| 00:00.45 | Curalton | fluffy_wolf: wikipedia? |
| 00:06.48 | fluffy_wolf | Curalton: "Hentai () is a Japanese word used outside of Japan, mostly in western countries and several English-speaking countries, to refer to Japanese animation ("H anime"), comic-book-style magazines ("H manga"), and computer games ("bishjo games", hentai games) with explicit sexual or pornographic artwork (see Japanese pornography)." |
| 00:07.01 | Curalton | fluffy_wolf: yeh, i read it already |
| 00:09.25 | skel_home | Hentai: so you're sexually explicit artwork? |
| 00:09.30 | dj-death | could someone tell me how install xorg ubuntu pkg on debian ? |
| 00:09.52 | Curalton | dj-death: iirc there are howtos arround |
| 00:10.07 | skel_home | Curalton: =] |
| 00:10.23 | skel_home | Curalton: do you have an older ibook dual usb g3 ? |
| 00:10.31 | Curalton | yes :) |
| 00:10.43 | skel_home | Curalton: can I steal you kernel config? =D |
| 00:10.56 | skel_home | my ibook crashed and I lost everything on it =/ |
| 00:11.26 | Curalton | heh, sure. but afaik the default kernel should work nicely by now |
| 00:11.42 | skel_home | everythink works quite well except suspend |
| 00:11.57 | skel_home | *thing |
| 00:11.59 | skel_home | =P |
| 00:12.08 | skel_home | maybe it's pmud |
| 00:12.14 | dj-death | and is there someone using xorg pkg from ubuntu on debian, on an ibook G4 here ? |
| 00:12.14 | Curalton | http://www.stud.uni-goettingen.de/~s286075/2.6.6-ppc-ibook.config |
| 00:12.31 | skel_home | Curalton: awesome, ty sir =] |
| 00:12.41 | skel_home | Curalton: do you use pmud or pbbuttonsd? |
| 00:12.57 | Curalton | pbbuttonsd, its a lot better afaiheard |
| 00:13.08 | skel_home | ok I'll switch that |
| 00:13.34 | Hentai | www.wikipedia.org |
| 00:14.36 | Hentai | no skel_home |
| 00:14.41 | Hentai | look further down |
| 00:23.58 | fluffy_wolf | abnormality? :) |
| 00:25.26 | Hentai | yeah w\e |
| 00:26.40 | fluffy_wolf | ? |
| 00:45.00 | Hentai | does anyone have expernice here with quik |
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| 00:55.42 | skel_home | hmm |
| 00:55.57 | skel_home | pbbuttonsd doesn't work either.. maybe a newer kernel will |
| 00:56.10 | skel_home | anyone have difficulty with suspend on a g3 ibook? |
| 01:10.21 | Hentai | so anyone use quik here? |
| 01:11.06 | Curalton | g3 should be totally smooth |
| 01:16.58 | fluffy_wolf | mrrf! got my stylus photo 750 working today, and did a test print on premium photo paper... shiny. very shiny. :) |
| 01:17.22 | fluffy_wolf | have I mentioned how much better gimp-print is than the windoze drivers? |
| 01:20.58 | fluffy_wolf | speaking of printing... I still can't get my designjet 230 to work. blah. |
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| 01:58.45 | Hentai | anyone know where to get debian stable with the 2.2.20 kernel ? |
| 01:59.33 | fluffy_wolf | a museum? |
| 02:00.38 | Hentai | I'm not kidding |
| 02:01.54 | fluffy_wolf | seems you should be able to just specify the release you want in your sources.list... |
| 02:02.06 | fluffy_wolf | why not a 2.4/2.6 kernel? |
| 02:03.18 | Hentai | oldschool mac |
| 02:03.28 | Hentai | I need 2.2.20 to be on the safe side |
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| 02:25.34 | skel_home | yeah 2.2.20 so you'll be more vulnerable |
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| 02:45.52 | fluffy_wolf | are there any good schematic design programs for linux anymore? oregano was great, but they killed it... |
| 02:46.55 | Hentai | skel_home you don't understabd |
| 02:47.00 | Hentai | understand |
| 02:57.21 | fluffy_wolf | "recoverjpeg - Recover jpeg pictures from a filesystem image" hrrm. for fixing damaged digital camera cards, or for restoring porn after your spouse deletes it? :P |
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| 03:59.55 | Hentai | anyone have expernice with quik here? |
| 04:03.54 | assassin | I hear it's a bitch... |
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| 04:09.12 | Hentai | nice assassin |
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| 05:07.55 | drewcore | crazy question guys... |
| 05:08.34 | drewcore | i've got an oldword ppc that when it boots, the screen goes crazy because i'm using an adapter to hook it up to a CRT monitor |
| 05:08.39 | fluffy_wolf | it's ok; we'll give crazy answers. |
| 05:08.58 | drewcore | i was wondering though if id be albe to set up x so that i can use it with that adapter |
| 05:09.23 | Hentai | what bootloader you using drewcore? |
| 05:09.37 | fluffy_wolf | hrmm. out-of-range scan frequencies, perhaps? |
| 05:09.50 | drewcore | lemme check real quick... i have to telnet into the badboy to access it |
| 05:10.05 | Hentai | hmm |
| 05:10.10 | Hentai | telnet ehh |
| 05:10.16 | Hentai | maybe I can do that to mine |
| 05:10.35 | fluffy_wolf | telnet? hopefully you mean ssh? :) |
| 05:11.24 | drewcore | well, not i feel like an idiot cause i can figure out what bootloader it is... |
| 05:11.25 | Hentai | nope I can't do that |
| 05:11.39 | Hentai | was it quik? |
| 05:11.42 | Hentai | or bootx |
| 05:12.15 | drewcore | i got somethin on whereis for quik.. but nothing for bootx |
| 05:12.18 | drewcore | so i'd say quik |
| 05:12.21 | Hentai | ok |
| 05:12.25 | Hentai | what type of mac? |
| 05:12.44 | fluffy_wolf | funky. the difference between 1% and 100% cpu load on my box is 8% of 1250VA. that's a lot of heat. |
| 05:12.52 | drewcore | powermac 9500/122 |
| 05:12.57 | Hentai | oh ok |
| 05:12.58 | drewcore | 132, rather |
| 05:13.01 | fluffy_wolf | UPS monitor goes from 41% to 49% when I run up the cpu usage. |
| 05:13.04 | Hentai | thanks drewcore |
| 05:13.14 | Hentai | oh well |
| 05:13.32 | drewcore | why oh well hentai |
| 05:13.44 | Hentai | have a umax c600 |
| 05:13.47 | fluffy_wolf | he's hoping you can help him with his problem. :) |
| 05:13.52 | Hentai | trying to get debian on it |
| 05:13.57 | drewcore | oh |
| 05:14.14 | Hentai | not like I can do anything else |
| 05:14.20 | Hentai | well |
| 05:14.32 | Hentai | time to look for PPC pcs for windows NT 4 |
| 05:14.33 | Hentai | bbl |
| 05:14.36 | Hentai | err |
| 05:14.37 | Hentai | nevermind |
| 05:14.45 | drewcore | fluffy... you think youve got insight into my problem |
| 05:14.58 | Hentai | and now I can't zap my pram |
| 05:15.05 | Hentai | so I'm fubared for a while |
| 05:15.10 | fluffy_wolf | drewcore: my only guess would be X is trying to use scan rates outside what your monitor can handle. |
| 05:15.53 | fluffy_wolf | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:15.53 | fluffy_wolf | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:15.54 | drewcore | oh wait... i've misled you a bit... it swittches video modes during bootup (like debian does) and when that happens, the screen goes haywire |
| 05:15.59 | fluffy_wolf | try changing those in your XF86Config |
