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| 00:16.07 | p8m | It should |
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| 00:52.27 | BenDrake | am i installing the right distro? |
| 00:52.55 | BenDrake | for my imac, I burned the ppc iso. But the mac wont read the cd. |
| 00:53.50 | p8m | Are you holding down 'c' as it starts up? |
| 00:57.28 | BenDrake | yeap |
| 00:57.28 | Hentai | BenDrake new or old world mac? |
| 00:57.41 | demon | how old/new is the machine? |
| 00:57.48 | BenDrake | I donno..g3/333 imac green |
| 00:58.31 | demon | slot or tray loading? |
| 00:58.36 | BenDrake | tray |
| 00:59.46 | demon | hm... try booting to openfirmware and type 'boot cd:,\\:tbxi' at the prompt, with the CD in the tray |
| 01:01.53 | BenDrake | how do I boot into taht? |
| 01:01.56 | BenDrake | that. |
| 01:02.07 | demon | er... how familiar are you with linux? |
| 01:03.21 | BenDrake | ntb.. I got it fixed.. dirty lense |
| 01:03.30 | demon | ah |
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| 01:09.22 | gobbles | how can i get lame or some other encoder installed |
| 01:09.22 | BenDrake | well, i have to log off.. thank you for your help |
| 01:09.34 | gobbles | i cant find lame in apt-cache' |
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| 01:48.33 | gobbles | anyone home |
| 01:48.51 | gobbles | turkey seeks mp3 codec |
| 01:56.56 | gobbles | whats the command to search for a file name in apt-cache to return the pkg its contained in |
| 02:11.41 | sk1p | apt-file |
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| 12:08.25 | gobbles | anyone home |
| 12:10.43 | gobbles | im very concerned. i have an es18xx and an rtl net card. both work but the onboard 10base is still present. is it possible to disable the on board eth0 in OF> |
| 12:11.35 | gobbles | the reason i ask is that the sound card pops and has static in audio depending on which media player i use |
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| 13:00.22 | gobbles | anyone alive |
| 13:01.24 | Hentai | I am gobbles |
| 13:01.45 | gobbles | i have an es18xx and an rtl net card. both work but the onboard 10base is still present. is it possible to disable the on board eth0 in OF> |
| 13:02.23 | gobbles | the reason i ask is that the sound card pops and has static in audio depending on which media player i use |
| 13:02.34 | Hentai | dunno |
| 13:03.17 | gobbles | do macs normaly have device conflicts with irq/io sharing |
| 13:03.58 | Hentai | I do not know |
| 13:03.59 | Hentai | sorry |
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| 14:54.55 | maxdoubt | What's the status is for radeon 9600 drivers, or just ati in general for us ppc users? |
| 14:58.55 | maxdoubt | wew... its quiet in here |
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| 15:00.25 | dj-death | maxdoubt: r300.sf.net |
| 15:01.09 | Belxjander | anyone here able to help someone get an updated system recoverable ? |
| 15:06.24 | Belxjander | or is rescuing an oldworld rommed powerpc clone not worth the hassle? |
| 15:07.33 | Hentai | Belxjander mac clone? |
| 15:07.40 | Hentai | wondering which? |
| 15:07.57 | Belxjander | Hentai: "UMAX Pulsar" labelled S900... |
| 15:08.03 | Belxjander | 604 @ 150MHz |
| 15:08.04 | Hentai | oh man |
| 15:08.07 | Hentai | so cool |
| 15:08.14 | Hentai | I have a Umax c600 |
| 15:08.23 | Hentai | I wish I had the S900 |
| 15:08.40 | Hentai | if you want to see it I'm interested Belxjander |
| 15:08.41 | Belxjander | well Im just wanting a boot floppy that works with an updated 2.4 or 2.6 series kernel so I can rescue the dammed thing to functional |
| 15:08.43 | Hentai | sell |
| 15:08.52 | Belxjander | Im in New Zealand |
| 15:08.56 | Hentai | oh |
| 15:08.58 | Hentai | bites |
| 15:08.59 | Belxjander | so postage will be an asshole :( |
| 15:09.01 | Hentai | oh well |
| 15:09.09 | Belxjander | where are you? |
| 15:09.14 | Hentai | texas, USA |
| 15:09.39 | Belxjander | bloody hell |
| 15:09.45 | Hentai | huh? |
| 15:10.07 | Belxjander | I coulda asked my contractors wife to send it your way locally if we had met a couple of months ago... |
