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| 01:30.46 | a_monkey | i have an Eterm probalmo. when i use --shade=%, it doesn't shade my transparent Eterm; it makes the background sort of bluey. |
| 01:30.54 | a_monkey | on my old distro it didn't do that... |
| 01:30.57 | a_monkey | it just shaded |
| 01:31.02 | a_monkey | can anybody help? |
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| 03:02.20 | fluffy_wolf | compiling a kernel is much nicer when you have 5 cpus working on it. |
| 03:03.04 | dj-death | sure ;) |
| 03:03.33 | dj-death | 3 dual core cpu is nice too |
| 03:04.04 | fluffy_wolf | heh |
| 03:04.28 | fluffy_wolf | I'm compiling the kernel for a p3-733... so I installed distcc, and also have my dual p3-866 and my dual p3-800 working on it. :) |
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| 03:22.55 | keenan | On an oldworld mac with the quik bootloader, can I have an ext2 partition as /boot but a reiserfs partition as / ? |
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| 03:38.43 | demon | yes |
| 03:38.52 | demon | heh... oh well, he left |
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| 03:40.56 | demon | I have a 7500 with a JFS / and an ext2 /boot |
| 03:41.04 | cricket_ | since the airport on the newer powerbooks isnt supported, is there any supproted PCI wireless cards that would work in linux? |
| 03:41.29 | pahartik | demon: however, i have had problems with "reiserfs" on PowerPC... severe enough to make it useless for anything beyond trying |
| 03:41.40 | demon | haha |
| 03:41.49 | demon | that's because hans reiser is retarded |
| 03:42.07 | demon | in his little world, big endian doesn't exist |
| 03:42.09 | pahartik | cricket_: "Airport adapter" is supported, "Airport Extreme adapter" is not supported |
| 03:50.50 | simonrvn | me it's xfs / and ext2 /boot |
| 03:51.29 | simonrvn | so much nicer having a journalled fs as / than ext2 |
| 03:51.30 | cricket_ | pahartik , i know that |
| 03:51.36 | cricket_ | i have xtreme |
| 03:51.48 | cricket_ | and i cant really use linux that much if i cant utiliz my wireless itnernet |
| 03:51.55 | cricket_ | so i am hopign some PCI card works or something |
| 03:52.03 | simonrvn | demon: i had that feeling (re: reiserfs) |
| 03:52.36 | simonrvn | cricket_: usb wifi pc card or something |
| 03:52.56 | cricket_ | just any general usb wifi pc card |
| 03:53.11 | pahartik | simonrvn: i assumed "ext3" would be most efficient per CPU cycle, so on OldWorld host that would be optimal |
| 03:53.22 | simonrvn | i hear prism54 and orinoco are ok |
| 03:53.44 | simonrvn | pahartik: whatever turns your crank ;) |
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| 07:21.36 | fluffy_wolf | with cpus idle and both monitors on, ups is at 48% load capacity. full cpu load on all 3 boxes, 64%. that's 16% of 1250VA. that's a lot of extra watts just for the cpus. :) |
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| 08:35.56 | ere | Hello, Firefox 1.02 is very unstable on my iBook, earlier I had no stability problems. Other applications seems to work well and I currently have a uptime of 135 days, what can be wrong? (by the way, I use kernel 2.6.8) |
| 08:36.50 | simonrvn | mv ~/.firefox ~/.firefox.old; start FF. is it the same? if it is, then bug the maintainer |
| 08:37.23 | ere | okay, I can try that |
| 08:41.01 | pahartik | simonrvn: after some uptime here, some applications can be unstable... could be because of some memory allocation problem |
| 08:41.27 | simonrvn | hmm |
| 08:43.35 | pahartik | simonrvn: for example, when building kernel... one can use loop in shell to keep running "fakeroot make-kpkg kernel_image" until it succeeds |
| 08:43.54 | simonrvn | yes |
| 08:47.07 | pahartik | simonrvn: closing other large applications usually helps too |
| 08:49.11 | simonrvn | yes. but i wonder why you're telling me this. |
| 08:51.05 | pahartik | simonrvn: me too |
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| 08:51.46 | ere | maybe I should upgrade the kernel and reboot |
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| 08:52.14 | simonrvn | doubt that'll help, though i'd suggest an upgrade anyway |
| 08:53.00 | ere | yes, I have been thinking of upgrading for some time anyway (and uptime is not that important :) ) |
| 08:56.37 | simonrvn | pahartik: so wtf are you then? |
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| 09:16.09 | simonrvn | pahartik: i know you're just being helpful. thanks |
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| 10:43.28 | grivell | simonrvn, pahartik: Disabling pre-empt is a big help for stability of apps too. |
| 10:43.37 | grivell | pre-empt is still not right on ppc. |
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| 11:27.30 | gilligan_ | hi |
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| 11:32.34 | grivell | gilligan_: hi |
| 11:34.46 | gilligan_ | hm, who can give me some info... apple airport is a hermes chipset based wlan card -- and orinoco = ? |
