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00:53.29flowtechhey, i seem to be too stupid to find the cpu of my PBTi at spec.org
00:53.46flowtechit should be a powerpc 7410 but i just can't find it.
00:53.50flowtechany pointers?
00:54.21johillmaybe they don't have benchmarks of it?
00:55.14flowtechdoes that imply noone submitted them because they were just embarressing?
00:55.49johillI didn't intend to phrase it that way, so no. :o)
00:56.17flowtechhm. ok. but still. that's pretty weird.
00:57.34johillgoogle doesn't find it
00:58.42flowtechi thought i have seen benchmarks on that cpu a couple of years back
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01:35.14skel_homewhats the link for the guide to build debian packages? I can't find it
01:35.30skel_homeoh nm
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01:56.03dbombhey, I am about to install debian on an 8600 to use as a server
01:56.14dbomband tips?
01:56.21dbomb*any
01:59.48skel_homehmm
02:00.00skel_homedon't laugh with soda in your mouth
02:00.06skel_home=]
02:00.12dbombhehe
02:00.20dbombis it hard to get installed?
02:00.34skel_homeI don't know what an 8600 is.. I only have an ibook
02:00.34dbombonly time I have ever used it was on my iPod
02:00.38skel_homebut the install was cake
02:00.45dbombit's an old power mac
02:00.56skel_homeis it old world or new world?
02:01.07dbombhmm, I'll check
02:01.13skel_homeI hear old world stuff is harder
02:01.59dbombdarn
02:02.19skel_homemight just pop the net install cd in and give it a whirl
02:02.22dbombI think it is old world
02:02.25dbombyeah, I am going to do that
02:02.36dbombjust have to let it finish burning
02:02.57dbombare you using debain as your main os?
02:03.45skel_homeyes
02:03.53skel_home1 debian ppc ibook
02:04.00skel_homeand 1 debian amd64 desktop
02:04.08skel_homeand at work I have debian on a dual xeon
02:04.09dbombI am just going to use it on the 8600 as a server, and for fun I guess
02:04.21dbombI am happy with panther on my mini
02:04.44skel_homeooh a mini?
02:04.45skel_homecool
02:04.45dbombI would install linux on it, but I don't wanna format for a partion
02:04.51dbombyeah, it's nice :)
02:04.58skel_homehmm hfs+ ?
02:05.05dbombno idea
02:05.58skel_homegnu parted can shrink hfs and hfs+ partitions
02:06.13skel_homeif you wanted to add an ext3 / xfs / reiser for linux
02:06.13dbombthats cool
02:07.03dbombstupid os9, it does not want to mount the cd
02:07.13dbombI will just try restarting while holding down c
02:08.42skel_homeyeah
02:08.46skel_homethats what I had to do
02:08.57dbombhmm, did not work
02:09.10dbombit sort of locks up
02:09.12skel_homehmm now that I think about it
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02:09.15dbombuntill I open the cd drive
02:09.28skel_homeI think one of the problems with oldworld is not being able to boot off a cd
02:09.35dbombyeah
02:09.41dbombit does not mount the cd eathier though
02:10.01dbombwould you know how to install from a cd on a network?
02:11.00skel_home=/
02:11.01skel_homeno
02:11.06dbombyay
02:11.09dbombI mounted it
02:11.15dbombnow, where is the installer?
02:11.42dbombthe read me says its on Binary-1, but I have no idea where that is
02:12.01skel_homefind . | grep Binary-1 ?
02:12.10dbombhow do I do that in os9?
02:12.17skel_homelol.. no clue
02:12.25skel_homehttp://www.qednet.biz/debian_Installation_manual/ch-hardware-req.en.html
02:12.31dbombheh
02:12.33skel_homemaybe that'll help?
02:12.36dbombk
02:12.36dbombthanks
02:13.21dbombyeah, the 8600 is old world
02:13.43skel_home=/
02:14.07dbomb3.5 inch floppy is the regular size, right?
