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| 00:16.22 | randyg | I give up. GATOS == programmers on crack |
| 00:16.36 | randyg | using the wrong IRQ is one of those things module programmers should be able to figure out. :) |
| 00:17.12 | randyg | GRRRRR |
| 00:17.16 | randyg | and tabs are fucked up again |
| 00:21.36 | randyg | gatos mailing list shows at least 20 other people posting to the list complaining it fucks up irqs |
| 00:21.44 | randyg | probably not even worth bothering with a "me too" post |
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| 00:36.27 | myXtie | well on my other powerpc performa 6116cd the apple keyboard II (adb type), some keys quit working after using the vacuum on it |
| 00:36.57 | myXtie | so I read you could disassemble it and wash it with soap and water and so I did |
| 00:37.35 | myXtie | funny thing is I thought that would break all the keys but it did not break any nor fix any |
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| 00:46.29 | myXtie | perhaps if randyg washes firefox with soap and water it will work ;) |
| 00:46.52 | myXtie | or at least put the fire out |
| 00:54.45 | randyg | GRRR. "This tab session my be broken".... |
| 00:54.50 | randyg | who writes this crap? |
| 00:54.59 | randyg | s/my/may |
| 00:55.12 | randyg | can't it even write its own bloody files properly? |
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| 01:24.34 | Walther | has anyone installed mach64 DRI driver and it worked? |
| 01:24.51 | Walther | i'm running 2.6.11.6 |
| 01:25.24 | randyg | no. I've been yelling at the mach64 drivers since last night. :) |
| 01:25.36 | Walther | same |
| 01:26.04 | randyg | I gave up on dri... have spent all day trying to get my mach64 all-in-wonder card to record, with zero luck. |
| 01:26.20 | Walther | i might *gasp* try os x |
| 01:26.32 | randyg | my mach64 card is in an x86 machine... |
| 01:26.43 | Walther | ah |
| 01:27.14 | Walther | well i can't replace it, this is a laptop |
| 01:27.19 | randyg | are you using the gatos drivers, or the ones included with x? (do the gatos drivers even work on ppc, for that matter?) |
| 01:27.38 | Walther | no cvs drivers |
| 01:27.52 | randyg | which cvs? |
| 01:28.03 | Walther | xfree86 |
| 01:28.21 | randyg | hrmm, I think that includes the gatos drivers. not sure. |
| 01:28.58 | randyg | I'm using the gatos drives, and have come to the conclusion the developers are on crack. :) |
| 01:29.06 | Walther | no shit |
| 01:29.10 | Walther | anyway |
| 01:29.13 | Walther | i got to go |
| 01:29.20 | randyg | it seems to pick IRQs out of thin air, then causes hard lockups when it tries to use them... |
| 01:29.27 | randyg | heh |
| 01:29.28 | randyg | cyas |
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| 02:10.56 | randyg_ | ok, that's odd. my other computer just died. click, power went off. no response to power switch or any other sign of life. |
| 02:11.20 | randyg_ | was working perfectly and went off as if someone pulled the plug... but the plug is not pulled. :) |
| 02:11.46 | randyg_ | the lights blink slightly when the power switch is turned on... |
| 02:12.43 | pahartik | randyg_: that happens when PSU gives up |
| 02:13.20 | randyg_ | that's what I'm thinking |
| 02:13.24 | randyg_ | nice fancy 400W one too |
| 02:14.23 | pahartik | randyg_: warranty |
| 02:15.06 | randyg_ | looks like all I have left is a 300W one. oh well, 300 watts should be enough for two intel cpus, geforce card, all-in-wonder capture card, a zillion usb things, three drives, dvs burner, etc, right? :) |
| 02:15.15 | randyg_ | s/dvs/dvd |
| 02:15.36 | randyg_ | warranty was 90 days IIRC... |
| 02:23.06 | randyg_ | that seemed to fix it |
| 02:23.09 | randyg_ | well hell |
| 02:23.24 | randyg_ | now hopefully the 300W one won't overload when I run the cpu load up. :) |
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| 02:33.41 | randyg_ | seems to be working... |
