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| 03:59.36 | offroadgeek | anyone know where I can download a debian bootdisk.img file? (I'm trying to burn a bootable debian install cd) |
| 04:06.38 | pahartik | offroadgeek: http://www.nl.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 04:09.43 | offroadgeek | pahartik: thanks |
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| 05:00.36 | gobbles | does this look right ? boot-device /pci/mac-io/mesh/sd@0,0,\\:tbxi |
| 05:00.48 | Hentai | woah |
| 05:00.53 | Hentai | somehow not to me |
| 05:01.16 | gobbles | the \\:tbxi is a lil fishy isnt it |
| 05:01.40 | Hentai | yeah |
| 05:02.01 | gobbles | whats your boot-file set to ? or is it blank ? |
| 05:02.30 | Hentai | let me check |
| 05:02.35 | Hentai | my HDD is on ata though |
| 05:02.41 | simonrvn | no |
| 05:02.54 | simonrvn | remove the ,\\:tbxi |
| 05:03.16 | Hentai | boot-device /bandit/ohare/ATA/ATA-Disk@0:0 is mine |
| 05:03.37 | gobbles | should boot-file be blank ? |
| 05:03.48 | Hentai | don't think so |
| 05:03.54 | Hentai | hmm |
| 05:04.25 | gobbles | is there anything that opens a dmg in debian ? |
| 05:04.34 | Hentai | huh? |
| 05:04.41 | gobbles | .dmg |
| 05:04.50 | simonrvn | dunno |
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| 05:05.09 | simonrvn | boot-file blank or label= name |
| 05:05.13 | knife | Hentai: you cant, if you're talking about the NT 4 PPC version |
| 05:05.17 | gobbles | im getting enemy territory .dmg |
| 05:05.22 | knife | it was made for IBM PowerPC workstations |
| 05:05.28 | Hentai | knife do you know why exactly not? |
| 05:05.49 | gobbles | thanks simon |
| 05:05.59 | knife | i dont know exactly why it doesnt work, im just guessing hardware differences |
| 05:06.00 | Hentai | yeah that's what everyone says ok just how what's it seactly made for it? |
| 05:06.12 | simonrvn | gobbles: by label= name i mean what's set for label= in your bootloader's conf |
| 05:06.33 | knife | im just pretty sure that IBM PowerPC workstations are a lot different than Apple's systems |
| 05:06.45 | Hentai | no one said not to try but |
| 05:06.54 | Hentai | what's a way to slow down dmsg? |
| 05:07.02 | knife | use 'dmesg | more' |
| 05:07.02 | Hentai | I can't read it to fast for me |
| 05:07.04 | simonrvn | pipe it through a pager |
| 05:07.07 | gobbles | ie linux or Linux2 as in quik.conf ? |
| 05:07.20 | simonrvn | the first one mentioned |
| 05:07.29 | gobbles | or more like /boot/vmlinux |
| 05:07.35 | Hentai | also |
| 05:07.39 | simonrvn | unless you want quik 2.1 to boot the second one, then use that one |
| 05:07.43 | Hentai | how come debian didn't install my kernel? |
| 05:07.54 | Hentai | I see no /boot dir |
| 05:08.05 | Hentai | maybe that's the reson I can't boot debian |
| 05:08.09 | simonrvn | so install one |
| 05:08.21 | Hentai | yeah figures |
| 05:08.30 | Hentai | just isn't suppose to install one? |
| 05:08.33 | Hentai | wondering |
| 05:08.38 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:08.58 | simonrvn | yes, unless something you missed or something bad happened |
| 05:09.06 | Hentai | odd |
| 05:09.19 | Hentai | didn't hear and I swear I didn't miss anything |
| 05:09.31 | Hentai | I even used a CD media to install my system |
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| 05:09.40 | gobbles | nvsetenv is a handy tool |
| 05:09.50 | Hentai | indeed gobbles |
| 05:10.12 | Hentai | thanks Knife for the dmsg thing |
| 05:10.19 | Hentai | aprecciate it |
| 05:10.24 | simonrvn | ok, back to writing this script / learning ruby |
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| 05:11.56 | Hentai | hmm |
| 05:12.08 | Hentai | fb0 mean frame buffer 0? |
| 05:12.23 | simonrvn | yes |
| 05:12.43 | Hentai | and would MacOS display is /valkyrie have anything to do with the card? |
| 05:12.45 | Hentai | vid card |
| 05:13.57 | Hentai | odd |
| 05:14.33 | Hentai | fb0: Open Firmware frame buffer device 104x39 |
| 05:14.52 | Hentai | fb1: MATROX VGA frame buffere device |
| 05:16.02 | Hentai | hmm |
| 05:16.44 | Hentai | haha |
| 05:16.47 | Hentai | I found it |
| 05:16.51 | Hentai | dir as |
| 05:17.08 | Hentai | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:17.14 | Hentai | man I |
| 05:17.18 | Hentai | man I'm stupid |
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| 06:18.25 | fluffy_wolf | muwahah! I've figured out what I need to do. I need to design the website of a fake bank. |