02:14.16dbombgah, I will just do I different installed methed
02:15.18skel_homebefore the kernel had better support.. I had to mount the cd and copy the kernel image off of it along with some yaboot stuff and then reboot into openfirmware and tell it to use that image to start up
02:15.40skel_homebut now it boots from cd and detects everything.. so it's been a couple years since I've done that
02:16.37dbombheh
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02:28.08dbombhmm, I think I should save this for the weekend
02:29.13dbombskel_home: thanks for the help
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03:34.48Hentaianyone around?
03:34.55Hentaisimonrvn you here?
03:35.14pahartikHentai: probably
03:36.39Hentaipahartik you know about quik?
03:37.15pahartikHentai: not much
03:37.22Hentaiyou know about the settings?
03:37.25Hentaior not
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03:42.23drewcoreso, i'm trying to set up x on this old ppc (9500/132). does anyone know what video driver i should use?
03:42.48Hentaidrewcore did that info help you?
03:43.04drewcoreyeah
03:43.08drewcorei can see the screenb
03:43.13Hentaialso drewcore can you do me a favor?
03:43.19drewcorewhats that?
03:43.22Hentairun this
03:43.25Hentainvsetenv
03:43.36drewcoredid it last night
03:43.44Hentaiand tell me what boot-fiel says on yours
03:43.50drewcoreoh ok
03:43.51drewcorehold on
03:43.53Hentaiand output device to
03:44.42Hentaithanks
03:45.41drewcoreboot device: /bandit/gc/mes/sdQ@0;0
03:45.56Hentaihmm
03:46.02Hentaiwonder
03:46.10Hentaihow about output-deivce
03:46.11Hentai?
03:46.12drewcoreoutput device /ATY,mach64
03:46.20Hentaiok
03:46.33Hentailets see
03:46.47Hentaiok what's use-nvramrc say?
03:47.23drewcorefalse
03:47.28Hentaiok
03:47.32Hentaithanks
03:47.34drewcorenp
03:47.56drewcorei gotta found out which x video drive to use for this old 9500 tho
03:48.14Hentaiyeah
03:48.18Hentaiodd
03:48.36drewcorei got text now, but i cant get x to fire up.
03:48.37Hentaihmm do you have a dir /ATY,mach64 ?
03:48.47Hentaior is it in
03:48.48drewcorehrmm... lemme check
03:49.14Hentai<PROTECTED>
03:49.47drewcorenah
03:50.07Hentaihmm
03:50.28Hentaican you do ls -l /proc/boot-tree/bandit/
03:50.34Hentaiand see if that's there?
03:51.29Hentaioh
03:51.31Hentaino wonder
03:51.38Hentaioh
03:51.40Hentaimaybe so
03:52.32drewcorehold on
03:52.38drewcoresorry, i was looking at some spec sheets
03:52.39Hentaiok
03:52.42Hentainp
03:53.02drewcoreno such file
03:53.20Hentaisorry
03:53.22Hentaido this
03:53.29Hentaican you do ls -l /proc/device-tree/bandit/
03:53.48Hentaisee if your ATY,mach64 is there
03:54.15drewcorenope
03:54.25Hentaiodd
03:54.31Hentaiso its mentioned in root?
03:54.34Hentaiodd
03:54.45drewcoreindeed
03:55.03Hentaithanks for the help
03:55.07drewcorenp
03:55.16Hentaix video driver? hmmm
03:55.23Hentaimach64 maybe?
03:55.39drewcoretried it, and it dies on me
03:55.54Hentaimaybe cause that's for the x86 version?
03:55.58Hentaidunno
03:56.58Hentaiwell
03:57.13HentaiI'll just set it to output-device video and see what gives
03:57.27drewcoregood louck man
03:57.31drewcoreluck, rather
03:57.46Hentailol
03:57.52Hentainone needed here
03:57.57Hentaiits trial and error
03:59.35Hentaidrewcore http://www.jonh.net/cgi-bin/lppcfom/fom?_recurse=1&file=455
04:08.23drewcoredo you think there some place where i need to download drivers for x on ppc?
