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| 01:27.29 | Madkiss | hum, that seems interesting |
| 01:27.41 | Madkiss | Is it possible that the iBook has two IDE-Chipsets? |
| 01:28.28 | kimo_sabe | Madkiss: not likely |
| 01:29.05 | Madkiss | Well |
| 01:29.11 | Madkiss | ide0: Found Apple UniNorth ATA-6 controller, bus ID 3, irq 39 |
| 01:29.13 | Madkiss | ide1: Found Apple KeyLargo ATA-3 controller, bus ID 0, irq 24 |
| 01:29.40 | Madkiss | And I am still trying to find out why my burner only does 8x speed |
| 01:31.22 | kimo_sabe | Madkiss: that is it supposed to do? |
| 01:31.31 | Madkiss | It should do 24x. |
| 01:34.55 | kimo_sabe | not using an RW are you? |
| 01:35.09 | Madkiss | no |
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| 05:22.46 | fman | hey all |
| 05:32.50 | simonrvn | hi |
| 05:33.15 | fman | evening |
| 05:33.21 | fman | ok, got metamail sorted |
| 05:34.42 | skel_home | anyone with a dual usb 600mhz ibook I can steal a recent kernel config from? |
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| 13:29.58 | h01ger | hi - i'm trying to get bootsplash to work on an ibook g3 - but allways get the dmesg "bootsplash: error while decompressing picture: height mismatch (3)" - anybody got bootsplash working on ppc and point me to a working theme ? |
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| 14:00.35 | drbuehner | Hello. We are trying to install Debian on an iBook, but keep the existing OSX for dual boot. |
| 14:01.43 | drbuehner | I have an external USB disk, and already copied OSX to it using "SuperDuper" |
| 14:02.44 | drbuehner | Problem is, that it doesn't seem to be able to boot the copied system from the external disk. |
| 14:02.59 | drbuehner | Why? And what do you suggest instead? |
| 14:04.33 | dj-death | need you should first partition your drive |
| 14:04.47 | dj-death | then install osx |
| 14:04.47 | dj-death | and finally install debian |
| 14:04.49 | drbuehner | But how can I trust that the copied stuff will still work? |
| 14:05.17 | dj-death | hmmm |
| 14:05.46 | dj-death | I dont know if you can |
| 14:06.01 | dj-death | because osx boot sector will be deleted |
| 14:06.47 | dj-death | What I suggest is to save your /Users from osx to your external drive |
| 14:06.52 | dj-death | and reinstall osx |
| 14:07.14 | dj-death | then copy the saved stuff |
| 14:08.21 | johill | can't gnu parted nowadays shrink hfs+? |
| 14:09.18 | al_ | i don't know if you can boot from a usb disk |
| 14:09.25 | al_ | firewire is ok, but usb.. |
| 14:09.46 | drbuehner | Sorry, it is firewire, not usb. |
| 14:10.49 | johill | I think you can boot off usb tho |
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| 14:15.56 | two-face | Hi |
| 14:27.48 | Curalton | err. someone explain: http://files.macbidouille.com/transparent/pages/gallery_2_11_50737.html |
| 14:31.33 | johill | photoshop? |
| 14:32.02 | Curalton | yeh, seems someone with too much time and a camera |
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| 17:26.49 | Bor_Ed | "Supports AMD Opteron HE (55W) and EE (30W)" ... 'low power EBX SBC' :o |
| 17:27.09 | Bor_Ed | buggr my server takes ~40 watts for complete system at full load |
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| 17:31.40 | Curalton | err, thats ok |
| 17:38.00 | Madkiss | That's pretty interesting. The alsa snd-powermac drivers doe not work, but the apparently "old" powermac-dma-driver works perfectly |
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| 19:01.03 | Ubabe | hrm, some dangerous psycho nicks here on debianppc |
| 19:02.16 | Ubabe | Im using a distribution of Linux called Ubuntu, anyone cluey on it? I have it running on a bronze G3 laptop. |
| 19:02.30 | Darien | how cluey do you need? Ubuntu is basically Debian and then some |
| 19:02.47 | Ubabe | hello Darien |
| 19:02.55 | Ubabe | yeah coping okay with the then some |
| 19:03.22 | Ubabe | first distro thats detected my network card and self updated on its own during installation. |
| 19:03.27 | Darien | nod |
| 19:03.34 | Darien | the latest Debian CD does as well, on my powerbook |
| 19:03.42 | Darien | I hear Ubuntu is fantastic though |
| 19:03.53 | Ubabe | all im after though is a decent resource where i casn get some siftware to run on it. |
