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| 03:59.37 | fluffy_wolf | ati "rage pro turbo" uses the mach64 driver, right? (finding very little info with google) |
| 04:00.12 | simonrvn | sec |
| 04:01.21 | simonrvn | i think so |
| 04:01.34 | simonrvn | that, or r128 |
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| 04:03.26 | fluffy_wolf | I'm contemplating moving to a single dual-headed box instead of my current two-boxes with x2x setup... |
| 04:03.41 | demon | no, rage pro turbo is a mach64-based design |
| 04:03.51 | fluffy_wolf | only decent pci video card I have is an old all-in-wonder |
| 04:04.08 | demon | if it doesn't say "rage128", it's almost certainly a mach64-derived design |
| 04:04.34 | fluffy_wolf | demon: that's what I thought... but google was being remarkably unhelpful. |
| 04:04.37 | simonrvn | ok |
| 04:05.32 | fluffy_wolf | the question, of course, is should I switch to a single dual-headed box, or keep using my x2x setup? heh |
| 04:06.15 | simonrvn | x2x? |
| 04:07.51 | fluffy_wolf | makes two monitors next to each other, on two computers, look like a dual-headed setup... mouse warps seemlessly between the two monitors, selections can be pasted on either computer, etc. |
| 04:08.27 | simonrvn | o_O. how did you do that? |
| 04:08.52 | fluffy_wolf | apt-get install x2x |
| 04:08.54 | fluffy_wolf | :P |
| 04:10.06 | simonrvn | oh. heh :) |
| 04:10.30 | fluffy_wolf | ssh -X 192.168.0.215 x2x -buttonblock -west -resurface -from ":0.0" <== all I do to use it. |
| 04:10.49 | simonrvn | neato |
| 04:10.58 | p8m | Whoa that's cool |
| 04:11.11 | demon | heh |
| 04:11.45 | fluffy_wolf | you can't move windows between the monitors or things like that (would have to send them over the network... slow), but it shares the keyboard, mouse, and paste buffer quite well. |
| 04:13.19 | fluffy_wolf | the mouse, of course, goes off the edge of one monitor and onto the other one... |
| 04:14.06 | demon | does it deal better than x2vnc does with non-rectangular displays (i.e., a Xinerama'd display as the local with 2 heads of non-equal size doesn't restrict movement on the remote display)? |
| 04:14.15 | fluffy_wolf | no clue |
| 04:14.20 | fluffy_wolf | both mine are 1024x768. |
| 04:14.26 | fluffy_wolf | one display each |
| 04:14.45 | demon | I ran into a problem with that where I couldn't move the mouse to the lower right corner because the mouse on the "local" display can't do that |
| 04:14.55 | fluffy_wolf | heh |
| 04:15.03 | fluffy_wolf | no clue :) |
| 04:15.06 | fluffy_wolf | haven't tried |
| 04:15.08 | demon | kinda annoying |
| 04:15.31 | fluffy_wolf | I'm trying to decide if I want to keep doing this with two separate computers, or switch to just one. |
| 04:16.07 | fluffy_wolf | dammit. the gatos ati drivers say they don't work with debian. |
| 04:17.40 | demon | ... er, why wouldn't they? |
| 04:18.01 | fluffy_wolf | it wants to modify/replace parts of X, and apparently debian has them in different places than everyone else... |
| 04:18.15 | demon | ah. I see. |
| 04:18.24 | fluffy_wolf | "These problems stem from the fact that package maintainers get creative and put XFree86 in non-standard places. Our "official" recommended way is to either compile XFree86 4.3.0 tree yourself (this way you can develop too) or to use plain XFree86 binaries - the ones in .tgz format." |
| 04:20.27 | fluffy_wolf | and I'm still not sure if I want to keep two separate boxes or move everything onto one. :) |
| 04:21.14 | fluffy_wolf | the box on the left is a p2-350... and I've noticed that other than chatting and browsing furry comics, I don't use it for anything anymore, instead using the box on the right, which is about 10 times faster... |
| 04:21.43 | p8m | patad: irssi! |
| 04:21.45 | fluffy_wolf | I do have a faster box I could replace it with, but I'm wondering if it's worth the effort, or if I should just copy the files onto the other box and go dual-headed. |
| 04:21.57 | p8m | : |
| 04:21.58 | p8m | ( |
| 04:22.44 | fluffy_wolf | ? |
| 04:23.05 | p8m | I still getting used to this client. :) |
| 04:23.35 | fluffy_wolf | heh |
| 04:24.17 | p8m | I say get more screens+computers |
| 04:25.11 | fluffy_wolf | so you think two screens on two computers is better than two screens on one computer? |
| 04:25.21 | fluffy_wolf | even though it's twice as many fans to listen to at night. :) |
| 04:30.10 | p8m | ya fans are noisy. Go with one comp and stick the other in a closet. |
| 04:31.17 | fluffy_wolf | heh |
| 04:31.30 | fluffy_wolf | a p2-350 is a bit slow even for a closet. :) |
| 04:31.39 | simonrvn | dual-head, less fans and more efficient |
| 04:32.41 | fluffy_wolf | yeah, but then I need to find a window manager that handles two screens well, etc... |
| 04:32.49 | fluffy_wolf | does icewm even handle dual-monitor setups? |
| 04:33.17 | simonrvn | i don't see why not, it tries to be icccm compliant |
| 04:34.00 | fluffy_wolf | I like having each monitor independent, with separate window lists, virtual desktops, etc... |
| 04:34.16 | demon | er... didn't think ICCCM covered multihead? |
| 04:34.32 | simonrvn | *shrug*. i thought it did. |
| 04:34.53 | demon | well, as I've never written a WM... what do I know :p |
| 04:35.57 | fluffy_wolf | hrmm. looks like icewm, in theory, supports it, but copy/paste between heads doesn't work without using a separate app |
| 04:37.08 | simonrvn | basically it's a set of standards to have wms have certain expected behaviours under the same conditions, like show/hide desktop, configurable wm hotkeys, etc. not sure if it covers dual-head, but that is a thing supported by the x server |
| 04:37.44 | fluffy_wolf | and half the people say it works with xinerama, who then get corrected by the other half saying it doesn't. repeat until end of thread. |
| 04:39.14 | fluffy_wolf | god. and the gatos page has to be one of the worst web sites I've used in a while. almost every page manages to contradict some other page in some way. |
| 04:39.33 | fluffy_wolf | there have 6 separate drivers/modules, and I have no fucking clue which one does what. :) |
| 04:39.50 | fluffy_wolf | km, ati.2, and v4l2 all claim to provide capture for my card |
| 04:40.17 | fluffy_wolf | except half them only talk about radeon cards |
| 04:40.24 | fluffy_wolf | despite the previous page listing my card |
| 04:40.25 | fluffy_wolf | grr |
| 04:41.56 | simonrvn | i know, it's confusing as hell |
| 04:42.46 | fluffy_wolf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:42.46 | fluffy_wolf | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:42.46 | fluffy_wolf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:42.48 | fluffy_wolf | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:42.50 | fluffy_wolf | LOL |
| 04:43.05 | fluffy_wolf | and if it wasn't confusing enough, they had to make an announcement in haiku. :P |
| 04:43.14 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 04:44.38 | fluffy_wolf | know what? I think I'm just going to test this using whatever built-in drive X is going to have for it (if its vesa, so be it), and only fuck with gatos if I decide to use this card. :) |
| 04:45.25 | fluffy_wolf | The following names were not renewed and will be deleted today: |
| 04:45.25 | fluffy_wolf | Domain Name: hugsnet.net |
| 04:45.36 | fluffy_wolf | a day elft for anyone who wants those. :) |
| 04:45.38 | fluffy_wolf | left |
| 05:02.54 | fluffy_wolf | welp, since I'm rather sure I don't have hotswapable pci, bbl so I can plug the card in. |
| 05:04.58 | fluffy_wolf | in a bit. want to finish reading this first. :) |
| 05:47.20 | fluffy_wolf | s/in a bit/tomorrow |
| 05:51.35 | fluffy_wolf | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7505828394&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1 <== what do those look like they're worth? |