| 02:34.19 | randyg_ | now that I think about it, I noticed about 2 days ago that the 5v was down to 4.7v for some reason. |
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| 02:35.08 | randyg_ | Temp.= 38.5, 35.5, 21.1; Rot.= 4821, 5000, 0 |
| 02:35.09 | randyg_ | Vcore = 1.73, 1.66; Volt. = 3.27, 4.93, 12.31, 0.00, 0.00 |
| 02:35.16 | randyg_ | substantially better for 100% cpu load |
| 02:36.14 | randyg_ | grrrr. and, of course, firefox's tabs got fucked up. again. |
| 02:36.33 | randyg_ | "This tab session is maybe broken. Do you want the data to be cleared?" |
| 02:38.02 | demon | er... |
| 02:38.10 | demon | is this an extension? |
| 02:38.18 | randyg_ | tabextension |
| 02:38.28 | demon | ah |
| 02:42.22 | randyg_ | anyone want a power supply? like new physical condition. :P |
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| 06:43.19 | b33r | can anyone help me with a dual boot install? |
| 06:43.28 | b33r | os 10 is on and now im doing debian |
| 06:43.48 | b33r | the partitioner is looking wierd |
| 06:44.05 | b33r | with apples disk utility I made 10 gigs for debian |
| 06:44.47 | b33r | but in debians partitioning software all i see are os 10s hfs+ |
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| 07:59.00 | simonrvn | b33r: with apple's thingy you were supposed to make empty space for debian |
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| 08:10.15 | spo0nman | hello |
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| 08:15.21 | simonrvn | hi |
| 08:15.34 | spo0nman | simonrvn: you use ppc? |
| 08:15.49 | spo0nman | ok stupid question. :) |
| 08:16.01 | simonrvn | why would i be in here if i didn't :) |
| 08:16.47 | spo0nman | anyways I was considering to buy the apple powerbook and i wanted to know apart from looking good (my reaso to consider it) what should pus me towards buying it? i could istead buy a amd64 lappie |
| 08:17.49 | bioterror | but you can't run OS X nativily in AMD64 ;) |
| 08:17.55 | bioterror | + less power consumption |
| 08:18.07 | bioterror | you might get better uptime with only battery in use |
| 08:18.07 | simonrvn | cooler running, more efficient cpu |
| 08:18.17 | bioterror | you can only win with the Apple |
| 08:18.47 | bioterror | but if you have to buy an x86, then you can think about IBM Stinpads. others are crappier ;) |
| 08:18.51 | simonrvn | i wish thinkpads came in ppc, then i'd consider one (would be cheaper than an apple one i think) |
| 08:19.17 | spo0nman | ok i "dont" want OSX |
| 08:19.24 | bioterror | why not? |
| 08:19.31 | spo0nman | id never run it. id use linux in anycase. |
| 08:19.48 | spo0nman | bioterror: i'd like to use free software. |
| 08:19.58 | simonrvn | you can just say no to the licence, rhen wipe the os x partitions from a debian cd |
| 08:20.03 | simonrvn | then* |
| 08:20.10 | spo0nman | simonrvn: will i get a refund :D |
| 08:21.12 | simonrvn | i'd keep the cd around, just in case. new stuff has a much better OF than the old stuff, but you might need it to restore the firmware, or upgrade it |
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| 08:21.38 | bioterror | hmmm |
| 08:22.08 | bioterror | you buy Apple laptop >> you get OS X for free and you can run Darwin ports/Fink and get free software + you can use propietary software |
| 08:22.24 | bioterror | I would keep dual boot |
| 08:22.36 | bioterror | especially with the PowerBook ;) |
| 08:23.01 | spo0nman | bioterror: hmm, why? i heard that the wirless isnt supported yet. |
| 08:23.04 | simonrvn | i wouldn't, but that's me. i would keep the cd though for above and other reasons |
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| 08:23.15 | simonrvn | no airport extreme isn't |
| 08:23.18 | spo0nman | and is it true that OSX consumes less battery then linux. |
| 08:24.03 | simonrvn | oh yeh... so dual boot would probably do, because of the AE... but in linux you can use a usb wifi card |
| 08:24.41 | spo0nman | simonrvn: how much more? |