| 05:16.08 | fluffy_wolf | hrmm. |
| 05:16.15 | fluffy_wolf | I thought you were only talking about X. :) |
| 05:16.33 | drewcore | no... i just want to be able to access the machine with it's own keyboard and monitor |
| 05:16.59 | drewcore | i've been administering it "remotely" (it's in the same room as this box) since i installed debian |
| 05:17.03 | fluffy_wolf | dunno then... my knowledge of ppc kernel graphics isn't nearly good enough to know where to start on that. |
| 05:17.26 | drewcore | someone said something about an option like nfnotext or something like that |
| 05:17.40 | drewcore | but my x crashed on this piece then so i ost what they said |
| 05:17.52 | fluffy_wolf | dunno |
| 05:18.03 | fluffy_wolf | I'm really not the best to ask. :) |
| 05:18.13 | drewcore | at least you tried |
| 05:18.32 | fluffy_wolf | you can try making X fix it, and just always use X. :) |
| 05:18.51 | drewcore | i wonder if i had correctly configured x files and started x maybe it would work? |
| 05:19.06 | drewcore | even though i'd have an effed up screen during boot |
| 05:19.06 | fluffy_wolf | that's what I just suggested. :) |
| 05:19.17 | drewcore | how likely do you think that is? |
| 05:19.30 | fluffy_wolf | no clue. I don't even know what's wrong. |
| 05:19.40 | drewcore | me either |
| 05:19.51 | fluffy_wolf | what type of monitor are you using, and how is the screen "crazy"? |
| 05:19.57 | drewcore | oh well... at least i'll have a hobby for the next week or so |
| 05:20.37 | fluffy_wolf | see quote about linux on ppc being a never-ending iq test. :) |
| 05:21.01 | drewcore | :) |
| 05:21.30 | drewcore | well, google here i come |
| 05:21.43 | fluffy_wolf | heh |
| 05:21.58 | fluffy_wolf | what monitor and what does it do? |
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| 05:22.57 | drewcore | it's a compaq monitor... it works for the first 15-30 seconds of bootup, the debian changes video modes to show tux and smaller text. that's when the screen gets all contorted |
| 05:23.57 | Hentai | drewcore you have another video card in the machine? |
| 05:24.20 | drewcore | no, its the one that came standard (i assume) |
| 05:24.33 | fluffy_wolf | try another/fancier monitor |
| 05:24.35 | Hentai | when I was booting my machine with the floppy on my one vid card I would see it booting then it would change from tux to some messed up one |
| 05:24.39 | Hentai | after that |
| 05:24.56 | Hentai | I wnat back to my builtin video card and it work correctly |
| 05:25.04 | Hentai | I could see linux boot up |
| 05:25.17 | Hentai | though after I installed linux I can't see crap |
| 05:25.32 | Hentai | I think its outputting video to serial port |
| 05:25.45 | drewcore | thats wierd. |
| 05:25.51 | Hentai | yeah |
| 05:25.52 | drewcore | i'm just using the builtin card. |
| 05:26.02 | Hentai | + I'm not that smart in this thing |
| 05:26.11 | Hentai | this is my first mac ppc |
| 05:26.19 | drewcore | but i've gotta use this adapter cause i cant get my hands on a mac monitor |
| 05:26.28 | Hentai | same here drewcore |
| 05:26.36 | Hentai | have a adapter to |
| 05:26.50 | Hentai | so it shows tux when booting |
| 05:26.56 | Hentai | sitting by a puter |
| 05:27.10 | Hentai | then it changes and messes up I presume |
| 05:27.20 | drewcore | then it gets kinda twisted and stuff |
| 05:27.28 | Hentai | it still working though? |
| 05:27.47 | drewcore | yeah, ive been using it as a webserver for months |
| 05:27.53 | drewcore | just no physical access to the machine |
| 05:28.20 | Hentai | k |
| 05:28.23 | Hentai | odd |
| 05:28.31 | Hentai | quik right |
| 05:28.33 | fluffy_wolf | 2005-03-29 04:56:31 H=pim-120-61.flowgomail2.com [206.81.120.61] F=<mailcenter3454329@flowgomail2.com> rejected RCPT <betheny@huggles.org>: Unrouteable address |
| 05:28.42 | fluffy_wolf | too many spammers trying to poke at my mail server |
| 05:29.07 | drewcore | i wish i could remember that command or option or whatever... |
| 05:29.10 | drewcore | crap |
| 05:29.30 | Hentai | drewcore |
| 05:29.31 | Hentai | PowerMac 9500 (120,132MHz) 1.0.5 Requires special: output-device /ATY,mach64 |
| 05:29.32 | Hentai | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:29.43 | Hentai | http://penguinppc.org/bootloaders/quik/quirks.php |
| 05:30.41 | drewcore | checkin it out now |
| 05:31.32 | drewcore | hmm thanks |
| 05:31.36 | Hentai | np |
| 05:32.00 | Hentai | http://penguinppc.org/bootloaders/quik/defaults.php |
| 05:32.12 | Hentai | I screwed up my mac |
| 05:32.15 | Hentai | get no video |
| 05:32.21 | Hentai | and can't zap the pram anymore |
| 05:32.25 | Hentai | so |
| 05:32.31 | Hentai | I guess the video is going ot serial |
| 05:33.25 | drewcore | thats totally wierd |
| 05:33.46 | drewcore | so should i modify my quik.conf |
| 05:33.56 | drewcore | with some values to fix that |
| 05:33.59 | drewcore | or is it unfixable |
| 05:34.08 | Hentai | I dunno drewcore |
| 05:34.25 | Hentai | since I only got to install debian and after reboot this happened |
| 05:34.49 | Hentai | I've never seen quik.conf yet |
| 05:34.59 | drewcore | my condolences |
| 05:35.10 | Hentai | its ok |
| 05:35.21 | Hentai | its not dead yet |
| 05:35.25 | Hentai | I know its working |
| 05:35.42 | Hentai | cause I hear it accessing the HDD like mad during boot up |
| 05:37.12 | Hentai | brb |
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| 05:40.30 | Hentai | back |
| 05:41.35 | struggler_ | I tried the 3-24 sarge install cd, it claims to support software raid, but I can't find a partioning program that will mark the partition correctly, i.e. fdisk, mac-fdisk, parted, any ideas? |
| 05:43.41 | simonrvn | partman is supposed to do it; the installer's. report the bug if it isn't |
| 05:44.15 | struggler_ | partman is the built in partitioner in the installer? |
| 05:44.25 | simonrvn | yes |
| 05:44.56 | struggler_ | its broke then, it wants the partition marked as raid autodetect before it will touch it |
| 05:46.17 | struggler_ | where should I report it? |
| 05:53.31 | drewcore | i wish i could find out how to configure quik |
| 06:03.29 | Hentai | me to |
| 06:03.40 | Hentai | hurray |
| 06:03.45 | Hentai | I got my mac back |
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| 06:03.57 | Hentai | I was able to zap the pram again |
| 06:04.58 | Hentai | drewcore what's your parition map like? |
| 06:05.15 | simonrvn | Stereo: try #debian-boot. they'll tell you what to do |
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| 06:42.37 | Hentai | this blows |
| 06:42.51 | Hentai | I can get the boot floppy to run great but the installed system won't |
| 06:43.14 | simonrvn | fix nvram |
| 06:43.53 | Hentai | huh simonrvn |
| 06:44.16 | Hentai | what's wrong with it? |
| 06:44.49 | simonrvn | you need at bare minimum boot-device and boot-command (default of 'boot' is ok) |