| 06:20.41 | fluffy_wolf | Various nigerian diplomats and their associates need my bank account number and password to help free funds from their corrupt government. Thus, I can give each and every one of them my completely random "account number", password, and the URL of my "bank". Upon their inevitable logging in, they will be presented with a fake bank statement, showing many multi-thousand dollar transactions and a balance in the area of $1,000,000, |
| 06:21.58 | fluffy_wolf | Then, when the inevitable "please wire us $15,000 to bribe a corrupt official" request comes through, I tell them I'll have my bank send the money for me. Upon logging in, they will see the $15,000 withdrawal made from the account, with details of it being sent to them. |
| 06:22.39 | fluffy_wolf | A day later, my "bank" emails them, saying that in order to send the $15,000 overseas, the recipitent needs to pay a $75 transfer fee... |
| 06:41.10 | simonrvn | defrauding the fraudsters? :) |
| 06:41.49 | fluffy_wolf | yep |
| 06:41.58 | fluffy_wolf | bbl, need sleep. :) |
| 06:42.43 | simonrvn | g'night |
| 06:42.54 | Hentai | where would my kernel source be at? |
| 06:43.12 | simonrvn | where you put it |
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| 07:02.11 | Hentai | um I have no Idea simonrvn |
| 07:02.28 | simonrvn | how did you download it? |
| 07:02.58 | Hentai | well |
| 07:03.12 | Hentai | used CD media for the system install |
| 07:03.21 | Hentai | used boot floppys to start install |
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| 07:05.44 | Hentai | so simonrvn |
| 07:05.59 | Hentai | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:06.28 | simonrvn | too hard removing '/target' from that? |
| 07:06.51 | Hentai | no would that be where my kernel source is? |
| 07:06.57 | Hentai | but then again |
| 07:07.04 | Hentai | nothing seems to be in there |
| 07:07.18 | simonrvn | no sources are installed in the base install |
| 07:07.30 | Hentai | ok |
| 07:08.12 | Hentai | so I need to mount Cd and copy over a precompile kernel? |
| 07:08.13 | simonrvn | you can apt-get one once you've chrooted |
| 07:08.21 | Hentai | wait minute |
| 07:08.23 | Hentai | lets see |
| 07:08.26 | Hentai | mount CD |
| 07:08.39 | Hentai | chroot into what though.......crap |
| 07:08.53 | simonrvn | forget the cd. set up your networ and get one from a mirror. run base-config |
| 07:09.00 | Hentai | I can't |
| 07:09.11 | Hentai | I can't use the netwrok now |
| 07:09.16 | simonrvn | why? |
| 07:09.22 | Hentai | no cord |
| 07:09.39 | Hentai | I will try to get it fixed though |
| 07:09.40 | Hentai | brb |
| 07:09.50 | simonrvn | what cd is this, sarge? and when was it fetched/burned/etc? |
| 07:10.08 | Hentai | believe stable |
| 07:10.09 | Hentai | woody |
| 07:10.15 | Hentai | from 2002 I think |
| 07:10.25 | simonrvn | it's gonna be too full of root holes to be useful |
| 07:10.39 | Hentai | oh great |
| 07:10.45 | Hentai | ok get network cable |
| 07:10.46 | simonrvn | hrm, s/ to be useful// |
| 07:11.03 | Hentai | brb |
| 07:15.16 | Hentai | simonrvn network up |
| 07:15.42 | Hentai | so |
| 07:16.23 | simonrvn | re-read ^^ "... run base-config" |
| 07:17.09 | Hentai | err |
| 07:17.15 | Hentai | base install |
| 07:19.02 | Hentai | wait a minute |
| 07:19.21 | Hentai | you mean base-config as in install kernel and driver modules? |
| 07:19.25 | Hentai | or as in base install |
| 07:19.47 | simonrvn | exactly what i typed... you run that |
| 07:19.51 | Hentai | well |
| 07:19.57 | Hentai | I type that in ash |
| 07:19.58 | Hentai | and got |
| 07:20.01 | Hentai | no such thing |
| 07:20.13 | simonrvn | um, chroot first... |
| 07:21.00 | Hentai | chroot /? |
| 07:21.27 | simonrvn | did you already? from the booted floppy |
| 07:21.38 | Hentai | yeah |
| 07:21.44 | Hentai | I did this |
| 07:21.46 | Hentai | chroot / |
| 07:21.49 | Hentai | but |
| 07:21.54 | Hentai | I can't run base-config |
| 07:21.57 | simonrvn | no point in doing that |
| 07:22.01 | Hentai | base-config: not found |
| 07:22.13 | simonrvn | you're *already* in / |
| 07:22.51 | Hentai | ok |
| 07:22.51 | simonrvn | exit from that, then make sure the install is mounted on /target, then chroot /target /bin/bash |
| 07:23.17 | Hentai | ok |
| 07:23.32 | Hentai | now run base-config? |
| 07:23.37 | simonrvn | yes |
| 07:26.14 | Hentai | oh crap |
| 07:26.36 | Hentai | anyone want to stick there /etc/apt/sources.list up here for me to copy? |
| 07:26.46 | simonrvn | use this: |
| 07:27.13 | Hentai | ok |
| 07:27.22 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:27.31 | simonrvn | deb-src ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib |
| 07:27.38 | simonrvn | deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US/ testing/non-US main contrib |
| 07:27.44 | simonrvn | deb-src http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US/ testing/non-US main contrib |