| 08:24.42 | bioterror | simonvrn, you buy expensive laptop and then you have to use usb-card? :D |
| 08:25.00 | spo0nman | basically except looking god. it promises me a longer battery life which i *need* |
| 08:25.01 | simonrvn | spo0nman: dunno |
| 08:25.21 | spo0nman | hmm, |
| 08:25.22 | simonrvn | the power management has gotten better i think |
| 08:25.37 | simonrvn | ask benh or some of the lappy owners in here |
| 08:26.58 | simonrvn | research :). see the debian-powerpc mailing list, sub to it, read the archives, then ask questions |
| 08:27.37 | spo0nman | simonrvn: :) |
| 08:27.55 | spo0nman | this is my first day after the decision. |
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| 11:21.58 | darmou_ | what do people use for flash? |
| 11:22.16 | simonrvn | try to avoid it |
| 11:23.11 | darmou_ | gplflash is good except it crashes firefox:( |
| 11:24.27 | darmou_ | the swfplayer is not that great |
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| 11:58.22 | Alver | Can someone confirm problems with dvdcss on a g3 (500MHz here) ? |
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| 13:28.47 | Alver | How do I enable direct rendering for my rage128 card? |
| 13:29.18 | Alver | module "dri" is loaded |
| 13:29.32 | Alver | Option "RenderAccel" "true" |
| 13:29.55 | Alver | And there's a "DRI" section in the XF86 config... but glxinfo says it hasn't got direct rendering. |
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| 13:46.54 | Alver | Hmm, no wonder, there's an XFree86 bug |
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| 14:05.03 | Alver | Is the dri bug for ati rage 128 cards fixed in sid? |
| 14:05.16 | Alver | if yes, might be worth the upgrade... |
| 14:05.18 | Bor_Ed | well I dont' have any bug |
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| 14:08.37 | Alver | there's bug reports on this spread over the net |
| 14:08.43 | Alver | some distros have it fixed, others havent |
| 14:08.50 | Alver | apparently sarge still has it... wondering about sid |
| 14:10.53 | Bor_Ed | I've played a lot of tuxracer here 3d accelerated on r128 |
| 14:11.08 | Alver | seems to affect only the agp versions |
| 14:11.30 | Bor_Ed | agp == 'fast' pci bus |
| 14:12.42 | Alver | ... with extra modules to access it |
| 14:12.57 | Bor_Ed | yup |
| 14:13.13 | Alver | Hrm, there seems to exist a patched xserver-xfree86 from a debian dev that fixes it |
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| 16:25.00 | Pakal | Hi, Im working on a G5 dual machine, install the "kernel-image-2.6.8-power4-smp" is OK? |
| 16:25.19 | Pakal | sorry, the english is not my mother language |
| 16:25.31 | dj-death | Pakal: I dont think so |
| 16:25.39 | dj-death | power4 is 32bit kernel |
| 16:25.53 | dj-death | you need a 64bits |
| 16:26.00 | Pakal | so? need I compile it? |
| 16:26.15 | dj-death | did you install debian ppc ou ppc64 ? |
| 16:26.17 | Pakal | there is a G5 kernel ? |
| 16:26.23 | dj-death | s/ou/or/ |
| 16:26.41 | dj-death | Pakal: it's a different architecture |
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| 16:26.51 | sloopy | i thought the power4 was a 64bit proc |
| 16:27.04 | dj-death | I dont know |
| 16:27.04 | Pakal | I installed using sarge PPC netinst CD |
| 16:27.27 | dj-death | let's have a look |
| 16:27.36 | Pakal | so, I can't install Debian on G5? !! |
| 16:28.00 | dj-death | yes you can |
| 16:28.38 | dj-death | but I think power4 is an appropriate kernel for a G5 |
| 16:33.59 | Pakal | should I downlad and compile the kernel from Kernel.org ? |
| 16:33.59 | Pakal | then install the "kernel-image-2.6.8-power4-smp" is OK? |
| 16:34.15 | simonrvn | Pakal: use powerpc-smp |
| 16:34.15 | simonrvn | oh wait, yeh, power4 |
| 16:34.16 | dj-death | simonrvn: sorry |
| 16:34.16 | dj-death | Pakal: sorry |
| 16:34.16 | dj-death | Pakal: I was wrong |
| 16:34.16 | simonrvn | you were right - i think |