| 15:10.19 | Hentai | no!!1 |
| 15:10.20 | Hentai | dang |
| 15:10.23 | Hentai | oh well |
| 15:10.26 | Hentai | life is life |
| 15:10.42 | Belxjander | she was just here from there visiting her hubby that I'll be working for and I re-jigged her Wintendo lappy from scratch to everything in 24 hours as a blitzo installer :) |
| 15:10.59 | Hentai | heh |
| 15:11.03 | Belxjander | yeah |
| 15:11.12 | Belxjander | OS/drivers/Apps/Internet/Wireless and everything |
| 15:11.20 | Hentai | there is only one boot floppys set that works with my c600 |
| 15:11.23 | Hentai | its older |
| 15:11.31 | Hentai | and uses the 2.2.20 kernel |
| 15:11.51 | Belxjander | well the current boot floppies I have here use the 2.2 series kernel and I need to make a new boot floppy image with 2.4 or 2.6 series kernel to rescue the HDD |
| 15:11.54 | Hentai | works nicely but I still have yet to get debian installed correctly |
| 15:11.58 | Belxjander | since quik "died" :/ |
| 15:12.15 | Hentai | can't use the 2.2? |
| 15:12.19 | Belxjander | I managed to get Debian installed but I want to overlay a different dist which seems to find holes in what debian supports |
| 15:12.23 | Belxjander | nup |
| 15:12.26 | Hentai | ok |
| 15:12.32 | Belxjander | "FATAL: kernel too old" is the only message I see |
| 15:12.39 | Hentai | ekk |
| 15:12.49 | Belxjander | I can boot the floppy pair... but can't get into the HDD to "fix" anything |
| 15:12.58 | Belxjander | the floppies want me to blank slate and install over... |
| 15:13.01 | Hentai | ok |
| 15:13.16 | Belxjander | total pita since I only have the 2 floppies and rely on network connection and DialUp for the rest |
| 15:13.24 | Hentai | yeah |
| 15:13.35 | Hentai | its seems its gonna be hard to resurrect it |
| 15:13.47 | Belxjander | your machine works ? |
| 15:14.01 | Belxjander | all I need to do is work out how the boot floppies bootstrap works... |
| 15:14.05 | Belxjander | so I can make a new disk image |
| 15:14.08 | Hentai | mine boots up |
| 15:14.12 | Belxjander | write that to a new floppy and work from there |
| 15:14.17 | Hentai | just I have yet to get debian fully installed |
| 15:14.35 | Belxjander | what do you mean by "fully" installed though ? |
| 15:14.36 | Hentai | so far it will only boot from the old 2.2.20 boot floppys I have |
| 15:14.47 | Belxjander | did you get the IMS TwinTurbo GfxCard or anything? |
| 15:14.53 | Hentai | the installer didn't install everything all the way |
| 15:14.57 | Hentai | no |
| 15:15.08 | Belxjander | or did you only get a shell machine that was empty with an alternate GfxCard, some memory a base HDD and CD-ROM ? |
| 15:15.10 | Hentai | I have a matrox in it |
| 15:15.17 | Hentai | no no |
| 15:15.21 | Belxjander | I already had to replace the CD-drive in this box with a diff unit |
| 15:15.24 | Hentai | mine came with os 8.1 |
| 15:15.28 | Hentai | Mac os 8.1 |
| 15:15.31 | Belxjander | eerrrr |
| 15:15.34 | Hentai | and 96mb ram |
| 15:15.44 | Belxjander | this thing came with 8.6 pre-installed but it was a goddammed mess |
| 15:15.45 | Hentai | 603e @ 180mhz |
| 15:15.53 | Belxjander | and the CD driver seems seriously broken |
| 15:16.00 | Hentai | I killed the mac install |
| 15:16.06 | Belxjander | same here |
| 15:16.10 | Hentai | no longer works |
| 15:16.22 | Hentai | so all I get is boot the floppys screen |
| 15:16.27 | Belxjander | a friend of mine sent a PowerPC boot CD... |
| 15:16.32 | Belxjander | but it was for his G4 machine |
| 15:16.39 | Hentai | to bad |
| 15:16.44 | Belxjander | I said about the 604 being an earlier cpu as well :/ |
| 15:16.50 | Belxjander | ahhh |
| 15:17.03 | Belxjander | you don't have boot floppy images that bootup into the debian installer ? |
| 15:17.09 | Hentai | I do |
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| 15:17.19 | Belxjander | have you wiped and made new partitions for debian ? |
| 15:17.24 | Hentai | yes |
| 15:17.41 | Belxjander | have you installed the basesystem for debian after kernel and driver configurations ? |