| 19:04.32 | Darien | like apt-get ? |
| 19:04.41 | Ubabe | Ubuntu is just so simple though, its on par with OSX, but less poular id imagine. Been running smoother than chunky OSX10.2 |
| 19:04.56 | Curalton | if you enable the "universe" and "multiverse" repostitories ubuntu should have most stuff debian has |
| 19:04.59 | Darien | depends on your machine I guess |
| 19:05.27 | Ubabe | siftware! sorry im not too cluey on this keyboard, SOFT-ware |
| 19:05.38 | Darien | hehe |
| 19:05.46 | Ubabe | im after a decent MP3 playing app, iTunes-ish, but not :) |
| 19:05.56 | Darien | amarok |
| 19:06.01 | Ubabe | that and a mixing application, then im set :) |
| 19:06.04 | Ubabe | amarok? |
| 19:06.09 | Darien | it's KDE though |
| 19:06.11 | Ubabe | hrm, will google it... |
| 19:06.14 | Darien | but it'll work anyway |
| 19:06.26 | Ubabe | kde? im on Gnome though :P |
| 19:06.59 | Ubabe | How do i distinguish between apps that will/wont run on my Linux PC machine? |
| 19:07.06 | Darien | they should all run |
| 19:07.07 | Ubabe | this is where i seem to be getting stuck |
| 19:07.11 | Darien | KDE apps will run in GNOME |
| 19:07.18 | Darien | they just integrate better with KDE |
| 19:07.20 | Darien | and vice-versa |
| 19:08.31 | Ubabe | ...even if im on a Linux PPC machine and not Linux 586 machine, for example (hooe im not loosing anyone here with my idle help bantering...) |
| 19:08.37 | Curalton | OT: "some dangerous psycho nicks here" <-- which e.g.? :) |
| 19:08.57 | Ubabe | heheh ello Curalton |
| 19:09.00 | Curalton | Ubabe: debian has the policy that everything has to compile on their... 10 or so archtectures |
| 19:09.03 | Ubabe | uzi, just below mine |
| 19:09.27 | Curalton | so everything you get via apt-get will run, it will not just put x86 stuff in |
| 19:09.36 | Curalton | heh |
| 19:11.19 | Ubabe | ...among others, AAAH! So in terminal, all i gotta go is type apt-get <name of the script> |
| 19:11.23 | Ubabe | then it should run?? |
| 19:11.55 | Ubabe | heh just jumped back tu Ubuntu Curalton, though the nick was familiar :) |
| 19:12.38 | Ubabe | though=thought |
| 19:12.42 | Curalton | apt-get install <name> |
| 19:12.42 | Curalton | but you can also do all this in synaptic |
| 19:12.58 | Ubabe | synaptic, this is one of the apps in Ubuntu? |
| 19:13.10 | Curalton | yes |
| 19:13.18 | Curalton | in the system menu about there^ |
| 19:13.30 | Curalton | probably has another name though >.< |
| 19:14.20 | Ubabe | Well im using Warty Warthog release, with all the updates etc. |
| 19:14.40 | Ubabe | but if i can learn to use Terminal, why not? :) |
| 19:15.51 | Curalton | ok, yeh never wrong |
| 19:16.26 | Curalton | and if you already like autocompletion via tab uncommend the bash_completion stuff at the end of /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 19:16.56 | Ubabe | erm getting ahead of me there! :P |
| 19:17.05 | Ubabe | autocompletion via tab? |
| 19:18.05 | Curalton | on the commandline type syna<tab> |
| 19:18.09 | Curalton | it will complete it |
| 19:19.10 | Ubabe | yeah yeah! |
| 19:19.16 | Ubabe | just did that |
| 19:19.35 | Ubabe | wow! that i didnt know |
| 19:19.52 | Curalton | by default it only completes filenames |
| 19:19.56 | Ubabe | aha |
| 19:20.12 | Curalton | but with the autocompletion you can also complete command options |
| 19:20.18 | Curalton | even package names in apt |
| 19:20.33 | Curalton | apt-get install apache<tab> will then list the apaches you can install |
| 19:20.46 | Curalton | e.g. apache apache2-mpm-perchild apache2-utils apache-perl |
| 19:20.47 | Ubabe | yep just typed man synaptic, read ing up now |
| 19:21.01 | Curalton | yes, manpages would be autocompleted too |
| 19:24.04 | Ubabe | curalton mate, mind me asking, what hardware do you run? PPC? x86? |
| 19:24.11 | Ubabe | i.e. PC or mac user? |
| 19:25.29 | Ubabe | Dont worry if ya nay wanna answer (chances are ya busy anyway) im gonna test this Synaptic Package Manager, and well see how things go :) |
| 19:27.15 | Curalton | running debian on an ibook g3 and a normal x86 box, setting up u/kubuntu for my grandmother atm too :) |
| 19:27.53 | Ubabe | ubuntu, is good :) |
| 19:28.08 | Curalton | yep, i agree |
| 19:28.21 | Curalton | still prefer the read thing for myself, more stuff to break and fix |