04:08.47Hentaimaybe
04:09.01HentaiI would do a search for mach64 and ppc and x
04:10.20Hentaidrewcore you have a /boot in your isntall?
04:13.37drewcorewhat?
04:13.47drewcoresorr went to get food
04:13.52Hentaidrewcore you have a /boot in your isntall?
04:13.58Hentaidebian install
04:14.05drewcoreyeah
04:14.08Hentaiodd
04:14.27drewcorewhy?
04:14.51HentaiI don't
04:15.06drewcorethat is odd
04:15.10drewcorehold on a sec..
04:15.30drewcoreyeah
04:15.43drewcorei have one on this... it's ubuntu though... debian base.
04:15.44drewcorebased
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04:17.32Hentaiok drewcore
04:17.50drewcorewhat relase did you install?
04:17.54Hentaioh fudge
04:17.58Hentaithat's why
04:18.08Hentaibrb
04:20.24drewcoreyoud think that the x modules that i get with dselect are for ppc, right?
04:20.29drewcoreso shouldn't the video drivers?
04:26.35Hentaihmm
04:26.55Hentaisorry I'm not sure enoguh to make that judgement
04:27.12Hentaionce I get my thing to boot and I have X problems then I will
04:30.15skel_homeanyone know of any openoffice 2 beta apt sources?
04:30.30drewcorei know... i'm sorry dude
04:31.05Hentaiits ok
04:31.23Hentaiwere here to get info anyways
04:33.11drewcorei gotta go get my head straig
04:33.14drewcorestraight
04:33.17drewcorei'll be back later
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06:43.47keenanwhich powerbooks are supported: 5300, 1400, 3400?
06:44.11simonrvnanything that has an OF
06:44.26keenan0F?
06:44.36simonrvnopen firmware
06:44.51Hentaiyeah finally I figured that out
06:45.33Hentaisimonrvn will I see a /boot dunring install if I do ls / in ash?
06:45.58simonrvnit'll be in /target
06:46.12Hentaihmm
06:46.26keenanso the weird bus systems aren't a problem?
06:46.47simonrvn"weird bus systems"?
06:46.51Hentaiok
06:47.03Hentaiso it will be loaded drunin gbooup after install
06:47.12Hentaiso ,y boot-file would be
06:47.13keenani dunno, i heard something...
06:47.21Hentaimainly on eline for now
06:47.31Hentaimainly one line for now
06:49.01keenanthe woody installation manual says "nubus" systems - 1400, 2300, 5300 - aren't supported
06:49.31Hentaisimonrvn you think this will work?
06:49.32Hentaiboot-file /boot/vmlinux
06:49.47HentaiI think I forgot to add that yesterday
06:49.54simonrvnleave it blank, or put Linux there
06:50.14Hentaihmm
06:50.30Hentaiwhat about this
06:50.31Hentaiboot-file /boot/vmlinux root=/dev/hdaX video="atyfb:vmode:17:cmode:16"
06:50.37Hentaiit mentions video
06:50.55Hentaiyou think my maxtor would be fixed by adding it to it?
06:51.07HentaiI'll put linux in it
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07:23.28Hentaisimonrvn you said to "use-nvramrc? true" last time we talked why is that?
07:24.15simonrvnjust means that of is to use the patches in the nvramrc
07:24.54Hentaiok so there would be patches there...oh the moddifications I made to it
07:27.20Hentaihere goes again simonrvn
07:27.27Hentaihope it works
07:30.03Hentaiwell it didn't again
07:30.48simonrvni'd hit google at this point. add 'debian' to your keywords, you'll hit the debian lists a lot more
07:31.13simonrvnseems to be particularities with that kind of box, which i have no experience with
07:31.56Hentainp
07:32.11HentaiI'm gonna look for a ati mach64 for this box
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08:56.21drewcoreanyone know much about setting up x in oldworld?