| 15:17.48 | Hentai | I have the apple map |
| 15:17.53 | Hentai | the linux native |
| 15:18.00 | Hentai | then the swap |
| 15:18.04 | Hentai | yes |
| 15:18.09 | Belxjander | I personally ignored making a swap partition |
| 15:18.14 | Belxjander | but each his own :) |
| 15:18.18 | Hentai | but some reason it didn't work |
| 15:18.24 | Hentai | only 96mb ram |
| 15:18.25 | Belxjander | okay... have you run "quik" as a bootloader ? |
| 15:18.28 | Hentai | + I want a GUI |
| 15:18.36 | Hentai | yes |
| 15:18.40 | Hentai | but |
| 15:18.45 | Belxjander | and it doesn't bootstrap? |
| 15:18.51 | Hentai | I'm still learning how to set this machine up |
| 15:18.56 | Belxjander | ahhh |
| 15:19.16 | Belxjander | well I have previous experience running a pure SourceMage x86 install for a couple of years... |
| 15:19.25 | Belxjander | had all sorts of fancy features I was used to using |
| 15:19.25 | Hentai | k |
| 15:19.35 | Hentai | haha |
| 15:19.40 | Belxjander | Im wanting to try and get the powerpc-linux-gnu branch of that working |
| 15:19.53 | Hentai | understand |
| 15:20.14 | Hentai | how much ram you have in that thing? |
| 15:20.27 | Belxjander | 80MB |
| 15:20.37 | Belxjander | 16 on mobo + 2x DIMM modules |
| 15:20.37 | Hentai | woah less then mine |
| 15:20.49 | Belxjander | I managed to get upto restarting into debian and playing around |
| 15:21.00 | Hentai | cool |
| 15:21.14 | Belxjander | but when I replaced the entire system outright underneath the running system from rescue with the SMGL package suite... |
| 15:21.26 | Belxjander | seems to be something to do with the ld.so loader somehow |
| 15:21.34 | Hentai | ekk |
| 15:21.41 | Belxjander | updated glibc breaks 2.2 series kernel compatability |
| 15:22.23 | Belxjander | all I need is some sort of bootloader or NVRAM module to bootstrap the ext2 partition... |
| 15:23.03 | Belxjander | Ive broken ext2fs and ext3fs partitions too easilly before now |
| 15:23.16 | Belxjander | and it took me a year of non-stop access thrashing a reiserfs drive to break that |
| 15:23.41 | Belxjander | but then the entire directory structure was in memory at the time and the content was kept without the mapping structures |
| 15:23.48 | Hentai | lol |
| 15:24.08 | Hentai | well support on these things for linux is like this it seems |
| 15:24.11 | Hentai | you find the info |
| 15:24.24 | Hentai | and try to get it to work |
| 15:24.48 | Hentai | probably end up breaking it about 12 times before it works correctly |
| 15:25.07 | Hentai | I'm waiting for a boot floppy for gentoo |
| 15:25.25 | Belxjander | ahahahahahaha |
| 15:25.30 | Belxjander | I doubt that'll ever happen |
| 15:26.16 | Hentai | no |
| 15:26.21 | Belxjander | I already tried using Gentoo here |
| 15:26.26 | Hentai | been talking to one of devs |
| 15:26.30 | Belxjander | can't be assed learning a new package manager |
| 15:26.34 | Hentai | I'm waiting for him to build it |
| 15:26.50 | Hentai | I'm one of the first one to test it in line |
| 15:29.02 | Belxjander | I won't mind testing it as long as it'll run and let me resurrect the machine |
| 15:29.26 | Hentai | well |
| 15:29.29 | Hentai | its testing |
| 15:29.29 | Belxjander | but if it ain't working by the time I have to travel and relocate again then I can't be assed dealing with a machine that is seriously annoying... |
| 15:29.40 | Hentai | so running is a hope |
| 15:30.34 | Hentai | Belxjander where you going? |
| 15:30.34 | Belxjander | especially since I can't be assed wiping and re-installing it again |
| 15:30.35 | Belxjander | Hentai: moving from NZ to AU |
| 15:30.35 | Belxjander | following some contract work |
| 15:30.35 | Hentai | ok |
| 15:30.35 | Belxjander | I need a powerpc based machine for some specific development work I need to get done |
| 15:30.37 | Belxjander | and I either get it working or find some way of getting an AmigaONE board and all that entails... |
| 15:30.49 | Hentai | ok |
| 15:31.05 | Belxjander | I am seriously aggravated by the "Debian(woody)" lock-in that seems to be attached to getting it "blank slate" for content |