| 11:36.26 | grivell | Not sure. What card you have? |
| 11:38.11 | gilligan_ | well an apple airport.. and i'm just trying to put the puzzle pieces together.. I do understand that the airport card is a hermes chipset based wlan card |
| 11:38.20 | pahartik | grivell: maybe i will try without "CONFIG_PREEMPT" next time i build kernel... but i rarely get problems anyway |
| 11:38.35 | gilligan_ | but i'm not sure if its like 'also' based on orinoco or if that is some standard or whatever.. |
| 11:38.46 | gilligan_ | any powerbook users around who might know.. ? |
| 11:39.04 | grivell | gilligan_: They are just chipsets |
| 11:39.31 | grivell | Are you trying to get it to work under Linux? |
| 11:39.38 | gilligan_ | its working already |
| 11:40.32 | pahartik | grivell: not waking up properly is bigger problem, and even with that i got 10 days of uptime on iBook G4 |
| 11:40.32 | gilligan_ | but I bought a linksys router and now it turns out there is no WPA support for the hermes chipset under 2.6 kernels |
| 11:40.32 | grivell | pahartik: It wakes up if you don't have bluetooth ;) Things I just can't imagine spending money on. |
| 11:40.45 | grivell | But I do hate unmounting the usb hd when I want to sleep |
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| 11:42.14 | pahartik | grivell: using Bluetooth right now, otherwise it would be somewhat difficult to connect on bus |
| 11:42.46 | grivell | bus's have bluetooth net? |
| 11:43.40 | pahartik | grivell: what a waste, using USB for storage device when IEEE-1394 is available... :) |
| 11:44.01 | grivell | pahartik: Not a waste when you have x86's ;) |
| 11:44.55 | pahartik | grivell: i have Nokia 6310i for GPRS uplink just about anywhere i go |
| 11:45.21 | grivell | I have a lot of systems (imo). 3 laptops, 2 desktops, 1 server. So I like to have portable storage. Firewire is just not on everything |
| 11:45.41 | pahartik | grivell: IEEE-1394 is not PowerPC-specific |
| 11:45.58 | grivell | But it isn't on most of my peecee's. |
| 11:46.11 | pahartik | grivell: damn that |
| 11:46.11 | grivell | Only iBook and Mac Mini have it here. |
| 11:46.47 | grivell | And USB2 is actually fast enough for my tastes. Loads KDE 3.4 up nicely. Have Ubuntu on it now ;) |
| 11:51.21 | pahartik | grivell: you do not have Bluetooth devices at all then? |
| 11:53.03 | grivell | None |
| 12:06.15 | pahartik | grivell: i have one 802.11 device... ZyXEL ZyAir B-420... but i do not exactly know what to do with it |
| 12:10.05 | pahartik | grivell: it works, but i mostly hate it... crappy "web configuration" interface (requires javascript to do anything), crappy "telnet console" interface (assumes 80x25 and is annoying in other ways) |
| 12:12.27 | pahartik | grivell: should have got that Linux-based Linksys 802.11 or something similar instead, at least one could tune it to behave well... |
| 12:15.26 | pahartik | grivell: but i do not think i will get rid of that 802.11 device for now, since i can take it with me if i know that i have to use 802.11 somewhere (if something like that ever happens) |
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| 12:21.01 | setdisdouz | Hi there |
| 12:21.34 | setdisdouz | Does anyone know how to install Debian on a FireWire disk ? |
| 12:23.22 | pahartik | setdisdouz: does it not show up as SCSI disk device on installer? |
| 12:23.56 | setdisdouz | No, I just have hda showing up |
| 12:25.10 | pahartik | setdisdouz: "woody", "sarge" or something else? |
| 12:25.37 | setdisdouz | 3.0 r4, that's woody, right ? |
| 12:26.29 | pahartik | setdisdouz: yes... maybe it would help if you tried newer installer |
| 12:27.40 | setdisdouz | How should I do that ? |
| 12:27.50 | setdisdouz | (Just got the CDs) |
| 12:29.12 | pahartik | setdisdouz: http://www.nl.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 12:34.04 | setdisdouz | I can use it to install woody ? |
| 12:34.43 | pahartik | setdisdouz: no, i do not think you can |
| 12:36.59 | setdisdouz | Mmmh? I guess I'll have to try another solution. Or to wait for a stable Sarge |
| 12:38.33 | setdisdouz | Thanks for your help |
| 12:38.49 | pahartik | setdisdouz: all my PowerPC and Alpha hosts are running "sarge" already |
| 12:44.39 | grivell | setdisdouz: debootstrap |
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| 12:45.05 | grivell | setdisdouz: But that will only allow you to chroot in. You would need to boot from CD or HD. |
| 12:45.24 | grivell | hmm. Actually, no, I am wrong. You could put yaboot on it maybe :) |
| 12:48.09 | setdisdouz | Sorry ? |
| 12:48.45 | setdisdouz | Ok, i'm reading |
| 12:56.52 | setdisdouz | Well, how can I use dbootstrap ? I in fact intended to format the disk with the installer? |
| 12:59.21 | setdisdouz | Well, thank you |
| 13:06.45 | grivell | You must format manually, mount the drive, use debootstrap, etc. Will look for the url (it was a Ubuntu through Knoppix url) |