| 19:31.52 | Ubabe | hahah, its the breaking im kinda afraid of, im more for learning slowly and have fun and play music too :) |
| 19:32.16 | Ubabe | ironic i dont have an iPod yet, although if iTunes had a limit, i would have explodedit already :P |
| 19:33.07 | Curalton | breaking in debian/sid mostly happens because of untested packages. all the sid users to the forefront testing for the rest of the crowd so to speak ;) |
| 19:33.44 | Ubabe | tlking of packages |
| 19:33.45 | Curalton | if you keep your sources.list clean and dont throw in every url you find nothing should happen |
| 19:34.03 | Curalton | iTunes... naa ill stay away from that Digital Restriction Management |
| 19:34.16 | Ubabe | Synaptic Package Manager and Synaptic in Terminal: one in the same? |
| 19:34.38 | Curalton | yes |
| 19:34.44 | Ubabe | Digital Restriction?! hah i dont buy MP3s from them! LOL |
| 19:34.59 | Curalton | ah, ok :) |
| 19:35.04 | Ubabe | thats what Limewire's for ;) Anyway enough of that... |
| 19:35.16 | Curalton | heh |
| 19:35.21 | Ubabe | ...more about Synaptic, this package manager |
| 19:35.48 | Ubabe | ive unpacked the .tar.gz for the latest Firefox edition |
| 19:36.06 | Ubabe | www.firefox.com for Linux i686 (but Not PPC?! anyway) |
| 19:36.31 | Curalton | i686 wont run |
| 19:36.34 | Ubabe | ...now using Synaptic i should be able to effectively uupdate my current version of Firefox?? |
| 19:36.43 | Ubabe | ...AHA! I thought not |
| 19:36.46 | Curalton | yes, if they packaged it already |
| 19:37.02 | Ubabe | ...now which one do I need to use, and where can i get it from!? |
| 19:37.24 | Curalton | which package? search for firefox in ther |
| 19:37.40 | Curalton | did you add the "multi/universe" repositiory yet? |
| 19:37.48 | Ubabe | erm, nope |
| 19:38.15 | Ubabe | how do i do that? (warning newbie in progress!) |
| 19:38.40 | Curalton | err, tbh sorry. no idea, i usually edit the sources.list directly |
| 19:38.43 | Ubabe | with no disregard to your grandmother, imagine she were I using terminal Linux |
| 19:38.49 | Curalton | lol! |
| 19:38.53 | Curalton | no, ill set everything up |
| 19:39.06 | Curalton | its just email, internet, and later maybe some audio/video stuff |
| 19:39.12 | Curalton | no admin rights or anything |
| 19:39.49 | Ubabe | i know enough to get me by, jus not enough to get me outta troube so it seems... |
| 19:40.04 | Darien | I can't wait until I can get OS X on this thing |
| 19:40.07 | Ubabe | ...so effectively ive downloaded an .EXE for a Mac, right? |
| 19:40.22 | Curalton | Ubabe: hah, yes indeed :) |
| 19:40.30 | Ubabe | hahah, oh sad... |
| 19:40.31 | Darien | hehe |
| 19:40.39 | Darien | looks like a brand new PPC user :p |
| 19:40.53 | Curalton | Darien: did you read the ./ story about the new x.org features? |
| 19:41.06 | Darien | the wobbly windows, etc? |
| 19:41.12 | Ubabe | ...so where, lemme answer this qn myself, a-googlewacking i go! :P |
| 19:41.26 | Darien | PPC++ |
| 19:41.30 | Curalton | Darien: exactly :) |
| 19:41.39 | Darien | yeah, pretty neat |
| 19:41.47 | Darien | very OSX ;) |
| 19:41.52 | Curalton | yup :) |
| 19:41.59 | Curalton | and only half has hardware hungry |
| 19:42.07 | Curalton | ah, 1/10th |
| 19:42.15 | Ubabe | okay, gimme the lowdown though, im a new Linux PPC user, now without recompiling code etc, where can i find prefab Linux PPC applications?? |
| 19:42.16 | Darien | a guy I know had quicktime freak out while it was being genie-minimized in OSX |
| 19:42.26 | Darien | so it was stuck halfway through the genie effect and kept playing |
| 19:42.31 | Curalton | Ubabe: the prepackaged ubuntu stuff |
| 19:42.34 | Darien | Ubabe: in apt-get |
| 19:42.59 | Curalton | Darien: yeh, the "killall Dock.app" hack |
| 19:42.59 | Curalton | while you shift-minimize an app |
| 19:43.05 | Darien | Ubabe: let's put it this way: Debian has over 12,000 packages in the repository |
| 19:43.08 | Curalton | it will stay morphed and react |
| 19:43.11 | Darien | 99% of the time, you'll find what you want there |
| 19:43.24 | Curalton | $ grep ^Package: /var/lib/dpkg/available | wc -l |
| 19:43.25 | Curalton | 12669 |
| 19:43.28 | Darien | Curalton: yeah, I think his Dock crashed |
| 19:43.52 | Curalton | (^ that was a way of counting debians packages btw :) |