| 07:28.46 | Hentai | just like that |
| 07:29.15 | simonrvn | yes. with '# comments if you like' |
| 07:29.25 | simonrvn | # starts a comment |
| 07:29.26 | Hentai | ok |
| 07:29.29 | Hentai | understand |
| 07:29.53 | Hentai | sorry to bother you so much with my newness to this |
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| 07:32.58 | simonrvn | hi jaska |
| 07:34.49 | Hentai | done |
| 07:35.47 | simonrvn | what did the base-config do so far? |
| 07:36.15 | Hentai | well |
| 07:36.23 | Hentai | I have no timezone dir |
| 07:36.36 | Hentai | and I had to put in apt-get sources |
| 07:36.48 | Hentai | now its ...... |
| 07:36.54 | Hentai | was doing something |
| 07:37.05 | Hentai | REplacing avaibale packages |
| 07:37.09 | Hentai | info |
| 07:37.11 | simonrvn | what did you do? |
| 07:37.20 | Hentai | me nothing? |
| 07:37.31 | Hentai | I just added the sources |
| 07:37.33 | Hentai | and exited |
| 07:37.35 | simonrvn | i mean, the only reason that it would be missing shit like that is because you missed a step or 3 |
| 07:37.54 | Hentai | but I didn't miss any of those steps |
| 07:39.13 | simonrvn | ok, is /etc/fstab configured? what kind of partition scheme do you have? do you have an /etc/network/interfaces file, with useful stuff in it? WHAT DID YOU DO TO MESS THIS UP? |
| 07:39.49 | Hentai | lets see |
| 07:39.59 | Hentai | well |
| 07:40.04 | Hentai | I have three partitions |
| 07:40.21 | simonrvn | do mount -a |
| 07:40.22 | Hentai | apple map partition |
| 07:40.32 | Hentai | ok? |
| 07:40.41 | Hentai | what does that do? |
| 07:40.51 | simonrvn | it'll tell you if anything is in /etc/fstab |
| 07:41.01 | Hentai | guess not |
| 07:41.11 | simonrvn | (but not pouking and just mounting what's supposed to be mounted) |
| 07:41.16 | simonrvn | s/but/by/ |
| 07:41.24 | Hentai | well |
| 07:41.28 | Hentai | my swap |
| 07:41.33 | Hentai | and linux native |
| 07:41.37 | Hentai | should be mounted |
| 07:41.51 | Hentai | hda2 and hda3 |
| 07:41.58 | simonrvn | swap isn't mounted. "linux native" means nothing in this context |
| 07:42.12 | simonrvn | swapon /dev/foo does that |
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| 07:43.02 | Tech^salvager | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:43.10 | Tech^salvager | current thins mounted |
| 07:43.57 | simonrvn | @install guide |
| 07:43.58 | ravenbird | hmm... install guide is http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/ or http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst or if you're totally clueless read http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=2016&page=1 too |
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| 07:55.44 | t | hi |
| 07:55.48 | t | I'm back |
| 07:55.58 | Tech^ | well it looks like the kernel is ther |
| 07:56.00 | Tech^ | e |
| 07:56.02 | Tech^ | oh yeah simonrvn |
| 07:56.10 | Tech^ | base-config: 99inittab exited with return code 1 |
| 07:57.47 | Tech^ | oh |
| 07:57.48 | simonrvn | once base-config is finished do ls -l /etc/inittab, and tell me the size |
| 07:57.52 | Tech^ | ok |
| 07:58.11 | simonrvn | (just to make sure you have one) |
| 07:58.32 | Tech^ | can't see size |
| 07:58.45 | Tech^ | 2002? |
| 07:58.57 | simonrvn | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3036 2004-09-04 18:29 /etc/inittab # size is the 3036 |
| 07:59.19 | Tech^ | see no sixe |
| 07:59.24 | Tech^ | size |
| 07:59.29 | Tech^ | here's what I see |
| 08:00.08 | Tech^ | -ra-are--are-- 1 root root 2008 May 29 2002 /etc/inittab |
| 08:00.24 | simonrvn | 2008 is the size |
| 08:00.40 | Hentai | ok |
| 08:05.17 | Tech^salvager | so |
| 08:05.25 | Tech^salvager | guess the kernel ins't installed |
| 08:06.14 | simonrvn | less /etc/network/interfaces # what 'auto' statements do you see? |
| 08:08.21 | Tech^salvager | none |
| 08:09.03 | Tech^salvager | less: command not found |
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| 08:09.10 | Tech^salvager | any ls ing it |
| 08:09.16 | Tech^salvager | just shows |
| 08:09.27 | Tech^salvager | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:09.50 | simonrvn | oh yeh sorry, use more |
| 08:10.12 | Tech^salvager | auto lo |
| 08:10.19 | Tech^salvager | auto eth0 |
| 08:11.24 | simonrvn | ok, what's the rest of eth0 say? |
| 08:11.24 | simonrvn | a[A[B[A[B |
| 08:11.34 | simonrvn | FUCK |
| 08:13.27 | pahartik | simonrvn: i can see that |
| 08:13.29 | Tech^salvager | ok |
| 08:13.39 | Tech^salvager | auto eth0 |
| 08:13.48 | Tech^salvager | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 08:13.55 | simonrvn | pahartik: see what? :) |