| 13:07.05 | grivell | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallFromKnoppixHowto |
| 13:07.24 | grivell | Same principals, just different distribution. |
| 13:08.09 | grivell | You can install Debian from any LiveCD. Even from Ubuntu. |
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| 13:18.55 | snooo | can you get xfree to work with a macintosh colour display, model number M1212? |
| 13:19.04 | Bor_Ed | yup |
| 13:19.12 | Bor_Ed | 800x600@60Hz should work |
| 13:19.25 | snooo | really? |
| 13:19.32 | snooo | will try |
| 13:19.46 | Bor_Ed | I recall that's just the model I used to have on 7200/90 box |
| 13:19.56 | snooo | ok |
| 13:21.26 | snooo | it says on this wbsite that the max resolution is 640x480 |
| 13:21.37 | Bor_Ed | yup, that's the same tube I had then :) |
| 13:21.48 | snooo | but you got 800x600 working with it? |
| 13:22.03 | Bor_Ed | yup, required some tuning with the screws at the rear |
| 13:22.21 | snooo | could you explain? |
| 13:22.44 | Bor_Ed | the vertical and horizontal tuning screws close to the video cable |
| 13:22.48 | snooo | ahhh |
| 13:22.49 | snooo | ok |
| 13:23.43 | snooo | what was X like with the 7200/90 box? i'm running a beige g3 |
| 13:23.58 | Bor_Ed | ok |
| 13:24.04 | snooo | slow? |
| 13:24.07 | bioterror | :D |
| 13:24.15 | bioterror | depends how much you have memory |
| 13:24.19 | Bor_Ed | X ran just fine... though don't even dream about kde/gnome |
| 13:24.27 | snooo | obv.. |
| 13:24.30 | bioterror | bor_ed, who dreams about it? ;) |
| 13:24.32 | Bor_Ed | I have xfce even on this beige g3 |
| 13:24.32 | snooo | fluxbox then |
| 13:24.39 | snooo | or xfce :-D |
| 13:24.45 | snooo | me luv xfce |
| 13:25.04 | Bor_Ed | xfce is ok desktop :) |
| 13:25.18 | snooo | they're working on a new file manager which is kinda exciting |
| 13:25.45 | Bor_Ed | the xffm4 is pretty ugly... though I use mc for file management when I'm not using console only |
| 13:26.03 | snooo | nautilius is alright for the odd basic task |
| 13:26.21 | snooo | i could never dump mc... |
| 13:28.32 | snooo | having X run th same time as a samba server should be ok? |
| 13:29.01 | Bor_Ed | ~100 megs of ram and it shouldn't be a prob |
| 13:29.31 | bioterror | when the ram ends, swap comes in ;D |
| 13:29.35 | Bor_Ed | mmm |
| 13:29.41 | Bor_Ed | and X responsiveness :D |
| 13:29.46 | bioterror | ;D |
| 13:30.01 | snooo | ok |
| 13:30.05 | snooo | will see |
| 13:30.13 | snooo | its only used occasionally anyway |
| 13:30.24 | snooo | music server for the house... |
| 13:30.30 | snooo | movies and stuff |
| 13:31.32 | Bor_Ed | I have 4400/200 running as FW/router/whatnot server |
| 13:31.48 | snooo | the busmouse is classed as PS/2 isn't it? |
| 13:31.50 | snooo | in X |
| 13:31.56 | Bor_Ed | ImPS2 |
| 13:32.00 | snooo | ok |
| 13:32.28 | snooo | what should i put in for horizontal sync range? installing X now |
| 13:32.33 | snooo | 60? |
| 13:33.00 | Bor_Ed | I've used only the 'medium' level on X conf, it lets choosing resolution/refresh rates automatically |
| 13:33.06 | snooo | ah |
| 13:33.10 | snooo | shite |
| 13:33.32 | Bor_Ed | you can run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 after install too |
| 13:33.37 | snooo | ok |
| 13:38.29 | karim | hi |
| 13:38.45 | karim | anyoned noticed some performances issue on the cdromm of pmacs ? |
| 13:38.50 | karim | G3 pmac |
| 13:38.57 | karim | I got crap extraction |
| 13:39.05 | karim | and can't even do cat /dev/cdrom |
| 13:39.17 | snooo | it works! |
| 13:39.18 | snooo | huzzah |
| 13:39.20 | Bor_Ed | nope... though I have 54x cd-rw drive which replaced the old 8x cd |
| 13:39.31 | karim | I got 48x cd |
| 13:39.48 | Bor_Ed | the ide bus is only 16MB/s on the g3 |
| 13:40.04 | karim | I think in the G3 a 32x was the oringal cdrom |
| 13:40.17 | karim | yes, but I extracted already at reasonable speeds |
| 13:40.28 | karim | the groups are ok |
| 13:40.32 | karim | the hardware seems ok |
| 13:40.46 | karim | or this idebus is broken |
| 13:40.57 | karim | since there is two buses I think |
| 13:41.34 | karim | when I do cat /dev/cdrom or dd I got a I/O error |
| 13:41.46 | Bor_Ed | cleaned the drive lately ? |
| 13:43.00 | karim | hum no |
| 13:43.18 | karim | in fact there is the same issue with the two drives |
| 13:43.52 | karim | there is only one driver, I just switched to test |
| 13:43.57 | karim | swapped |
| 13:44.02 | Bor_Ed | I'd guess either the cable isn't well in the socket or the drive is dying |
| 13:49.06 | karim | hum that's two different drives |
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| 13:53.20 | snooo | is xfce in sarge? |
| 13:53.29 | snooo | apt-get install xfce says nothing |
| 13:53.44 | grivell | xcfe4 |
| 13:53.54 | snooo | ok |
| 13:54.07 | bioterror | xfce4* :D |
| 13:54.07 | snooo | done |
| 13:54.08 | grivell | snooo: Check into aptitude :) You can hit / and search for xfce. Or learn your cmdline utils ;) |