| 06:45.08 | Hentai | ok |
| 06:45.30 | Hentai | in the kernel boot parameters right simonrvn |
| 06:45.31 | Hentai | ? |
| 06:45.34 | simonrvn | i'm assuming from what i've glanced at, the problem is because the boot-devie is wrong, hence the not booting bit |
| 06:45.51 | Hentai | so |
| 06:45.53 | Hentai | lets see |
| 06:45.55 | simonrvn | no. nvram. has nothing to do with the kernel. though those matter too |
| 06:46.02 | Hentai | well |
| 06:46.09 | simonrvn | sudo nvsetenv |
| 06:46.19 | simonrvn | or nvsetenv as root (from su -) |
| 06:46.23 | Hentai | huh |
| 06:46.40 | Hentai | I guess I should go to excute shell |
| 06:46.59 | simonrvn | yes. you can do that from vt 2 in the floppy boot |
| 06:47.09 | Hentai | vt 2? |
| 06:47.17 | simonrvn | virtual terminal |
| 06:47.22 | Hentai | no sudo command here |
| 06:47.32 | simonrvn | (and i suggest some unix commands reading too ;) |
| 06:47.33 | Hentai | nore su |
| 06:47.45 | Hentai | great unix stuff |
| 06:47.46 | simonrvn | you don't need it, not from floppy |
| 06:47.54 | simonrvn | from the* |
| 06:47.55 | Hentai | so am I in root? |
| 06:48.02 | Hentai | what's the *? |
| 06:48.16 | simonrvn | you are root, yes. the '#' tells you as much |
| 06:48.26 | Hentai | ok yeah |
| 06:48.38 | Hentai | so |
| 06:48.46 | Hentai | what's aviyt nvsetnev |
| 06:48.48 | Hentai | about |
| 06:49.00 | simonrvn | i was correcting myself with the '*' |
| 06:49.07 | simonrvn | run it |
| 06:49.10 | Hentai | cause I just stuck that in and its not found |
| 06:49.29 | simonrvn | you booted from floppy? which one? |
| 06:49.29 | Hentai | oh wait |
| 06:49.33 | Hentai | its there |
| 06:49.38 | Hentai | mixed up something |
| 06:49.41 | Hentai | ok I ran it |
| 06:49.54 | simonrvn | what's 'boot-device' say |
| 06:50.04 | Hentai | ok |
| 06:50.18 | simonrvn | what does 'boot-device' say |
| 06:50.27 | Hentai | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:50.58 | simonrvn | hmm. ok. do 'mount', and tell me if /proc is there |
| 06:50.58 | Hentai | so |
| 06:51.01 | Hentai | ok |
| 06:51.09 | Hentai | ok |
| 06:51.20 | Hentai | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:51.46 | simonrvn | ok. ls -l /proc/device-tree/ |
| 06:51.50 | Hentai | ok |
| 06:52.08 | Hentai | ok |
| 06:52.09 | Hentai | done |
| 06:52.10 | simonrvn | tell me what you see for 'bandit' |
| 06:52.27 | Hentai | ok |
| 06:52.41 | Hentai | dr-xr-xr-x |
| 06:52.48 | Hentai | 6 rooot |
| 06:52.50 | Hentai | root |
| 06:52.53 | Hentai | 0 |
| 06:52.54 | Hentai | sep |
| 06:52.56 | Hentai | 6 |
| 06:53.06 | Hentai | 05:32 bandit |
| 06:53.10 | simonrvn | no.. i mean what's the full name, it should have a -> to the real file |
| 06:53.11 | Hentai | -0 |
| 06:53.26 | Hentai | hmm |
| 06:53.28 | simonrvn | i don't care for the date and crap. doesn't matter |
| 06:53.34 | Hentai | no |
| 06:53.41 | Hentai | all I see is what I just said |
| 06:54.02 | Hentai | that and some other stuff |
| 06:54.05 | simonrvn | ok, so ls under bandit (ls -l /proc/device-tree/bandit/) |
| 06:54.31 | Hentai | ok |
| 06:54.34 | Hentai | done |
| 06:54.37 | simonrvn | should see ohare and some other dirs |
| 06:54.44 | Hentai | yes |
| 06:54.48 | Hentai | see them |
| 06:55.50 | simonrvn | same for ohare, ls under that; then tell me what you have as the listed names, letter for letter, and don't skip on the casing (like if it's ATA, don't do ata, etc.) |
| 06:56.00 | Hentai | ok |
| 06:56.03 | Hentai | will do |
| 06:56.10 | simonrvn | case is important in unix like OSes |
| 06:56.21 | simonrvn | s/unix like/unix-like/ |
| 06:56.29 | Hentai | I understand |
| 06:56.49 | simonrvn | cool |
| 06:56.52 | Hentai | intro to pc OSes in college taught me some |
| 06:56.57 | simonrvn | :) |
| 06:57.08 | Hentai | ok |
| 06:57.11 | Hentai | here we go |
| 06:57.17 | Hentai | #address-cells |
| 06:57.24 | Hentai | #size-cells |
| 06:57.29 | simonrvn | oh, that stuff i don't care for |
| 06:57.37 | simonrvn | the '#' named shit, just the dirs |
| 06:57.57 | Hentai | AAPL, address |
| 06:57.58 | Hentai | ATA |
| 06:58.03 | simonrvn | sorry 'bout that |
| 06:58.08 | Hentai | assigned-addresses |
| 06:58.19 | Hentai | nah its ok I'm still a unix/linux noob |
| 06:58.24 | Hentai | awacs |
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| 06:58.31 | simonrvn | so you have /proc/device-tree/bandit/ohare/ATA/ ? |
| 06:58.35 | Hentai | yes |
| 06:58.43 | simonrvn | ls under ATA |
| 06:58.49 | Hentai | ok |
| 06:59.11 | Hentai | did |
| 06:59.13 | simonrvn | what machine is this again? |
| 06:59.19 | simonrvn | what do have there? |
| 06:59.20 | Hentai | Umax c600 |
| 06:59.28 | Hentai | 603e @ 180mhz |
| 06:59.32 | Hentai | 96mb ram |
| 06:59.47 | Hentai | you want ATA-Disk |
| 06:59.48 | Hentai | ? |
| 06:59.52 | Hentai | ls there to |
| 07:00.16 | simonrvn | yeh, ok. so boot-device is correct |
| 07:00.33 | Hentai | think so |
| 07:01.17 | Hentai | yep |
| 07:01.46 | Hentai | hmm |
| 07:01.50 | simonrvn | what do you have for output-device, input-device, and boot-command in nvsetenv? |
| 07:02.11 | Hentai | ok hold |
| 07:02.14 | Hentai | coming |
| 07:02.21 | Hentai | what was it |
| 07:02.26 | Hentai | nvsetev |
| 07:02.43 | Hentai | nevermind |
| 07:02.46 | Hentai | got it |
| 07:03.01 | simonrvn | http://wiki.kisikew.org/bin/view/Know/MacModels#UMaxC500C600 ; take a look at that |
| 07:03.12 | Hentai | input-device ttya |
| 07:03.22 | Hentai | output-device ttya |
| 07:03.27 | Hentai | what's ttya for? |
| 07:03.35 | simonrvn | serial port 0 |
| 07:04.02 | simonrvn | OF in that version (and some later ones) defaulted to serial console |
| 07:04.03 | Hentai | boot-command begin ['] boot catch 1000ms cr again |
| 07:04.12 | simonrvn | ok |
| 07:04.15 | Hentai | what's OF? |
| 07:04.43 | Hentai | dang this stuff is way different then x86 |
| 07:04.50 | simonrvn | open firmware. a bit like a BIOS, but more configurable, and more flexible |
| 07:05.10 | Hentai | yeah probably so |
| 07:05.23 | Hentai | so |
| 07:05.27 | Hentai | if its ttya |
| 07:05.40 | simonrvn | ok, what does use-nvramrc? say? |
| 07:05.48 | Hentai | is that the reson its not showing video after I install debian and reboot? |
| 07:05.55 | Hentai | false |
| 07:06.31 | simonrvn | wouldn't matter much; though often people set it to the proper settings for the machine |
| 07:07.09 | Hentai | ok |
| 07:07.26 | simonrvn | ok, for input-device, do nvsetenv input-device kbd to start |
| 07:07.41 | simonrvn | 'nvsetenv input-device kbd' |
| 07:08.03 | Hentai | did |
| 07:08.07 | simonrvn | aha. seems it may not be able to use the onboard video... |
| 07:08.14 | simonrvn | Models which cannot use the on-board video |
| 07:08.18 | simonrvn | Umax C600 and Apus 3000 |
| 07:08.28 | Hentai | well I do have another video card |