| 19:43.53 | Darien | dan@paris:~$ apt-cache stats |
| 19:43.54 | Darien | Total Package Names : 19637 (785k) |
| 19:43.54 | Darien | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:44.01 | Curalton | Darien: haxx! |
| 19:44.03 | Ubabe | Its a pretty big list if stuff though, kinda looks like the old Extension Manager for macOS Classic, would I be right/OH GOD NO/kinda maybe about tht one? |
| 19:44.05 | Darien | (that was an easier way) ;) |
| 19:44.15 | Darien | Ubabe: not really, no |
| 19:44.24 | Ubabe | aha |
| 19:44.27 | Darien | it's all applications that you can download and install |
| 19:44.38 | Darien | window managers, office apps, MP3 players, server software |
| 19:44.50 | Ubabe | download?! its a program resource too?? cool! Will keep prodding Synaptic :) |
| 19:44.58 | Darien | yes |
| 19:45.31 | Darien | think of it like a gigantic, internet-based Software, etc. for open-source software, but without having to pay, deal with idiot salespeople, or even leave the house |
| 19:45.45 | Curalton | ian murdock had quite a farsight while designing apt etc. |
| 19:45.56 | Ubabe | ya could say though that in the ability to uninstall stuff its kiiinda like the extension manager though, yeah, or am i still off track...? |
| 19:45.59 | Darien | well dpkg lends itself so well |
| 19:46.05 | Curalton | or deal with stupid installers running fullscreen blogging everything down |
| 19:46.14 | Darien | Ubabe: you're relating apt to something almost similar, but staggeringly inferior |
| 19:46.34 | Darien | the extension manager just enables/disables extensions on your OS9 machine |
| 19:46.37 | Curalton | Ubabe: does fink on os x say something to you? |
| 19:46.39 | Ubabe | heheh, sorry, newbie of Linux but veteran of IRC here :P |
| 19:47.00 | Darien | apt is a complete installation/upgrade/configuration/removal system |
| 19:48.28 | Darien | I suppose a graphical installer would look quite similar |
| 19:48.41 | Darien | so think of it like an extension manager that gets extensions from the internet if you choose to install them |
| 19:48.49 | Darien | only for applications instead of extensions |
| 19:49.10 | Ubabe | okay ive found Firefox in Synaptic, but i can't mark it for upgrade (?!) |
| 19:49.14 | Ubabe | fink on OSX...? |
| 19:49.20 | Darien | never used fink? |
| 19:49.27 | Curalton | nm, its an "apt" port to OSX |
| 19:49.28 | Ubabe | Man! Now ive proven myself to be an OSX newbie! :P |
| 19:49.29 | Darien | Ubabe: can you mark it for installation? |
| 19:49.32 | Darien | haha |
| 19:49.36 | Ubabe | never had to! |
| 19:49.45 | Darien | let's start from the start |
| 19:49.51 | Darien | step one, power button :p |
| 19:49.57 | Ubabe | although once i get VNC working and logged on ill give it a go from here :) |
| 19:49.59 | Ubabe | LOL |
| 19:50.03 | Ubabe | yeah thats me dude :) |
| 19:50.07 | Darien | this is why I'm looking forward to OS X - it'll be a learning-from-scratch experience |
| 19:50.42 | Darien | I haven't had a chance to learn something new and unfamiliar for seven years (when I started using Debian) |
| 19:51.42 | Ubabe | well thats why ive opted for jumping in cold turkey into a decent distro of Debian (enter Ubuntu) to learn Linux then jumping back into the luke warm waters of OSX when i feel proficient enough to Save my own Soul in Lunux, make sense? |
| 19:52.01 | Ubabe | Lunux=Linux |
| 19:52.36 | Curalton | Darien: OS X sucks |
| 19:52.39 | Curalton | nothing to "do" |
| 19:52.48 | Curalton | just sits there and wants you to be productive |
| 19:53.01 | Curalton | ok, the eyecandy is catchy :) |
| 19:53.02 | Ubabe | haha! i know, for "pull-aparters" like yourself i can see why :) |
| 19:53.06 | Ubabe | oh yes :) |
| 19:53.33 | Ubabe | the eyecandy needs a decent processor to run it though |
| 19:53.47 | Curalton | well, i managed to break OS X a few times, had to use single user mode etc. |
| 19:53.58 | Ubabe | Ubuntu seems to be running like a charm given how old this laptop is now :) |
| 19:53.58 | Curalton | GPU |
| 19:55.37 | Curalton | and OS X 10.3 even comes with bash and not the godawful tcsh per default |
| 19:56.10 | Curalton | but just as debian its /etc/inputrc is totall screwed, pageup doesnt do historymaching (same in ubuntu btw :/) |