| 13:54.16 | snooo | :-P |
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| 13:54.51 | snooo | apt-get is installing it now |
| 13:55.06 | Bor_Ed | deb http://www.lxtec.de/debarchiv binary-powerpc/ |
| 13:55.06 | Bor_Ed | deb-src http://www.lxtec.de/debarchiv sources/ |
| 13:55.17 | Bor_Ed | has more recent xfce build... and nicer toys too |
| 13:55.32 | snooo | ok |
| 13:55.43 | snooo | will add |
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| 14:06.30 | snooo | is there any way to emulate a right mouse click with a single button mouse? |
| 14:08.10 | Bor_Ed | @~3 buttons |
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| 14:08.24 | Bor_Ed | hrm, bot is either MIA or it doesn't like me |
| 14:08.41 | Bor_Ed | @ 3 button |
| 14:09.27 | snooo | cheers |
| 14:09.33 | snooo | he told me to RTFM |
| 14:09.33 | snooo | muh |
| 14:09.43 | Bor_Ed | bug me with tldp.org |
| 14:09.43 | snooo | got it now tho |
| 14:09.51 | Bor_Ed | buggr can't recall the trigger |
| 14:10.40 | Bor_Ed | simonrvn, how the buggr triggers can be searched ? |
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| 14:22.55 | simonrvn | listkeys for factoid names, listvals for contents |
| 14:23.17 | Bor_Ed | like ? |
| 14:23.24 | Bor_Ed | @listkeys button |
| 14:23.30 | ravenbird | Factoid search of 'button' by key (5): foot-button ;; 3 buttons ;; mouse button emulation ;; go buttons ;; press button. |
| 14:23.30 | Bor_Ed | ... |
| 14:23.50 | Bor_Ed | why didn't it launch the trigger when I tried ? |
| 14:25.17 | simonrvn | @3 buttons |
| 14:25.18 | ravenbird | sysctl -w dev.mac_hid.mouse_button_emulation=1, and dev.mac_hid.mouse_buttonY_keycode=XX -- where XX is a number you get from showkey (in console only), the key you want, and Y is 2 or 3. however, you'll lose functionality of the selected keys for any other use, or to make the change permanent, add the entries to /etc/sysctl.conf - man sysctl.conf, and you can ... |
| 14:25.37 | Bor_Ed | I tried to be too smart... didn't it require @~ before + |
| 14:25.38 | Bor_Ed | ? |
| 14:26.40 | simonrvn | no |
| 14:26.49 | simonrvn | ~+ would be apt |
| 14:27.03 | Bor_Ed | grmbl, right :) |
| 14:27.38 | simonrvn | :) |
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| 14:37.06 | snooo | right |
| 14:37.10 | snooo | really weird problem |
| 14:37.11 | snooo | with X |
| 14:37.19 | snooo | it was working fine until i just rebooted |
| 14:37.31 | snooo | but now all of the bitmaps seem to have dotted distortion in them |
| 14:37.37 | snooo | until they're updated |
| 14:37.51 | snooo | any idea what it could be? |
| 14:38.34 | Bor_Ed | slow box |
| 14:38.42 | snooo | it was fine before though |
| 14:39.08 | Bor_Ed | how much vram you have onboard ? |
| 14:39.13 | snooo | 2 meg |
| 14:39.19 | Bor_Ed | that could be it... |
| 14:39.38 | snooo | as i said |
| 14:39.41 | snooo | there wasnt a prob before |
| 14:39.42 | Bor_Ed | I have 16M rage128GS here on g3 because of the 2 meg ati didn't perform too well |
| 14:39.46 | snooo | i'll tryu shutting it down |
| 14:39.49 | snooo | see what happens |
| 14:41.38 | karim | hum is there a way to make a key shortcut to the mouse buttons into gnome ? |
| 14:41.59 | Bor_Ed | I pretty much doubt |
| 14:42.50 | karim | why do they make mouse that do a "click" noise ? |
| 14:42.58 | karim | it's like keyboards |
| 14:43.04 | Bor_Ed | whaa ? |
| 14:43.18 | karim | I noticed that at work the other day |
| 14:43.33 | karim | when there is ten people in a room working |
| 14:43.40 | karim | click click clik |
| 14:43.46 | karim | ^^ |
| 14:44.03 | Bor_Ed | ahh |
| 14:44.19 | karim | what is the interest to have this click sound ? |
| 14:44.19 | Bor_Ed | now I got it :) |
| 14:44.36 | Bor_Ed | I have ibm KB which weights a metric ton and does click too :P |
| 14:45.02 | karim | I have adb keyboard |
| 14:45.29 | Bor_Ed | well the ibm KB is somewhere in the closet hiding... this box has adb extended II KB and usb 2 wheel mouse |
| 14:46.31 | karim | 2 wheel ? |
| 14:46.34 | karim | or usb 2 |
| 14:46.36 | karim | :D |
| 14:46.52 | karim | the click in the mouse and keyboard is clearly a design choice |
| 14:47.03 | karim | I mean take the playstation pads |
| 14:47.07 | karim | they don't click |
| 14:47.13 | Bor_Ed | 2 wheel |
| 14:47.21 | Bor_Ed | usb 1.x mouse |
| 14:47.24 | karim | 2 wheel ? |
| 14:47.28 | Bor_Ed | 2 wheel :) |
| 14:47.33 | karim | do you have a picture ? |
| 14:47.44 | Bor_Ed | I can take one |
| 14:48.21 | karim | why not |
| 14:48.29 | karim | or a online store picture |
| 14:48.40 | Bor_Ed | downloading from cam |
| 14:49.42 | Bor_Ed | get from dcc |
| 14:55.22 | Bor_Ed | the 2nd wheel is supposed to work for side scrolling but haven't managed that to work yet on X |
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| 15:01.35 | karim | mmm |
| 15:01.40 | karim | that's a mutation |
| 15:02.11 | Bor_Ed | ~8 eur from some junk store here |
