| 00:04.47 | Hobart | I assure you I looked there before inconveniencing people on IRC |
| 00:04.53 | Hobart | :) |
| 00:09.37 | simonrvn | tells how to make a host.def file, and how to start the build, etc. |
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| 02:17.04 | Randall64 | Not that it matters a whole lot, does debian-ppc do multilib or have reasonable ATI support these days? |
| 02:17.56 | Hentai | where is the settings for the OF on old world macs held at? |
| 02:18.08 | Randall64 | nvram? |
| 02:19.43 | Hentai | k |
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| 06:07.56 | fluffy_wolf | blah. got what I believe to be barium sulfate all over my clothes. hopefully it's not too toxic. |
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| 06:46.33 | Petro | fluffy_wolf: I would look in my Chem book but I forgot it at school :( |
| 06:47.28 | Petro | How do I connect to Mac OS X comps without SMB? |
| 06:53.59 | flowtech | appletalk |
| 06:54.57 | Petro | is that what they use? with rendezvous? I thought that was deprecated after OS 9? |
| 06:55.54 | flowtech | haven't used os x in a couple of years, but appletalk should still be available |
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| 06:57.27 | Hydroxide | hey all. does anyone know if there has been progress made (or success achieved) in getting the ibook internal microphone to be usable under linux? |
| 06:58.15 | Hydroxide | or if anyone is working on it at all, even if they haven't made progress yet? |
| 06:58.15 | simonrvn | appletalk is still in use. we use nfs and afp at a org. near here |
| 06:58.17 | simonrvn | Hydroxide: alsa cvs maybe? |
| 07:02.11 | Hydroxide | simonrvn: heh, I had to switch away from alsa back to oss because it was giving me static instead of sound. has that been fixed? (ibook g3 dual usb 600 mhz from early 2002) |
| 07:02.45 | simonrvn | dunno, seems like it would be supported though. could be wrong |
| 07:03.04 | Hydroxide | simonrvn: I've never seen it supported, but I would love to be proved wrong |
| 07:03.24 | Hydroxide | or rather, proved that the situation has changed such that I am now wrong |
| 07:06.31 | Petro | What packages do I need to set up an NFS server? |
| 07:07.23 | simonrvn | kernel support, nfs server |
| 07:07.30 | simonrvn | @tell Petro -about search |
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| 07:28.43 | netbrain | my kernel has fucked. how can i rescue from OF or yaboot? |
| 07:29.41 | xbaez | use some live cd |
| 07:29.52 | netbrain | cdrom doesnt work |
| 07:29.59 | xbaez | ups ! |
| 07:30.18 | simonrvn | floppy boot |
| 07:31.34 | netbrain | havent got a floppy :D |
| 07:31.54 | simonrvn | then boot to some mock os install, and use bootx |
| 07:33.20 | benny_ | it's te easiest way? |
| 07:33.23 | benny_ | the |
| 07:33.30 | netbrain | i just startet yaboot installation kernel and switched to bash.. mounted my system.. and now i can fix |
| 07:33.49 | simonrvn | um, then you can use the install cd to boot from |
| 07:33.55 | simonrvn | if it boots with yaboot |
| 07:35.18 | netbrain | yeaH! worked :D |
| 07:38.04 | netbrain | hm. im compiling my own pcmcia-cs package.and it says when i compile that i need to enable PCMCIA. ok.. so i do this. then i reboot and then it comes a step further and says that it will not compile the modules since i have pcmcia enabled!.. WTF?! |
| 07:38.31 | simonrvn | i don't know |
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| 09:43.44 | Petro | Hey |