| 07:08.30 | Hentai | in it |
| 07:08.32 | simonrvn | You will need to use a serial console or |
| 07:08.32 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:08.43 | Hentai | have a thrid party vid card in it |
| 07:08.59 | simonrvn | ok. so we'll set output-device to that card. if it's a "mac" card, all should be well |
| 07:09.10 | Hentai | mac as in? |
| 07:09.20 | Hentai | it worked fine with mac os 8.1 |
| 07:09.40 | simonrvn | has the right stuff in its ROM so that the machine can use it; otherwise you won,t see anything until xfree86 started |
| 07:09.55 | Hentai | ok |
| 07:09.56 | simonrvn | ..or won't even boot in some cases |
| 07:10.01 | Hentai | gotcha |
| 07:10.16 | Hentai | well I guess this is a mac card |
| 07:10.18 | simonrvn | ok. so it should be ok |
| 07:10.22 | Hentai | odd thing though |
| 07:10.28 | simonrvn | ...since mock os used it |
| 07:10.49 | simonrvn | do you happen to know the card's make? |
| 07:10.54 | Hentai | I could only boot the floppys with the monitor hookedup to the builtin vid |
| 07:10.56 | Hentai | well |
| 07:11.02 | Hentai | hold |
| 07:11.03 | simonrvn | (from there, you can do cat /proc/pci) |
| 07:11.09 | simonrvn | ok |
| 07:11.14 | simonrvn | hmm |
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| 07:11.51 | Hentai | maxtor millennium |
| 07:11.56 | Hentai | rev 1 |
| 07:12.40 | simonrvn | okaay... we'll do the ls /proc/device-tree thing again, but this time look for ... sec |
| 07:12.51 | Hentai | ok |
| 07:13.34 | simonrvn | ah, it's a matrox |
| 07:15.13 | Hentai | ok.. |
| 07:15.19 | Hentai | hmm |
| 07:15.50 | simonrvn | you see anything under bandit/ or pci/ that says matrox or millenium ? |
| 07:16.08 | Hentai | brt |
| 07:16.15 | Hentai | brt be right there |
| 07:16.41 | Hentai | yes |
| 07:16.50 | Hentai | MTRX,Millennium |
| 07:17.02 | simonrvn | cool, ok, so what's the full path to that thing? |
| 07:17.06 | Hentai | its in bandit |
| 07:17.32 | Hentai | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:17.38 | Hentai | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:17.40 | Hentai | opps |
| 07:17.43 | simonrvn | ok. good. |
| 07:17.52 | Hentai | the 2nd one is right? |
| 07:17.59 | simonrvn | output-device is /bandit/MTRX,Millennium |
| 07:18.06 | Hentai | ok |
| 07:18.07 | Hentai | so |
| 07:18.17 | simonrvn | nvsetenv output-device /bandit/MTRX,Millennium |
| 07:18.37 | Hentai | output-device=/bandit/MTRX,Millennium |
| 07:18.41 | Hentai | ok |
| 07:18.54 | simonrvn | and for quik.conf you'll edit that - you'll need to mount your / partition - you'll insert under the image= statement: |
| 07:19.11 | simonrvn | append="video:matroxfb" |
| 07:19.43 | Hentai | uh ok crap |
| 07:19.57 | Hentai | did the nvsetenv thing |
| 07:20.10 | Hentai | so |
| 07:20.13 | Hentai | I do a mount / |
| 07:21.09 | Hentai | uh oh |
| 07:21.23 | Hentai | Can't find / in /etc/fstab |
| 07:21.44 | simonrvn | no, since this isn't the system you want to mount, you want to mount the installation; so you'll need to find the right partition on the drive, and mount it that way; e.g., if it's /dev/sda3, and ext2 fs, it'll be mount -t ext2 /dev/sda3 /target |
| 07:22.02 | simonrvn | i'm assuming this is a woody floppy? |
| 07:22.07 | Hentai | no |
| 07:22.09 | Hentai | stable |
| 07:22.20 | simonrvn | yes, woody. woody is its codename |
| 07:22.26 | Hentai | oh ok |
| 07:22.35 | Hentai | well its the only floopy that booted |
| 07:22.40 | Hentai | all the way |
| 07:22.45 | simonrvn | np |
| 07:23.04 | simonrvn | /target will exist already |
| 07:23.12 | Hentai | hmm |
| 07:23.21 | Hentai | so mount /dev/hda3 |
| 07:23.30 | Hentai | no wait |
| 07:23.46 | Hentai | ok |
| 07:23.47 | Hentai | so |
| 07:24.01 | Hentai | mount -t ext2 /dev/hda3 /target? |
| 07:24.08 | Hentai | without the ? |
| 07:24.12 | simonrvn | so: mount -t ext2 /dev/whateverPartitionandDriveRootIsOn /target |
| 07:24.16 | Hentai | ok |
| 07:24.25 | simonrvn | yeh, if that's the right one, sure |
| 07:25.01 | Hentai | great |
| 07:25.08 | Hentai | fudge |
| 07:25.10 | simonrvn | once that's done, we'll chroot() to it; chroot /target /bin/sh |
| 07:25.44 | Hentai | mount: Mounting /dev/hda3 on /target failed: Deivce or Resource busy |
| 07:25.45 | simonrvn | sec |
| 07:26.58 | simonrvn | ok |
| 07:27.10 | simonrvn | oh, it's already mounted maybe; do 'mount' again |
| 07:27.26 | Hentai | hold |
| 07:27.31 | Hentai | yeah its hda3 |
| 07:27.34 | Hentai | brt |
| 07:27.42 | simonrvn | ok, so just chroot to it |
| 07:27.57 | Hentai | oh |
| 07:28.03 | Hentai | the install mounted |
| 07:28.05 | Hentai | that's right |
| 07:29.32 | simonrvn | once that's done, do nano-tiny /etc/quik.conf |
| 07:29.34 | Hentai | simonrvn if I did that nvsetenv stuff do I have to do it again if my root partition gets unmounted? |
| 07:29.45 | simonrvn | no. it's in the machine's nvram |
| 07:29.48 | Hentai | ok |
| 07:29.59 | Hentai | then to go on to the next step |
| 07:30.14 | simonrvn | only if you reset the nvram will it get wiped, like you boot to mock os or do opt-command-p-r |
| 07:30.32 | Hentai | ok |
| 07:31.00 | Hentai | I chrooted |
| 07:31.42 | Hentai | what? |
| 07:31.56 | simonrvn | once you've opened quik.conf, insert the append= thing (append="video:matroxfb") under the image= line |
| 07:32.05 | Hentai | nano-tiny: command not found |
| 07:32.10 | simonrvn | try nano |
| 07:32.15 | Hentai | ok |
| 07:32.47 | Hentai | Error opening terminal: bterm. |
| 07:32.53 | simonrvn | ignore |
| 07:33.01 | Hentai | how? |
| 07:33.10 | simonrvn | ...unless nano didn't open :) |
| 07:33.14 | Hentai | it didn't |
| 07:33.39 | simonrvn | which terminal did you do this from the first one with the blue background, or vt 2 ? |
| 07:33.58 | Hentai | oh crap |
| 07:34.08 | Hentai | never saw any blue background |
| 07:34.09 | simonrvn | no worries |
| 07:34.12 | simonrvn | ok |
| 07:34.17 | Hentai | just seen white |
| 07:34.32 | simonrvn | hmm, do opt-F2 |
| 07:34.35 | Hentai | ok |
| 07:34.39 | Hentai | did |
| 07:34.48 | Hentai | ok mount |
| 07:34.49 | simonrvn | see anything what's it say? |
| 07:35.10 | simonrvn | no, do't bother with the mount |
| 07:35.15 | Hentai | ok this long |
| 07:35.59 | Hentai | You are running "ash", a Burne-shell clone. |
| 07:35.59 | simonrvn | just press enter and chroot again |
| 07:35.59 | simonrvn | ok |
| 07:35.59 | Hentai | did |
| 07:36.27 | Hentai | ok in |
| 07:36.29 | simonrvn | try opening nano again once you chrooted |
| 07:36.38 | Hentai | its opened |
| 07:36.44 | Hentai | were in |
| 07:36.48 | simonrvn | with the conf in it? good |
| 07:36.59 | Hentai | yes |
| 07:37.12 | simonrvn | ok, add that append= line now |
| 07:37.14 | Hentai | yeah its woody |
| 07:37.46 | Hentai | hmm |
| 07:38.03 | Hentai | under image=/boot/vmlinux-2.2.20-pmac ? |
| 07:38.05 | Hentai | ok |