| 19:56.38 | Piru | isn't there #ubuntu or something? |
| 19:56.44 | *** part/#debianppc Piru (p@adsl-254-133.kymp.net) |
| 19:56.47 | Curalton | hah |
| 19:57.13 | Ubabe | i found ya fink, incredible stuff, if only i knew terminal that good! :P |
| 19:57.15 | Ubabe | http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/unix_open_source/fink.html |
| 19:57.53 | Curalton | err, fink has a gui |
| 19:58.07 | Curalton | like synaptic, else they woudn't dare publishing this for OS X |
| 19:58.36 | Ubabe | heh, noted, although the website shows a terminal kinda gui, did you see the link? |
| 19:58.52 | Darien | hey, dselect |
| 19:58.58 | Darien | what a classic |
| 19:59.00 | Darien | <3 |
| 19:59.05 | Curalton | ewwww |
| 19:59.11 | Darien | oldschool |
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| 19:59.26 | Darien | doesn't work as well as apt though |
| 19:59.30 | Curalton | dselect a.k.a. "install random shit on my system" and that is an actual quote from this channel! |
| 19:59.37 | Darien | yes |
| 19:59.45 | Darien | it's exciting |
| 20:00.02 | Darien | you never know what new software you'll have the next day |
| 20:01.12 | Curalton | rofl, right. i always to apt-get dist-upgrade --verbose-versions to see what exactly i should remove before proceeding |
| 20:01.23 | Darien | ehe |
| 20:01.34 | Darien | it's true |
| 20:03.01 | Darien | I wonder if there are any good graphical apt frontends yet |
| 20:03.16 | Ubabe | panick attack! Synaptic Package manager has chucked a wobbly! :-o |
| 20:03.18 | Curalton | synaptic? |
| 20:03.28 | Ubabe | wtf: "Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)" |
| 20:03.36 | Ubabe | all was going so well! :P |
| 20:03.38 | Curalton | Ubabe: you have apt open on the commandline somewhere |
| 20:03.44 | Curalton | Ubabe: or a 2nd synaptic instance |
| 20:04.05 | Darien | already installed, nice |
| 20:04.15 | Ubabe | hahah |
| 20:04.27 | Ubabe | aaah man me is tick as pig smeg... |
| 20:04.53 | Ubabe | ...ynow those 4 boxes on my corner screen...bottom right? LOL |
| 20:04.59 | Darien | ah |
| 20:05.02 | Darien | the pager |
| 20:05.16 | Curalton | multiple desktops. |
| 20:05.26 | Ubabe | I was going AAAH! No! my stuffs gone! I feel like a windows 3.1.1 users meets Win XP! :P |
| 20:05.47 | Darien | haha |
| 20:06.26 | Curalton | the old X11 aproach to desktop clutter. OS Xs exposé is nice too but not usefull for the 6 vdesktops i have here |
| 20:06.52 | Ubabe | expose, eeh! |
| 20:07.03 | Ubabe | never used it/had to use it :P |
| 20:07.11 | Darien | I know I will |
| 20:07.19 | Darien | ubabe, send me your OS X CDs :p |
| 20:07.27 | Curalton | lol |
| 20:07.45 | Ubabe | anyway i just did a search for netscape, nothing came up trumps in Synaptic Package Manager |
| 20:08.04 | Curalton | Ubabe: netscape is just x86, use firefox/mozilla, same deal |
| 20:08.05 | Ubabe | ...erm my OSX 10.3 server CD's or just my OSX 10.3 standerd ed ones ;) |
| 20:08.38 | Darien | hehe |
| 20:08.39 | Darien | both :p |
| 20:08.55 | Curalton | na, Darwin cant match linux in performance |
| 20:09.06 | Ubabe | I see, but im guessing that the latest edition for firefox only goes up to version 0.9.3, right? |
| 20:09.08 | Curalton | no use as a server |
| 20:09.21 | Ubabe | hahahah! Works andy for me dude! :D |
| 20:09.26 | Ubabe | web server anyhow ;) |
| 20:09.28 | Darien | Ubabe: I have 1.0.1 installed |
| 20:09.35 | Curalton | Ubabe: 1.0 should be in there somewhere, else you have your sources.list messy |
| 20:09.48 | Ubabe | Darien, and you use Ubuntu PPC? or debian PPC?? |
| 20:10.14 | Darien | Debian-PPC |
| 20:11.21 | Ubabe | i can mark it (Firefox) for complete reinstall/removal/complete removal but not for upgrade |
| 20:11.40 | Curalton | ah, then the firefox maintainer was lazy again |
| 20:11.49 | Darien | I wonder if Fedora provides their bastardized, half-blind stunted cock-up for PPC too |
| 20:12.05 | Curalton | hah, yellowdog would be pissed |
| 20:12.14 | Darien | ? |
| 20:12.36 | Curalton | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:12.51 | Curalton | Darien: ydog is basically rh/fedora polished for ppc |
| 20:13.05 | Ubabe | couldnt i right click and mark it for reinstallation?? hoping it will update itself?? |
| 20:13.06 | Darien | ah |