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| 12:12.09 | svenl | hi. |
| 12:12.18 | svenl | Anyone has experience with the Xserve machines ? |
| 12:12.55 | svenl | in particular knows if the hardware RAID or scsi cards offered as options are supported under linux ? |
| 12:13.00 | svenl | Or what models those are ? |
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| 12:17.56 | Randall64 | So how's the 64-bit support? Is it multilib? |
| 12:18.06 | svenl | Randall64: huh ? |
| 12:18.15 | svenl | what machine do you have ? |
| 12:18.25 | Randall64 | dual powermac G5 |
| 12:18.55 | Randall64 | ISTR there being an explicit ppc64 port, but I'm not finding it. |
| 12:19.08 | Randall64 | I assumed it got rolled into ppc with multilib |
| 12:21.55 | svenl | multilib ? |
| 12:21.58 | svenl | biarch you mean. |
| 12:22.23 | svenl | Randall64: i would wait for post-sarge, and then we will get something, or at worst there will be a separate offer in a month or two. |
| 12:22.27 | Randall64 | yeah |
| 12:23.00 | Randall64 | darn |
| 12:23.30 | svenl | the ppc64 port, it is just two guys rebuilding lot of stuff on alioth, they are not debian developers as far as i know, and they are doing the slower pure-64 thingy. |
| 12:23.45 | svenl | Randall64: do you really need ppc64 ? |
| 12:24.13 | svenl | Randall64: the support with the ppc32 stuff in debian should work just fine, and you can then self-compile your own kernel. |
| 12:24.17 | Randall64 | svenl: I can't think of a reason not to. |
| 12:26.45 | svenl | Randall64: the only reason really to go with ppc64 is for the huge database support and apps that need lot of memory. |
| 12:27.22 | svenl | This is not x86, where the crippled instruction set got a huge speedup with the amd64 extensions and the extra 8 registers. |
| 12:30.07 | svenl | BTW, do you per chance know what brand the apple HW SATA RAID or SCSI stuff is, and where their support for linux is ? |
| 12:30.08 | Randall64 | Yeah, I realize all that. |
| 12:30.09 | Randall64 | I already had to dump debian when I got an athlon64. |
| 12:30.09 | jaska | its a sin to run a 64bit cpu in 32bit-compat mode |
| 12:30.10 | svenl | jaska: it is a sin to run rpm stuff too :) |
| 12:30.12 | svenl | Randall64: there is semi official athlon64 support on the debian/alioth/amd64 project, and there is ubuntu. |
| 12:30.33 | jaska | svenl, agree with ou on the rpm stuff part :P |
| 12:30.44 | jaska | dont have a 64bit-capable cpu currently |
| 12:31.10 | jaska | non-apple ppc64 boxen cost a load and athlon64 motherboards are still rather raw. |
| 12:31.16 | svenl | jaska: especially as you can probably transparently apt-get upgrade the 32bit install you do today to a biarch 64bit stuff in a couple of weeks/month. |
| 12:31.37 | Randall64 | svenl: no bi-arch support |
| 12:31.40 | svenl | jaska: i have no major trouble with my asus A8V-Deluxe amd64 box. |
| 12:31.43 | svenl | 14:29 < Randall64> svenl: no bi-arch support |
| 12:32.10 | svenl | euh, sorry. |
| 12:32.18 | svenl | Randall64: there will be soon. |
| 12:32.44 | Randall64 | The debian way ;) |
| 12:32.50 | svenl | Randall64: we are hold back by the sarge pseudo-freeze, but i promise you that it will be something different a month from now. |
| 12:32.50 | Randall64 | "Just be patient." |
| 12:33.09 | jaska | i never cared a crap about the testing and stable series :) |
| 12:33.14 | svenl | either officially debian, or in experimental, or on a separate server. |