| 15:31.08 | Hentai | I'm just messing around |
| 15:31.40 | Hentai | Belxjander why don't you take the HDD out of the computer and stick into another and access it there? |
| 15:31.58 | Belxjander | because I don't have "another" that is compatible with it |
| 15:32.04 | Belxjander | I only have the 1 "powermac" machine |
| 15:32.12 | Belxjander | the other two machines here are not mine and are x86 spec |
| 15:32.20 | Hentai | so/ |
| 15:32.34 | Hentai | isn't the HDD just pata? |
| 15:32.40 | Belxjander | okay... |
| 15:32.41 | Hentai | regualar ide drive? |
| 15:32.50 | Belxjander | nope |
| 15:32.51 | Belxjander | SCSI |
| 15:32.56 | Hentai | I mean take it out to save your important data |
| 15:32.58 | Belxjander | two SCSI controllers on the mainboard in it... |
| 15:33.02 | Hentai | ok |
| 15:33.10 | Belxjander | the rest of the machines here are all IDE |
| 15:33.13 | Hentai | c600 has a ata drive |
| 15:33.17 | Hentai | and scsi cd drive |
| 15:33.27 | Belxjander | well this thing is pure SCSI |
| 15:33.41 | Hentai | ok |
| 15:33.44 | Hentai | to bad |
| 15:33.48 | Hentai | oh well |
| 15:34.29 | Belxjander | yeah... |
| 15:34.38 | Belxjander | main irritation atm is I don't have any other machines of my own... |
| 15:34.50 | Belxjander | I have already had an AMD XP1800+ that flatlined with a heat issue... |
| 15:35.07 | Belxjander | turned out I literally made a hole in the mainboard underneath it and through the CPU into the cooler block |
| 15:35.28 | Belxjander | that was my previous Linux machine self-destructed... |
| 15:35.46 | Belxjander | and about the 4th CPU/mobo combination to fail as a "blank slate" build from nothing |
| 15:35.47 | Hentai | lol |
| 15:35.51 | Hentai | sucks big time |
| 15:36.16 | Hentai | my AMD 1Ghz still running fine |
| 15:36.20 | Belxjander | Ive already previously got a record of making 6 mainboards unusable in 12 weeks |
| 15:36.40 | Belxjander | unusable as in "black screen" nothing from the boards... |
| 15:36.45 | Hentai | woah |
| 15:36.54 | Belxjander | complete fry up of the bridge controllers or something |
| 15:37.02 | Belxjander | even with no common components at all |
| 15:37.50 | Hentai | weird indeed |
| 15:38.10 | Belxjander | only "Common" thing seems to be the way I use the machines |
| 15:38.19 | Belxjander | normal shutdown and "poof" dead in the morning |
| 15:38.41 | Belxjander | then again I learned how to use computers by starting with a C= Amiga... |
| 15:39.47 | Hentai | lol |
| 15:42.22 | Belxjander | the only expectation I learnt is computers need to remain fully functional as long as possible... |
| 15:42.36 | Belxjander | so I don't really give a dammed what the expected lifetime of a machine is.. |
| 15:42.45 | Hentai | ok |
| 15:42.47 | Belxjander | once I build it I expect it to run until it physically can't run anymore |
| 15:42.53 | Hentai | my computers seem to like me |
| 15:42.59 | Hentai | have yet to have one die |
| 15:43.23 | Belxjander | do you press them into doing more and more ? |
| 15:43.29 | Belxjander | or just "play it safe" ? |
| 15:43.39 | Hentai | nah |
| 15:43.47 | Hentai | I ususally do w\e I want to them |
| 15:44.05 | Hentai | the HDD has been formatted probably over 20-30 times now |
| 15:44.09 | Hentai | probably more |
| 15:44.15 | Hentai | I OCed a lot to |
| 15:44.47 | Belxjander | I never overclock... |
| 15:45.02 | Belxjander | it either works as spec'ed and runs indefinitely to the task ... |
| 15:45.04 | Belxjander | or fails |
| 15:45.25 | Hentai | lol |
| 15:45.32 | Belxjander | "Windows" as an OS only lasts 4 days or maybe a week if it's lucky before needing to re-install |
| 15:45.49 | Belxjander | Ive had Win98 on this friends machine need re-installation twice in the last two weeks already |
| 15:45.49 | Hentai | nott hee |
| 15:45.51 | Hentai | nott here |
| 15:46.05 | Hentai | sorry I haven't had that problem |
| 15:46.09 | Belxjander | ever have Windows "Self-delete" it's kernelling ? |
| 15:46.52 | Hentai | no |