| 20:13.43 | Darien | Curalton: I wonder if they ever feel guilty for taking a perfectly good kernel and wrapping it with a bastardized, user-hating braindead userspace |
| 20:13.47 | Ubabe | i can have language locales, but none for the application itself. |
| 20:14.19 | Curalton | Darien: rofl, suse does just the opposite, patched to hell and back kernel onto a real nice userspace |
| 20:14.26 | Darien | yeah, I noticed that |
| 20:14.34 | Curalton | that way why i finally came for kubuntu |
| 20:14.44 | Curalton | suse kernel couldnt get eth0 to work |
| 20:14.50 | Curalton | no problems with a sane kernel |
| 20:14.57 | Darien | unless you're dealing with Novell Desktop Linux, which is a beautiful userspace, patched kernel, and an incomprehensible configuration interface |
| 20:15.13 | Curalton | suse 9.2 here |
| 20:15.22 | Darien | I hear that's really good |
| 20:15.38 | Curalton | nope, or i hit the one problem of it |
| 20:15.47 | Darien | probably |
| 20:15.56 | Darien | I haven't heard anyone say it's better than Debian though |
| 20:15.58 | Ubabe | erm, now im confused, if Synaptic Package manager is now, useless, how do i update Firefox?? |
| 20:16.02 | Curalton | Ubabe: synaptic should list what is installed and what can be updated |
| 20:16.03 | Darien | useless? |
| 20:16.19 | Ubabe | well not useful atm :) |
| 20:16.26 | Darien | Ubabe: it might be automatically marked for update |
| 20:16.27 | Curalton | the installed/latest version column |
| 20:16.56 | Curalton | Ubabe: and stuff like firefox hat to be "packaged" first, so it takes some time before it is n debian/ubuntu |
| 20:17.05 | Darien | Synaptic is nice I guess |
| 20:17.18 | Darien | but I still prefer command-line |
| 20:17.20 | Darien | it's just faster |
| 20:17.23 | Curalton | yup |
| 20:17.44 | Curalton | im again drowning in aterm atm |
| 20:18.31 | Darien | I'm going to update to unstable |
| 20:18.32 | Ubabe | ive decided to just download and install plain old mozilla :) |
| 20:18.47 | Darien | because that's just the kind of guy I am |
| 20:18.54 | Ubabe | is that gonna change how forefox works though, or are they one on the same?? |
| 20:19.13 | Darien | they're different |
| 20:19.16 | Ubabe | sorry im in typo-heaven here! |
| 20:19.17 | Ubabe | aha |
| 20:19.18 | Darien | hehe |
| 20:19.24 | Ubabe | difference being? |
| 20:20.22 | Darien | mozilla is the whole suite |
| 20:20.30 | Darien | mailer-browser-composer |
| 20:20.32 | Ubabe | hey MAN! Check it! Its freakin Netscape! :D |
| 20:20.35 | Darien | firefox is just the browser |
| 20:20.55 | Ubabe | aaaah i see Communicator in stead of just navigator, yeah? |
| 20:20.58 | Darien | 386 upgraded, 15 newly installed, 3 to remove and 2 not upgraded. |
| 20:20.58 | Darien | Need to get 326MB/329MB of archives. |
| 20:20.58 | Darien | After unpacking 18.3MB of additional disk space will be used. |
| 20:21.05 | Darien | god help me |
| 20:21.08 | Ubabe | lol |
| 20:21.11 | Darien | Ubabe: yep, essentially |
| 20:21.52 | Darien | '...and the satanists are still slightly closer to God than the scientologists...' |
| 20:24.16 | Ubabe | Terminal Output: You have successfully applied all changes. You can close the window now |
| 20:24.17 | Curalton | rofl Darien :) |
| 20:24.38 | Ubabe | its as if Termina instinctively KNOWS how thick i am! Wow! :D |
| 20:24.41 | Curalton | hmm, there must a an ircclient on linux with builtin mod_speling |
| 20:25.17 | Darien | Yahoo sent me a message to my MSN account |
| 20:25.23 | Darien | this is weird |
| 20:27.27 | Ubabe | Myabe your accounts are having a chat :) |
| 20:27.48 | Darien | I think it's tinfoil hat time |
| 20:27.55 | Ubabe | LOL |
| 20:28.17 | Ubabe | Its 6am in Australia, and im tired, leave me be! :P |
| 20:31.05 | Darien | the downside of Linux-PPC is you'll miss out on a lot of stuff that's normally binary-only |
| 20:31.11 | Darien | like nvidia drivers or the flash plugin |
| 20:35.30 | pahartik | Darien: proper solution is not to buy devices that depend on such drivers |
| 20:36.12 | Ubabe | well all im after now is my Java plugin, and for the rest i hope the hardware i already have works :P |
| 20:37.21 | Ubabe | ill be back, thanks for all ya help so far people :) |
