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| 04:50.52 | mike_` | hey |
| 04:51.12 | mike_` | i just setup debian on my powerbook. |
| 04:51.23 | mike_` | is there a flash plugin ported to llinuxppc yet? |
| 05:30.52 | randyg_ | grrrr. fucked around with growisofs more. now causes hard lockups! |
| 05:30.53 | randyg_ | at $0.50/each |
| 05:37.51 | randyg_ | I've spent a full day and not managed to accomplish anything more than wasting $10 of dvds. |
| 05:41.26 | randyg_ | I wouldn't mind if there was an actual error, it told me something wasn't supported, etc... but by far the most common thing growisofs does is exit without any messages whatsoever and leave you with a frisbee. |
| 05:43.29 | randyg_ | it's exiting before the end of the burn; obviously it detected something wrong. so why doesn't it print what that is?! |
| 05:57.23 | simonrvn | :/ |
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| 06:50.35 | randyg_ | for everyone else who heard me ranting about dvds: it seems to be a bug in kernels >2.6.8.1. |
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| 07:19.34 | ireverentReveren | hye, one of my friends said that you can install *nix on a apple and dual boot with OSX without repartitioning... ie, install to a folder the was OSX does..... is he full of it? |
| 07:36.37 | pahartik | ireverentReveren: MacOS X is "Unix" already... |
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| 07:37.08 | ireverentReveren | yeah, I supose, in order to clarify, I meant debian/linux |
| 07:37.21 | randyg_ | this channel is often quiet. :) |
| 07:37.26 | randyg_ | might want to wait around a bit |
| 07:37.49 | ireverentReveren | after googling a bit it appears that worked with old worlds, but not new? |
| 07:37.59 | ireverentReveren | but that doenst seem logical |
| 07:38.54 | ireverentReveren | i would LOVE to get debian running dual boot |
| 07:39.10 | pahartik | randyg_: last time i wrote data on DVD was with Linux 2.6.11... |
| 07:39.31 | randyg_ | pahartik: it could be the bug only affects x86 |
| 07:39.36 | randyg_ | since it's ide... |
| 07:40.18 | randyg_ | booting with my 2.6.8.1 kernel (same .config) makes it work. (but makes my USB stop working, which is why I never used it...) |
| 07:40.26 | pahartik | randyg_: yes, maybe it only shows up in wintel and/or IDE |
| 07:40.53 | randyg_ | and a few people in #debian mentioned burning stopping working with .10 |
| 07:40.59 | randyg_ | I'm compiling .11.7 at the moment |
| 07:41.35 | randyg_ | god dammit! except the wacom drivers don't compile in .11.7 |
| 07:41.51 | ireverentReveren | is it possible to use the same home dir in debian pcc and osx? |
| 07:44.37 | pahartik | randyg_: you still chose to use non-rewritable media... |
| 07:46.20 | randyg_ | dammit. one of my ISPs links just went down, and half the internet is awol. /me gives up and gets ready for bed. |
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| 10:46.38 | Sphinx_Ra | hello |
| 10:47.31 | Sphinx_Ra | anybody how to unzip a zip archive ?!? i have unzip with apt-get but "Ark" says: |
| 10:47.36 | Sphinx_Ra | The utility zip is not in your PATH. |
| 10:47.36 | Sphinx_Ra | Please install it or contact your system administrator. |
| 10:47.41 | Sphinx_Ra | ?! |
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| 12:19.47 | Q-FUNK | oh great... Branden is the new DPL |
| 12:21.28 | pahartik | Q-FUNK: who is old DPL? :) |
| 12:22.04 | Q-FUNK | no idea. he never got himself noticed. |
| 12:23.38 | Bor_Ed | so, sarge stable release moves to couple of more 'decembers' further ? |
| 12:36.49 | Q-FUNK | good question. |
| 12:37.11 | Q-FUNK | I'm really curious how Branden's nomination will affect things. |
| 12:37.55 | Bor_Ed | well sarge has dead old packages already and I don't think it'll change anytime soon |