| 07:38.13 | simonrvn | should see something like image=/boot/vmlinux-2.2.20-pmac |
| 07:38.17 | simonrvn | yup |
| 07:38.26 | Hentai | with the () or not? |
| 07:38.32 | simonrvn | no () |
| 07:38.34 | Hentai | ok |
| 07:38.44 | Hentai | and no "" things to? |
| 07:38.52 | simonrvn | you need those |
| 07:38.59 | simonrvn | append="video:matroxfb" |
| 07:39.20 | Hentai | so |
| 07:39.24 | Hentai | right under it |
| 07:39.29 | Hentai | or tabed over? |
| 07:39.36 | simonrvn | then save, exit. yeh tab it |
| 07:39.46 | simonrvn | oh, no, like: |
| 07:39.50 | simonrvn | image=/boot/vmlinux-2.2.20-pmac |
| 07:39.59 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:40.16 | Hentai | yeah |
| 07:40.19 | Hentai | did it |
| 07:40.38 | simonrvn | cool, save exit. then do mount -t proc proc /proc |
| 07:40.53 | Hentai | wait |
| 07:40.55 | simonrvn | we'll "tell" quik the config changed: quik -vf |
| 07:41.09 | Hentai | I'm trying to figure how to save it |
| 07:41.19 | simonrvn | there's a help at the bottom |
| 07:41.40 | Hentai | yeah |
| 07:41.45 | Hentai | what's this mean |
| 07:41.51 | Hentai | ^G Get Help |
| 07:41.57 | Hentai | how do I do that command? |
| 07:42.03 | simonrvn | control-g |
| 07:42.11 | Hentai | oh |
| 07:42.12 | Hentai | found out |
| 07:42.32 | simonrvn | ^O WriteOut |
| 07:42.35 | simonrvn | is to save it |
| 07:42.43 | Hentai | yeah |
| 07:43.12 | Hentai | exited |
| 07:43.14 | Hentai | lets see |
| 07:43.30 | Hentai | ok |
| 07:43.44 | Hentai | <simonrvn> we'll "tell" quik the config changed: quik -vf |
| 07:43.46 | Hentai | hmm |
| 07:43.55 | Hentai | just do a quik -vf ? |
| 07:44.16 | simonrvn | means once you've mounted /proc inside the chroot, you run 'quik -vf' |
| 07:44.27 | Hentai | ok |
| 07:44.46 | Hentai | did |
| 07:44.47 | Hentai | done |
| 07:45.07 | simonrvn | the -v means verbose, otherwise it doesn't say what's going on |
| 07:45.19 | Hentai | ok |
| 07:45.45 | Hentai | seems to of worked fine |
| 07:46.19 | simonrvn | ok, now umount /proc |
| 07:46.29 | simonrvn | then ^d |
| 07:46.47 | Hentai | ok |
| 07:46.56 | simonrvn | control-d is EOF (end of file) but it also can exit the shell, in this case, your chrooted shell |
| 07:47.24 | Hentai | I did the ^d |
| 07:47.27 | Hentai | but it says |
| 07:47.42 | Hentai | substitution failed |
| 07:47.49 | simonrvn | oh, do 'exit' then |
| 07:47.54 | Hentai | ok |
| 07:48.02 | Hentai | k |
| 07:48.06 | Hentai | now back to # |
| 07:48.43 | Hentai | so |
| 07:48.50 | Hentai | control F1 now? |
| 07:48.52 | simonrvn | cool. now, we'll tweak OF's nvram again, but so it'll use the nvramrc if any, and so it won't auto-boot |
| 07:48.57 | simonrvn | no, stay there |
| 07:49.00 | Hentai | kk |
| 07:49.14 | Hentai | gotcha |
| 07:49.15 | Hentai | ok |
| 07:49.19 | Hentai | so |
| 07:49.21 | simonrvn | nvsetenv auto-boot? false |
| 07:49.26 | Hentai | nvsetenv |
| 07:49.38 | simonrvn | nvsetenv use-nvramrc? true |
| 07:49.49 | Hentai | its rue |
| 07:49.52 | Hentai | true |
| 07:50.03 | Hentai | auto-boot? true |
| 07:50.04 | simonrvn | ok. what's nvsetenv output-device ? |
| 07:50.16 | simonrvn | set to false, like i showed you |
| 07:50.22 | simonrvn | (the auto-boot?) |
| 07:50.34 | Hentai | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:50.39 | simonrvn | ok |
| 07:50.44 | Hentai | ok will set aute-boot? to fasle |
| 07:50.50 | Hentai | false |
| 07:51.00 | simonrvn | brb |
| 07:51.12 | Hentai | use-nvramrc is set to fase |
| 07:51.16 | Hentai | false |
| 07:51.49 | Hentai | auto-boot? is now false |
| 07:51.57 | simonrvn | cool |
| 07:52.12 | Hentai | time to set use-nvramrc |
| 07:52.21 | Hentai | to true right? |
| 07:52.29 | simonrvn | if it's already set to true, leave it be |
| 07:52.35 | Hentai | no its not |
| 07:52.37 | Hentai | brt |
| 07:52.39 | simonrvn | ok |
| 07:53.06 | Hentai | now it is |
| 07:53.20 | simonrvn | cool |
| 07:53.26 | Hentai | does input-device keyboard mean keyboard? |
| 07:53.33 | Hentai | kbd |
| 07:53.35 | Hentai | I mean |
| 07:53.39 | Hentai | guess so |
| 07:53.43 | simonrvn | yup |
| 07:53.52 | Hentai | I get it now |
| 07:53.57 | simonrvn | oh, did you set kbd or keyboard? |
| 07:54.05 | Hentai | kbd |
| 07:54.07 | simonrvn | should be kbd |
| 07:54.09 | simonrvn | ok |
| 07:54.12 | Hentai | so |
| 07:54.27 | Hentai | what's next? |
| 07:54.35 | Hentai | what about my boot command? |
| 07:54.40 | simonrvn | ok, exit that shell (exit), then got to vt 1 |
| 07:54.43 | simonrvn | it's ok |
| 07:55.01 | Hentai | k |
| 07:55.03 | Hentai | did |
| 07:55.19 | Hentai | back in ash again with white background |
| 07:55.24 | simonrvn | you need to exit the shell there too, then unmount the partition |
| 07:55.36 | Hentai | why unmount it? |
| 07:55.39 | Hentai | err |
| 07:55.45 | simonrvn | because we're rebooting ;) |
| 07:55.45 | Hentai | won't the installer handel that? |
| 07:56.04 | simonrvn | dunno - i think so, but better safe than sorry |
| 07:56.18 | Hentai | hmm |
| 07:56.24 | Hentai | unmount a partition ? |
| 07:56.33 | simonrvn | should be in that menu |
| 07:56.37 | Hentai | yeah |
| 07:56.47 | Hentai | so should I unmount both swap and native? |
| 07:56.51 | simonrvn | yes |
| 07:56.55 | Hentai | ok |
| 07:57.16 | Hentai | done |
| 07:57.25 | Hentai | reboot now? |
| 07:57.37 | Hentai | oh yeah I have to change my monitor to my maxtor |
| 07:57.56 | simonrvn | yeh :) |
| 07:58.07 | Hentai | ok |
| 07:58.43 | Hentai | wth |
| 07:58.47 | simonrvn | hopefully if we got the settings right, it should drop you into OF - white background, black text |
| 07:59.22 | Hentai | I hit reboot but it went back to Choose the language page |
| 07:59.35 | simonrvn | oh, reboot again then |
| 07:59.56 | Hentai | oh nevermind |
| 08:00.01 | Hentai | I went all they way down |
| 08:00.40 | Hentai | oh fudge |
| 08:00.44 | Hentai | no video |
| 08:00.56 | Hentai | wait this has two ports on it |
| 08:01.00 | Hentai | oh fudge |
| 08:01.14 | Hentai | ah man |
| 08:01.45 | simonrvn | it's ok, just try each, just have to give it the 3-finger salute when you switch the port (control-command-power key) |
| 08:02.00 | Hentai | ok |
| 08:02.08 | Hentai | thanks |
| 08:02.10 | Hentai | phew |
| 08:02.21 | simonrvn | it worked? you see video? |
| 08:02.29 | Hentai | hold |
| 08:02.32 | Hentai | none yet |
| 08:03.07 | simonrvn | should happen right away |
| 08:03.49 | Hentai | hmm no go yet |
| 08:03.52 | Hentai | lets see |
| 08:03.58 | Hentai | so I have the power off |
| 08:04.04 | Hentai | then I het control command |
| 08:04.09 | Hentai | then hit power key |
| 08:04.15 | Hentai | how lond shoul I hold it? |
| 08:04.24 | simonrvn | no, from power off just press the power key briefly |
| 08:05.01 | Hentai | nothing |
| 08:05.25 | simonrvn | ok, machine on, monitor on, but no video? |
| 08:05.32 | Hentai | right |