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| 16:46.10 | karim | cool my neighbourg gave me an usb video adapter |
| 16:46.20 | karim | I don't even know what I can use it for |
| 16:46.33 | karim | how |
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| 17:42.38 | grivell | karim: Output or input or both? |
| 17:44.45 | karim | input |
| 17:44.51 | karim | for capture |
| 17:45.02 | karim | output would have interested me also |
| 17:45.27 | karim | I tough at first I could use my rage 128 agp card, but there is no agp slot |
| 17:46.00 | karim | just imagine my face when I opened the box of the G3, pulled out the other card |
| 17:46.13 | karim | and realised |
| 17:46.18 | karim | "it doesn't fit" |
| 17:46.19 | karim | lol |
| 17:46.31 | karim | it's a pci slot |
| 17:46.45 | karim | I wanted to do a divx box |
| 17:47.01 | karim | but anyway the box is barely enough powerfull |
| 17:47.29 | pahartik | karim: well... PCI is good :) |
| 17:47.47 | karim | it's just I don't have a pci card |
| 17:47.51 | karim | video |
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| 17:48.03 | karim | I am not even sure I can bought one |
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| 17:52.46 | pahartik | karim: http://www.atitech.ca/products/mac.html |
| 17:53.50 | karim | ok |
| 17:53.55 | karim | that's not worth anyway |
| 17:54.34 | pahartik | karim: well, worth or not... |
| 17:54.53 | karim | yep |
| 17:55.17 | jaska | hrrm |
| 17:55.25 | jaska | whats the diff between businesscard and netinst isos? |
| 17:55.42 | jaska | other than the netinst is about 70 megs bigger :) |
| 17:56.04 | jaska | make that 95 megs bigger |
| 17:56.15 | simonrvn | business card is bare bones |
| 17:56.27 | simonrvn | so it'll fit on those tiny cds |
| 17:56.37 | jaska | was just wondering if its enough :) |
| 17:56.52 | jaska | oh well, guess ill just take the huge one :( |
| 17:57.05 | simonrvn | make sure your network conn. works ;) |
| 17:57.22 | jaska | yeah it does most of the time |
| 17:57.33 | jaska | i flame the isp constantly if it doesnt :) |
| 17:57.42 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 17:58.00 | jaska | i hope they port xen to ppc eventually |
| 17:58.05 | pahartik | simonrvn: something smaller than 8 cm CDs, i assume... |
| 17:58.39 | simonrvn | pahartik: think so. thos elittle ones that you can stik in a wallet (but shouldn't) |
| 17:58.40 | jaska | i think ive seen some businesscard-cds |
| 17:58.43 | jaska | yeah |
| 18:00.39 | simonrvn | i figure if i'm going to learn a language, learn it because of necessity =) |
| 18:01.11 | jaska | heh |
| 18:01.32 | jaska | simonrvn, theres always #ruby-lang (here on freenode) |
| 18:01.51 | simonrvn | jaska: yeh i visited once. nice folks |
| 18:02.09 | jaska | ive been a regular (mostly idle) for a few years |
| 18:02.16 | simonrvn | cool |
| 18:02.57 | simonrvn | i'm actually getting output from my script now ;) |
| 18:04.07 | simonrvn | well, i wanted to learn it, and needed something to pull data out of ldap, and what i found wasn't working, so i figured i'd combine the two |
| 18:04.58 | simonrvn | basically it's a little thing to write bind zone files and other conf files |
| 18:05.08 | simonrvn | ..for bind |
| 18:06.48 | fluffy_wolf | C, c++, php, java, basic (ranging from 1970s to modern), perl, ocaml, lisp, scheme, prolog, asm for mips and hc11, bash scripting, umm... I know there's more, that's just all I can remember the names of. :) |
| 18:08.39 | fluffy_wolf | and, of course, plenty of non-language languages... bison and flex grammars, html, sql, etc. |
| 18:08.55 | fluffy_wolf | really don't need to add ruby to the list. |
| 18:09.22 | simonrvn | yeh, i know what you mean :) |
| 18:10.42 | fluffy_wolf | one of these days I ought to work more on the language I was designing... |
| 18:12.22 | grivell | karim: If you get it working (the usb video) tell me the name of it :) I'd love to make a DVR out of my Mac Mini. |
| 18:12.50 | Bor_Ed | www.multimedia4linux.de list loads of such stuff |
| 18:13.05 | karim | grivell, I can tell you the brand |
| 18:13.14 | karim | I guess it's USBgear |
| 18:13.17 | karim | or coolgear |
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| 18:14.24 | karim | grivell, http://www.usbgear.com/computer_cable_details.cfm?sku=USBG-VX1&cats=125&catid=614%2C125 |
| 18:15.11 | karim | I think there is better models |
| 18:15.23 | simonrvn | well, back to this thing. see ya |
| 18:15.24 | karim | this one only record 320*200 |
| 18:16.58 | karim | Bor_Ed, nice site exept it's in german :-/ |
| 18:19.44 | Bor_Ed | karim, the links are pretty clear though... and you can run it through babelfish |
| 18:23.06 | karim | Bor_Ed, the translation are ridiculus most of the time |
| 18:23.28 | Bor_Ed | german->english works usually at understandable level |
| 18:23.49 | fluffy_wolf | german-->english understanding level works usually at? |
| 18:24.10 | Bor_Ed | sheesh |