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| 12:45.01 | Q-FUNK | the change that would really improve the situation is allowing more people to become maintainers and to enforce multiple maintainers for each package, instead of letting single idiots rule their package alone and not respond to bugs. |
| 12:59.50 | jaska | agreed |
| 13:02.46 | Bor_Ed | hmm |
| 13:03.03 | Bor_Ed | thank gawd I haven't had to report any on deb... got enough from drake latest |
| 13:03.33 | jaska | im just generally dissatisfied with the options packages are compiled with |
| 13:04.07 | Bor_Ed | http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13406 <<-- that's drake development which made to ditch it from last box too |
| 13:05.39 | jaska | mancrap is well.. mancrap |
| 13:06.15 | Bor_Ed | it used to be ok... it's just changed to too weird nowadays, from linux-mandrake to mandrakelinux and now this mandriva thingy |
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| 14:35.22 | Pakal | last time ( one month a go ) I tried install Sarge on a G5 system, but I coudn't boot |
| 14:35.46 | simonrvn | hit it lucky this time? |
| 14:35.46 | Pakal | somebody knows if Sarge can boot on G5? |
| 14:36.14 | simonrvn | sure. maybe with a bit of tweaking. check out the powerpc64 thing at alioth.debian.org |
| 14:37.37 | Pakal | O found this: |
| 14:37.54 | Pakal | "Yes, you can install debian on G5. If it uses the 970Fx, please use the daily builds in expert mode, and |
| 14:37.54 | Pakal | make sure you chose sid as mirror. After the partman partitioning step, go to |
| 14:37.54 | Pakal | choose mirror again, and choose sarge for the installed system. |
| 14:38.12 | simonrvn | sure |
| 14:38.17 | simonrvn | do that, and you'll be ok |
| 14:39.37 | Pakal | what about ubuntu on G5? |
| 14:40.42 | simonrvn | that ^^^isn't hard to do, you just need to select "choose a debian mirror" once you've done the initial install |
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| 18:33.38 | Pakal | somebody knows a boot CD to rescue my /home directory ? |
| 18:37.50 | simonrvn | the install cd |
| 18:39.04 | Pakal | "boot: linux root /dev/sda1 " ?? |
| 18:40.07 | simonrvn | what? use the install cd to boot from |
| 18:40.33 | Pakal | opk |
| 18:42.07 | nu | i get a claim failed _after_ quik was loaded, whats that? |
| 18:45.49 | simonrvn | an error |
| 18:56.01 | nu | i know |
| 18:56.16 | nu | it doesnt even boot from floppy, so sad |
| 18:57.46 | simonrvn | what's the box? |
| 18:58.57 | nu | 7500 |
| 18:59.42 | nu | with g3 daughter card. after months of testing i was able to boot from hd. but the hd died after one year, no i cant boot from it anymore |
| 19:00.05 | eddyp | is there a difference between the iPod hdd and normal hdd? |
| 19:00.53 | eddyp | I have problems at mounting the iPod, although I have mounted it at previous times |
| 19:01.13 | simonrvn | nu: those are easy. ran on one for a year or more. new hdd for it would revive it |
| 19:01.28 | simonrvn | eddyp: it's fat fs |
| 19:01.51 | simonrvn | there's a sourceforge project for gtkipod or such |
| 19:02.00 | eddyp | I know is a fatfs or hfsplus |
| 19:02.04 | nu | simonrvn: fat is a fs^^ |
| 19:03.07 | eddyp | but it seems that there are some problems when reading the first sectors on the hdd /dev/sda , not /dev/sda2 |
| 19:03.28 | eddyp | so the partitions are not visible.... |
| 19:03.35 | nu | simonrvn: i was always able to boot from floppy, make me afraid that it isnt anymore possible |
| 19:04.04 | simonrvn | it is. could be the floppies, or the image, or the drive is fubar. |
| 19:04.15 | eddyp | as an effect, the block devices are not added to the /dev/ directory |
| 19:04.34 | eddyp | sda is added, but sda2 is added |
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| 19:07.52 | nu | tried several new floppies, some come out immediately, other end with crossed icons |