| 05:51.53 | fluffy_wolf | bbl, food |
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| 06:41.33 | Meastapheles | hey have pmud and pbuttonsd merged? apt-get install pbbuttonsd wants to remove pmud |
| 06:44.47 | fluffy_wolf | or they can't run at once and conflict. :) |
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| 06:46.24 | Meastapheles | the person who wrote says he installed both |
| 06:46.29 | fluffy_wolf | dunno |
| 06:46.34 | fluffy_wolf | I haven't used either... |
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| 06:50.54 | fluffy_wolf | wb |
| 06:54.25 | simonrvn | thanks |
| 06:54.35 | simonrvn | plonk. froze again :(. but i got to test quik with compressed image support. works perfect |
| 06:57.19 | fluffy_wolf | heh |
| 06:57.49 | fluffy_wolf | I think I've decided to go with dual-headed instead of dual-boxed... all the fans are getting to me. :) |
| 06:57.54 | simonrvn | 5.5M 2005-03-30 06:28 vmlinux-2.6.11.6-pylon |
| 06:58.12 | simonrvn | 2.4M 2005-04-06 19:16 vmlinux-2.6.11.6-pylon.gzipped.gz |
| 06:59.13 | simonrvn | yeh. this one too. i gotta put the large fan in it. gets too hot otherwise. i have a desk fan blowing on it right now :( |
| 06:59.24 | simonrvn | i gotta re-arrage the drives i think |
| 07:01.54 | fluffy_wolf | the computer I was thinking of replacing the p2-350 with is bloody loud... I'm sure I could get a new quiet power supply and a new pair of quiet cpu fans, but I'm not convinced I still need two computers. |
| 07:02.10 | fluffy_wolf | bloody loud, as in, can't even hear the other two if I turn it on. |
| 07:02.36 | simonrvn | *nods* |
| 07:12.01 | fluffy_wolf | "gets too hot otherwise" I haven't had any overheating problems... CPUs run about 50C at full load (they're rated for 85C). and that's with both case fans unplugged. I could plug in the case fans, but they make it louder. :) |
| 07:12.11 | fluffy_wolf | 32C or so at idle |
| 07:12.38 | simonrvn | if i don't cool it, it easily hits 40. this a ppc, it's supposed to run cool |
| 07:12.55 | simonrvn | i have no idea what it's rated for |
| 07:13.10 | fluffy_wolf | heh |
| 07:13.14 | fluffy_wolf | intel cpus run hot |
| 07:13.22 | fluffy_wolf | 40 watts/cpu heat to dissipate... |
| 07:13.34 | fluffy_wolf | new ones are something ridiculus like 110 watts |
| 07:13.45 | simonrvn | yeh. so i heard. sick |
| 07:13.57 | simonrvn | 'ridiculous' |
| 07:14.16 | fluffy_wolf | I have a bad cold and can't breathe. my typing is below normal. :) |
| 07:14.29 | simonrvn | aaw |
| 07:14.34 | simonrvn | @comfort fluffy_wolf |
| 07:14.39 | ravenbird_ | There, there, fluffy_wolf. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 07:14.44 | fluffy_wolf | lol |
| 07:16.17 | fluffy_wolf | let's see... a dual cpu system, with each cpu drawing 110 watts, would cost me $19/month in electricity. just for the CPUs. |
| 07:17.02 | simonrvn | ugh |
| 07:17.16 | fluffy_wolf | figure twice that for the whole system |
| 07:18.09 | fluffy_wolf | if it draws 400 watts, that's 400/1000*0.12*24*30 dollars per month = $34.56. |
| 07:18.19 | fluffy_wolf | and people claim intel is cheaper than ppc. hrmm. :) |
| 07:18.53 | simonrvn | initial outlay. they don't figure everything else |
| 07:19.07 | fluffy_wolf | that's $415/year to run it at full cpu load |
| 07:19.15 | fluffy_wolf | not including a monitor, etc |
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| 07:20.35 | simonrvn | ugh |
| 07:26.11 | fluffy_wolf | that's a very good argument for getting a shiny ppc system, assuming the newest dual ones aren't also power hogs. |
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| 07:28.19 | simonrvn | they are are bit 'hungrier' though. but still lower. not by much more anymore though |
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| 07:34.25 | delyan | hello |
| 07:34.38 | fluffy_wolf | bbl, sleep |
| 07:34.46 | simonrvn | ok. g'night |
| 07:34.48 | fluffy_wolf | cyas |
| 07:34.59 | simonrvn | see ya |
| 07:36.13 | delyan | i need help with the rear surround of a turtle beach santa cruz and alsa. currently, only the front speakers work |
| 07:38.30 | simonrvn | same thing goes here, fyi |
| 07:40.37 | delyan | heh |
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| 07:45.46 | simonrvn | delyan: did you read what the bot told you before? it'll explain what i mean by "just ask" |
| 07:47.21 | delyan | simonrvn: please stop this... |
| 07:48.37 | simonrvn | stop what? i'm trying to get across to you that your statement doesn't explain what the problem is, nor what kind of system this is on, etc. we're not mind readers, and we're not over there, seeing what's happening. |
| 07:52.07 | delyan | simonrvn: just ignore my writings, alright ? |
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| 07:53.32 | simonrvn | sure |
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| 07:54.07 | grxmrx | does linux kernel 2.6.8-powerpc that is available at debian packages support the pegasos2? keyboard and mouse doesn't work with this version here (only 2.6.8-pegasos and 2.4.x that I have installed a year ago (from packages available then at Sven site) work fine...), it's not the X's problem (even if I run linux without Xfree86 or X.org keyboard doesn't work) |
| 07:54.41 | simonrvn | dunno, ask svenl |
| 07:55.03 | simonrvn | i *think* it's chrp though. but again, ask svenl he'll know |
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| 08:03.15 | Meastapheles | I seem to having problems with pbuttonsd and its gtk front. I try to start gtkbbuttuns but it seems to stall at with no gui starting. My touch pad seems to have changerd though, no tap |
| 08:04.20 | Meastapheles | I installed pbbuttons because I thought pmud did no have a gui, but seems gtkpbuttons has problems, or am I missing something? |
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| 08:05.18 | simonrvn | dunno |
| 08:07.43 | simonrvn | @ask |
| 08:07.43 | ravenbird_ | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. It's a bit redundant and it makes some folks grumpy. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people ... |
| 08:08.27 | simonrvn | @ask |
| 08:08.27 | ravenbird_ | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. It's a bit redundant and it makes some folks grumpy. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people ... |
| 08:10.17 | Meastapheles | where's this comming from? |
| 08:10.32 | simonrvn | a mysql database |
| 08:10.43 | Meastapheles | lol |
| 08:11.13 | simonrvn | sorry, wasn't meant for you, was just seeing what it looked like in-channel |
| 08:11.22 | Meastapheles | oh |
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| 08:32.13 | Meastapheles | simonrvn: are these power utilities supposed to be run root? |
| 08:32.35 | simonrvn | dunno, never used one |
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| 08:48.26 | Meastapheles | night |
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| 09:50.11 | AlverGone | Is there any third-party mirror for packages like mplayer? |
| 09:50.25 | AlverGone | x86 has marillat, but apparently he forgot about ppc :) |
| 10:09.10 | Bor_Ed | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:09.10 | Bor_Ed | deb-src ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main |
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| 10:16.41 | AlverGone | Thanks |
| 10:16.54 | AlverGone | Messing with mouse button emu now |
| 10:17.28 | AlverGone | Best java option for ppc is blackdown, right? |
| 10:18.04 | Bor_Ed | no java for sid/sarge currently :/ |
| 10:18.27 | AlverGone | wha? :o |
| 10:18.31 | Bor_Ed | but if you want to dev... get ibm jdk |
| 10:18.47 | AlverGone | Yea, I definitely need java... |
| 10:18.57 | AlverGone | (pc banking is java applet) |