| 08:14.10 | simonrvn | ok, just means you get your network shit via dhcp |
| 08:14.37 | pahartik | simonrvn: some "banging" |
| 08:14.42 | Tech^salvager | wtf? |
| 08:14.45 | Tech^salvager | I knew that |
| 08:14.49 | simonrvn | hehe :) |
| 08:15.04 | simonrvn | you can just hook up with dhclient-2.2 eth0 |
| 08:15.21 | Tech^salvager | ok |
| 08:15.25 | simonrvn | then run dselect, from start to finish |
| 08:15.34 | simonrvn | hm, 2 to 6 |
| 08:15.40 | simonrvn | never mind step 1 |
| 08:16.07 | Tech^salvager | hookup with dhclient? |
| 08:16.12 | Tech^salvager | oh crap |
| 08:16.17 | Tech^salvager | dunno what you mean |
| 08:16.27 | simonrvn | connect to the modem or dhcp server on your "router" |
| 08:16.27 | Tech^salvager | apt-get it or something?> |
| 08:16.32 | Tech^salvager | I am |
| 08:16.49 | simonrvn | 'dhclient-2.2 eth0' is the command |
| 08:17.17 | Tech^salvager | uh huh |
| 08:17.19 | Tech^salvager | well |
| 08:17.23 | Tech^salvager | cmmand not found |
| 08:18.15 | simonrvn | try dhclient then |
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| 08:18.53 | simonrvn | better yet, just do /etc/init.d/networking start |
| 08:19.17 | Tech^salvager | dhclient eth0 worked |
| 08:19.22 | simonrvn | ok |
| 08:19.28 | Tech^salvager | dselect |
| 08:19.35 | Tech^salvager | doing now |
| 08:20.09 | simonrvn | might be a while once the install is started. looks like you're missing a shitload of stuff |
| 08:21.20 | Petro | Do standard PC pci cards work on PPC Linux (ie firewire, ethernet) |
| 08:21.52 | Tech^salvager | vid cards don't |
| 08:22.08 | Tech^salvager | simonrvn thanks for everything |
| 08:22.15 | simonrvn | eth might if the driver is there and fw same reason. then you might have some incompatibilties, that would say, freeze the machine |
| 08:22.19 | simonrvn | ok |
| 08:23.03 | Tech^salvager | you could say like try to flash the bios on a vid card to a bios for a mac version of it |
| 08:23.11 | Tech^salvager | that way you could use it on a mac |
| 08:23.15 | Tech^salvager | but that's 1 way |
| 08:23.40 | simonrvn | i have a peecee eth card in this thing, plus a supposedly mac one |
| 08:24.16 | Petro | I wanted to add another eth card so I could use my G3 as a router/firewall |
| 08:24.39 | simonrvn | know the chipset? |
| 08:26.48 | Tech^salvager | will a 8129 realtek work? |
| 08:27.02 | Tech^salvager | seems like their everywhere |
| 08:27.57 | simonrvn | i wouldn't put that POC anywhere near any of my boxen |
| 08:28.27 | Tech^salvager | I knew it |
| 08:28.41 | Tech^salvager | I just knew you were gonna say that |
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| 08:34.30 | pahartik | simonrvn: me neither... |
| 08:36.04 | pahartik | Petro: for example Intel EtherExpress e100 and e1000 have proven to work well on my OldWorld PowerMacintosh |
| 08:36.45 | Petro | Ill head down to the comp store tomorow and see what they have |
| 08:37.01 | Petro | I dont think 1000Mbit is worth it in my setup though |
| 08:39.33 | Tech^salvager | I'm cheap |
| 08:42.03 | pahartik | Petro: performance on both was equally good, on PowerMacintosh 7500 (with PowerPC 604e) setup 1000 megabit EtherExpress did not give any advantage over 100 megabit EtherExpress... |
| 08:42.53 | simonrvn | tulip with NAPI enabled++ |
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| 10:45.07 | delire | anyone confirm (possibly vacuous) rumours that IBM plan to release a range of PPC laptops? |
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| 10:47.09 | gobbles | what do i change in my sources list to get sid instead of sarge ? |
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| 10:47.58 | Bor_Ed | change 'testing' to 'unstable' |
| 10:48.35 | delire | gobbles: in vim you can :s/testing/unstable/100 |
| 10:48.40 | gobbles | strange, i have unstable |
| 10:48.50 | gobbles | and vlc still wont run right |
| 10:48.57 | delire | what about under 'main'? |
| 10:49.18 | gobbles | unstable/main |
| 10:49.27 | delire | hmm |
| 10:49.35 | delire | gobbles: what's up with vlc? |
| 10:49.39 | gobbles | and my ide seems to be taking a crap on me topo |
| 10:49.56 | gobbles | it crashes, something about glx core |
| 10:50.27 | Bor_Ed | glx is X driver |
| 10:50.28 | delire | gobbles: paste the error in #flood or if it's a one liner do it here |
| 10:50.38 | gobbles | just a sec |
| 10:50.45 | delire | gobbles: it is looking for a *.so? |
| 10:52.07 | gobbles | see that |
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| 10:52.57 | gobbles | dig this too. i have boot-device /pci/mac-io/mesh/sd@0,0,\\:txbi |
| 10:53.18 | gobbles | if i remove ,\\:txbi it wont boot |