08:59.35simonrvndpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
08:59.46drewcorei'll give that a shot
08:59.49jc-dentonhey there are people here
09:00.02jc-dentoncan i configure yeaboot with a timeout
09:00.10simonrvnalways. they don't always respond however
09:00.14jc-dentonso i dont have to hit enter to boot the default kernel
09:00.15simonrvnyes
09:00.24jc-dentonhwo?
09:00.25jc-dentonhow
09:00.41simonrvnman yaboot.conf
09:01.51drewcorehow, exactly, would i find my cards bus identifier?
09:02.13simonrvndon't need it on a single video device machine.
09:02.16jc-dentonsimonrvn: thx
09:02.28drewcoreit's asking me for it
09:02.42simonrvnit's wrong
09:02.50drewcore*grin*
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09:04.57drewcorexserver just dies and says it can't load any modules
09:07.07drewcorewhy won't it just read the freakin modules? and the drivers?
09:07.10drewcoregaaaah
09:07.29simonrvnbecause you aren't loading any
09:07.58drewcoreit wont' read the drivers... says it cant find em
09:08.57drewcorei'm going to bed... i'll just hit it with a hammer tomorrow (the monitor... i like ol
09:09.03drewcorebeige too much)
09:09.21simonrvnpaste in #flood what you find in /var/log/Free86.0.log
09:09.30simonrvn...
09:38.52pahartiksimonrvn: URL pointing to document would be much easier to read...
09:40.14simonrvnwell, i didn't bother finsihing what i was saying, since s/he left. what i was going to say in addition was any (EE) that s/he saw
09:40.29simonrvn...post it to #flood
09:42.25simonrvno_O
09:42.35simonrvnnever mind
09:44.22pahartiksimonrvn: seen it at least twice within few days on this channel: "URL" being called "link"
09:44.39simonrvnooh, i see
09:49.29ErRandirhow do i use the magic sysreq key on a powerbook? it's on in the kernel
09:50.35ErRandirdoc says alt-printscreen or alt-f13. No printscreen or f13 on my keyboard :(
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09:54.48pahartikErRandir: yes, it seems to be on <F13> on "Sun Type 5" keyboard... maybe you have to edit "/etc/console/boottime.kmap.gz" to get it?
09:57.00pahartikErRandir: but it could be deeper inside kernel... <Shift>-<F1> should be same as <F13>... does that work?
09:58.28simonrvnsh-alt-f1-h. wow
09:58.38simonrvnalt-sysrq help screen
09:58.48simonrvner, magic sysrq
10:00.16pahartiksimonrvn: ooh, i managed to figure out something useful? :)
10:01.17simonrvnoh, dunno if that will work, but yeh, the key combo would be something convoluted like that :)
10:01.38simonrvnmight have to hack the .c source
10:02.23ErRandirtrying all weird combinations with f1 now...
10:02.58simonrvnbe sure to be in console. you won't see it otherwise
10:03.15simonrvnshould see something like
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10:04.03simonrvnSysRq : HELP : loglevel0-8 reBoot tErm kIll saK showMem Nice showPc unRaw Sync showTasks Unmount Xmon
10:04.39simonrvnwhen you hit the proper combo with 'h'
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10:06.54ErRandiryeah, the /proc trigger works fine. will look at the kmap.
10:07.08simonrvncool
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10:55.05Q-FUNKare there any agregated statistics of all debian mirrors thta would show the "market share" of powerpc versus i386 and amd64?
11:02.46mirakis it possible to adjust the cache used for async mounting or is it kernel or fs module dependent ?
11:07.59Curaltongood point Q-FUNK, but maybe even that interferes with debian priviacy rules?
11:27.29Q-FUNKCuralton: there are anonymous statistics for some mirrors, but no aggregation that I can tell of.