| 15:47.25 | Belxjander | win98se with all the updates... |
| 15:47.27 | Belxjander | twice... |
| 15:47.46 | Belxjander | turned out to be something associated with it's interaction to the Win2000pro SB Live! audio drivers... |
| 15:47.58 | Belxjander | since thats the only driver the dammed thing would install for the audio card |
| 15:48.19 | Hentai | haha |
| 15:55.00 | Belxjander | wouldn't mind reflashing the Matrox x86 version of the card I have sitting in the S900 here as it's Matrox GfxCard |
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| 16:22.12 | Belxjander | okay stuffit... |
| 16:22.24 | fluffy_wolf | Belxjander: at one point, if you installed the drives that came with the sblive on windows 2000, it was time for a reformat... |
| 16:22.26 | Belxjander | if I am stuck with a powerpc-linux-gnu box I can't resurect into something usable... |
| 16:22.30 | fluffy_wolf | s/drives/drivers |
| 16:22.52 | Belxjander | fluffy_wolf: it's what the installer would install regardless even for the Win98se "Add New Hardware" wizard crap |
| 16:23.07 | Belxjander | so I didn't bother and downloaded the kXproject driver suite instead and installed those... |
| 16:23.10 | Belxjander | runs a hell of a lot better |
| 16:24.14 | fluffy_wolf | heh. I hosed a relative's win2k box when he asked me to install the card for him... put in the card, put in the driver cd, 5 minutes later had a quite unbootable machine. |
| 16:24.18 | Belxjander | fluffy_wolf: any ideas on getting this powerpc-linux-gnu box working again ? |
| 16:24.30 | fluffy_wolf | nope. wait for simonrvn, he knows all. :) |
| 16:24.31 | Belxjander | fluffy_wolf: what card ? |
| 16:24.38 | fluffy_wolf | a sblive pro |
| 16:24.43 | Belxjander | hrmm |
| 16:24.57 | Belxjander | I had the one Im using now working perfectly in a Win2000pro box... |
| 16:25.05 | fluffy_wolf | it was documented on creative's web site, along with repair instructions. |
| 16:25.06 | Belxjander | but then that was 2nd install on a games only setup... |
| 16:25.18 | Belxjander | I don't really bother looking for things like that |
| 16:25.29 | Belxjander | Im much prefering the Linux/AmigaOS4 driver suites |
| 16:25.30 | fluffy_wolf | I don't normally touch windows at all. |
| 16:25.52 | Hentai | I do |
| 16:25.54 | Belxjander | dumb thing is the kXproject drivers give me much more control equivalent to what the AOS3/AOS4 edition drivers give me... |
| 16:25.55 | fluffy_wolf | haven't had windows on any of my machines for about... god. 8 years? *feels old* :( |
| 16:26.20 | Belxjander | and the Windows drivers aren't so "intelligent" as to let me use the dammed thing as a single channel set |
| 16:26.39 | Belxjander | fluffy_wolf: Im still stuck playing "Wintendo fixit" for friends and relatives... |
| 16:26.59 | Belxjander | but they are getting the idea I don't like it since I started charging... |
| 16:27.06 | Belxjander | $10 an hour every hour up front :) |
| 16:27.18 | fluffy_wolf | heh |
| 16:27.26 | fluffy_wolf | mine wouldn't take too kindly to my doing that. :) |
| 16:27.28 | Belxjander | and I spend an hour doing next to pissall just looking the machine over every time :) |
| 16:27.52 | Belxjander | fluffy_wolf: well if you want to drive them away from asking you nonsense questions all the time ;) |
| 16:28.13 | fluffy_wolf | they'll ask nonsense questions no matter what I do. :P |
| 16:29.51 | Belxjander | fluffy_wolf: interested in the powermac I have sitting here at all maybe ? |
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| 16:30.19 | fluffy_wolf | nah. I need things with number-crunching power. :) |
| 16:32.16 | Belxjander | so a 604@150MHz is just barebones then ? |
| 16:33.29 | fluffy_wolf | I'm trying to work more on my raytracer... right now I want number-crunching. |
| 16:34.15 | fluffy_wolf | if you have a dual G5, I'll gladly take that off your hands. :) |
| 16:35.54 | Hentai | I want it |
| 16:36.01 | Hentai | though shippings would kill me |
| 16:36.04 | Hentai | -s |
| 16:36.28 | fluffy_wolf | I got an offer once of a free 200mhz 8-cpu rs/6000 box... for $200 shipping. :( |