| 16:34.16 | dj-death | Pakal: power4 is the kernel you need |
| 16:34.16 | dj-death | available for IBM power4, as well as the PPC 970 aka G5 used in recent Apple machines. |
| 16:34.17 | simonrvn | there ya go |
| 16:34.18 | simonrvn | yes |
| 16:34.18 | simonrvn | you don't need to get the source |
| 16:34.18 | Pakal | ok, thanks |
| 16:34.18 | dj-death | there is also a true 64 debian for ppc |
| 16:34.19 | dj-death | http://debian-ppc64.alioth.debian.org/READ_ME |
| 16:34.44 | Pakal | and (BTW ) what loader use the Apple machines rather than LILO o GRUB ? |
| 16:34.45 | simonrvn | oh nice |
| 16:34.45 | simonrvn | Pakal: no. yaboot |
| 16:35.36 | pahartik | Pakal: "yaboot" and "quik" |
| 16:35.40 | simonrvn | not quik |
| 16:35.48 | simonrvn | not on that thing anyway |
| 16:36.25 | Pakal | quik? and where can I find the config file ? /etc/quick.conf ? |
| 16:36.27 | pahartik | simonrvn: Pakal specified "Apple machines" :) |
| 16:36.38 | simonrvn | pahartik: new quik can boot this: 2.4M 2005-04-06 19:16 vmlinux-2.6.11.6-pylon.gzipped.gz |
| 16:36.43 | simonrvn | true :) |
| 16:36.44 | Petro | '/etc/yaboot.conf |
| 16:36.45 | pahartik | simonrvn: ...and i assumed "PowerPC" |
| 16:36.51 | simonrvn | pahartik: np :) |
| 16:37.11 | pahartik | simonrvn: and forgot about "BootX" |
| 16:37.27 | simonrvn | yes. bootx, miboot, the old mklinux booter... |
| 16:37.59 | simonrvn | /boot/vmlinux-2.6.11.6-pylon.gzipped.gz: gzip compressed data, was "vmlinux-2.6.11.6-pylon.gzipped", from Unix, max compression |
| 16:38.04 | simonrvn | proof ;) |
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| 18:08.06 | randyg | hrmm. debian's cdrecord package doesn't support DVDs?! |
| 18:10.04 | furrywolf | GRR! and firefox fucked up the tabs AGAIN! has anyone, ever, gotten firefox with tabsxtesions to be able to remember tabs? |
| 18:10.06 | pahartik | furrywolf: DVD support on "cdrecord" is not open source |
| 18:11.57 | pahartik | furrywolf: but "dvd+rw-tools" is available |
| 18:12.23 | furrywolf | hrmm. Get:1 http://mirrors.kernel.org testing/main dvd+rw-tools 5.21.4.10.8-1 [95.6kB] |
| 18:12.27 | furrywolf | already installing it. :) |
| 18:15.55 | pahartik | furrywolf: "growisofs" |
| 18:16.54 | pahartik | furrywolf: though "udftools" package is more attractive, if it works for you |
| 18:29.19 | furrywolf | it seems to just exit with no error for no reason without doing anything |
| 18:30.38 | furrywolf | is the concept of printing an error message before exiting due to an error really too difficult? sigh... |
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| 18:33.23 | simonrvn | i guess it is :P |
| 18:35.12 | sloopy | if they did that it would take out the oldworld unixy charm of everything being cryptic ;') |
| 18:36.06 | furrywolf | dvdrecord: Illegal write mode for this drive. |
| 18:36.13 | furrywolf | and dvdrecord doesn't seem to like the drive |
| 18:36.35 | simonrvn | sloopy: ;p |
| 18:36.37 | furrywolf | ah, requires me to specify -dao |
| 18:38.46 | furrywolf | dvdrecord: Input/output error. reserve track: scsi sendcmd: no error |
| 18:38.50 | furrywolf | still doesn't work though |
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| 18:43.28 | furrywolf | all I can get out of dvdrecord are random scsi errors |
| 18:47.06 | furrywolf | great... now it died AFTER starting the write... $0.50 frisbee. |
| 18:48.01 | furrywolf | :-( unable to WRITE@LBA=0h: Input/output error |
| 18:49.10 | furrywolf | anyone actually gotten a dvd to burn? what did you use? :) |
| 18:51.46 | Bor_Ed | loads of gas and matches ? |
| 18:51.54 | furrywolf | heh |
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| 18:59.27 | pahartik | furrywolf: i have been writing data on DVD+RW media with "growisofs"... and DVD-RW too, i think |
| 19:00.36 | pahartik | furrywolf: no broken discs so far |
| 19:03.09 | furrywolf | hrmm |
| 19:03.36 | furrywolf | for me it either exits instantly with no messages, or gives a completely unhelpful generic io error. |