| 10:19.13 | Bor_Ed | pseries 32 bit java from ibm site |
| 10:19.47 | Bor_Ed | bank uses java ?? sheesh |
| 10:21.19 | AlverGone | Duh, what else |
| 10:21.22 | AlverGone | ActiveX? :P |
| 10:21.33 | Bor_Ed | ssl/ssh text pages ? |
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| 10:21.54 | Bor_Ed | www.nordea.fi for example... I have www.sampo.fi though |
| 10:21.59 | AlverGone | has to work for any OS |
| 10:22.08 | simonrvn | i wouldn't bank online if you paid me |
| 10:22.21 | Bor_Ed | finnish banks use pure text over ssl mostly |
| 10:22.38 | AlverGone | hehe... people would drop such a bank right away here |
| 10:22.47 | simonrvn | eew |
| 10:22.55 | Bor_Ed | simonrvn, I wouldn't from public boxen either... though I believe this box works with that task ok |
| 10:22.55 | AlverGone | well, no big difference though - applet uses an SSL connection to the bank |
| 10:23.01 | simonrvn | text++ |
| 10:23.14 | simonrvn | java-- |
| 10:23.17 | Bor_Ed | mmmm |
| 10:23.40 | simonrvn | even from a private box i wouldn't |
| 10:24.04 | Bor_Ed | it's relatively secure nowadays |
| 10:24.22 | Bor_Ed | (and I don't have that good balance on account that I really would care :) |
| 10:24.44 | simonrvn | a) they rob us enough as it is b) sooner or later SSL/TLS is going to be useless c) i don't trust it |
| 10:25.14 | Bor_Ed | banks rob evven more if you bother to drag yer butt to the desk there |
| 10:25.32 | simonrvn | not here |
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| 10:25.46 | Bor_Ed | it's several euros to pay a bill on desk here |
| 10:25.58 | AlverGone | Anyway... no blackdown for sarge, where do I look then? |
| 10:26.11 | Bor_Ed | as I said, ibm pseries 32 bit java |
| 10:26.32 | Bor_Ed | it's not a browser plugin but if you have the addy, you can use it |
| 10:29.16 | AlverGone | mmm |
| 10:29.54 | simonrvn | Bor_Ed: not here, but they try to sell you things, like CCs, and other crap... |
| 10:30.17 | Bor_Ed | here CC's aren't even possibility if you don't make 30k eur/year |
| 10:30.40 | Bor_Ed | and guess who doesn't :/ I'd buy new scootah instantly if I could get credit for it |
| 10:30.48 | simonrvn | they don't care here. they specifically target poor people too. it's sick |
| 10:31.13 | Bor_Ed | sheesh, I'll move to canada then :P |
| 10:31.48 | simonrvn | pfff ;p |
| 10:31.53 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 10:33.18 | Bor_Ed | I really need to get rid of the ~7k student loan before I can think of getting new |
| 10:34.09 | bioterror | bor_ed, how did you get that much? |
| 10:34.22 | bioterror | bor_ed, I have managed to get only 800e ;) |
| 10:34.30 | Bor_Ed | some vocational school, couple of times in polytechnic and so on |
| 10:34.38 | Bor_Ed | always got full loan :/ |
| 10:34.55 | bioterror | it's nasty when you can get whole sum from the bank |
| 10:35.03 | bioterror | I can only 400e / 2 months |
| 10:35.23 | Bor_Ed | not really, we pretty much needed the money at the time I did get the loans to account |
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| 10:40.24 | AlverGone | Bor_Ed: blackdown 1.3.1 seems to exist for sarge |
| 10:40.55 | Q-FUNK | seems we have some progress on the ALSA issue: Ben is getting involved again :) |
| 10:41.04 | Bor_Ed | yup... but it doesn't work with new moz/FF builds |
| 10:42.06 | Bor_Ed | aww shit, I've lost the lottery ticket when I dropped to downtown |
| 10:44.35 | simonrvn | this thing peaked at 131 MB. not bad considering what i'm doing to it ;) |
| 10:44.54 | Bor_Ed | hmm ? |
| 10:45.33 | simonrvn | i'm running rdoc (generates documentation from comments in the source) in my system-wide ruby dir |
| 10:45.42 | Bor_Ed | ahh |
| 10:46.01 | Bor_Ed | why don't ya just use mockos instead of the bloatware ? |
| 10:46.25 | simonrvn | eh? |
| 10:46.40 | Bor_Ed | nada, forget :) |
| 10:46.40 | simonrvn | oh, rdoc is just a terminal based thing |
| 10:46.56 | Bor_Ed | still seems to be resource hog |
| 10:47.08 | simonrvn | no, there' a lot of it that's why |
| 10:47.11 | simonrvn | s |
| 10:47.23 | Bor_Ed | yea, I got it |
| 10:47.31 | simonrvn | :) |
| 10:47.48 | simonrvn | wee, 138 now =) |
| 10:48.05 | Bor_Ed | sheesh |
| 10:48.20 | Bor_Ed | I have 160 megs on this beast total... maybe I should purge the rdoc :D |
| 10:48.38 | simonrvn | almost done the first part, then it'll drop mem use as it parses the data out to disk |
| 10:48.53 | simonrvn | here it goes |
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| 10:49.03 | Uranus | hello |
| 10:49.09 | Uranus | I've got a little problem here |
| 10:49.10 | simonrvn | hit 141 |
| 10:49.15 | Bor_Ed | mmm |
| 10:49.31 | Uranus | I'm installing debian on an imac g3 233mhz (bondi) |
| 10:49.37 | Uranus | but xf86 won't work |
| 10:49.48 | simonrvn | dotfiles.com |
| 10:49.54 | Uranus | when I run it, with multiple configurations, the screen goes black and the light goes orange |
| 10:50.44 | Uranus | and when I kill the xserver I see a bunch of messages saying "Not using default mode..." |
| 10:50.51 | Uranus | anyone seen this before? |
| 10:51.31 | Bor_Ed | check the site simonrvn just gave |
| 10:51.31 | simonrvn | http://www.dotfiles.com |
| 10:51.41 | Uranus | ok |
| 10:51.48 | Uranus | I didn't see that was for me, sorry |
| 10:51.49 | Uranus | thanks |
| 10:51.56 | Bor_Ed | np :) |
| 10:52.10 | simonrvn | there's 2 XF86Config-4 files there, one for rev a and another for rev b. one of them should work |
| 10:52.33 | Uranus | thanks a lot |
| 10:52.44 | Bor_Ed | isn't the blue imac just 1024x768 with rage 128 gfx ? |
| 10:53.03 | Bor_Ed | or do they still have mach64 ? |
| 10:53.04 | simonrvn | yeh. but the "monitor" is really picky |
| 10:53.10 | Uranus | mach64 |
| 10:53.18 | Uranus | is mine |
| 10:53.26 | simonrvn | oops, my bad |
| 10:53.39 | Bor_Ed | I see |
| 10:54.04 | Bor_Ed | only mockos resolutions/refresh rates accepted ? :) |
| 10:54.24 | simonrvn | need modelines |
| 10:54.37 | simonrvn | basically, yes |
| 10:54.51 | Bor_Ed | thank gawd I have peecee tft hooked to the gfx card here |
| 10:55.10 | simonrvn | i have this 15" multi-scan |
| 10:55.25 | Bor_Ed | I'll buy 15 or 17 inch tft 'soon' |
| 10:55.43 | Bor_Ed | I'll sell this screen for carpc :P |
| 10:56.25 | bioterror | I don't like TFT's. too small resolution |
| 10:56.39 | Bor_Ed | 17" ones have 1280x1024 nowadays |
| 10:56.42 | bioterror | and my table space would be filled with moore beer/soda bottles ;) |
| 10:56.48 | bioterror | bor_ed, it's too small :D |
| 10:56.51 | Bor_Ed | bleh |
| 10:56.59 | simonrvn | "too small"? |
| 10:57.03 | bioterror | I have now 1344x1008 and this is getting small |
| 10:57.11 | Bor_Ed | I'll get 1024x768 here... this 800x600 is getting a bit full with some apps |
| 10:57.12 | Q-FUNK | I'd love to replace all those CRTs I have here with a nice 15" TFT (for the vintage hardware) and a 21" TFT (for recent workstations). |
| 10:57.16 | simonrvn | try 832x624... |
| 10:57.33 | Q-FUNK | ouch |
| 10:57.33 | Bor_Ed | this screens native resolution is 800x600 |
| 10:57.41 | Uranus | wow, the revB one worked |
| 10:57.43 | bioterror | my laptop do have 800x600 ;D |
| 10:57.49 | simonrvn | though i have 1024x768 with this 15"er |
| 10:57.55 | Uranus | except for that the screen is now a box not using the entire monitor |
| 10:58.35 | simonrvn | Uranus: it doesn't usually |
| 10:59.01 | Uranus | hmmm |
| 10:59.33 | Bor_Ed | you can fiddle the modelines on xvidtune but I really don't think it's worth it |
| 11:00.04 | simonrvn | isn't on the imacs screens |
| 11:01.17 | Bor_Ed | leet :P |
| 11:01.21 | Uranus | ok it works now |
| 11:01.34 | simonrvn | @congratulate Uranus |
| 11:01.35 | Uranus | I added a Modes line and changed the default depth to 16 |