| 12:35.30 | svenl | Randall64: BTW, current ppc64 status is : redhat has some entreprise/ibm ppc64 stuff, as does Suze, YDL is rumored to have biarch stuff in YDL4, there are two debian unofficial projects, and then there is gentoo. |
| 12:38.16 | Randall64 | svenl: If you're keeping track, FC3 exists too |
| 12:38.30 | svenl | FC and redhat is mostly the same thing. |
| 12:38.33 | Randall64 | with new bootable G5 images! |
| 12:39.05 | Randall64 | It's going to be hard to download enterprise stuff for free afaik. |
| 12:39.26 | svenl | except from debian :) |
| 12:40.57 | Randall64 | which is incomplete |
| 12:41.11 | svenl | Randall64: for now. |
| 12:41.22 | Randall64 | for a long time now |
| 12:41.29 | svenl | Randall64: the release is at hand, and then things will get much faster. |
| 12:41.32 | Randall64 | I've been waiting on amd64 |
| 12:41.33 | svenl | Randall64: sure. |
| 12:41.44 | Randall64 | I rarely boot into linux on ppc anyway, so I'll probably reinstall later |
| 12:41.57 | svenl | Randall64: debian/amd64 has been available for over a year, just not in the main archive. |
| 12:42.12 | Randall64 | svenl: Yes, with no bi-arch support. |
| 12:43.03 | Randall64 | It's critical on that arch at least. |
| 12:43.03 | svenl | Randall64: no biarch support on the debian/amd64 thingy ? |
| 12:43.03 | Randall64 | svenl: nope |
| 12:43.03 | svenl | i don't knowi never tried this. |
| 12:43.03 | Randall64 | I tried to get by w/o it, but it's Bad Bad Bad. |
| 12:43.13 | svenl | what do you want to run lousy x86 binaries on amd64 anyway, if you really need such stuff, you can always install windows :) |
| 12:43.37 | Randall64 | As nice a thought as it is, a lot of open source stuff isn't 64-bit clean. |
| 12:43.49 | svenl | Randall64: yeah. |
| 12:43.51 | Randall64 | openoffice, mythtv, etc. |
| 12:44.15 | Randall64 | In another few years, I'll finally be able to run most stuff on my alphas! |
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| 12:45.46 | svenl | Randall64: that should be no major problem on ppc64 hardware though. |
| 12:46.26 | Randall64 | The lack of clean 64-bit code? |
| 12:47.06 | svenl | Randall64: the lack of 64bit support in openoffice, you just run it as 32bit app :) |
| 12:47.14 | Randall64 | I just noticed that the optical drive door on the G5 slides down instead of flopping out. |
| 12:47.23 | Randall64 | svenl: Sure, when we get bi-arch support :) |
| 12:47.44 | svenl | r |
| 12:47.47 | svenl | Randall64: nice. |
| 12:48.01 | Randall64 | slick |
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| 12:48.14 | svenl | Randall64: i am contemplating buying a Xserve G5 myself, adn set it up as a server somewhere. |
| 12:48.31 | svenl | Randall64: so you may see ppc64 support sooner than you think. |
| 13:03.55 | pahartik | Randall64: "most stuff" has worked on my Alpha for years... running Debian GNU/Linux |
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| 13:25.54 | Hentai | hi |
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| 17:06.08 | black_Nightmare | hey there |
| 17:07.01 | black_Nightmare | do the ppc kernel support dual processors well already I take it? |
| 17:08.44 | black_Nightmare | hrm |
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| 17:13.34 | Bor_Ed | naa, ppc has only some 16 bit stack over 8 bit cpu arch boosted with 32 bit subset which has 64 bit hacks ... or how was it on x86 :o |
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| 17:14.30 | dj-death | heh |
| 17:15.09 | Bor_Ed | was it 8088 or 8085 that's oldest cpu that ia_x64 runs ? |
| 17:15.46 | dj-death | no idea |