| 16:37.19 | Hentai | I would want that |
| 16:37.25 | fluffy_wolf | it was MCA |
| 16:37.29 | fluffy_wolf | == no linux. no netbsd. |
| 16:37.40 | Hentai | heh |
| 16:37.41 | fluffy_wolf | would you live with AIX? :P |
| 16:37.50 | Hentai | probably |
| 16:38.03 | fluffy_wolf | 8 200mhz cpus, 4gb ram, 18gb disk space. |
| 16:38.34 | fluffy_wolf | wasn't worth the $200 for me to live with aix... |
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| 16:38.47 | Hentai | haha |
| 16:40.12 | fluffy_wolf | it weighed 150lbs... |
| 16:40.36 | Belxjander | eh? |
| 16:40.59 | Belxjander | Ive dealt with a machine that was EISA... isn't there any form of MCA support in the Linux kernel at all !?!? |
| 16:41.44 | fluffy_wolf | there's MCA, but only very marginal, and only for certain platforms. |
| 16:46.00 | Belxjander | hrmmm |
| 16:46.19 | Belxjander | anyone know how to clone and edit the existing debian boot floppies for powerpc ? |
| 16:46.30 | Belxjander | maybe I can hack something into semi-functional usability is what I am wondering |
| 16:47.33 | fluffy_wolf | wait around until simonrvn gets back. I'm sure he's going to club me with something heavy for sending people to him though. :) |
| 16:57.43 | pahartik | soon my iBook G4 is going to reach 9 days uptime... and that is nice |
| 16:58.55 | fluffy_wolf | heh |
| 16:59.51 | fluffy_wolf | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:00.05 | fluffy_wolf | 116 days ago I put in my new UPS, and had to power down the boxes. |
| 17:00.33 | fluffy_wolf | about 6-8 hours runtime depending on cpu load... |
| 17:00.50 | jaska | heh, not pad |
| 17:00.51 | jaska | bad* |
| 17:01.03 | jaska | depending what kind of boxen you have behind it tho |
| 17:01.33 | fluffy_wolf | a dual p3-800 and a dual p3-866. as we all know, not the most energy-efficent boxes... |
| 17:01.53 | pahartik | fluffy_wolf: my iBook G4 does not have UPS |
| 17:02.02 | fluffy_wolf | the ups has two 12v 85ah batteries. :) |
| 17:02.50 | jaska | \o/ |
| 17:03.18 | fluffy_wolf | gets a lot of use... other day was a 5 hour outage... |
| 17:03.31 | jaska | oh. |
| 17:03.34 | fluffy_wolf | battery level down to 45%! |
| 17:03.38 | jaska | i get maybe one outage a year |
| 17:03.39 | jaska | or less |
| 17:03.44 | fluffy_wolf | heh |
| 17:03.54 | fluffy_wolf | only problem left is the ups doesn't like my generator. |
| 17:04.04 | jaska | i need a bigger ups for my desktop box |
| 17:04.19 | jaska | i think the current one is like 300VA or so, so im using it just as a filter |
| 17:04.28 | fluffy_wolf | when running off the generator, it switches between line and battery power every few seconds... |
| 17:05.03 | fluffy_wolf | very tempted to give up making the ups like the generator, and instead just plug a 24v battery charger into the ups, then plug the charger into the generator... |
| 17:05.12 | jaska | whee. |
| 17:05.28 | pahartik | jaska: i think last power problem around here happened 680 days ago... SPARC with no UPS has been up since that... |
| 17:05.47 | jaska | heh, we had one citywide blackout |
| 17:05.58 | jaska | last year i think |
| 17:06.16 | jaska | or 2003, i cant remember |
| 17:06.28 | jaska | i never remember _when_ something happened |
| 17:06.53 | fluffy_wolf | I live in a pretty rural area... every time there's bad weather, at least one limb falls on at least one power line. :) |
| 17:07.13 | jaska | hmm, where im originally from could be considered rural |
| 17:07.18 | jaska | and didnt have many outages there either |
| 17:07.59 | jaska | maybe its diff around there |
| 17:08.19 | jaska | altho some places in finland seem to lose power when weather gets awful |
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| 17:08.47 | Hentai | w00t my box has a uptime of usually a week or 2 |
| 17:08.53 | fluffy_wolf | during the summer the power is pretty stable, but during the winter... |
| 17:10.47 | jaska | maybe your ups just thinks that the power out of your gen is too crummy |
| 17:11.08 | fluffy_wolf | jaska: obviously. |