| 18:24.56 | Bor_Ed | babelfish has given me decent results with some lottery on some sentences |
| 18:25.15 | fluffy_wolf | I installed one of my old graphics tablets on a relative's box, and now it keeps crashing. GRR. |
| 18:25.30 | fluffy_wolf | typical uptime about 15 minutes |
| 18:26.33 | fluffy_wolf | sometimes it pauses for ~20 seconds and then comes back to life, other times it just goes out to lunch and never comes back. |
| 18:26.55 | Bor_Ed | mmm |
| 18:27.06 | fluffy_wolf | I think it's X... |
| 18:27.11 | sk1p | fluffy_wolf: while using the tablet? |
| 18:27.23 | fluffy_wolf | sk1p: with the tablet connected, whether it's being used or not. |
| 18:27.29 | fluffy_wolf | unplugging it "fixes" it. |
| 18:27.57 | fluffy_wolf | I think the box is still up and running, and it's just X going out to lunch... |
| 18:27.58 | sk1p | hm, i get x hangs when using my tablet.. only on ppc though |
| 18:28.25 | fluffy_wolf | problem is, when X goes out to lunch, there's no way to get your console to come back to life. |
| 18:28.26 | sk1p | sometimes even strange graphics artefacts |
| 18:28.38 | sk1p | yea |
| 18:28.47 | fluffy_wolf | what tablet do you have? I gave her my old Graphire, keeping my two Intuos tablets for myself. :) |
| 18:29.10 | sk1p | intuos usb |
| 18:29.18 | sk1p | not the latest version, the previous |
| 18:29.35 | fluffy_wolf | same as my two. (actually, three, but I just bought my third one two days ago, and it hasn't shown up yet) |
| 18:29.41 | fluffy_wolf | Intuos 1? |
| 18:29.56 | fluffy_wolf | they're up to Intuos 3 now. :) |
| 18:30.00 | sk1p | input: Wacom Intuos2 9x12 on usb-0000:00:10.2-1 |
| 18:30.04 | sk1p | yea |
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| 18:30.38 | fluffy_wolf | I haven't found any differences between the intuos1 and intuos2 tablets... but the intuos3 ones have those spiffy touchpad thingies. /me wants! |
| 18:30.49 | sk1p | heh :) |
| 18:31.24 | fluffy_wolf | I have a 4x5 usb intuos1 and a 9x12 usb intuos1... a 6x8 usb intuos1 is in the mail. the 4x5 is too little and the 9x12 is too big. :) |
| 18:33.33 | fluffy_wolf | Bus 002 Device 008: ID 056a:0020 Wacom Co., Ltd Intuos 4x5 |
| 18:33.33 | fluffy_wolf | Bus 002 Device 007: ID 056a:0022 Wacom Co., Ltd Intuos 9x12 |
| 18:33.44 | sk1p | i unfortunately haven't had enough time to actually use it.. i *so* want to learn to draw textures in gimp |
| 18:34.14 | fluffy_wolf | I so want to learn to draw ANYTHING. I suck though. :( |
| 18:35.00 | fluffy_wolf | muzzles always come out ALL wrong. they end up looking like the oversized noses in Matt Groening's comics. |
| 18:36.49 | sk1p | i get art lessons at school, but we don't actually learn anything.. |
| 18:39.05 | fluffy_wolf | heh |
| 18:39.10 | fluffy_wolf | I've never had an art class |
| 18:42.19 | fluffy_wolf | most of it is a lack of creativity... never can think of what to create. and then when I very rarely occasionally think of something, I can't do it. then I get pissed off. |
| 18:43.12 | sk1p | heh, same here |
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| 18:43.40 | fluffy_wolf | what good is being able to draw if you can't create anything? heh |
| 18:51.49 | pahartik | fluffy_wolf: like your tail? |
| 18:52.17 | fluffy_wolf | gah! /me wraps his tail around himself and hides |
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| 19:07.32 | dj-death | where can I find a config for 2.6.12 ? |
| 19:08.09 | p8m | I'd make one myself or use make old-config |
| 19:08.43 | dj-death | I need a config for my ibook G4 |
| 19:09.04 | sk1p | maybe the iBook G4 HOWTO http://tinyurl.com/2488m has one for you ;) |
| 19:09.11 | dj-death | thx |
| 19:09.14 | p8m | Why do you need 2.6.12? |
| 19:09.27 | dj-death | for sleep support |
| 19:09.31 | pahartik | dj-death: use configuration file inherited from latest kernel before that? |
| 19:10.22 | p8m | imahcine: ION is great! |
| 19:10.28 | p8m | !!! |
| 19:10.32 | fluffy_wolf | I always just copy the .config from the last kernel... |
| 19:10.32 | p8m | :( |
| 19:10.41 | dj-death | pahartik: I have no previous config |
| 19:11.15 | sk1p | dj-death: the debian kernels do have a config, too |
| 19:12.37 | dj-death | ok thx |
| 19:12.53 | dj-death | why is preempt not included by default ? |
| 19:12.56 | pahartik | dj-death: "make menuconfig" reads configuration from "/boot/config-$(uname --release)" by default |
| 19:17.00 | dj-death | Is preempt dangerous ? |
| 19:17.07 | sk1p | on ppc it is |
| 19:17.12 | sk1p | well, buggy |
| 19:24.19 | fluffy_wolf | I always download the kernel.org tarballs... and they have frigging everything on by default. |
| 19:24.29 | fluffy_wolf | like EVERY SINGLE driver, module, option... |
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| 19:51.01 | karim | how can I know wich USB 2.0 pci cards are supported by the kernel ? |
| 19:51.08 | karim | I looked in make menuconfig |
| 19:51.15 | karim | but there is not much info |