| 08:05.55 | Hentai | it has two video ports on the matrox but |
| 08:06.01 | Hentai | the one is some unkown to me |
| 08:06.07 | Hentai | has three rows of pins |
| 08:06.29 | simonrvn | probably the mac db-15 or whatever it's called |
| 08:06.48 | Hentai | no no |
| 08:06.55 | Hentai | it has more then 15 pins |
| 08:07.00 | simonrvn | ok |
| 08:07.43 | Hentai | dang it |
| 08:07.53 | Hentai | well I can save this converstaion |
| 08:08.02 | simonrvn | hmm, you may have to zap the pram... :/ |
| 08:08.18 | Hentai | yeah |
| 08:08.42 | Hentai | wait what's matroxfb stand for? |
| 08:08.42 | Hentai | the fb part? |
| 08:09.08 | simonrvn | most of the settings are ok, except for the video one, so you'll need to find out what the onboard is, and try that |
| 08:09.13 | simonrvn | framebuffer |
| 08:09.17 | Hentai | ok |
| 08:09.20 | Hentai | hmm |
| 08:09.31 | Hentai | what mac video card do you think would work good? |
| 08:09.34 | Hentai | a vodoo? |
| 08:09.38 | Hentai | ati? |
| 08:09.49 | simonrvn | eek, some folks have a hard time with voodoos |
| 08:10.01 | simonrvn | atis tend to work well |
| 08:10.11 | Hentai | ok |
| 08:10.18 | Hentai | and have to be for macs right |
| 08:10.21 | Hentai | so ebay |
| 08:10.27 | Hentai | hmmm |
| 08:10.28 | simonrvn | yeh, or a flashed pc one |
| 08:10.42 | simonrvn | (that flashing is one-way, FYI) |
| 08:10.51 | Hentai | thought so |
| 08:11.12 | Hentai | hmm |
| 08:12.20 | Hentai | saved converstaion onto HD |
| 08:12.28 | simonrvn | cool |
| 08:12.49 | simonrvn | i should write something long-winded some time... |
| 08:13.27 | Hentai | if I ever get video I'm making some guide for this |
| 08:13.34 | simonrvn | sure |
| 08:13.54 | simonrvn | esp. for those, there's not too many around |
| 08:14.06 | Hentai | only for quik though |
| 08:14.15 | simonrvn | email me or something, http://simonraven.nuit.ca/ |
| 08:14.21 | Hentai | ok |
| 08:15.10 | Hentai | ahh fudge |
| 08:15.25 | Hentai | that site don't like rendering in Ie to well |
| 08:15.26 | Hentai | IE |
| 08:15.38 | simonrvn | no ;) |
| 08:15.46 | Hentai | figures |
| 08:15.49 | Hentai | haha |
| 08:16.10 | Hentai | here is my site |
| 08:16.24 | Hentai | Http://nt.nukysrealm.net |
| 08:17.04 | simonrvn | neat |
| 08:17.13 | Hentai | its still being worked on |
| 08:17.17 | Hentai | hobby of mine |
| 08:17.45 | simonrvn | that's cool |
| 08:17.48 | Hentai | well thanks |
| 08:17.52 | simonrvn | np |
| 08:17.57 | Hentai | man great job helping me |
| 08:17.59 | simonrvn | keeps me in practice ;) |
| 08:18.03 | Hentai | ahh |
| 08:18.04 | Hentai | ok |
| 08:18.13 | simonrvn | i like helping too |
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| 12:24.37 | chipi | hi ppl :) |
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| 14:05.21 | johill | yay. fully done, my driver for the new powerbook trackpad works |
| 14:06.52 | misfitx7 | does hostap work on ppc? |
| 14:25.16 | juliux | johill, have you a link? |
| 14:28.51 | johill | http://johannes.sipsolutions.net/PowerBook |
| 14:30.57 | juliux | thks |
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| 14:33.44 | johill | be warned, it's probably close to useless for non-developers, the userspace part of the driver is kinda crappy |
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| 14:46.54 | johill | does anyone know how to get at the OF code? |
| 14:47.21 | johill | benh mentioned that I might try disassembling parts of that for the touchpad driver. now I already have one, but this might still be interesting |
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| 15:20.32 | Garp | Hi. |
| 15:20.57 | Garp | I'm trying to install my G4 under debian and I'm a bit lost. |
| 15:21.24 | Garp | I first tried the method reported here: http://people.debian.org/~branden/ibook.html |
| 15:21.50 | Garp | but the ata 100 driver is not supported by the default woody kernel. |
| 15:22.30 | Garp | I used to replace it by another there: http://valla.uchicago.edu/ppc/vmlinux-pbg412.bz2 as suggested here: http://www.mathematik.uni-marburg.de/~schmidtm/apple/powerbook.en.php |
| 15:23.10 | Garp | but the link is now broken. |
| 15:23.18 | Garp | Someone suggestd me to use the new installer |
| 15:23.44 | Garp | as documented here: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 15:24.03 | Garp | I'm trying, but it odesnt work for me yet. |
| 15:24.15 | Garp | The installer keep asking for some "ISO" file I dont have. |
| 15:24.20 | Garp | Any idea? Thanks. |
| 15:32.32 | pahartik | Garp: look at "http://www.nl.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/", you probably want "netinst CD image" |
| 15:33.22 | Garp | pahartik: how :( |
| 15:33.29 | Garp | pahartik: where should I put it ? |
| 15:33.42 | Garp | pahartik: and why a CD image ofor a netwiok install ? |
| 15:33.53 | pahartik | Garp: damn, you were already looking at that... |
| 15:34.02 | Garp | the new installer is not as conveniant as the old one :( |
| 15:34.35 | Garp | and the doc is not so clear about this iso stuff... |
| 15:34.36 | pahartik | Garp: do you have floppy disk device on that workstation? |
| 15:35.00 | Garp | (in the hd installl part) |
| 15:35.26 | Garp | pahartik: no I dont, and why would I want any ? OF is pretty able to boot anything I want (I can boot the installer, it just doesnt want to get it's data from elsewhere than local) |
| 15:35.47 | Garp | pahartik: the woody one would do it without any questions |
| 15:36.51 | pahartik | Garp: what is the problem with "debian-installer" CD images? |
| 15:38.01 | Garp | pahartik: 1/ I dont like the idea of downlmoading hundreds of megs for nothing. 2/ I dont know where to put those if ever I downloaded them. 3/ It used to work fine without, and I expect things to improve not to decrease in functionnality and usability. |
| 15:40.08 | pahartik | Garp: you can write image to CD-RW media with "cdrecord" and then boot from it... "cdrecord" works on MacOS X and Linux |
| 15:40.33 | Garp | pahartik: So no media install is broken with the new installer ? |
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| 15:48.13 | Garp | small int: I'm at the console and eth0 doesnt exists: looks like the network controler is not ready (but it's just the SunGem standard stuff) |
| 15:48.40 | Garp | how can I know if the driver is well compiled in the kernel ? |
| 15:49.54 | pahartik | Garp: it is most probably available as module |
| 15:50.43 | Garp | pahartik : I cant find it, shouldnt it be under lib/modules/2.6.../kernel/net ? |
| 15:51.44 | Garp | that network card is afaik the default card in every apple ibooks... So it would likely be statically linked in the kernel (it is for woody, if I remember well) |
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| 15:52.27 | sk1p_ | johill: you have to change into the directory of the touchpad when in openfirmware, then type words to see the OF methods. to look at the "source" of one word, type see insert_word_here |