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| 20:37.39 | Ubabe | loggin off for now, l8r and thanks again :) |
| 20:37.50 | Darien | pahartik: not necessarily an option, e.g. my powerbook has an nvidia graphics card whether I like it or not |
| 20:39.24 | uzi | Curalton: hahah |
| 20:39.34 | uzi | my nick is a "dangerous psycho nick?" |
| 20:39.44 | uzi | do a /whois on me and you'll see why my nick is what it is |
| 20:39.56 | pahartik | Darien: if iBook G4 computers were based on NVidia, i would have looked for something else |
| 20:40.11 | pahartik | Darien: ...based on NVidia graphics adapter... |
| 20:45.30 | Darien | I don't have an iBook |
| 20:45.52 | Darien | anyway, I bought this because it was inexpensive |
| 20:47.29 | pahartik | Darien: i got iBook G4 because i was able to afford it... and it gives me freedom to get out and wander around |
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| 20:50.41 | Curalton | uzi: heh, not my quote 21:00 < Ubabe> hrm, some dangerous psycho nicks here on debianppc |
| 20:51.07 | Darien | I got my powerbook because I want OS X ;) |
| 20:51.13 | uzi | Curalton: ahh yes |
| 20:51.43 | Curalton | pahartik: but no wlan while wandering |
| 20:53.50 | pahartik | Curalton: GPRS over Bluetooth instead... no Bluetooth access point yet, but maybe soon... |
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| 20:56.03 | Ubabe | bioterror! Now theres another scarry nick! :-O |
| 20:58.00 | bioterror | what? :D |
| 20:58.10 | uzi | oy vey |
| 20:58.24 | uzi | Ubabe: do a /whois on me |
| 20:58.29 | uzi | Ubabe: it will explain all |
| 20:58.42 | uzi | I don't know what bioterror's excuse is :) |
| 20:58.42 | bioterror | uzi, you get lots of Uzi jokes? |
| 20:58.53 | bioterror | uzi, I'm a petomaniac :D |
| 20:58.58 | uzi | bioterror: mostly ones saying that I have a 9mm pecker |
| 20:59.46 | uzi | heh |
| 20:59.59 | bioterror | Joseph Pujol is my idol =D |
| 21:01.06 | uzi | ahh, Le Petomane |
| 21:03.02 | Curalton | rofl uzi |
| 21:03.05 | Curalton | err, Ubabe |
| 21:03.34 | Curalton | bioterror: 21:00 < Ubabe> hrm, some dangerous psycho |
| 21:03.41 | Curalton | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:03.46 | Curalton | ah, damn newlines |
| 21:06.05 | Darien | does anyone know any DVI-to-svideo converters? |
| 21:06.17 | Darien | I might have to just buy a media centre PC I think |
| 21:07.31 | uzi | Darien: doesn't apple have one? |
| 21:07.42 | uzi | I thought I saw one as an accessory for the mini |
| 21:08.11 | Darien | hmm |
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| 21:09.24 | Darien | nope |
| 21:09.37 | Darien | now I need to figure out how to connect this DVI port to my powerbook |
| 21:11.10 | Ubabe | how do i do a whois again? i used to have a client on my mac called Ircle, the command used to be reset to a button. |
| 21:11.53 | uzi | Ubabe: /whois uzi |
| 21:11.55 | Darien | ! |
| 21:12.10 | Darien | this model came with a Mini-DVI-to-DVI adapter |
| 21:12.22 | uzi | Darien: that's common |
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| 21:13.21 | Darien | uzi: yeah, but that means I have to pay for one :p |
| 21:14.08 | Ubabe | wierd Uzi, nothing came up! :P |
| 21:14.21 | darien2 | Ubabe, its probably in your server window |
| 21:14.25 | darien2 | hit alt-1 and see if it's there |
| 21:14.54 | Ubabe | ...hrm, is your name maybe, Uzeil Galal inventor of the weapon of choise of the 1960's battle of Sinai? |
| 21:15.26 | Ubabe | aha, founf the list heh |
| 21:16.05 | Ubabe | ...so maybe you know a person I know from the Golan heights, do you know a Dave, Uzi? |
| 21:16.07 | darien2 | or Norman Cook, creator of the popular song 'Weapon of Choice' ? |
| 21:16.13 | Ubabe | heheh |
| 21:16.17 | darien2 | I know a Dave |
| 21:16.23 | Ubabe | yeah maybe Norman Cook :D |
| 21:16.34 | Ubabe | Dave from #Mac on oz.org? |
| 21:16.40 | darien2 | only Jerusalem and Ein Gedi |
| 21:16.49 | Ubabe | i see :) |
| 21:16.54 | uzi | Ubabe: hahah |
| 21:16.59 | darien2 | no, Dave from clockmedia in Montreal |
| 21:17.12 | Ubabe | I wanna do a tour of the Middle east one day, kind of a pie in the sky given Uni though :P |
| 21:17.13 | uzi | Ubabe: His name was "Uziel Gal"... mine is "Joshua Uziel" |
| 21:17.45 | Ubabe | so the surnames the same as his first name |