| 11:01.36 | ravenbird | hooray Uranus, you did it! |
| 11:01.45 | Bor_Ed | lol |
| 11:01.46 | AlverGone | Bor_Ed: had to :) top 5 pix of screen were not visible |
| 11:01.50 | Uranus | not very complicated |
| 11:01.57 | simonrvn | nope :) |
| 11:01.59 | Bor_Ed | AlverGone, aww buggr :) |
| 11:04.40 | simonrvn | 38% of mem, or 192 mb |
| 11:04.59 | Bor_Ed | you have 'some' ram there on the box ? :o |
| 11:05.04 | simonrvn | 512 |
| 11:05.12 | simonrvn | + 512 swap |
| 11:05.26 | Q-FUNK | xvidtune helped a bit here, but the image is still skewed. I would need to rotate it just a tad counter-clockwise. |
| 11:05.42 | Bor_Ed | I'm thinking of getting full (768) to this but I really don't know... this requires 'low profile dimms', isn't that normal peecee dimm nowadays ? |
| 11:06.02 | simonrvn | i'm more worried about the disk usage :/ |
| 11:06.11 | simonrvn | no idea |
| 11:06.31 | Bor_Ed | I need to get one stick to the junkyard shop to check out |
| 11:06.40 | Q-FUNK | brb |
| 11:13.21 | simonrvn | woohoo just finished |
| 11:13.28 | simonrvn | 215176k free |
| 11:14.17 | Bor_Ed | swapoff -a && swapon -a ? :) |
| 11:15.02 | simonrvn | no, the ruby process quit, and left that free ;) |
| 11:15.20 | AlverGone | Not bad |
| 11:15.21 | AlverGone | heh |
| 11:15.33 | AlverGone | A bit like my population simulator in java... |
| 11:15.59 | AlverGone | when that one was done, it freed ~1.3 gigs of memory |
| 11:16.13 | simonrvn | generated 44 MB of html |
| 11:16.42 | Bor_Ed | nice tiny package :D |
| 11:16.45 | simonrvn | *whistle* |
| 11:16.53 | AlverGone | let's load that as a website? |
| 11:17.24 | simonrvn | local use |
| 11:17.26 | Bor_Ed | it'll only be an hour to load it on this connection :D |
| 11:18.16 | AlverGone | only? |
| 11:19.03 | simonrvn | no, about 8591 individual files |
| 11:19.23 | Bor_Ed | ahh, ~90 mins with that many files |
| 11:19.46 | simonrvn | few secs. they're hyperlinked, etc. |
| 11:20.04 | simonrvn | largest one seems to be ~30-40 k |
| 11:20.58 | Bor_Ed | this connection has pretty bad latency |
| 11:21.14 | simonrvn | sooo, ~10-30 secs? |
| 11:21.41 | Bor_Ed | probably something like that if the isp proxy and dns work |
| 11:22.51 | simonrvn | you have a dns proxy? ugh |
| 11:23.06 | Bor_Ed | dns and proxy from isp both run on M$ |
| 11:23.18 | Bor_Ed | I just have own proxies to back up the isp fuckups |
| 11:24.51 | simonrvn | oh ok. eew, M$hit :( |
| 11:25.01 | Bor_Ed | that |
| 11:26.38 | Bor_Ed | http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/hosted?netname=FI-ELISA,193.229.8.0,193.229.11.255 new isp seems to have decent gear |
| 11:27.39 | simonrvn | well, it's a unix, if proprietary |
| 11:28.02 | Bor_Ed | slowaris is decent *nix |
| 11:28.20 | AlverGone | w00t, imac ethernet finally works at full speed |
| 11:28.21 | Bor_Ed | and they're pretty open for properietary company nowadays |
| 11:29.28 | simonrvn | f/oss pressure, no doubt |
| 11:29.51 | simonrvn | though novell and ibm are moving in pretty hard |
| 11:30.23 | Bor_Ed | novell isn't.. it's just buying foss vendors |
| 11:30.33 | simonrvn | hmm, true |
| 11:30.41 | AlverGone | they're contributing too |
| 11:30.49 | AlverGone | slowly yet steadily |
| 11:31.05 | simonrvn | more slowly than ibm however. but whateva =) |
| 11:31.18 | Bor_Ed | yup... but ibm has pretty good documentation and bits of code opened |
| 11:31.41 | simonrvn | yes |
| 11:32.16 | simonrvn | i'll be *so* glad when the last windoze machine dies |
| 11:32.31 | Bor_Ed | I always read the * from ibm at linuxdevices.com when they release new articles :) |
| 11:34.41 | simonrvn | heh :) |
| 11:35.05 | simonrvn | oh, and |
| 11:35.10 | simonrvn | @kill aol proxies |
| 11:35.28 | simonrvn | killed by their own crap! :) |
| 11:35.42 | Bor_Ed | mmm |
| 11:36.05 | Bor_Ed | aol isn't much of a problem here on tundra, they haven't bothered to spread to here :D |
| 11:36.09 | simonrvn | WEB-MISC Invalid HTTP Version String [Classification: Detection of a non-standard protocol or event] [Priority: 2]: {TCP} 152.163.100.131 (...) |
| 11:36.30 | simonrvn | ...for every 'hit' from one of their proxies |
| 11:37.57 | simonrvn | they also behave like one of those 'download accelerators', where one host fetches a piece of the page content, so you get like 20 connections at once |
| 11:38.14 | Bor_Ed | hmm |
| 11:38.45 | Bor_Ed | this connection dies at ~10 connections :) |
| 11:39.08 | simonrvn | :/ |
| 11:39.28 | Bor_Ed | well, I'll get a new isp to new joint... |
| 11:40.40 | simonrvn | you're moving? |
| 11:40.54 | Bor_Ed | yup |
| 11:41.02 | simonrvn | same town? |
| 11:41.12 | Bor_Ed | just couple of weeks and we live ~800 meters from here |
| 11:41.28 | Bor_Ed | same town |
| 11:41.39 | bioterror | bor_ed do you change away from netikka? |
| 11:41.51 | Bor_Ed | FINALLY yes ) |
| 11:42.03 | simonrvn | ok |
| 11:42.41 | Bor_Ed | bioterror, I'll get elisa 512/512 for starters |
| 11:43.12 | AlverGone | hehe |
| 11:43.14 | bioterror | bor_ed, I have DNA 8/1. it isn't really that much expensive ;) |
| 11:43.30 | Bor_Ed | dna isn't possible here, thanks to vlp/netikka |
| 11:43.30 | bioterror | 1Mbit is good too |
| 11:44.02 | bioterror | it's nice with my 8200/120 when my updates/apt-get's comes faster than it can install :D |
| 11:44.08 | Bor_Ed | hehe |
| 11:45.18 | Bor_Ed | I don't know yet what kind of topology I build to the new joint, I got free adsl router from elisa when I signed the contract... it has some sort of FW inside too but dunno if it can be trusted |
| 11:46.08 | Alver | Bor_Ed: prefab routers are crap... better to allow all traffic and use your own iptables rules behind it |
| 11:46.28 | Bor_Ed | yea, that's what I thought too |
| 11:47.28 | Alver | hint: everytime you change a firewalling rule on those prefab boxes, it needs to be rebooted --> all connections drop for ~30 secs |
| 11:47.28 | Bor_Ed | a-link roadrunner 44 c |
| 11:47.30 | Bor_Ed | maybe I'll just hack emdebian in the beast :P |
| 11:47.34 | Alver | heh |
| 11:47.41 | Alver | don't screw it up eh :P |
| 11:48.01 | Bor_Ed | firmware is updateable so what could go wrong :D |
| 11:48.10 | Alver | mmm, true :) |
| 11:48.37 | bioterror | bor_ed, did you get Telewell? |
| 11:48.53 | Bor_Ed | uCLinux kernel, uclibc, busybox, ash, telnetd and that's about it |
| 11:49.12 | Bor_Ed | bioterror, nope, the a-link roadrunner 44c 4 port switch |
| 11:49.22 | bioterror | I have A-link but it's just normal |
| 11:50.46 | Bor_Ed | hmm, what's the diff with lego blocks and sex ? |
| 11:51.04 | simonrvn | sex is better ;) |
| 11:51.19 | Bor_Ed | wrong answer but so true :) |
| 11:51.51 | bioterror | tell us |
| 11:51.55 | bioterror | hop hop hop! |
| 11:52.17 | Bor_Ed | if you don't know, go play with the lego blocks :D |
| 11:52.25 | bioterror | hoh |
| 11:52.30 | bioterror | maybe I will |
| 11:52.48 | Bor_Ed | anyway, time to tune telly for simpsons |
| 11:53.04 | bioterror | new season sucks ass |
| 11:53.06 | simonrvn | see ya |
| 11:53.10 | bioterror | it's just jokes after jokes :( |
| 11:53.18 | bioterror | headless jokes |
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| 12:02.46 | Alver | Yea, there's no decent storylines anymore |
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| 12:08.30 | Bor_Ed | nope, but homer gets ass kicked from brit queens guards :D |
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| 12:33.53 | Alver | Hmm, there's no xchat-systray listed for ppc. Bugger. |
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| 12:47.53 | Bor_Ed | @3 buttons |
| 12:47.53 | ravenbird | sysctl -w dev.mac_hid.mouse_button_emulation=1, and dev.mac_hid.mouse_buttonY_keycode=XX -- where XX is a number you get from showkey (in console only), the key you want, and Y is 2 or 3. however, you'll lose functionality of the selected keys for any other use, or to make the change permanent, add the entries to /etc/sysctl.conf - man sysctl.conf, and you can ... |