| 17:16.38 | Bor_Ed | I recall it goes way back to 70's anyway for the code compability... and ppc project was started in '91 iirc |
| 17:16.48 | Hentai | what? |
| 17:17.00 | Hentai | 1086 |
| 17:17.02 | Hentai | opps |
| 17:17.04 | Hentai | 8086 |
| 17:17.15 | Hentai | 80286 |
| 17:17.22 | Hentai | 80386 |
| 17:17.24 | Hentai | etc |
| 17:17.30 | Bor_Ed | where ya forgot 80186 and 8088 ? :P |
| 17:17.42 | Hentai | yeah |
| 17:17.43 | Hentai | :p |
| 17:18.01 | Bor_Ed | anyway, recalled that 808x is first supported on latest '64 bit x86' |
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| 17:18.21 | Hentai | maybe in 32bit mode still |
| 17:18.33 | Hentai | but I wouldn't think it in 64bit |
| 17:18.39 | Bor_Ed | nope, they're internal 16 bit, external 8 bit cpus (8088) |
| 17:18.45 | Hentai | oh yeah |
| 17:19.04 | Hentai | doubt it though |
| 17:19.08 | Bor_Ed | 64 bit set on x64 is just enchangement to code just like the translation from 386 to 486 |
| 17:19.24 | Hentai | x86_64 |
| 17:19.31 | Bor_Ed | the same |
| 17:19.32 | Hentai | not ia_64 |
| 17:19.38 | Hentai | err |
| 17:19.41 | Hentai | ia64 |
| 17:19.49 | Bor_Ed | amd and wintel have different naming scheme for same crap |
| 17:20.01 | Hentai | EMT64 for intels |
| 17:20.08 | Hentai | AMD64 for AMD |
| 17:20.22 | Hentai | anyways |
| 17:20.23 | Hentai | w\e |
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| 17:21.45 | Bor_Ed | they've 2 different trees on linux too with some weird names... |
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| 17:39.56 | Hentai | what dir is the linux kernel suppose to be in? |
| 17:40.40 | Bor_Ed | /boot |
| 17:41.05 | Hentai | odd |
| 17:41.15 | Hentai | what if I don't have that dir Bor_Ed? |
| 17:41.27 | Bor_Ed | then yer sys isn't booting to linux |
| 17:41.40 | Hentai | I figured that |
| 17:41.45 | Bor_Ed | :) |
| 17:41.45 | Hentai | how do I get it there? |
| 17:42.01 | Bor_Ed | install the kernel .deb and it'll go to correct place |
| 17:42.14 | Hentai | ok |
| 17:42.16 | Hentai | how? |
| 17:42.36 | Bor_Ed | apt-get install kernel-image-2.6 is the preferred way |
| 17:42.43 | Petro | dpkg -i kernel[...].deb |
| 17:42.52 | Petro | Is the manual way |
| 17:43.01 | Hentai | hmm |
| 17:43.09 | Hentai | well no net access |
| 17:43.15 | Hentai | so I will have to use the CD drive |
| 17:43.22 | Bor_Ed | apt-get uses cds as source from cd install |
| 17:43.30 | Hentai | also |
| 17:43.37 | Hentai | this is 2.2.20 kernel |
| 17:43.39 | Hentai | so |
| 17:43.46 | Hentai | kernel-image-2.2 |
| 17:43.52 | Bor_Ed | let me guess... woody install to oldworld mac ? |
| 17:44.01 | Hentai | yep |
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| 17:44.35 | Bor_Ed | the cd set ships with kernel-image-2.4 ... |
| 17:44.38 | Bor_Ed | try that |
| 17:44.40 | Hentai | well |
| 17:44.56 | Hentai | I'm using the 2.2.20 kerenl image I believe but will try |
| 17:45.24 | Hentai | any of this make sence? |
| 17:45.36 | Hentai | <Hentai> what dir is the linux kernel suppose to be in? |
| 17:45.36 | Hentai | <sjhill> /usr/src usually |
| 17:45.36 | Hentai | <Hentai> not gentoo |
| 17:45.36 | Hentai | <Hentai> sorry meant debian |
| 17:45.36 | Hentai | <Wormo> yes debian too |
| 17:45.37 | Hentai | *** Part: Ticho (ticho@ticho.developer.gentoo) |
| 17:45.39 | Hentai | <Wormo> but it installs as a tar.bz2, you have to unpack it |
| 17:45.41 | Hentai | <Wormo> you're doing that oldworld box? |
| 17:45.43 | Hentai | <Hentai> yes |