| 10:54.05 | gobbles | even when it will boot i have to ctrl + OPT + O + F and type boot manualy |
| 10:54.28 | delire | <-- i don't run debian on a ppc |
| 10:54.36 | delire | here to ask about something else.. :| |
| 10:55.27 | gobbles | and every other boot my ide drive takes a dump and i have to turn it completely off and go into of and type boot...even then i sometimes get "enter root password or press ctrl + D" |
| 10:56.01 | gobbles | im just typing away. simonrvn is god of this stuff |
| 10:56.37 | delire | true, he's been running debianppc for years. i only did so for a few months. |
| 10:57.02 | gobbles | no disrespect intended :) |
| 10:57.23 | delire | none taken .. |
| 11:01.47 | gobbles | i bet its a pain though...being half god and all |
| 11:04.02 | delire | yes, surely it comes with demanding metaphysical responsibilities.. |
| 11:04.51 | delire | anyway, out.. |
| 11:04.52 | gobbles | well i meant running this chan |
| 11:04.57 | gobbles | hasta |
| 11:05.04 | delire | luego |
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| 11:07.36 | Nichotin | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:07.42 | Nichotin | what package is that in? |
| 11:07.59 | Nichotin | it is supposed to be in /usr/include/X11, but it is not there. |
| 11:08.16 | gobbles | wasabe nich |
| 11:08.23 | gobbles | rootin scootin bootin |
| 11:08.50 | gobbles | how is oslow |
| 11:09.03 | Nichotin | oslo is hot today |
| 11:09.18 | gobbles | this is kelly / misunderstood |
| 11:09.43 | Nichotin | yeah. I noticed that when you went scootin rootin der kablooey goflyin |
| 11:09.44 | Nichotin | :( |
| 11:09.46 | Nichotin | :) |
| 11:09.52 | gobbles | thats right |
| 11:09.53 | gobbles | hehe |
| 11:10.08 | Nichotin | you have /usr/include/X11/Xlibint.h on your system? |
| 11:10.09 | gobbles | yer system pissin ya off too eh |
| 11:10.19 | Nichotin | I am trying to get DRI to work on mach64 |
| 11:10.22 | gobbles | ill look, i use unstable |
| 11:10.37 | Bor_Ed | ari@g3:~$ locate Xlibint.h |
| 11:10.37 | Bor_Ed | /usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xlibint.h |
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| 11:11.16 | Nichotin | Yeah. I am going to slap in sarge with the netinstall soon now. |
| 11:11.16 | Nichotin | Bor_Ed: any chance to check what package has it? |
| 11:11.16 | Nichotin | I need the file to be able to compile mesa, I want mach64_dri.so |
| 11:11.21 | gobbles | i dont have it either |
| 11:11.22 | Bor_Ed | hmm, now if I recall the dpkg command for that... |
| 11:12.08 | Bor_Ed | ari@g3:~$ dpkg -S Xlibint.h |
| 11:12.08 | Bor_Ed | libx11-dev: /usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xlibint.h |
| 11:12.21 | Nichotin | ah. thank you |
| 11:12.24 | Bor_Ed | no prob |
| 11:12.38 | gobbles | dpkg -S new_life |
| 11:12.53 | gobbles | :) |
| 11:12.56 | Nichotin | :D |
| 11:13.17 | Nichotin | Debian is real great on ppc |
| 11:13.23 | Bor_Ed | yup |
| 11:13.27 | Nichotin | chugging away on all my oldworlds |
| 11:13.32 | gobbles | i wish there was a way to fill in all the holes in the install |
| 11:13.40 | Nichotin | Havent got time to wait four days to compile some shit. |
| 11:13.48 | Bor_Ed | I have 1 oldworld box running mockos 9.1 ... setting that for kid |
| 11:13.53 | gobbles | rotflmao |
| 11:14.24 | gobbles | im about to start a nubus install soon, assuming i can find a drive larger than 700 mb |
| 11:14.27 | Nichotin | When I found them in the dumpster at my school, they had 9.1, with photoshop and all |
| 11:14.36 | Nichotin | ah. nubus. |
| 11:15.08 | gobbles | it has 9.1 on it...cant be too bad |
| 11:15.17 | Nichotin | I have a 8600/512mb ram/400g4 upgrade, 7100/233 g3 upgrade and a beige desktop g3 266 mhz |
| 11:15.43 | Nichotin | I had a 6500 too, but it went out to lunch and never came back |
| 11:15.53 | gobbles | i need some g3 zif processors |
| 11:16.00 | Bor_Ed | I have beige g3/233, 4400/200 and 8200/120 |
| 11:16.24 | Bor_Ed | and been looking for a powerbook for ages |
| 11:16.35 | Nichotin | the beige g3 is faster than 8600, even though it has the 400 mhz g4 upgrade |
| 11:16.43 | Nichotin | slow bus "/(!::=©¡¨¢¯:!";:;:!! |
| 11:16.46 | gobbles | i saw some old ones with monochrome screens |
| 11:16.53 | gobbles | 10 bucks each |
| 11:17.02 | Bor_Ed | g3 can go up to 83 MHz FSB if you have good ram sticks |
| 11:17.26 | Nichotin | How you boot your oldworlds? I use a small hfs partition with Disk Tools Floppy and bootx |
| 11:17.30 | gobbles | can you really over clock them reliably though ? |
| 11:18.00 | Bor_Ed | I ran this at 292 MHz without heatsink... now that spring finally came here, I had to drop back to 233 |