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| 12:58.36 | Bor_Ed | apt shows several, I recall using cheesetracker some years ago |
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| 16:05.02 | Coutal | anybody here? |
| 16:06.21 | Bor_Ed | ~63 nicks |
| 16:06.28 | Coutal | and still, silence :) |
| 16:06.39 | Bor_Ed | shh, we're having a nap |
| 16:06.43 | Coutal | i see |
| 16:07.03 | Coutal | i'm busying myself trying to make good use of my powermac 5500 |
| 16:07.19 | Coutal | but i have reached some kind of a dead-end |
| 16:07.23 | Bor_Ed | media server ? |
| 16:07.51 | Coutal | i have two funny options: one, trying to push it all the way through OS X Jaguar with the help of os9helper and XPostFacto |
| 16:08.04 | Coutal | two, installing linux on it and making it some kind of a media server |
| 16:08.34 | Bor_Ed | I'd suggest the later option |
| 16:08.48 | Coutal | that's the path i went with |
| 16:08.58 | Coutal | but i'm having some problems with the nic |
| 16:09.33 | Bor_Ed | hmm, that box would do nicely as desktop too (just loaded its info) |
| 16:09.55 | Coutal | yep, it's also the 275mhz model that never made it to the US |
| 16:10.24 | Coutal | and i managed to find some memory sticks to upgrade it to 128mb (came with 32x2) |
| 16:10.40 | pahartik | Coutal: are you talking about "0000:00:11.0 Ethernet controller: Digital Equipment Corporation DECchip 21041 [Tulip Pass 3] (rev 21)"? |
| 16:10.56 | simonrvn | tulip driver ;) |
| 16:10.58 | Coutal | pahartik: definitely. i found your name on the web regarding it. but i have some more insights to add :) |
| 16:11.03 | Bor_Ed | or |
| 16:11.04 | Bor_Ed | 0000:00:0d.0 Ethernet controller: Digital Equipment Corporation DECchip 21041 [Tulip Pass 3] (rev 21) |
| 16:11.15 | Coutal | it's at 11.0 on my box |
| 16:11.38 | Coutal | it's currently running with intermittent disconnects with the de4x5 driver |
| 16:12.20 | Bor_Ed | hmm, I seem to have the driver built to kernel |
| 16:12.57 | Coutal | i think i have found the source and reason for the disconnects though |
| 16:13.39 | Coutal | what happens is that at some point, packets start getting back at an incorrect order from the driver |
| 16:13.58 | Bor_Ed | upgrade the kernel |
| 16:14.10 | Coutal | i'm running 2.6.8 right now, with 2.6.11 compiling |
| 16:14.20 | Coutal | i have tried 2.4.30 and got the same results |
| 16:14.23 | Bor_Ed | I have 2.6.11.6 or something like that here |
| 16:14.47 | Coutal | where would i get that? i always went with kernel.org stock kernels, but maybe ppc requires a bit more diligence |
| 16:14.58 | Bor_Ed | kernel.org stock source |
| 16:15.23 | Coutal | oh, right |
| 16:15.28 | Coutal | 2.6.11.7 is out |
| 16:15.29 | Bor_Ed | 2.6.11.7 seems to be the one available currently |
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| 16:15.37 | Bor_Ed | yea, this is 2 weeks old kernel :/ |
| 16:15.54 | Coutal | :P |
| 16:16.06 | Coutal | and you have that card running with no problems whatsoever? |
| 16:16.33 | Bor_Ed | I have the tulip card running on debian built 2.4.27 kernel without probs |
| 16:16.57 | Coutal | weird. i have problems with the 2.4.30 tree. which driver do you use? |
| 16:17.25 | Bor_Ed | no idea, it uses built in driver |
| 16:17.35 | Coutal | you compiled it in? not as a module? |
| 16:17.56 | Bor_Ed | looks like it's not a module |
| 16:18.32 | Coutal | i'll give the debian built kernel a shot if 2.6.11.7 fails me as well |
| 16:19.11 | Coutal | but getting the rest of the stuff to work could be a serious pain, if possible at all. i already noted that neither the FM tuner nor the video i/o board appear on the PCI bus |
| 16:19.53 | Bor_Ed | I had bt878 based video/telly card ripped from peecee and it worked ok |
| 16:21.08 | Coutal | yes but that kinda defeats the whole point of having a machine with all the goodies already there |
| 16:21.09 | Coutal | :) |
| 16:22.17 | Coutal | there's one more oddity i have to say - the two drivers on linux detect this card as having totally different MAC addresses |
| 16:22.28 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: you have "CommSlot II ethernet adapter" from Apple Computer? |
| 16:22.41 | Bor_Ed | pahartik, I dont' think so... why ? |
| 16:23.28 | Coutal | that's the card i'm having the problems with |
| 16:23.44 | Bor_Ed | the one I have is pci I think |
| 16:24.00 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: because PowerMacintosh 5500 does have CommSlot II and one PCI slot |
| 16:24.26 | Bor_Ed | pahartik, I have the card on 4400 here... |
| 16:24.56 | Coutal | i'm pretty determined to make the card work. i can feel it's almost there. |
| 16:25.25 | Bor_Ed | could be just that another kernel (or driver) works with it |
| 16:25.41 | Coutal | i have tried several now |
| 16:26.05 | pahartik | Coutal: i am sure it would be possible to fix driver to deal properly with that card, since it works well without timed reset on traditional MacOS |
| 16:26.23 | Coutal | yeah, i checked that on my MacOS 8.1 partition |
| 16:27.33 | Coutal | pahartik: i just checked the oui database on both addresses the drivers attempt to configure the card. both are properly registered to apple computers |
| 16:27.40 | pahartik | Coutal: i am going to check with Intel EtherExpress gigabit ethernet adapter on PCI slot soon |
| 16:28.03 | Coutal | what's even more weird though, is that both modes at least see traffic |
| 16:28.23 | Coutal | you'd think one address is wrongly assigned to a non-existant media transciever. but both work |
| 16:32.00 | Coutal | there's another problem - i can't seem to properly compile tulip-diag, it rants about missing outb/inb instructions when trying to link |
| 16:37.31 | Coutal | eureka! |
| 16:37.44 | Coutal | there is a patch that never made it to the formal de4x5 |
| 16:38.36 | Coutal | now i have to forward-port it to 2.6.11.7 :) |
| 16:38.54 | Coutal | pahartik, you there/ |
| 16:40.32 | Coutal | bbl |
| 16:43.58 | simonrvn | cool |
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| 17:09.47 | a_monkey | i need to rotate my screen slighty counterclockwise, but was told that i can't do that with software; that i could only do it with the "buttons on my monitor". my eMac doesn't have monitor buttons! |
| 17:10.05 | a_monkey | can anybody give me some pointers? |
| 17:10.17 | a_monkey | and no, xvidtune can't rotate my screen |
| 17:11.25 | a_monkey | my modelines are perfectly correct; i created them using the data an osx .app called "DisplayConfigX" gave me |
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| 17:33.27 | Bor_Ed | irc whore :P |
| 17:34.17 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: and i like it? |
| 17:34.30 | Bor_Ed | I know, I know ... |
| 17:37.15 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: but i had to get off from bus and then walked around downtown, so i could not answer to Coutal |
| 17:37.41 | Bor_Ed | I turned screen on just couple of mins ago here too |
| 17:39.28 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: sure it would be nice to get driver fixed for CommSlot II ethernet adapter |
| 17:39.49 | Bor_Ed | I see, yer using pci card now or ? |
| 17:41.34 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: yes, at the moment it does have 3Com 3C590-something from Q-FUNK |
| 17:42.20 | Bor_Ed | just get usb2.0 card so that the pci slot goes to decent use... you can get 100Mbit eth adapter and loads of other stuff hooked to such |
| 17:44.06 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: no, but i might use it for IEEE-1394 to connect network and other things |