| 15:52.41 | sk1p | johill: http://developer.apple.com/technotes/tn/tn1061.html should help a bit |
| 15:53.03 | johill | sk1p: thanks |
| 15:53.21 | pahartik | Garp: something like "/lib/modules/2.6.9-powerpc/kernel/drivers/net/sungem.ko" |
| 15:53.33 | johill | I had thought there might be some way to get this from linux or something. |
| 15:53.52 | assassin | ieee1275 helps much better :) |
| 15:54.29 | sk1p | johill: yes, you'd have to ask segher (hes sometimes at #mklinux), he knows how to do it from a OF dump and has some decompiler tools |
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| 15:55.42 | johill | oh cool, thanks |
| 15:56.52 | Garp | pahartik: tks. I see. Is it difficult to generate a initrd file ? |
| 15:57.33 | Garp | pahartik : I could add this driver and reboot |
| 15:57.41 | Garp | on that ibnitrd file |
| 15:57.51 | johill | bbl. will be in OF for a while ;) |
| 15:58.40 | pahartik | Garp: i never tried that, i build kernels that need no "initrd" |
| 15:59.05 | Garp | pahartik: well, I gess that at installation there is no choice but to have some initrd file |
| 15:59.20 | Garp | becose there is no local FS |
| 15:59.57 | pahartik | Garp: if installer boots from CD, "initrd image" is there along with "kernel image" |
| 16:00.41 | Garp | pahartik: I have one initrd file, but there is no sungem.ko in it |
| 16:00.51 | Garp | so I have to generate one that does have it. |
| 16:02.30 | pahartik | Garp: if you need to build kernel for installer, you may as well build one that contains everything needed for installing on workstation you plan to use it on |
| 16:05.22 | Garp | pahartik: I'll think about this... |
| 16:05.49 | Garp | pahartik: Thanks for your help :) |
| 16:07.03 | Curalton | oh, now THAT is small: http://www.picotux.com - not ppc but im not on #arm or similar atm :) |
| 16:07.47 | aba | Curalton: yes, but next to no memory |
| 16:08.29 | Curalton | first i386 hardly had more, back to the roots :) |
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| 20:10.04 | simonrvn | Q-FUNK: what did you say? |
| 20:13.04 | misfitx7 | how do i rebuild my kernel to inclube linux-wlan-ng modules? |
| 20:13.39 | simonrvn | typoed that not only here, but in #debian too. amazing |
| 20:13.57 | misfitx7 | heh |
| 20:14.22 | misfitx7 | sorry |
| 20:14.31 | misfitx7 | at least i know someone saw it |
| 20:14.51 | simonrvn | apt-get install module-assistant; then run m-a build linux-wlan-ng |
| 20:15.01 | simonrvn | i think that's how you run it |
| 20:15.20 | misfitx7 | k ill try it |
| 20:15.36 | misfitx7 | could you tell me if hostap would be a better choice? |
| 20:15.42 | simonrvn | that'll work if it's debianised |
| 20:15.52 | simonrvn | no, since i don't use that stuff |
| 20:16.07 | misfitx7 | i havent seen whether it is supported on ppc or not |
| 20:18.16 | misfitx7 | there used to be an package from the apt source for the wlan-ng driver but its no longer there |
| 20:24.11 | sloopy | simonrvn: i got a car, a '95 Honda Civic DX (sedan) went last night an brought it home, tomorrow i am gonna get tags for it... cost me $500 :') |
| 20:24.33 | simonrvn | eh |
| 20:25.19 | sloopy | i have never cared much for honda's but the price was right and it fulfilled my pre-req's |
| 20:25.39 | simonrvn | i never cared for cars =) |
| 20:26.10 | sloopy | cars are only second to pooters in my priority list :') |
| 20:26.14 | Hentai | back |
| 20:26.17 | fluffy_wolf | simonrvn: so what do you do if you need to move things from one place to another? :P |
| 20:26.27 | simonrvn | my bike |
| 20:26.32 | sloopy | and depending on car and computer the car can be higher :') |
| 20:26.54 | Hentai | hmm I think maybe I forgot to add boot-file to nvsetenv |
| 20:26.55 | fluffy_wolf | uh-huh. I usually have ~500lbs of stuff with me for installing dishes. a bike wouldn't work too well. :P |
| 20:27.17 | simonrvn | a bike can carry up to 10 times its weight |
| 20:27.19 | Hentai | I want a honda |
| 20:27.39 | Hentai | 3rd gen accord |
| 20:27.59 | sloopy | when i drove it home i wasnt too impressed with it... |
| 20:28.02 | fluffy_wolf | my legs can't pedal 10 times their weight very far. :P |
| 20:28.11 | simonrvn | practice ;). |
| 20:28.34 | fluffy_wolf | I drove ~900 miles the trip I just got back from.... with >500lbs of stuff... in the rain... a bike wouldn't work for my job. :P |
| 20:28.38 | Hentai | simonrvn can I mount a CD from ash? |
| 20:28.54 | Hentai | simonrvn its a civic what you expect? |
| 20:28.56 | fluffy_wolf | Hentai: how would it be different from mounting it in any other shell? |
| 20:28.57 | simonrvn | ash is just a shell |
| 20:29.10 | Hentai | I don't know fluffy_wolf |
| 20:29.18 | sloopy | fluffy_wolf: yeah i dont think a bike would let me get my paper route done before mrs has to go to work... |
| 20:29.22 | Hentai | I don't use linux a lot |
| 20:29.25 | Hentai | or any CLIs |
| 20:30.43 | Hentai | hmm |
| 20:30.54 | Hentai | what's scsi? |
| 20:30.56 | Hentai | sda? |
| 20:31.31 | simonrvn | sd* |
| 20:31.39 | Hentai | ok |
| 20:31.54 | simonrvn | can also be sr*, or scd* if it's a cd-rom |
| 20:32.09 | Hentai | k |
| 20:32.15 | Hentai | do I have to add a /target? |
| 20:32.48 | simonrvn | that "/target" was just where you were mouting it. you could mount it at /fartfish for all it cares |
| 20:32.53 | simonrvn | mounting* |
| 20:33.07 | Hentai | ok |
| 20:33.35 | Hentai | anyway to find out stuff? |
| 20:33.40 | Hentai | like devices? |
| 20:33.57 | simonrvn | what kind of info are you looking for? |
| 20:34.22 | Hentai | to find out where my CD drive is loacted |
| 20:34.44 | simonrvn | dmesg normally. or cat /proc/scsi/scsi |
| 20:35.07 | Hentai | so cat /anything find out info usually |
| 20:35.09 | Hentai | ok |
| 20:36.40 | simonrvn | most of the time |
| 20:36.43 | simonrvn | яюЖŇŃ |
| 20:36.58 | Hentai | wth |
| 20:39.54 | Q-FUNK | simonrvn: sorry, come again? |
| 20:40.21 | simonrvn | Q-FUNK: just pulling your leg :). how's it going? |
| 20:40.57 | Q-FUNK | харашо |
| 20:41.51 | simonrvn | sorry, i only randomly type cyrillic, i don't actually understand it ;) |
| 20:42.05 | Hentai | huh |
| 20:42.13 | fluffy_wolf | lol |
| 20:44.11 | Hentai | dang it |
| 20:45.13 | Q-FUNK | я был на Skype. Может быт, что это я работать там. |
| 20:45.37 | Q-FUNK | ööö |
| 20:45.51 | Q-FUNK | работаю |
| 20:45.57 | simonrvn | something about skype =) |
| 20:46.01 | Q-FUNK | dammit |
| 20:46.09 | sk1p | :D |
| 20:46.28 | Q-FUNK | I'm getting rusty. Gotta catch up with my Russian skills. |
| 20:47.15 | simonrvn | heh |
| 20:47.23 | Q-FUNK | Was saying that I interviewed at Skype today. They are considering different positions for me, among which Product Manager for their Linux produtcs. |