| 11:18.16 | Bor_Ed | I boot with bootx from mockos, I've had standalone quik setups too though |
| 11:18.25 | gobbles | i use the woody hfs boot floppy and change my sources.list |
| 11:19.07 | hellais | can anyone tell me a os emulator for ppc |
| 11:19.07 | gobbles | but my way requires a scsi hdd |
| 11:19.13 | hellais | ? |
| 11:19.32 | Nichotin | Bor_Ed: yeah, I was doing that in the beginning, but it took too much space. And then I found the disk tools floppy, which contains a minimal mac os 8.5 |
| 11:19.34 | gobbles | virtual pc |
| 11:19.46 | gobbles | MOL |
| 11:19.59 | gobbles | VMware |
| 11:20.06 | Bor_Ed | Nichotin, I know about that... though I use mockos every now and then for some kids games (shockwave thingies) |
| 11:20.12 | Nichotin | qemu |
| 11:20.16 | Nichotin | aha |
| 11:20.37 | hellais | qemu |
| 11:20.38 | Nichotin | if you want a fps for mac os 9.1, you can get marathon |
| 11:20.42 | hellais | thats the onbe |
| 11:20.43 | gobbles | anyone know how to open a dmg in linux or mock os 9.1 ? |
| 11:20.44 | hellais | thats the one |
| 11:20.46 | hellais | thanx |
| 11:20.55 | Nichotin | it was released full version some time ago |
| 11:20.58 | gobbles | enemy territory is calling |
| 11:21.19 | Bor_Ed | the voodoo3/200 and rage128GS aren't really up for new fps games, guake runs ok though |
| 11:21.25 | Nichotin | I was really lucky to find so much ram for the 8600 |
| 11:21.38 | Nichotin | if it runs quake, marathon will run fine |
| 11:21.57 | gobbles | you tellin me WOLF ET wont run ? |
| 11:22.16 | Nichotin | http://trilogyrelease.bungie.org/ |
| 11:22.34 | Bor_Ed | I have only 601/120 on pure mockos box so it's a bit tight call even to run quake and doom |
| 11:23.42 | gobbles | whats marathon? |
| 11:25.02 | Nichotin | first person shooter, similar to doom |
| 11:25.19 | Nichotin | I remember playing the demo when I got a modern machine in 95-96 |
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| 11:26.02 | snooo | @faad2 |
| 11:26.03 | gobbles | is it good |
| 11:26.03 | gobbles | and what os's does it support |
| 11:26.07 | Nichotin | I seem to recall having a good time playing it |
| 11:26.13 | gobbles | besides winders |
| 11:26.22 | Nichotin | windows and mac os 8-9 i think |
| 11:26.35 | snooo | does anyone know the location of any good faad2 packages for sarge ppc? |
| 11:26.44 | gobbles | will it have any issues with mach 64 ? |
| 11:26.57 | Nichotin | I dont know |
| 11:27.07 | Nichotin | You got DRI working on mach64 by the way? |
| 11:27.09 | gobbles | wahoo a new game |
| 11:27.19 | gobbles | no i havent even tried |
| 11:27.25 | Nichotin | Marathon worked on my old AST 100 mhz p1 |
| 11:27.43 | gobbles | is it multiplayer ? |
| 11:27.59 | Nichotin | I dont know actually. I didnt have internet in 95 |
| 11:28.22 | snooo | no ideas? |
| 11:28.50 | gobbles | sorry snooo i dont know what faaad is |
| 11:29.02 | snooo | aac decoder |
| 11:29.04 | Bor_Ed | libfaad2-0 - freeware Advanced Audio Decoder - runtime files |
| 11:29.26 | Bor_Ed | dunno if I have that installed or not, at least the thingy is available on sid |
| 11:29.34 | snooo | not sarge? |
| 11:29.40 | gobbles | my system locks a lot playing mp3, would faad help ? |
| 11:29.42 | Bor_Ed | I have never used sarge |
| 11:30.13 | gobbles | if im using unstable...then im in sid right ? |
| 11:30.21 | Nichotin | What I think is cool is having the ppc-server sporadically playing the doom3 themesong out of the internal speaker |
| 11:31.25 | al_ | gobbles, yes |
| 11:31.35 | snooo | gobbles: its a codec for aac files... like the stuff iTunes sells |
| 11:31.47 | gobbles | i see |
| 11:31.53 | snooo | gobbles: i dont think it plays mp3s |
| 11:31.54 | al_ | gobbles, (my answer was for "sid") |
| 11:32.04 | gobbles | im with ya |
| 11:32.12 | snooo | stupid question... |
| 11:32.16 | snooo | i ask lots of them |
| 11:32.18 | snooo | but here we go |
| 11:32.23 | gobbles | i chew bubble gum and walk at the same time too |
| 11:32.25 | gobbles | hehe |
| 11:32.39 | snooo | how can you choose to download a package from sid when you're using sarge? |
| 11:32.57 | gobbles | BFH |
| 11:33.05 | Bor_Ed | by using some switch on apt ... check the help out for it |
| 11:33.40 | gobbles | Bor_Ed, is a minor demi-god too |
| 11:33.47 | Bor_Ed | bleh |
| 11:33.57 | snooo | okies |
| 11:34.07 | gobbles | im still fascinated by the f9 - f10 thing |
| 11:34.59 | gobbles | spreken engles ? |
| 11:35.41 | Bor_Ed | no habla anglais |
| 11:35.49 | Nichotin | I have heard some rumors that my school will soon toss away some early newworld power macs. those blue ones |