| 19:10.41 | simonrvn | i suggest you re-download the floppy images then, and make sure those floppies are fresh. those mac FDDs are picky |
| 19:11.52 | nu | its my own image |
| 19:12.50 | simonrvn | then you missed something maybe. or re-make the image |
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| 19:15.44 | simonrvn | hey |
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| 19:48.28 | Pakal | HI, i compiled a new kernel on the wrong way and now I can boot |
| 19:48.38 | Pakal | how can I rescue my system? |
| 19:48.52 | simonrvn | boot to the old kernel |
| 19:50.12 | Pakal | I deleted from yaboot.conf |
| 19:50.53 | simonrvn | why did you do that? |
| 19:51.55 | Pakal | idiot? |
| 19:51.59 | simonrvn | heh |
| 19:52.16 | simonrvn | there's an example one on the cd |
| 19:53.17 | gdsx | simonrvn: moo |
| 19:54.22 | gdsx | I've got a green firewire iMac that I'm trying to play music through a stereo with. High frequencies experience serious aliasing with the OSS driver. Is this a general problem, or something I can fix/alleviate somehow? |
| 19:54.38 | gdsx | using the speaker output (on the side; not the headphone outputs on the front) |
| 19:55.27 | simonrvn | hi |
| 19:55.36 | simonrvn | try alsa |
| 19:55.56 | simonrvn | supposedly on its way of being fixed for certain imacs |
| 19:57.32 | gdsx | simonrvn: on it's way as in 2.6.10+? (I'm currently still running the 2.6.8 d-i kernel |
| 19:57.33 | gdsx | (from SID) |
| 19:57.33 | simonrvn | oh man, use something recent. more stable for one thing |
| 19:58.02 | simonrvn | 2.6.9-2.6.9 was crashy for me |
| 19:58.12 | simonrvn | err, 2.6.8-2.6.9 |
| 19:58.13 | gdsx | simonrvn: that's a narrow range ;o) |
| 19:58.21 | simonrvn | ;) |
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| 20:09.02 | gdsx | simonrvn: topic: don't use benh rsync of version 2.6.11.6? or don't use benh rsync of 2.6? |
| 20:09.18 | simonrvn | oh. hrm. fixing |
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| 20:10.15 | simonrvn | hey |
| 20:10.18 | simonrvn | ... |
| 20:10.24 | *** mode/#debianppc [+o simonrvn] by ChanServ |
| 20:10.48 | *** topic/#debianppc by simonrvn -> Topic for #debianppc is: Debian on PPC - think of it as a never-ending IQ test. | Want Linux 2.6? Use kernel.org or sid/sarge kernel-images; DON'T USE BENH 2.6 RSYNC | vers.: 2.6.11.6 | Wiki at tinyurl.com/2r8uc | New (2003+) PowerMacs with XFS HOWTO http://tinyurl.com/2s2os | iBook G4 HOWTO http://tinyurl.com/2488m | New penguinppc.org live! | pasting? /whois paster | ALSA bounty: http://tinyurl.com/3p4nm |
| 20:10.56 | simonrvn | better |
| 20:11.05 | *** mode/#debianppc [-o simonrvn] by simonrvn |
| 20:11.20 | gdsx | simonrvn: and now, why not? issues? |
| 20:11.41 | simonrvn | because it gets sent on into mainline now |
| 20:12.12 | simonrvn | before, often needed changes didn't make it into mainline |
| 20:12.24 | simonrvn | s/often// |
| 20:12.29 | gdsx | cool |
| 20:12.53 | aba | simonrvn: eh, are there necessary fixes for 2.6 that are not in the official debian packages? |
| 20:13.13 | simonrvn | debian has them |
| 20:13.19 | aba | ok. |
| 20:13.35 | simonrvn | kernel team is pretty up and up on that stuff. rather impressed |
| 20:14.00 | simonrvn | debian kernels saved my ass when mainline was really unstable |
| 20:14.06 | simonrvn | :) |
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| 21:05.18 | sobersabre | hi . |
| 21:05.36 | sobersabre | is debian able to be run on js20 ppc64 blade servers ? |
| 21:05.55 | sobersabre | i prefer woody ... if possible ( need 2.4 linux ) |
| 21:06.14 | simonrvn | hi. no clue. there's a ppc64 project at alioth.debian.org however |
| 21:06.44 | sobersabre | trying to access it... |
| 21:06.47 | simonrvn | you'd do better with sid... gcc 4 supports 64 bit better, no FTBFS, etc. |