| 19:03.39 | furrywolf | bbl, checking mail |
| 19:03.58 | simonrvn | fun. |
| 19:06.08 | pahartik | furrywolf: damn that... |
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| 19:08.35 | pahartik | furrywolf: did you use "SCSI emulation" devices nodes? (in case you were trying to write with IDE device) |
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| 19:16.17 | pahartik | furrywolf: because both DVD writers i have used are external IEEE-1394 devices and show up as SCSI... |
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| 19:16.53 | Tonnerre | Salut |
| 19:17.08 | Tonnerre | Does anyone have an idea how to boot a Powerbook 1400CS from zip? |
| 19:17.18 | Tonnerre | It's the only removable media mine has. |
| 19:19.12 | simonrvn | does that even have OF? |
| 19:19.30 | Tonnerre | Nope, it's NuBus. |
| 19:19.52 | Tonnerre | It boots from any SCSI device attached, though. |
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| 19:20.48 | Tonnerre | benh mentioned that NuBus should be supported lately. |
| 19:21.01 | simonrvn | nubus-pmac.sf.net. from zip you just need some basic crap on it, like 'Finder' and 'System' |
| 19:21.10 | simonrvn | yeh, there's a kernel in sid for them |
| 19:21.20 | Tonnerre | Nice. |
| 19:22.02 | simonrvn | not sure if you can from that. certainly worth a try |
| 19:26.07 | furrywolf | pahartik: what command-line do you use to record, that works? |
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| 19:30.28 | furrywolf | no, I didn't use scsi emulator... just giving it /dev/hdf seems to work, in that it can print out the disk information, manufacturer, etc. |
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| 19:42.07 | pahartik | furrywolf: something similar to this: 'growisofs -speed=1 -Z /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/cd -r -volid "title of the disc" /files/or/folders/to/include*' |
| 19:42.07 | furrywolf | that's pretty close to what I did... |
| 19:42.08 | furrywolf | growisofs -Z /dev/hdf -R -J leohd1.tgz |
| 19:48.06 | pahartik | furrywolf: maybe you should try SCSI interface and use DVD+RW media? |
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| 19:48.10 | furrywolf | it's a dvd+r, not dvd+rw... does it matter? |
| 19:48.10 | furrywolf | neither sg nor ide-scsi finds the drive |
| 19:48.14 | pahartik | furrywolf: it does matter, as one is rewritable and other is not :) |
| 19:48.15 | furrywolf | I mean, does it matter to the tool? :P |
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| 19:48.16 | pahartik | furrywolf: it should not |
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| 19:51.33 | furrywolf | bah, looks like I need to reboot and give hdf=ide-scsi if I want it to work |
| 19:51.33 | furrywolf | brb |
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| 20:01.15 | furrywolf | scsi emulation set up, trying again... |
| 20:02.03 | furrywolf | :-( write failed: Illegal seek |
| 20:03.19 | furrywolf | and dvdrecord gives the same scsi error it gave last time |
| 20:03.39 | furrywolf | Sense Code: 0x24 Qual 0x00 (invalid field in cdb) Fru 0x0 |
| 20:05.29 | furrywolf | grr! worthless fucking browser! "This tab session is maybe broken. Do you want the data to be cleared?". all I did was exit firefox (properly), reboot, and start it again. /me concludes firefox either can't write the file properly or can't read the file properly, and whoever wrote it should be clubbed |
| 20:06.45 | demon | perhaps it's not the browser, but the plugin, that's fucked up? |
| 20:06.50 | demon | er, extension |
| 20:06.56 | demon | whatever you want to call it |
| 20:07.19 | furrywolf | seeing as the browser crashes, eats ram, and is slower than hell, it's probably the browser. :) |
| 20:07.19 | Tonnerre | .oO(shared object.) |
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| 20:07.59 | furrywolf | a 1-second UI lag on a decent dual-cpu system is ridiculous. in the time between when I click and when it responds, two billion cpu cycles have passed... |