| 17:46.29 | Bor_Ed | umm... just use prebuilt one... it's pretty well optimized for the oldworld boxes and if you try to compile a new kernel, you'd need to upgrade at least to sarge |
| 17:46.48 | Hentai | ok |
| 17:47.00 | Hentai | well |
| 17:47.15 | Hentai | Bor_Ed you mind telling me how to compile the kernel anyways? |
| 17:47.19 | Hentai | just for kicks? |
| 17:48.26 | Bor_Ed | I tend to do the thing with make-kpkg helper app... I download the source tree or let apt to do that, conf with make menuconfig and shoot the make-kpkg up |
| 17:48.49 | Hentai | what? |
| 17:48.55 | Hentai | oh great |
| 17:49.08 | Hentai | can't I just like unzip and compile it? |
| 17:49.11 | Hentai | or something |
| 17:49.43 | Bor_Ed | well yea, but that's pretty time consuming and doesn't keep the sys integry necessarily |
| 17:50.04 | Hentai | oh |
| 17:50.08 | Hentai | well |
| 17:50.15 | Hentai | still what would I have to do? |
| 17:50.39 | Bor_Ed | get network connection, upgrade to sarge and install recent kernel |
| 17:51.16 | Hentai | ok |
| 17:51.42 | Hentai | I'll install a predone kerenl from CD |
| 17:51.52 | Bor_Ed | it should work ok |
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| 17:57.21 | Hentai | o |
| 17:57.21 | Hentai | k |
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| 18:59.12 | DarkNoise` | http://cam.drkns.net/ |
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| 19:25.31 | flowtech | DarkNoise`: jo, what are we about to see? |
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| 19:34.43 | DarkNoise` | nothong now, housemates are watching godfather and loghts off |
| 19:34.54 | DarkNoise` | and im drunk anf gouing to bed |
| 19:36.03 | DarkNoise` | dont worry, he wil make him an offer he cant refuse lol |
| 19:36.10 | DarkNoise` | later haters |
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| 19:58.55 | Hentai | Hey guys |
| 20:01.53 | Petro | Hey |
| 20:01.58 | DarkNoise` | hey |
| 20:02.05 | Hentai | whats up? |
| 20:02.11 | DarkNoise` | cam.drkns.net is up |
| 20:02.20 | DarkNoise` | live stream of our lounge room |
| 20:02.26 | Hentai | ok |
| 20:02.28 | DarkNoise` | live pic every 30 secs |
| 20:02.31 | Petro | manually installing .deb's from a usb key because stupid ethernet card won't work |
| 20:02.59 | DarkNoise` | lol |
| 20:03.02 | DarkNoise` | im going to bed now |
| 20:03.07 | DarkNoise` | im tooo ddrunk |
| 20:03.09 | Hentai | lol |
| 20:03.09 | Petro | we can see that lol |
| 20:03.14 | DarkNoise` | watch my housemates watch the godfather |
| 20:03.20 | DarkNoise` | nar im not upstaris :P |
| 20:03.25 | Petro | Oh, I thought that was you |
| 20:03.29 | DarkNoise` | thats my housemates sparks and ben |
| 20:03.41 | DarkNoise` | nah u can tell me, i got blue hait |
| 20:03.44 | DarkNoise` | *hair |
| 20:03.50 | Petro | they're a bit too close for comfort, or are australians just like that? |
| 20:04.10 | DarkNoise` | there drunk and asleep, plus sparks gf is just pout of view, she hates the camera |
| 20:04.42 | DarkNoise` | plus its 6am |
| 20:04.50 | Petro | oh lol "big brother is watching" |
| 20:04.55 | DarkNoise` | anyway, later guys im going to bed |
| 20:04.59 | DarkNoise` | yeh thats the idea |
| 20:05.00 | DarkNoise` | late |
| 20:05.01 | DarkNoise` | r |
| 20:05.26 | Petro | later |
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| 20:20.32 | knife|pbook | http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=8068145§ion=news |
| 20:25.03 | Curalton | that the pope is dead? |
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