| 21:17.55 | Ubabe | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:17.57 | Darien | so I need the $20 mini-DVI-to-S-Video adapter |
| 21:18.00 | Darien | and I'm set |
| 21:18.09 | uzi | Ubabe: sure |
| 21:18.15 | Ubabe | cool :) |
| 21:18.17 | uzi | Ubabe: my dad was in the israeli army |
| 21:18.18 | Darien | Ubabe: I think you're kind of reaching at this point |
| 21:18.25 | uzi | Ubabe: he carried an uzi at the time |
| 21:18.45 | uzi | Ubabe: also, his name is "Moshe" -- very common there... so it was easier to call him "uzi" than "moshe" |
| 21:18.45 | Darien | a lot of my friends were in the Israeli army, but they all got office jobs |
| 21:19.02 | Ubabe | aha! Did he know Uzeil, who originally had a German name, hrm lemme see if the web serves me well... |
| 21:19.35 | uzi | Ubabe: btw, I've only handled a real gun once in my life... some friends took me to a shooting range |
| 21:20.18 | Darien | you're not missing much |
| 21:20.34 | uzi | yeah, I know :) |
| 21:20.45 | uzi | we're not really into gun here in california |
| 21:21.21 | Darien | nor in Canada |
| 21:21.32 | Ubabe | heheh |
| 21:21.49 | Ubabe | i see, well dudes, thanks heps for ya command line help so far |
| 21:22.03 | Darien | let's see if this works as advertised |
| 21:22.19 | Darien | nope |
| 21:33.56 | Ubabe | ive figured out this multiverse dribble! woohoo! :D |
| 21:41.05 | Darien | yay |
| 21:42.24 | Madkiss | Uhm, might be good to ask now. Does anyone else have problems with the snd-powermac ALSA-driver on a modern iBook? |
| 21:42.52 | darien2 | running a 12" PB, no sound problems here, but using the stock Debian kernel |
| 21:44.35 | Madkiss | -sigh- |
| 21:44.45 | Madkiss | Which version? |
| 21:44.53 | darien2 | which kernel version or PB version? |
| 21:44.58 | darien2 | Linux paris 2.6.8-powerpc #1 Thu Feb 24 14:15:19 CET 2005 ppc GNU/Linux |
| 21:45.09 | Madkiss | aww, that kernel that's older than my mother |
| 21:45.26 | darien2 | oh, I am SO tempted to make a 'your mother' joke |
| 21:45.43 | Madkiss | Better keep it for you -cough- |
| 21:45.51 | darien2 | it was a good one too |
| 21:45.52 | darien2 | oh well |
| 21:46.07 | Ubabe | after running apt-get update, would I need to reboot? |
| 21:46.14 | darien2 | nope |
| 21:46.15 | Madkiss | err, why? |
| 21:46.38 | Madkiss | darien2: Where did you get the alsa-stuff from? Or is that included? Wait, it's included ... -sigh- |
| 21:46.50 | Ubabe | wierd, ive run apt-get update, abd both times ive gotten the following: |
| 21:46.54 | darien2 | included :D |
| 21:48.05 | Ubabe | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
| 21:48.06 | Ubabe | E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead. |
| 21:51.24 | Ubabe | confused, as now i try running sudo apt-get install acroread |
| 21:51.29 | Ubabe | and i keep getting errors |
| 21:52.21 | darien2 | nod |
| 21:52.26 | darien2 | do an update |
| 21:52.28 | Madkiss | darien2: You are right. The standard 2.6.8 has alsa perfectly working. |
| 21:52.36 | darien2 | sometimes packages end up in the list, but not on the mirrors |
| 21:52.54 | darien2 | Madkiss, I am going to grab the latest kernel from the Debian mirrors and upgrade |
| 21:53.04 | darien2 | the last kernel I built didn't have keyboard support for some reason >.< |
| 22:00.46 | Ubabe | darien2, by do an update, how you mean? |
| 22:01.30 | Ubabe | apt-get, or just an entire upgrade?? |
| 22:01.56 | Darien | ust 'apt-get update' |
| 22:01.58 | Darien | and that's it |
| 22:02.04 | Darien | it'll fetch the latest versions of the package information |
| 22:02.09 | Darien | or do the same thing in synaptic |
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| 22:08.23 | Ubabe | Darien: are the repositories the same as for x86 machines as for ppc? |
| 22:08.33 | Darien | Ubabe: pretty much, yeah |
| 22:08.45 | Darien | I'm using the same sources.list as I am on my P4 servers |
| 22:08.51 | Ubabe | i copied mine straight from here: |
| 22:08.54 | Ubabe | http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories |
| 22:09.13 | Ubabe | could ya check for us, this is the list, maybe its old, i dunno... |
| 22:09.20 | Darien | I have no idea, I don't use ubuntu |
| 22:09.25 | Ubabe | aha |
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