| 17:11.20 | jaska | <- captain obvious :) |
| 17:11.22 | fluffy_wolf | it's a crummy generator. I got it free. :) |
| 17:12.08 | fluffy_wolf | I think what it's mostly complaining about is the generator's frequency not being stable, and it's taking frequency variations as power problems. |
| 17:12.27 | jaska | and the ups doesnt 'resynthetize'? |
| 17:12.34 | fluffy_wolf | ? |
| 17:13.01 | jaska | ugh, i cant remember the words :) |
| 17:13.06 | fluffy_wolf | telling the difference between a sudden frequency change and a sudden drop in voltage isn't easy. :) |
| 17:14.03 | jaska | i forgot the word for ac->dc conversion :) |
| 17:14.12 | jaska | it just wont come |
| 17:14.12 | jaska | usually its the finnish word im missing |
| 17:14.12 | jaska | rectify! |
| 17:14.31 | fluffy_wolf | what I'll probably do, as I said, is just connect a 24v battery charger across the UPS' battery... plug the charger into the generator. the ups won't even know the generator exists, except that the batteries mysteriously don't go dead... |
| 17:14.34 | jaska | and then turn it into 60Hz(?) again |
| 17:14.39 | jaska | heh |
| 17:14.41 | jaska | yeah |
| 17:14.58 | fluffy_wolf | no. only fancy UPSes do that. this one, like most, just runs the AC input directly to the output when the power is on... |
| 17:16.02 | jaska | i cant remember if the ones at work do |
| 17:16.40 | fluffy_wolf | I like the battery charger idea. just need to find a charger. :) |
| 17:16.54 | fluffy_wolf | only 24v charger I have here is only 10 amps, not enough to run everything. |
| 17:17.25 | jaska | hrm, i'd consider a 24v generator+filtering for that tho |
| 17:17.30 | jaska | less conversions .) |
| 17:18.31 | fluffy_wolf | less conversions. more heavy-gauge wire. |
| 17:18.42 | fluffy_wolf | I keep the generator ~150ft from the house |
| 17:19.01 | jaska | yeah, they typically emit too much noise :) |
| 17:19.08 | jaska | dunno about a stirling engine one |
| 17:19.09 | fluffy_wolf | running 24v @ 50 amps that distance is much harder than running 120v @ 10 amps... |
| 17:20.45 | fluffy_wolf | plus with a 120v generator, I can connect everything else in the house to it. :P |
| 17:21.01 | jaska | yeah, thats the other point, thought of mentioning it earlier |
| 17:21.16 | jaska | but i just left it implicit |
| 17:21.19 | jaska | indeed. |
| 17:21.38 | fluffy_wolf | so far none of the neighbors have asked to run extension cords to my house... yet. :) |
| 17:23.01 | fluffy_wolf | when I don't want noise, I have a car battery and a 1500 watt inverter... but that, of course, doesn't last nearly as long as the generator. |
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| 20:23.04 | Belxjander | other than the woody rescue disks with 2.2 series kernelling... |
| 20:23.28 | Belxjander | are there no other rescue disk images for a floppy start on a powermac that will work against oldworld roms for setting up quik ? |
| 20:23.41 | Belxjander | or am I restricted to the kernel from those floppies ? |
| 20:24.55 | Hentai | zI just use the boot disks |
| 20:31.34 | Belxjander | Hentai: so I have to wipe what is there just to make the dammed box usable from those rescue disks ? |
| 20:31.46 | Hentai | dunno |
| 20:31.51 | Hentai | I would just get the boot disk |
| 20:31.54 | Hentai | boot into it |
| 20:32.02 | Hentai | mount your scsi HDD |
| 20:32.09 | Belxjander | I already have the Debian(woody) boot floppes on disks |
| 20:32.11 | Belxjander | I can boot them |
| 20:32.15 | Hentai | and transfer the stuff if you can to another good HDD |
| 20:32.23 | Belxjander | but it's a waste of time since they won't access into the system drive at all |
| 20:32.25 | Hentai | or paritition |
| 20:32.37 | Hentai | odd |
| 20:32.38 | Belxjander | Hentai: but theres the problem I Don't have "another hdd" to use |
| 20:32.55 | Hentai | don't you have ata? |
| 20:32.55 | Belxjander | the machine came as-is with a CD-ROM and ONE harddisk... |
| 20:32.56 | Hentai | on it |
| 20:33.00 | Belxjander | and it's the only scsi drive I have |