| 20:08.16 | Tonnerre | Well, I did speed measurements on Firefox and MSIE once: MSIE takes 2 seconds to eat up 2G of RAM, whereas Firefox takes 30 seconds, so it's surely slower. |
| 20:08.26 | pahartik | furrywolf: Lynx works quite well |
| 20:08.29 | furrywolf | lol |
| 20:09.50 | Bor_Ed | links2 -g works well too |
| 20:10.18 | furrywolf | opera works well too. |
| 20:10.25 | furrywolf | just it's closed-source |
| 20:10.45 | furrywolf | what does it say for the OSS development model when opera kills firefox in every test I can think of? :) |
| 20:10.50 | Bor_Ed | I really have never got in to opera 'working'... tried it from some 3.x up and it just doesn't work like I'd want to |
| 20:10.57 | furrywolf | (opera: no noticable ui lag whatsoever, for starters...) |
| 20:11.59 | Tonnerre | Opera: no package for NetBSD/alpha, right? |
| 20:12.09 | Tonnerre | (Nor for Linux/alpha) |
| 20:12.26 | pahartik | Tonnerre: that is correct |
| 20:12.32 | Bor_Ed | prolly only x86 and ppc linux as usual |
| 20:12.44 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: and SPARC |
| 20:12.50 | Bor_Ed | wee |
| 20:12.51 | demon | well, supporting linux/ppc at all is a lot better than "usual"... |
| 20:13.12 | Bor_Ed | ppc is 2nd most used linux platform |
| 20:13.18 | Tonnerre | Hey cool, at least 2 arches I actually own (ppc64 and sparc64) |
| 20:13.40 | bioterror | bor_ed, and x86 most :D:D |
| 20:13.56 | Bor_Ed | bioterror, yea :/ |
| 20:14.04 | Tonnerre | Bor_Ed, unfortunately that statement is valid. |
| 20:14.24 | Bor_Ed | there's no just decently priced ppc boards available to kill wintel domination |
| 20:14.56 | Tonnerre | Better hardware may require higher pricing. |
| 20:15.11 | furrywolf | Tonnerre: doubt it. |
| 20:15.25 | Tonnerre | I do love my alpha and hppa hardware because those machines never broke, and some of them are 14 years old alreday. |
| 20:15.28 | Tonnerre | already |
| 20:15.32 | Bor_Ed | nope, generic ppc hardware can be as cheap as peecee |
| 20:16.11 | Bor_Ed | mai teron board is an example... it's just not being marketed correctly and it has the amigaone stamp all over |
| 20:16.19 | bioterror | bor_ed, yep and when we think about Pegasos / AmigaOne boards. 700e for nothing :G |
| 20:16.28 | Bor_Ed | bioterror, exactly |
| 20:17.14 | Bor_Ed | if mai teron (amigaone) would be 300 with 7447A/1GHz cpu, I'd get the board pretty fast |
| 20:17.15 | furrywolf | all I know is that even used ppc costs at least twice an equivelent x86 box... so unless I win the lottery, not buying much ppc. :) |
| 20:18.30 | Tonnerre | My Powerbook G4 1.67GHz is pretty neat, and I have yet to see an x86 that can keep up. |
| 20:18.41 | bioterror | but when you take your PPC-machine out of shop, it's not old as x86 |
| 20:19.09 | Bor_Ed | ppc project started at '91, x86 started in mid 70's |
| 20:19.24 | Bor_Ed | and the codebase on both archs go way back to the start of each |
| 20:19.26 | bioterror | bor_ed, and x86 should have ended in 386 |
| 20:19.35 | Tonnerre | Also, a XServe G5 with 2 processors makes for a real good and stable server using NetBSD for example. |
| 20:19.40 | Tonnerre | (Or even Linux, with some patches) |
| 20:19.56 | Bor_Ed | bioterror, well, I'd say 8086 but oh well :) |
| 20:20.08 | Bor_Ed | (m68k was kicking in already then) |
| 20:20.18 | Tonnerre | Well, ppc64 is a lot more modern than x86 was in the same time. |
| 20:20.19 | bioterror | yep |
| 20:20.39 | Tonnerre | Linus started on 68008 for a reason, and continued on 68020 |
| 20:20.53 | Tonnerre | Unfortunately, he coded the first working kernel for 80386.. |
| 20:21.10 | Bor_Ed | actually he started on 386sx with 2 megs of ram and minix |
| 20:21.26 | Tonnerre | Yes... Absolutely horrible! |
| 20:21.59 | bioterror | my first computer after C64 was 386SX and if I only have knew what I buyed :D |