| 21:06.54 | simonrvn | or at least sarge |
| 21:08.40 | sobersabre | simonrvn: i need a 2.4 kernel /proc |
| 21:08.59 | sobersabre | is it possible to have "legacy" /proc with 2.6 ? |
| 21:09.58 | simonrvn | /proc is present in 2.6.x... you mean with the same layout? /sys is sysfs, where some of the old /proc stuff moved to, if that's your concern |
| 21:10.44 | simonrvn | maybe you can get away with 2.4.30 or whatever it's at now |
| 21:10.51 | sobersabre | problem is i run a middleware that reads /proc entries. |
| 21:11.07 | simonrvn | eh |
| 21:11.13 | sobersabre | and the guys still haven't ported it to be able to work with 2.6 |
| 21:11.26 | simonrvn | can't get upstream to patch it for 2.6 support? |
| 21:11.28 | simonrvn | ok |
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| 21:11.50 | sobersabre | it's condor |
| 21:11.58 | sobersabre | the big bird. |
| 21:12.09 | simonrvn | never heard of it :) (other than the bird of course ;) |
| 21:12.39 | sobersabre | it's a batch/job scheduling project for high perf. computing. |
| 21:12.56 | simonrvn | ok. HA stuff? |
| 21:12.59 | sobersabre | no |
| 21:13.22 | simonrvn | oh, high perf. :) |
| 21:13.25 | sobersabre | High throughput, performance... HA is only added in the last version |
| 21:13.35 | simonrvn | ok |
| 21:14.05 | sobersabre | anyway...i'm tired of the sles/rhel licensing issues: it is a uni. |
| 21:14.27 | sobersabre | thought of deb... and also noticed gentoo also runs on it. |
| 21:14.43 | simonrvn | i can imagine... debian kernel might have what you need |
| 21:14.50 | simonrvn | a 2.4 |
| 21:15.19 | sobersabre | where i can read on how to setup a linux distribution ? |
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| 21:15.29 | simonrvn | i'd fetch the kernel from sid, and the main packages from sarge. it's recent enough. i doubt woody would even boot that thing |
| 21:15.35 | sobersabre | cross-compilation environment etc. |
| 21:15.46 | sobersabre | woody won't |
| 21:16.00 | sobersabre | tried it. |
| 21:16.11 | sobersabre | the booting scheme is different there. |
| 21:16.22 | simonrvn | google your best option, i don't know of any off-hand |
| 21:16.27 | sobersabre | :) |
| 21:16.30 | simonrvn | Q-FUNK might know of one |
| 21:16.50 | sobersabre | is he/she here ? |
| 21:16.59 | simonrvn | he, and yeh, but /away |
| 21:17.12 | simonrvn | Q-FUNK: ping |
| 21:17.35 | sobersabre | done that.. |
| 21:17.46 | sobersabre | no reply. |
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| 21:22.49 | Coutal | i got the tulip working properly, i'm irc'ing from the box now |
| 21:23.45 | simonrvn | woops |
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| 21:24.59 | Coutal | anyone here? |
| 21:25.14 | sobersabre | ? |
| 21:25.20 | sobersabre | noone... |
| 21:25.51 | simonrvn | no one here |
| 21:26.01 | simonrvn | Coutal: * Coutal has quit (SendQ exceeded) |
| 21:26.11 | simonrvn | fix your send queue |
| 21:26.22 | Coutal | i had an intereseting conversation with some people here about the tulip-based CS II ethernet card |
| 21:26.33 | Coutal | simonrvn: that was me bad doing /names instead of /names #debianppc |
| 21:26.52 | simonrvn | weee |
| 21:27.13 | Coutal | i just wanted to report success with the card, which makes my 5500 much much more useful |
| 21:27.22 | simonrvn | cool :) |
| 21:27.26 | Coutal | i now have a free pci slot which i don't need to dedicate to ethernet |
| 21:28.21 | Coutal | there's still work to be done on the rest of the devices though - the remote control port, video in and fm in |
| 21:28.48 | Coutal | i wondered if anyone got any experience with that |
| 21:29.12 | Coutal | bbl |
| 21:35.55 | sobersabre | bye all |
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| 21:37.15 | simonrvn | would've been nice to share that :) |
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