| 20:47.39 | simonrvn | oh cool |
| 20:47.46 | simonrvn | :D. good for you |
| 20:50.33 | Q-FUNK | At least, that particular one was one possible hypothesis. Right now they appear more interested in sending me over their business unit in london. |
| 20:51.42 | simonrvn | london? eh |
| 20:52.28 | simonrvn | @weather cyul |
| 20:52.34 | ravenbird | Montreal / Dorval International, Que, Canada; (CYUL) 45-28N 073-45W 36M; last updated: 2005.03.29 2000 UTC; Dew Point: 32 F (0 C); Pressure (altimeter): 29.87 in. Hg (1011 hPa); Relative Humidity: 49%; Sky conditions: mostly clear; Temperature: 50 F (10 C); Visibility: 15 mile(s); Wind: from the ENE (060 degrees) at 12 MPH (10 KT) gusting to 17 MPH (15 KT) |
| 20:52.37 | simonrvn | oooh |
| 20:55.19 | Hentai | hmm |
| 20:55.36 | Hentai | @weather portland, texas |
| 20:55.38 | ravenbird | I can't find station code "PORTLAND, TEXAS" (see http://www.nws.noaa.gov/oso/site.shtml for ICAO locations codes). |
| 20:56.02 | Bor_Ed | @weather efva |
| 20:56.04 | ravenbird | Vaasa, Finland; (EFVA) 63-03N 021-46E; last updated: 2005.03.29 2020 UTC; Dew Point: 21 F (-6 C); Pressure (altimeter): 30.39 in. Hg (1029 hPa); Relative Humidity: 85%; Temperature: 24 F (-4 C); Visibility: greater than 7 mile(s); Wind: Calm |
| 20:56.13 | sk1p | @weather edhk |
| 20:56.22 | ravenbird | Kiel / Holtenau Civilian, Germany; (EDHK) 54-23N 010-10E; last updated: 2005.03.29 2020 UTC; Dew Point: 32 F (0 C); Pressure (altimeter): 30.18 in. Hg (1022 hPa); Relative Humidity: 80%; Sky conditions: mostly clear; Temperature: 37 F (3 C); Visibility: greater than 7 mile(s); Wind: from the ENE (070 degrees) at 13 MPH (11 KT) |
| 20:57.02 | Q-FUNK | @weather vantaa |
| 20:57.05 | ravenbird | I can't find station code "VANTAA" (see http://www.nws.noaa.gov/oso/site.shtml for ICAO locations codes). |
| 20:57.17 | Q-FUNK | @weather hel |
| 20:57.20 | ravenbird | I can't find station code "HEL" (see http://www.nws.noaa.gov/oso/site.shtml for ICAO locations codes). |
| 20:57.29 | simonrvn | hint: ICAO code |
| 20:57.39 | Bor_Ed | efhk |
| 20:58.00 | simonrvn | @weather efhk |
| 20:58.01 | Bor_Ed | (another hint) |
| 20:58.03 | ravenbird | Helsinki-Vantaa, Finland; (EFHK) 60-19N 024-58E 56M; last updated: 2005.03.29 2020 UTC; Dew Point: 19 F (-7 C); Pressure (altimeter): 30.36 in. Hg (1028 hPa); Relative Humidity: 79%; Sky conditions: mostly clear; Temperature: 24 F (-4 C); Visibility: greater than 7 mile(s); Wind: from the N (360 degrees) at 2 MPH (2 KT) |
| 20:58.19 | simonrvn | Bor_Ed: :) |
| 20:58.40 | Bor_Ed | had to :) |
| 20:59.12 | Q-FUNK | simonrvn: that link gives me an asp error on the file |
| 20:59.24 | simonrvn | i got one too. sec |
| 20:59.37 | simonrvn | http://www.nws.noaa.gov/tg/siteloc.shtml # try that |
| 21:00.07 | simonrvn | i'll edit the source, and put to cvs |
| 21:00.38 | Q-FUNK | @weather efhf |
| 21:00.40 | ravenbird | Helsinki-Malmi, Finland; (EFHF) 60-15N 025-03E 28M; last updated: 2005.03.29 2020 UTC; Dew Point: 21 F (-6 C); Pressure (altimeter): 30.36 in. Hg (1028 hPa); Relative Humidity: 92%; Temperature: 23 F (-5 C); Visibility: greater than 7 mile(s); Wind: Calm |
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| 21:07.18 | simonrvn | ok, now to update rb |
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| 21:21.06 | simonrvn | ravenbird: weather foo |
| 21:21.09 | ravenbird | I can't find station code "FOO" (see http://www.nws.noaa.gov/oso/site.shtml or http://www.nws.noaa.gov/tg/siteloc.shtml for ICAO locations codes). |
| 21:21.15 | simonrvn | fixed |
| 21:21.40 | simonrvn | with some code formatting by TimRiker |
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| 21:30.06 | dukez | hello |
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| 21:43.24 | dukez | anyone managed to make a radeon and a cinema display work with either ati or radeon driver (for X) ? |
| 21:45.29 | simonrvn | no. what's your question and/or problem? |
| 21:47.34 | dukez | When I start X with the fbdev driver, everything is ok, except performance. But when I try to start X with ati or radeon driver, the screen seems to sleep |
| 21:49.09 | simonrvn | in x, the radeon driver is a subset of the ati one, IIRC |
| 21:49.43 | simonrvn | maybe the sync is off, or the driver doesn't support the card yet? |
| 21:50.56 | dukez | I saw on rh bugzilla that the radeon driver may not wake up the screen |
| 21:51.24 | dukez | the driver does support the card, because when I had a CRT, it was working |
| 21:52.03 | simonrvn | hmm, probably sync rates. that's my guess. try asking in ##xfree86 (or #xfree86) |
| 21:52.15 | dukez | ok, thank simonrvn |
| 22:02.56 | fluffy_wolf | "MagiqTech's two-box solution, provides secure |
| 22:02.58 | fluffy_wolf | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:03.00 | fluffy_wolf | shiny. |
| 22:09.33 | Hentai | argh |
| 22:09.37 | Hentai | I can't mount a CD |
| 22:09.41 | Hentai | man I suck at CLI |
| 22:12.34 | fluffy_wolf | mount /dev/whateveryourcdis /mnt |
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| 22:26.21 | johill | is there anyone here who has ever built a r300 driver successfully? :/ |
| 22:27.36 | sk1p | don't have r300, nvidia here (yay) |
| 22:28.07 | sk1p | btw. found something wrt. OpenFirmware stuff? |
| 22:29.11 | johill | not really. I went in there but couldn't really make much of what I got. I was trying to look at the sound thing on the new powerbook |
| 22:30.21 | johill | I think I'll be happy with having reverse engineered the touchpad for a while ;) (not that it was really hard at all though) |
| 22:30.50 | sk1p | :-) |
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| 23:31.03 | fluffy_wolf | are there any good schematic editors yet? I've installed just about everything in the testing/electronics section, and they all still suck... |
| 23:32.23 | fluffy_wolf | electric = unusable. geda = can't even create a new file without dieing. pcb = not schematics. xcircuit = useless. oregano = great, but still maintainerless, and has too many unfixed rc bugs. etc. |
| 23:36.08 | fluffy_wolf | hrrmm. there's a bug-fix release on organo's website that's not in debian. *downloads* |
| 23:36.41 | fluffy_wolf | except oregano's web site doesn't work in firefox. wtf. |
| 23:42.11 | skel_home | fluffy_wolf: you sure bitch a lot |
| 23:42.13 | skel_home | =P |
| 23:42.28 | skel_home | so help maintain the best of the selection? |
| 23:42.32 | skel_home | got any spare time? |
| 23:43.03 | fluffy_wolf | nope, sadly. nor do I know nearly enough about gtk to start on it. |
| 23:43.09 | skel_home | =/ |
| 23:43.35 | skel_home | what about just applying patches and making updated packages? |
| 23:44.01 | skel_home | speaking of packages.. anyone know of a apt repos for mono 1.0.6 or above for ppc? |
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