| 20:22.08 | Bor_Ed | well, he uses dual g5 nowadays as main box |
| 20:22.10 | bioterror | bought or how it's supposed to write |
| 20:22.15 | Tonnerre | Bor_Ed, yes |
| 20:22.32 | Tonnerre | .oO(But yet the vanilla kernel is _very_ unstable on my ppc boxen) |
| 20:22.36 | bioterror | bor_ed, there's enough poor devels who ows x86 :D |
| 20:22.47 | bioterror | owns |
| 20:22.58 | Bor_Ed | bioterror, exactly... thank gawd benh and linus are on good side :D |
| 20:23.31 | bioterror | bor_ed, and it's not easy to be PPC user. have seen those amigafin discussion on the channel some times? |
| 20:23.31 | Tonnerre | Mmmmmmm. |
| 20:23.41 | bioterror | have you even |
| 20:23.46 | Tonnerre | benh is not the ppc maintainer.. |
| 20:23.49 | Bor_Ed | bioterror, I keep an eye in there |
| 20:23.55 | Tonnerre | He should be, though. |
| 20:24.02 | Tonnerre | Because he actually has a clue. |
| 20:24.07 | Bor_Ed | Tonnerre, he's ppc hacker and coder, not some polished doll to be showed off |
| 20:24.16 | Tonnerre | I know. |
| 20:24.26 | Tonnerre | But the Austin guys are a pretty bad choice for the job. |
| 20:24.29 | Bor_Ed | and he does damn good job on what he does |
| 20:24.45 | Tonnerre | Sure he does. |
| 20:24.58 | Tonnerre | But the Austin guys don't.. |
| 20:25.21 | Bor_Ed | I've seen pretty nice docs at least from austin on linuxdevices... |
| 20:25.41 | Tonnerre | Yet they only seem to care about pSeries. |
| 20:25.44 | Bor_Ed | I don't subscribe to debian-ppc nor linux-ppc lists so can't really know what's going on there |
| 20:25.48 | Tonnerre | Which is ok for their working field.. |
| 20:25.58 | Tonnerre | It was on linux-kernel. |
| 20:26.09 | Bor_Ed | I don't subscribe to that either |
| 20:26.24 | Tonnerre | (Where they decided as well to drop support for libc != glibc, which made me drop Linux development and head for NetBSD) |
| 20:28.14 | Tonnerre | (Well, it was one of many reasons= |
| 20:28.15 | Tonnerre | ) |
| 20:28.36 | Tonnerre | furrywolf, well, glibc is a libc |
| 20:28.52 | furrywolf | :-( unable to WRITE@LBA=0h: Input/output error |
| 20:28.52 | furrywolf | :-( write failed: Input/output error |
| 20:29.00 | furrywolf | I should send them a fucking bill for the frisbees |
| 20:29.26 | Tonnerre | furrywolf, but compared to others, such as dietlibc (which isn't widely ported, unfortunately), uClibc, libc5, nblibc, etc. it's a big bloated disgusting POS |
| 20:32.25 | furrywolf | woot. now growisofs has managed to convince the sg module to unload. |
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| 20:33.37 | furrywolf | brb, looks like it's fucked up bad enough to need a reboot |
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| 21:33.25 | Tonnerre | Mmm. |
| 21:33.34 | Tonnerre | The stuffit expander comes as .hqx |
| 21:33.47 | Tonnerre | That sucks. |
| 21:33.57 | Tonnerre | How am I supposed to unpack it then? |
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| 22:20.03 | bioterror | http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=x86&word2=ppc :D |
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| 22:48.33 | koku_ | hello |
| 22:49.17 | koku_ | someone project to plugins java and flash for mozilla in powerpc GNU/LInux??? |
| 22:51.52 | Tonnerre | Javaplugin -> compile Java from sources |
| 22:52.07 | Tonnerre | flashplugin -> use the free flash plugin |
| 22:52.29 | koku_ | Tonnerre www.appinformatica.com |
| 22:52.42 | koku_ | can you see the page??? |
| 22:53.39 | Tonnerre | I don't have the plugins installed. I just know they work. ;) |
| 22:54.21 | koku_ | Tonnerre in new versions of mozilla not ready |
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| 23:23.22 | Pakal | hi, I have a big problem, my system shutdown suddenly after one or two hours |
| 23:24.09 | Tonnerre | Panic? Powerfail? Instruction error? |
| 23:25.44 | Pakal | is like a powerfail, but I have a G4 on the same energy connector |
| 23:25.50 | Pakal | and works fine |