| 17:44.38 | Bor_Ed | firewire has network adapters too ? |
| 17:45.38 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: IEEE-1394 does not need adapters to get networking over it... |
| 17:46.00 | Bor_Ed | how you get it hooked up then to 10/100BaseT ? |
| 17:46.54 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: i can enable IP forwarding on host with both, ethernet and IEEE-1394 |
| 17:47.07 | Bor_Ed | ookay |
| 17:48.25 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: problem could be that IEEE-1394 adapters seem to be sensitive to good/bad PCI slots on PowerMacintosh |
| 17:49.00 | Bor_Ed | there are bad pci slots ? like timing probs or ? |
| 17:49.46 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: i do not know, but some PCI devices are sensitive to it |
| 17:50.13 | Bor_Ed | probably high bandwidth ones |
| 17:50.31 | Bor_Ed | though I haven't had any probs with the usb 2.0 card here |
| 17:50.32 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: "DXR3" worked but had weird audio on "bad PCI slot" |
| 17:51.44 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: ...Advansys SCSI adapter locks kernel after some use... |
| 17:54.59 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: ...EPIC100 ethernet adapter hangs on any "ifconfig" attempts... |
| 17:56.17 | Bor_Ed | nice to know that if I encouter to probs with cards it might be solved with changing the slot |
| 17:56.22 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: and some PCI devices work fine on those slots... and affected PCI devices work fine or have less problems on "good PCI slot" |
| 17:57.57 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: PowerMacintosh 5500 does have bad PCI slot, PowerMacintosh 7500 and 7300 have good PCI slot (in the middle) |
| 17:58.25 | Bor_Ed | and 4400, 8200 and g3 have ? :) |
| 17:58.47 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: various kernels tried, various PCI devices tried, no idea why it exactly happens but it just happens |
| 17:59.10 | Bor_Ed | I see |
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| 18:03.04 | edward__ | hi to you all |
| 18:03.17 | p8m | hi |
| 18:03.31 | edward__ | who got he mppe patch working... ? |
| 18:04.43 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: i tried to buy PowerMacintosh 4400 from neighbour but he apparently did not want to sell |
| 18:04.58 | Bor_Ed | I have 4400/200 as server here |
| 18:06.27 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: local Macintosh store does considers that as "problem workstation" |
| 18:06.49 | Bor_Ed | naa, 4400 is the same board as most clones had |
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| 18:07.37 | jc-denton | hi all |
| 18:07.45 | Bor_Ed | evening |
| 18:07.53 | jc-denton | is anybody here using linux on a mini? |
| 18:07.56 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: but i think it is not so good choice if one plans to run traditional MacOS |
| 18:08.21 | Bor_Ed | dunno, I had 4400/200 earlier as desktop box too |
| 18:09.49 | Bor_Ed | you have ipaq with familiar or mac lappie ? |
| 18:11.50 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: Apple iBook G4 and Handspring Visor Edge |
| 18:12.06 | Bor_Ed | ahh |
| 18:12.25 | Bor_Ed | is edge strongarm based or motorola ? |
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| 18:18.33 | Q-FUNK | pahartik: where are you eating at? |
| 18:19.04 | Bor_Ed | he prolly packed the lappie up... |
| 18:21.37 | fluffy_wolf | "<delyan> simonrvn: just ignore my writings, alright ? |
| 18:21.38 | fluffy_wolf | LOL |
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| 18:31.26 | fluffy_wolf | back in a bit. need to ruin my uptime by putting in hardware... |
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| 18:54.27 | pahartik | Q-FUNK: at "2h+k"... it is new place near Napoli |
| 18:57.29 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: m68k |
| 18:59.32 | Bor_Ed | ahh, a bit too slow to my taste |
| 19:02.21 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: i do not use it for networking anymore, just for calendar, contact information and password storage |
| 19:02.32 | Bor_Ed | right |
| 19:02.41 | Bor_Ed | ipaq 3600 would do ok for networking too |
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| 19:13.40 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: on PalmOS device speed was not the problem... |
| 19:15.10 | Bor_Ed | not really, but on networking it comes one pretty fast |
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| 19:16.19 | randyg | icewm + xinerama = crappy |
| 19:17.13 | Bor_Ed | icewm == crappy |
| 19:17.19 | Bor_Ed | winhoser95 wannabe |
| 19:17.37 | randyg | and what do you recommend? TWM? :P |
| 19:17.43 | Bor_Ed | mmm |
| 19:17.51 | Bor_Ed | xpde really |
| 19:18.15 | Bor_Ed | it's at least windozerXP wannabe |
| 19:18.22 | randyg | heh |
| 19:18.27 | pahartik | randyg: pwm, xfwm4 |
| 19:18.36 | Bor_Ed | xfwm4 is ok |
| 19:19.24 | quantum_mechanic | hi i have a ibook and want to install debian. do you find that the machine lasts as long between charges under debian as under mac osx? it is a 1.2 ibook 12" |
| 19:20.54 | quantum_mechanic | i used a friends averatek machine and it only lasts 1/2 hour before crashing due to lack of power |
| 19:20.54 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: i found good IRC client, i found good IMAP client and some other software... i was willing to pay but nobody wanted to accept IBAN/SWIFT money transfer... so much for it then... |
| 19:21.51 | Bor_Ed | pahartik, I have midpssh and jmirc on cell for those needs :P |
| 19:22.51 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: ...i now have iBook G4 with Bluetooth for everything... |
| 19:23.21 | Bor_Ed | I'd like to get toshiba libretto... ibooks are a bit too big and expensive for a toy |
| 19:25.14 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: as long as i get to decide, i will avoid wintels at all costs :) |
| 19:25.26 | Bor_Ed | but librettos are tiny |
| 19:25.41 | Bor_Ed | another option would be psion series 7 but those aren't actually cheap eeither |
| 19:27.51 | randyg | icewm doesn't seem to offer any option to have separate sets of desktops for each monitor |
| 19:28.18 | randyg | what window manager lets me have separate desktops on each screen, and switch them separately? |
| 19:28.28 | jaska | ion |
| 19:28.49 | jaska | i use ion2 in pwm-mode |
| 19:28.58 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: how about Nokia Communicator 9500? |
| 19:29.27 | Bor_Ed | pahartik, I don't dare to dig rubber boot from my pocket when it starts to beep :P |
| 19:29.38 | dj-death | quantum_mechanic: my ibook runs for about 4hours with default battery |
| 19:31.08 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: it is smaller than iBook G4 |
| 19:31.11 | randyg | "Ion, based on PWM, is an unusual window manager with no overlapping windows. Windows are placed in tabbed frames which may be arbitrarily split to create" sounds awful. :P |
| 19:33.34 | p8m | Ion is awesome, no mouse needed :) |
| 19:34.07 | randyg | brb |
| 19:34.56 | pahartik | jaska: i do use pwm... what does ion offer as pwm-mode? |
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| 19:36.16 | randyg | and without xinerama, icewm won't even acknowledge the existance of the other screen... |
| 19:40.18 | p8m | EricBlade: are you on the sid mailing list? |
| 19:40.20 | p8m | htnsaoeuaoeuhtsn |
| 19:40.38 | randyg | if, for example, you drag a window onto the other screen, it reappears coming in from the side of the same screen. lol |
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| 19:43.25 | randyg | running two copies of icewm works, but still can't move windows between screens |