11:33.08sk1p_http://popcon.debian.org/
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11:34.00Curalton"To participate in this survey, install the popularity-contest package."
11:34.06sk1p_yup
11:34.18Curaltonthe idea is to use serverside statistik on, say glibc installs
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12:16.25Q-FUNKhas the premept option become stable on powerpc, btw?
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12:31.35xulin-hi
12:31.48xulin-how make a apm -s on a mac cube ?
12:32.11MadkissI think something is wrong with latest Linux-BK.
12:32.22MadkissFiring up X11 leads to the cooler starting
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12:52.53jc-dentonxumacs use pmu
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16:10.31Curaltonhm, whats the debian way to install CPAN modules, i.e. get them into dpkg to not clutter usr/share/perl5/* ?
16:14.16Curaltonwhops, i was too lazy to stfw, http://wiki.debian.net/?PerlFAQ
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17:13.08ari_hrm, , rage128 pukes on X load to 'Cannot read V_BIOS(5)' ... any quick solution to fix ?
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17:39.25Bor_Edhmm, it was Option UseFBDev that was missing, got now around 400 fps against ~50 on voodoo3
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18:52.11chipianybody knows an URL with OSX vs Linux benchmark on an Apple machine? :)
18:52.34Bor_Edosnews could have some... or perhaps ibm developerworks
18:52.34jc-dentonlol
18:52.39jc-dentonlinux is faster anyway
18:53.29chipinot is for me, is for a work mate that wants info :)
18:53.41chipii know that linux performances is better :)
18:53.52Bor_Edyea, but osx is gheyer :P
18:54.09chipihehe.
18:54.28chipiif anybody knows any url, please contact me :-)
18:54.30Bor_Edcheck the couple of sites I told
18:54.33chipithanks :)
18:54.45chipiBor_Ed: i'm checking now :)
18:59.24jc-dentonnah it rocks
18:59.29jc-dentoni'm using it right now
19:05.03Curaltonwould certainly be interesting, share when you find something
19:05.13Curaltongcc vs. some apple compiler would be interesting
19:06.06johilldoes apple even have their own compilers? I had a feeling they're shipping gcc everywhere (xcode, ...)
19:06.29Curaltonhmm, some obj. c stuff came back from apple, yes
19:06.42Curaltonibm compilers maybe
19:07.36johillah obj. c, good point
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20:08.56grivellCuralton: It is GCC with Apple's patching.
20:10.06Curaltoneven the darwin kernel is compiled with it?
20:12.15grivellEverything.  Tiger I think will have some core libs compiled with IBM's compiler (I believe)
20:13.25Curaltonah, interesting. chipi: found urls about "linux vs. os x/darwin speed test on same hw" yet?
20:15.13grivellCuralton:  You might as well do the tests yourself.  Set up a benchmark that is common among the 2 os's.  mysql, openoffice?, etc.
20:16.02Curaltonwell, i have no darwin here and i'd guess the os x gui has some overhead
20:16.22Curaltonactually not even os x atm since i needed the space and will wait with the reinstall until tiger :)
20:33.49johillah freaks @ apple
20:35.59johillthis touchpad is really dumb
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23:38.02gobblessimon you home
23:38.34MadkissOn iBooks, how do you decrease the CPU speed manually?
23:47.06gobblesi had a perfectly working debian install, and i ran an osx bootcd to see if it would boot.  afterwrds quik is gone.  how can ifix it
23:48.20Madkissquik?
23:48.23MadkissWho is that?
23:48.48gobblesits not a who...its a what
23:49.35Madkissaha?
23:51.51johillgobbles: look on the web on how to boot quik from OF
23:58.11ErRandirgobbles, boot from the debian install cd. go to shell option, do your mounts and
23:58.20ErRandirreinstall quik (i guess...)
23:59.23gobblesi tried that once and it wont reinstall it
23:59.43gobblestheres a set of commands togive of to make it boot

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