| 19:52.12 | Bor_Ed | I just picked one OHCI/EHCI compatible card from local junk store and it just works here |
| 19:52.31 | demon | yeah, I did the same, except mine was a dual USB2/FireWire card |
| 19:52.36 | demon | it works perfectly |
| 19:53.05 | demon | pretty much all the vendors just follow the EHCI spec |
| 19:53.15 | karim | ok |
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| 19:55.01 | Bor_Ed | weird part is though that I have to remove mockos 9.1 usb related stuff from extensions folder to be able to boot the buggr and the card is supposed to work on classic mockos |
| 19:55.48 | karim | do you know the ipoo ? |
| 19:57.35 | Bor_Ed | ipoo ? that's some new rotten apple inc device/piece of software ? |
| 19:58.02 | karim | no that's the crap3 player |
| 19:58.12 | karim | mp3 |
| 19:58.14 | karim | ipod |
| 19:58.20 | karim | ipoo/ipod |
| 19:58.24 | Bor_Ed | ahh |
| 19:58.34 | karim | that's the nickname of ipod for ipod haters |
| 19:59.00 | Bor_Ed | I just bought creative muvo here... works just the way it should, though no ogg support :I |
| 20:08.04 | karim | I bought a iRiver H320 |
| 20:08.11 | karim | with ogg support ... |
| 20:08.20 | karim | that was one of my criteria |
| 20:08.39 | karim | I encoded most of my albums in ogg |
| 20:08.45 | Bor_Ed | I got the muvo at 39.95 eur new |
| 20:09.06 | Bor_Ed | I've got some work here to recode oggs to mp3 for the stick |
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| 20:09.35 | pahartik | karim: maybe you mean "Vorbis" :) |
| 20:10.01 | snooo | right. my X display on my beige G3 occasionally displays a lot of noise in bitmaps. any clues as to what it could be and whether their is a software solution? |
| 20:10.07 | fluffy_wolf | they end in .ogg, therefore they're oggs. :P |
| 20:11.58 | Bor_Ed | pahartik, I don't call my .mp3 files as 'mpeg1 layer III' |
| 20:12.01 | Bor_Ed | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:13.47 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: i call my "MPEG audio layer 2" files "MPEG audio layer 2" files |
| 20:13.59 | Q-FUNK | gotta admit that it's skewed, though. an .ogg file might as well be video content in the theora format that ended up compressed in ogg algorythm. |
| 20:15.05 | Q-FUNK | it's as silly as having just foobar.gz for a file that is also tar'ed. |
| 20:15.40 | fluffy_wolf | did they ever even get video working? :) |
| 20:15.44 | Bor_Ed | pahartik, well yer 'special' :D |
| 20:15.45 | Q-FUNK | yes |
| 20:15.57 | Q-FUNK | pahartik: I would call that .mp2 |
| 20:16.28 | Q-FUNK | and even then, would most likely simplify the whole thing by naming the file .mpeg |
| 20:16.35 | Bor_Ed | anyway, time to hit the downtown and see if it'd be alive |
| 20:16.36 | fluffy_wolf | Bor_Ed: perhaps you should tell the ogg people to make oggvorbis files .ogv or something? :) |
| 20:16.45 | fluffy_wolf | Q-FUNK |
| 20:16.51 | fluffy_wolf | not Bor_Ed. :) |
| 20:16.59 | Bor_Ed | fluffy_wolf :) |
| 20:17.14 | karim | pahartik, I mean oggvorbis |
| 20:18.12 | karim | :D |
| 20:18.35 | karim | Bor_Ed, iriver players are nice but expensive |
| 20:19.01 | karim | less than ipods if you compare the fonctionalities |
| 20:22.15 | karim | I found a 15 inch compaq monitor in a trash once |
| 20:22.19 | karim | a public trash |
| 20:22.26 | karim | how is it called ? |
| 20:22.38 | karim | a big public trash |
| 20:22.40 | fluffy_wolf | hrmm. here in the US, that's illegal. |
| 20:22.42 | fluffy_wolf | dumpster? |
| 20:22.53 | karim | what is illegal ? |
| 20:22.59 | karim | dumpster |
| 20:23.01 | fluffy_wolf | disposing of monitors in the trash |
| 20:23.13 | fluffy_wolf | they're considered hazardous waste, we have to take them to the dump and pay $25 |
| 20:23.21 | karim | lol |
| 20:23.25 | karim | rofl |
| 20:23.44 | karim | you must pay to be delivered from crap |
| 20:24.03 | fluffy_wolf | of course, everyone I know just stuffs some garbage around them, puts them in an extra thick bag, and stuffs them in the garbage anyway. :) |
| 20:24.32 | karim | the cathodic tubes contains mercure |
| 20:24.47 | karim | I got an article on this at an english exam |
| 20:24.52 | fluffy_wolf | yep. which is why we have to pay to get rid of them. |
| 20:25.16 | karim | I am not sure that's the best strategy |
| 20:25.38 | karim | since obviously it push people to throw them discretly anywhere |
| 20:26.00 | fluffy_wolf | if the government actually cared about the environmental impact of monitors, they'd collect them for free, as charging makes them go in the trash. |
| 20:26.20 | karim | exactly |
| 20:26.24 | fluffy_wolf | and $25 is a fair chunk of cash |
| 20:26.36 | fluffy_wolf | enough to make most people look for alternative ways to get rid of it |
| 20:26.40 | karim | but US governement have not the reputation to environmentalist |
| 20:26.51 | karim | yes |
| 20:26.57 | karim | be |
| 20:27.06 | fluffy_wolf | heh |