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| 19:58.30 | quantum_mechanic | i suspended my sefl to disk here |
| 20:00.16 | quantum_mechanic | dj-death |
| 20:00.21 | quantum_mechanic | that is amazing |
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| 20:01.17 | quantum_mechanic | can you also just close it and open it up a few days later like under osx? |
| 20:01.42 | dj-death | quantum_mechanic: not tried |
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| 20:01.57 | dj-death | quantum_mechanic: but I dont think so |
| 20:02.16 | dj-death | quantum_mechanic: linux does not seem to unpower usb |
| 20:02.41 | dj-death | quantum_mechanic: so it consumes much more battery life even suspended |
| 20:02.54 | quantum_mechanic | is it the usb and other periferals htat are the problem? |
| 20:03.02 | quantum_mechanic | interesting. |
| 20:03.47 | quantum_mechanic | i bet that is why my averateck dies so fast. i use a usb external mouse with it |
| 20:04.00 | dj-death | I already keep the ibook ~1 day suspended |
| 20:04.38 | dj-death | I dont remember how much battery it used |
| 20:05.17 | quantum_mechanic | have your tried to replace the hard drive with a bigger one? mu ibook is a 30g. although i should just repartition |
| 20:05.32 | dj-death | mine is 60Go |
| 20:05.51 | quantum_mechanic | how much do you use for debian |
| 20:06.01 | dj-death | anyway I dont think changing the harddrive is possible |
| 20:06.41 | dj-death | quantum_mechanic: more than 50G for debian |
| 20:06.51 | quantum_mechanic | i have read discriptions of how to do it. and it is a pain. |
| 20:06.54 | dj-death | I dont use osx |
| 20:07.03 | dj-death | only to play quake3 sometimes |
| 20:07.18 | dj-death | quantum_mechanic: a pain for what ? |
| 20:07.25 | dj-death | install debian ? |
| 20:07.36 | quantum_mechanic | no the replacemen tof the hard drive |
| 20:07.50 | markos_G4 | anyone upgraded to latest gcc-3.4 packages and used it? |
| 20:10.51 | dj-death | quantum_mechanic: yes it is |
| 20:11.19 | dj-death | quantum_mechanic: if I remember doing a such thing makes your warranty void |
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| 20:20.33 | Alver | Hello. I'm trying to play a dvd on an imac g3/500; the image is laggy (~16fps) and the ogle process uses 75% cpu, Xfree the other 25%. |
| 20:20.53 | Alver | I presume a g3/500 should be able to pull a dvd nicely... any clue what could be the matter? |
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| 20:24.18 | dj-death | Alver: what's you player ? |
| 20:24.32 | Alver | ogle |
| 20:24.52 | dj-death | ogle ? |
| 20:25.10 | dj-death | I dont know this one |
| 20:25.11 | Alver | Yes - it's the best app I've found for playing dvds :) |
| 20:25.14 | dj-death | I'm using totem |
| 20:26.54 | randyg | the #icewm people don't seem to be there... |
| 20:26.56 | randyg | blah |
| 20:31.27 | dj-death | \0/ sawfish |
| 20:32.35 | Alver | totem eh. Hmmm. |
| 20:32.40 | Alver | Does it support dvd menus? |
| 20:34.08 | dj-death | hmmm |
| 20:34.16 | dj-death | not sure :/ |
| 20:34.26 | dj-death | I think so |
| 20:34.41 | dj-death | I remember myself choosing the language |
| 20:34.41 | dj-death | ;) |
| 20:39.17 | quantum_mechanic | dj-death what window manager are you using? |
| 20:39.32 | dj-death | sawfish |
| 20:40.21 | quantum_mechanic | i have been using xfce lately on a x86 instead of kde. it is very easy on resources |
| 20:40.35 | quantum_mechanic | how is sawfish and icewm |
| 20:41.19 | dj-death | hmmm |
| 20:41.22 | randyg | icewm is great, if you don't have a dual-head... |
| 20:41.28 | dj-death | sawfish is light |
| 20:41.44 | dj-death | sawfish works fine with dual head |
| 20:43.15 | randyg | sawfish screenshots look ugly, gnomeish, doesn't look like it has a full-width taskbar,... |
| 20:43.45 | jaska | hmm, sawfish is rather customizable |
| 20:44.03 | jaska | i used it back when it was still sawmill |
| 20:45.09 | randyg | all the screenshots I can find make it look like exactly the kind of WM I don't like. :) |
| 20:45.46 | dj-death | that's quite stupid |
| 20:46.00 | Alver | bah, totem has gnome dependencies |
| 20:46.01 | dj-death | because sawfish is as themable as enlightenment |
| 20:46.31 | Alver | Can someone recommend me a lightweight (cli, if possible) dvd player? |
| 20:46.40 | Bor_Ed | mplayer |
| 20:46.47 | Alver | heh :P |
| 20:46.58 | Bor_Ed | works on fbdev mode too |
| 20:47.07 | randyg | Bor_Ed: mplayer has a buggy gui now. :) |
| 20:47.13 | Bor_Ed | what gui ? :D |
| 20:47.28 | dj-death | randyg: well it can look like fluxbox |
| 20:47.38 | dj-death | randyg: or whatever you like |
| 20:47.42 | randyg | comes it with... you have to configure with --enable-something or other |
| 20:48.14 | Bor_Ed | I have the marillats prebuild |
| 20:48.27 | Alver | hmmm :o mplayer has the same prob |
| 20:48.32 | Alver | so it must be dvdcss related |
| 20:49.11 | Alver | Has anyone else noticed this? |
| 20:49.38 | dj-death | mplayer has others problems |
| 20:49.55 | dj-death | most of times videos becomes green |
| 20:50.03 | Bor_Ed | never seen such |
| 20:50.11 | Alver | me neither |
| 20:50.15 | dj-death | vlc and totem(xine) work better |
| 20:50.23 | randyg | I've never had problems with mplayer... |
| 20:50.37 | dj-death | MPlayer 1.0pre6-3.3.5 (C) 2000-2004 MPlayer Team |
| 20:50.38 | dj-death | AltiVec found |
| 20:50.51 | dj-death | maybe this version has problems |
| 20:50.55 | Bor_Ed | MPlayer 1.0pre6-3.3.5 (C) 2000-2004 MPlayer Team |
| 20:50.55 | Bor_Ed | CPU: PowerPC |
| 20:51.07 | Bor_Ed | dunno |
| 20:51.10 | dj-death | got here |
| 20:51.14 | dj-death | deb http://honk.physik.uni-konstanz.de/~agx/linux-ppc/debian/ mplayer/ |
| 20:51.31 | Bor_Ed | the same |
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| 21:00.10 | quantum_mechanic | thank you dj-death. i will be installing debian on my ibook. i need to reinstall mac0sx too - i will start from scratch. |
| 21:00.42 | dj-death | install osx first |
| 21:01.19 | quantum_mechanic | i will follow branden instructions. |
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| 21:18.04 | Mestapheles | what can I do with a ibook whose screen is black after comming out of sleep? kill X did nothing as did going to console AFAIK. The caps lock still lights up so I think it still is on. |
| 21:19.14 | Mestapheles | the only thing I can think of trying to ssh in |
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| 21:23.27 | Mestapheles | but it wasn't connected via ethernet when it blacked out, hope it picks up on the ethernet when I plug it in |
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| 21:32.59 | a_monkey | anyone know how i can get audacity to recognize my emac's built-in mike? |
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| 21:38.17 | a_monkey | i only have a choice of "/dev/dsp" as my audio input device - but that's my audio output device! |
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| 21:42.28 | randyg | god firefox is fucking worthless. installed tab extensions (again... I should have learnt my lesson last time), and now every link opens in a new tab, even though I've checked "open in current tab" in EVERY SINGLE place it asks. |
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| 21:44.50 | randyg | and my nice shiny viewsonic monitor seems to be dying. at half brightness, and turning the brightness up makes it dimmer... |
| 21:45.48 | simonrvn | sounds like our teevee |
| 21:46.04 | randyg | and the normally crystal sharp focus is fuzzy |
| 21:49.29 | furrywolf | argh. and now firefox is randomly switching tabs |
| 21:49.37 | furrywolf | I can see why people use IE. |
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| 21:49.51 | simonrvn | thanks gawds you don't add little ears or something to your nick. that'd be tacky. like, ^.furrywolf.^ or something |