| 20:33.08 | Hentai | go find a ata drive to use |
| 20:33.12 | Belxjander | Hentai: I answered the same fscking question a couple of hours ago.. |
| 20:33.16 | Belxjander | NO NO NO NO NO... |
| 20:33.22 | Hentai | you said you had ide connectors |
| 20:33.24 | Belxjander | it's an S900 PowerMac clone |
| 20:33.33 | Belxjander | two SCSI controllers on the mainboard ONLY... |
| 20:33.39 | Belxjander | no I fscking didn't... |
| 20:33.46 | Hentai | I could of swear |
| 20:33.48 | Hentai | oh well |
| 20:33.49 | Hentai | sorry |
| 20:33.50 | Belxjander | the OTHER machines here are all IDE with IDE drives... |
| 20:33.54 | Hentai | ok ok |
| 20:34.04 | Hentai | well looks like your screwed for now |
| 20:34.07 | Belxjander | the PowerMac here is the only SCSI machine with a SCSI drive sitting here all on it's lonesome |
| 20:34.15 | Hentai | sucks |
| 20:34.33 | Belxjander | Ive already "installed" the dammed thing... |
| 20:34.53 | Belxjander | it's suppossed to be able to run quik and re-=install the bootblock but no... |
| 20:35.06 | Belxjander | quick has to be bound against the OLD (woody) package set... |
| 20:35.23 | Belxjander | can't fscking compile anything and use it... |
| 20:35.24 | Hentai | dosen't look good |
| 20:35.27 | Belxjander | piece of crap |
| 20:35.32 | Hentai | any friends with scsi? |
| 20:35.46 | Belxjander | no |
| 20:35.51 | Hentai | dang |
| 20:36.05 | Belxjander | readiong the content off isn't worth the effort |
| 20:36.14 | Hentai | odd |
| 20:36.28 | Belxjander | because all I will do is install the dammed thing from blank and end up in exactly the fucking same "chicken and egg" problem... |
| 20:36.49 | Belxjander | as I want a different distribution installed and I am only using the debian installer to make it have something to start with |
| 20:37.05 | Belxjander | and I am getting highly pissed at how "locked in" like windows the debian package management is... |
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| 20:38.45 | Belxjander | I have already "walked away" and come back to the bloody thing for several weeks and keep ending up with the same crap |
| 20:39.23 | Belxjander | does anyone here know how to modify or make a custom boot floppy with custom made kernelling ? |
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| 20:51.22 | Walther | hey hey |
| 20:52.11 | Walther | anyone tryed compileing vanilla 2.6.11.6 |
| 20:52.35 | Walther | it stoped on "dssall" |
| 20:53.44 | Walther | i like the topic |
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| 22:22.45 | Bor_Ed | uname -a cat /proc/version |
| 22:22.50 | Bor_Ed | sheesh |
| 22:22.59 | Bor_Ed | Linux version 2.6.11.6 (root@g3) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-12)) #1 Wed Mar 30 18:33:25 EEST 2005 |
| 22:23.01 | Bor_Ed | that one ? |
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| 22:48.04 | Walther | Bor_Ed: ya |
| 22:48.23 | Walther | care to dcc me .config |
| 22:48.29 | Bor_Ed | shure |
| 22:49.14 | Bor_Ed | works at least on this beige g3 |
| 22:49.35 | Walther | powerbook? |
| 22:49.45 | Bor_Ed | nope, oldworld desktop box |
| 22:51.20 | Walther | i just got a Lombard |
| 22:51.39 | Walther | 1st thing i did was install debian |
| 22:51.42 | Bor_Ed | aww, I've been looking for pismo or wallstreet for ages |
| 22:52.12 | Walther | ppl ask too much for this |
| 22:52.28 | Walther | on ebay it goes for $400 |
| 22:52.47 | Bor_Ed | well it seems that every apple made computer goes at too much (on buyers side) |
| 22:53.11 | Walther | that's bull, this is eq. of a PII |
| 22:53.41 | Walther | it's as fast as 450 PII |
| 22:54.04 | Bor_Ed | ppl ask 400 eur here from p2/450 |
| 22:54.31 | Bor_Ed | anyway, time to hit the sack, it's 2 am and I just came from work |
| 22:54.34 | Walther | ppl gove away them or toss them in garbage |
| 22:54.39 | Bor_Ed | hope the config gives you some clues |
| 22:54.44 | Walther | thanks |
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| 23:59.34 | demon | heh... man, the broken ifupdown package is a pain in the ass :p |