| 20:27.39 | fluffy_wolf | the us government has a reputation along the lines of "fuck the environment, we want more money!" |
| 20:28.32 | karim | or just : "fuck you, we want more money!" |
| 20:28.42 | fluffy_wolf | yep |
| 20:28.52 | karim | anyone have a small mac ? |
| 20:28.59 | karim | I tried to play powermanga |
| 20:29.07 | karim | on a G3 400 but it lags to much |
| 20:29.34 | fluffy_wolf | no clue what powermanga is |
| 20:29.40 | karim | it's a game |
| 20:29.46 | karim | apt-cache show permanga |
| 20:29.50 | karim | apt-cache show powermanga |
| 20:29.55 | karim | a shoot em up |
| 20:31.10 | fluffy_wolf | bah. /me doesn't like games |
| 20:39.45 | dj-death | has someone already compile a 2.6.12-rc2 ? |
| 20:40.00 | dj-death | with benh's patchs ? |
| 20:40.27 | dj-death | arch/ppc/platforms/pmac_cpufreq.c:491: error: `CPUFREQ_PM_NO_WARN' undeclared here (not in a function) |
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| 20:55.25 | tinton | I'm running debian-ppc on a Wallstreet G3. Where can I find docs on how to setup the modem? I don't see the device recognized in the dmesg, like I would on an x86... |
| 20:55.48 | karim | are the hubs on the G5 keyboards USB 1 or USB 2 ? |
| 20:56.47 | karim | it's usb 1 ok |
| 20:56.54 | karim | my usb key doesn't work on it |
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| 21:04.01 | tinton | How do you get the modem up and running? |
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| 21:13.36 | Mias | hi |
| 21:13.43 | Petro | hey |
| 21:15.14 | Mias | did anybody get the analog modem of a late 2002 ibook running? |
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| 21:19.34 | Alver | Hello. does someone know what refresh rate the monitor of an imac g3 can do at maximum resolution (which will probably be 1024*768)? |
| 21:21.09 | fanaj | 75Hz at 1024x768 my iMac g3 go on... |
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| 21:32.20 | Alver | thanks. |
| 21:42.00 | fanaj | what kernel do you use?? I can't start my mac with 2.6.11 from kernel-source...... |
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| 22:01.32 | fluffy_wolf | hrmm. I've used two computers, with two monitors next to each other, and x2x to share a keyboard/mouse between them for a while now... but I'm trying to figure out if I still need to do that, or if I should just put a second video card into one of my computers and just use one computer. |
| 22:03.09 | shingouz | tinton: try wvdial |
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| 23:13.50 | snooo | 'elp! ever since i installed X and gnome, mpd refuses to output audio. could someone help with diagnosing this? |
| 23:15.39 | demon | er... what's mpd? |
| 23:15.43 | fluffy_wolf | mpd? |
| 23:15.45 | Alver | Hmm - why would xhost + as root get a 'connection refused by server' ? |
| 23:16.08 | fluffy_wolf | a random guess would be some sound daemon has the device opening, you're using oss, and they won't share... |
| 23:16.14 | fluffy_wolf | s/opening/open |
| 23:16.18 | demon | Alver: er... who's the X session run as? |
| 23:16.22 | fluffy_wolf | Alver: DISPLAY set correctly? |
| 23:16.45 | demon | and did you sudo or su to become root? |
| 23:17.21 | snooo | demon: mpd = music player daemon |
| 23:17.29 | snooo | jukebox program |
| 23:18.12 | demon | snooo: does it give an error? my guess would be gnome is starting ESD, and ESD has /dev/dsp held open |
| 23:18.31 | pahartik | Alver: maybe you have "-nolisten tcp" in "/etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc"? |
| 23:18.39 | demon | so either disable ESD, or shorten its "release sound device" period |
| 23:18.42 | demon | or something |
| 23:19.23 | Alver | demon: ack, no wonder. Thanks, overlooked that. |
| 23:19.27 | snooo | no error given, its a bit weird |
| 23:19.32 | snooo | i'm asking in #mpd atm |
| 23:19.41 | demon | pahartik: won't matter if the X session was started as another user through a display manager, because root probably won't have the server cookie |
| 23:20.06 | demon | so the X server will say "no cookie, no talky, kthxbye" |
| 23:24.59 | pahartik | demon: that is correct too, but "xhost" does not have effect if "-nolisten tcp" is in effect |
| 23:26.39 | demon | pahartik: well, actually it does |
| 23:27.03 | demon | it turns off access control on the UNIX domain socket for the X server |
| 23:27.05 | Alver | If I adjust my screen size etc. with xvidtune and press 'apply', will those values be used for all future logins? |
| 23:29.23 | pahartik | Alver: no, but it can print "modeline" for you to include in XFree server configuration file |
| 23:32.25 | Alver | Right :) thanks. |
| 23:32.45 | Alver | First time I see a monitor without some button to adjust this OS-independently... heh |
| 23:42.46 | Alver | Oh, and another thing I'd like to see on my imaclinux... backslash and pipe :/ |
| 23:43.17 | Alver | I suppose adding those with xmodmap will be the easiest way? |
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