| 21:49.58 | simonrvn | heh |
| 21:50.15 | simonrvn | ugh. ie has its own quirks, like being a root hole |
| 21:50.35 | furrywolf | lol |
| 21:50.41 | furrywolf | I'm furry, not stupid. :P |
| 21:50.52 | simonrvn | exactly my point |
| 21:50.56 | simonrvn | :) |
| 21:50.59 | furrywolf | or should that be... I'm furry, not stupid. ^.^ |
| 21:51.16 | simonrvn | er, s/s// |
| 21:52.15 | furrywolf | lol |
| 21:52.50 | simonrvn | i'm tired. making errors (more than usual ;p) |
| 21:52.55 | furrywolf | heh |
| 21:53.10 | furrywolf | most of the people with ears/other random crap in their nick seem to be aol users rather than furries... |
| 21:53.21 | simonrvn | yah. freaking irritating |
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| 21:53.34 | simonrvn | "hey, show how dumb you are" |
| 21:53.38 | simonrvn | show us* |
| 21:53.40 | furrywolf | lol |
| 21:53.58 | Alver | Irc is still bearable |
| 21:53.59 | simonrvn | simonrvn: now now, be nice ;p |
| 21:54.11 | Alver | You should check the MSN names nowadays |
| 21:54.16 | Alver | Or rather... no, just don't |
| 21:54.19 | furrywolf | I guess I'll have to live without xinerama... can't find a usable window manager that handles xinerama. |
| 21:54.45 | simonrvn | Alver: i'd rather not, thanks. "let's out-do each other to see who's looks the stupidest" |
| 21:55.03 | simonrvn | furrywolf: :/ |
| 21:55.15 | furrywolf | if I go and lug another monitor in from the living room, the way I have it set up now I could have three monitors next to each other just by plugging it in. :) |
| 21:55.26 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 21:55.52 | Alver | standard format: <5 random graphical emoticons><some dumb movie quote - 2 spelling errors minimum><"cool" surname, badly capitalized><long rant about life being sucky and emotional unstability><another 5 emoticons> |
| 21:56.34 | furrywolf | actually, the way I have it set up now, I could plug all FOUR monitors in, and have pseudo-surround setup. :) |
| 21:56.54 | simonrvn | ARGHZLOL LMAO KTHX "say hello, stranger" "haha thas kewl, mna" LOL KTHXBYE |
| 21:56.57 | al_ | mmh xfce and its window manager work pretty well with xinerama |
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| 21:57.10 | al_ | and ion handles perfectly xinerama o:) |
| 21:57.13 | simonrvn | surround video. =) |
| 21:57.29 | furrywolf | ion looked awful. :P |
| 21:57.38 | furrywolf | of course it handles it. it doesn't do anything. :P |
| 21:57.51 | al_ | ion is the perfection on earth |
| 21:57.53 | simonrvn | "is that a four-way sound system you got?" "nah, four-way video d00d" |
| 21:58.08 | simonrvn | heh |
| 21:58.35 | simonrvn | sits there looking like a fullscreen xterm. i can see the potential attraction |
| 21:58.47 | Q-FUNK | quadrovidix |
| 21:58.52 | simonrvn | haha |
| 21:59.00 | al_ | forget the window concept. that's too commercial |
| 21:59.04 | al_ | use *frames*. |
| 22:01.27 | furrywolf | hrmm. perhaps my viewsonic monitor isn't dying. I bet it's the video card. |
| 22:01.41 | furrywolf | it's only fuzzy when on one of the video cards... |
| 22:01.44 | al_ | anyway you should try ion, it's great |
| 22:02.21 | simonrvn | i found strangely fun, and strangely annoying. couldn't make up my mind |
| 22:02.24 | al_ | ok it's greater if you mainly use console-based apps |
| 22:03.01 | furrywolf | well hell. what do you do when one of your video cards is generating an inexplicably fuzzy signal? |
| 22:03.21 | Alver | Kick it! |
| 22:03.29 | furrywolf | sure, that'll make it clearer. :P |
| 22:03.40 | Alver | Spank the bastard into obedience |
| 22:03.48 | flowtech | kick it like beckham ;-0 |
| 22:03.59 | furrywolf | I paid 10 bucks for the video card too. |
| 22:04.10 | Alver | Well, no image or bad image - big difference :) |
| 22:07.44 | furrywolf | "uVNC - A VNC Server for 8-bit Microcontrollers" lol! |
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| 22:17.12 | Alver | Anyway, is there anyone around with an imac g3 who has a working dvd player setup? |
| 22:28.16 | furrywolf | brb, restarting X |
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| 22:44.57 | randyg | fucking worthless browser! |
| 22:45.09 | randyg | someone needs to kill firefox, just to keep it from giving open source a bad name |
| 22:45.30 | randyg | other than windows, I have never used a worse program in my life. |
| 22:50.59 | myXtie | perhaps lynx in terminal mode without ncurses for a year will cure your disdain. |
| 22:51.34 | Alver | I've known firefox to crash for no apparent reason for as long as I can remember |
| 22:54.15 | dj-death | < |
| 22:54.19 | dj-death | ops |
| 22:56.26 | randyg | myXtie: netscape 4.7 works infinitely better than firefox. and that's sad. |
| 22:56.48 | myXtie | randyg get rid of any flash as that can drive processor to max out. Then firefox will be much cleaner ( turn java off too ). |
| 22:57.32 | randyg | it crashes. the tabextensions simply don't work. it eats ram like crazy. it takes a second to react to a click (on my dual p3-866 with 0% cpu usage),... |
| 22:58.45 | randyg | flash? it has NOTHING. tab extensions is the only thing installed. no plugins, no java... |
| 23:01.27 | Alver | randyg: get plain mozilla. It works, even with plugins, and to be honest I never noticed even the slightest difference in speed compared to firefox. |
| 23:02.02 | randyg | plain mozilla is too slow to use. |
| 23:02.13 | randyg | at least firefox only has a one second UI lag |
| 23:02.21 | randyg | as opposed to multiple seconds |
| 23:02.31 | Alver | it has no noticeable lag here |
| 23:03.55 | randyg | what system? |
| 23:04.11 | randyg | x86 hardware may suck, but a dual p3-866 with 2 gigs of ram should be enough to browse the web. |
| 23:04.20 | Alver | single amd at 1300MHz here |
| 23:04.30 | Alver | and imac g3/500 |
| 23:04.39 | Alver | though the latter does notice some lag from mozilla |
| 23:04.53 | Alver | but not that much that it gets annoying |
| 23:05.04 | myXtie | firefox 1.0.2-3 on ppc works fine here, I can open 10 tabs and it just works, perhaps you need to clean your ~.mozilla file |
| 23:05.58 | randyg | myXtie: I started out this morning with a brand new profile |
| 23:06.05 | randyg | no change |
| 23:06.26 | randyg | and it still won't save tabs! |
| 23:07.21 | myXtie | hmmm, I don't know then perhaps it is X86 bug do you have a ppc you can test ? |
| 23:07.44 | randyg | "startup contents of browser" - "restore the last tab session" is checked. and, as always, it starts with no tabs open. |
| 23:07.50 | randyg | and/or crashes |
| 23:07.52 | randyg | one or the other |
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| 23:35.48 | randyg | attempting to capture with gatos = instant hard lockup |
| 23:40.35 | randyg | oh joy. and now the tab list is fubared. |
| 23:40.51 | simonrvn | wth. works fine here. strange |
| 23:41.02 | randyg | now it won't open any tabs. period. |
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| 23:47.01 | randyg | GRR |
| 23:47.35 | randyg | using their other module (km instead of v4l2) causes the kernel to do random things, among them disabling the IRQ of the video card (and the other two things on the same irq) |
| 23:49.15 | randyg | "irq 11: nobody cared!" ... "Disabling IRQ #11" |
| 23:49.25 | randyg | in other words, the driver didn't set up interrupts properly. |
| 23:50.19 | randyg | duh. because the card is on IRQ 11, and they're using IRQ 5. |
| 23:52.01 | randyg | s/programming/programmers |
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| 23:54.42 | randyg | brb. since I can't find anyway to reenable interrupts, looks like I need to reboot to restore my hardware to functioning... |