| 11:36.02 | Bor_Ed | g3/350 |
| 11:36.05 | gobbles | its a really cool norwegian commercial |
| 11:36.19 | Bor_Ed | the blue g3's are pretty ok boxen |
| 11:36.27 | Nichotin | Me and some other dude in my class can get some finnish guy to open the trash room so we can take whatever we can carry |
| 11:36.56 | Bor_Ed | mmmm |
| 11:36.59 | Nichotin | gobbles: you mean the one with the family listening to the radio in the car? |
| 11:37.01 | gobbles | bbl 530 am here...sleep time |
| 11:37.09 | gobbles | yes that one |
| 11:37.11 | Nichotin | that one is german actually |
| 11:37.15 | gobbles | oic |
| 11:37.29 | gobbles | still funny |
| 11:37.37 | gobbles | bbl..sleep time |
| 11:37.58 | Bor_Ed | have a good one |
| 11:41.07 | snooo | cant find the right switch... |
| 11:41.50 | Bor_Ed | use aptitude or synaptic then |
| 11:42.11 | snooo | could i just download it and install it manually? |
| 11:42.44 | Bor_Ed | probably if there's no dep issues |
| 11:43.02 | snooo | i have no x here |
| 11:43.14 | Bor_Ed | aptitude is ncurses app |
| 11:43.25 | snooo | oooooh |
| 11:43.27 | snooo | ok |
| 11:51.31 | pahartik | snooo: at least "vlc", "gxine" and "mplayer" have FAAD2 statically linked here |
| 11:52.28 | snooo | pahartik: i need the libraries so i can recompile mpc though... |
| 11:52.34 | snooo | mpd rather |
| 11:53.25 | pahartik | snooo: good idea... recent "mpd" supports MPEG-4 AAC? |
| 11:54.19 | snooo | yeah |
| 11:54.38 | snooo | i'm hoping that it will play aacPlus feeds |
| 11:54.51 | snooo | theres support for it in faad2 |
| 11:54.51 | Bor_Ed | I think the faad2 is on deb http://honk.physik.uni-konstanz.de/~agx/linux-ppc/debian/ mplayer/ source |
| 11:58.21 | snooo | apt is giving me "malformed line 11" |
| 11:58.34 | Bor_Ed | check the spaces |
| 11:58.51 | Bor_Ed | deb http://honk.physik.uni-konstanz.de/~agx/linux-ppc/debian/ mplayer/ |
| 11:58.51 | Bor_Ed | deb-src ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main |
| 11:58.55 | Bor_Ed | copy/paste directly |
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| 12:02.46 | snooo | done... |
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| 12:03.20 | Bor_Ed | you probably need libfaad2-0-dev |
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| 13:37.58 | snooo | oh thanks for the advice btw |
| 13:38.02 | snooo | got the sources and compiled from that |
| 13:38.07 | snooo | cheers :-D |
| 13:38.40 | Bor_Ed | :) |
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| 13:56.38 | snooo | i've just compiled mpd manually |
| 13:57.02 | snooo | what file do you need to edit to get it to load on boot? |
| 13:57.40 | Bor_Ed | I've used /etc/inittab to load apps that don't have correct initfiles |
| 13:58.18 | snooo | cheers |
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| 13:59.46 | snooo | it looks like its created an mpd file in /etc/init.d |
| 13:59.50 | snooo | that should boot it, yes? |
| 14:00.02 | snooo | start the daemon rather |
| 14:00.32 | Bor_Ed | yup |
| 14:01.12 | snooo | ok |
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| 14:10.47 | Nichotin | are there any packages in apt with the mesa you fetch from the freedesktop cvs, or mach64_dri.so? |
| 14:11.33 | Bor_Ed | I pretty much doubt... gatos.sf.net might have some support for 3d on that chip though |
| 14:19.13 | Nichotin | The problem is that the mesa compile breaks |
| 14:19.24 | Nichotin | And it is the only component I need to get DRI working |
| 14:19.38 | Bor_Ed | mmm |
| 14:20.35 | Nichotin | Or, this is what I hate about binary distros really. The compile gets further now that I have installed libexpat1-dev (I installed it randomly) |
| 14:20.59 | Bor_Ed | you prolly want the x-dev installed |
| 14:21.06 | Bor_Ed | or is it x11-dev |
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| 14:21.38 | Bor_Ed | you could also try apt-get build-dep <package> |
| 14:21.59 | Nichotin | Problem is that mesa is no apt package |
| 14:22.05 | Nichotin | not the mesa I am building |
| 14:22.26 | Bor_Ed | well the build-dep still should work |
| 14:22.56 | Nichotin | In gentoo (this is not about what distro is best or not), expat.h is in the expat package. In debian, it is not in expat, not libexpat1, but in libexpat1-dev |
| 14:23.17 | Nichotin | so I get lots of fun trying to compile stuff :) |
| 14:23.29 | Nichotin | you mean just apt-get build-dep mesa-source-dir? |
| 14:23.34 | Bor_Ed | header files tend to be on -dev packages on most distros for some weird reason |
| 14:23.49 | Nichotin | It is sorta logical when you get the hang of it |
| 14:24.31 | Bor_Ed | apt-get build-dep xlibmesa-dri probably will do |
| 14:25.17 | Nichotin | xlibmesa-dri is not the same though, but i get your point |
| 14:26.09 | Nichotin | I use debian merely for convenience. I do not want to wait two days for an experimental system to compile |
| 14:26.28 | Bor_Ed | you can get the experimental packages to run on sid too |
| 14:26.37 | Bor_Ed | and compile whatever you want |
| 14:45.58 | Nichotin | uhm |
| 14:46.10 | Nichotin | now it wants "xf86vmode" |
| 14:46.11 | Nichotin | .h |
| 14:46.25 | Nichotin | any way to check what package has that? dpkg i presume? |
| 14:46.30 | Bor_Ed | dpkg -S |
| 14:47.07 | Nichotin | you have it on your system? |
| 14:47.27 | Nichotin | dpkg -S xf86vmode.h -- says it is not found.. |
| 14:47.28 | Bor_Ed | yup |
| 14:47.33 | Bor_Ed | ari@g3:~$ locate xf86vmode.h |
| 14:47.33 | Bor_Ed | /usr/X11R6/include/X11/extensions/xf86vmode.h |
| 14:48.09 | Bor_Ed | ari@g3:~$ dpkg -S xf86vmode.h |
| 14:48.09 | Bor_Ed | xlibs-static-dev: /usr/X11R6/include/X11/extensions/xf86vmode.h |
| 14:48.11 | Nichotin | yes, but what package? I have tried installing almost everythink |
| 14:48.12 | Nichotin | ah. |
| 14:48.23 | Nichotin | This is what I'd really want |
| 14:48.28 | Nichotin | and it must be possible |
| 14:48.38 | Nichotin | to search for files in packages that are not installed |
| 14:49.24 | Nichotin | I installed xlibs-dev, no xf86vmode.h. Not with static either for some reason |
| 14:51.50 | snooo | Nichotin |
| 14:51.56 | snooo | tried xlibs-static-dev? |
| 14:52.04 | snooo | oh |
| 14:52.05 | snooo | you have |
| 14:52.08 | snooo | :-S |
| 14:54.41 | Nichotin | :P |
| 14:55.04 | Nichotin | I just copied the file from my x86 gentoo install. it gets furter, now it stops at libGL |
| 14:55.17 | Bor_Ed | just install the x-dev |
| 14:55.27 | Nichotin | I have.. |
| 14:55.31 | Bor_Ed | you'll get the individual packages done with that |
| 14:55.41 | Bor_Ed | anyway, time to eat some reindeer |
| 14:55.50 | Nichotin | I did install that package, still no cookie |
| 14:57.41 | snooo | mmmm deer |
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| 15:24.09 | Bor_Ed | *burb* |
| 15:28.42 | Nichotin | I surrender! |
| 15:28.54 | Nichotin | The gods of random compilation fuckups have beaten me |
| 15:29.20 | Bor_Ed | now just set up apt source for the app repository and install ? :P |
| 15:31.10 | Nichotin | oh yeah.. if some package actually has mach64_dri.so, then tell me |
| 15:31.11 | Nichotin | :) |
| 15:31.23 | Bor_Ed | googled for one yet ? |
| 15:31.29 | Nichotin | of course. |
| 15:32.18 | Bor_Ed | I solved the 3d prob by installing rage 128 pci to this box |
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| 15:33.55 | al_ | http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?thread_id=1221535&forum_id=260950 |
| 15:34.39 | Nichotin | I have no mac compatible cards spare |
| 15:35.17 | Bor_Ed | you can use peecee cards on macs too, OF just doesn't work with those |
| 15:37.34 | Nichotin | my screen is just blank with the pci radeon 7000 |
| 15:37.42 | Nichotin | even in linux |
| 15:37.49 | Nichotin | havent tried x though |
| 15:38.02 | Bor_Ed | you need to have radeon driver built in to the kernel |
| 15:38.34 | Nichotin | in the framebuffer i suppose. hmm. ill try that. |
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| 15:40.26 | Nichotin | the stock debian kernel should have that support i guess, so ill pop the card in. |
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| 15:41.03 | Nichotin | How come radeon 9200 and below dri is trivial, and mach64 dri is a PITA no matter what you do? |
| 15:41.20 | Bor_Ed | mach64 doesn't really have 3d capabilities |
| 15:41.51 | Nichotin | it is possible to enable direct rendering though |
| 15:42.03 | Bor_Ed | yup, same thing with voodoo3 |
| 15:42.25 | Nichotin | You gain performance by enabling it as far as I see |
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| 15:44.50 | alexscott_2 | ^^ |
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| 18:41.17 | Hentai | hi |
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| 18:41.29 | Hentai | where is quik.conf again? |
| 18:46.52 | Hentai | simonrvn you there? |
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| 18:54.49 | pahartik | Hentai: "/etc/quik.conf" by default, but one can have it elsewhere too |
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| 23:29.37 | fluffy_wolf | note to self: Astroglide Gel is absolutely, positively, completely, worthless. |
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| 23:50.01 | demon | heh... uh, good to know... I guess |
| 23:50.45 | fluffy_wolf | lol |
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