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| 03:36.07 | randyg_ | have I ever mentioned I put up with too much crap? heh |
| 03:36.47 | simonrvn | yes =) |
| 03:37.15 | randyg_ | my half-brother decided to run away from home... so, being the only normal person in the family, guess who has to drive 3 cities over and deal with it? :) |
| 03:40.15 | simonrvn | uh, you? ;) |
| 03:40.51 | randyg_ | good guess! :P |
| 03:40.52 | randyg_ | brb |
| 03:43.02 | demon | ahhh |
| 03:43.06 | demon | family shit is always fun |
| 03:44.10 | demon | heheh |
| 03:44.47 | demon | I happen to like some of my family |
| 03:44.56 | simonrvn | you have a better sense of humour than i do :) |
| 03:45.12 | demon | heh... not really |
| 03:45.16 | simonrvn | lucky. mine's fucked. *i'm*, but they're fucked too |
| 03:45.26 | simonrvn | err, i'm fucked* |
| 03:45.30 | demon | hehe |
| 03:45.45 | demon | well, everyone's family is... just in different ways |
| 03:46.16 | simonrvn | yeh, well, i'm not going to get into it publically, but bad shit... |
| 03:46.33 | simonrvn | i wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy |
| 03:46.41 | demon | nod... been there |
| 03:47.06 | demon | thankfully my parents are reasonably sane... much of the rest of my family isn't |
| 03:51.56 | simonrvn | *sigh* |
| 03:53.17 | randyg_ | back |
| 03:54.24 | randyg_ | speaking of insane, is it my imagination, or is the average iq in #debian around the range usually associated with miles-per-gallon figures of SUVs? :) |
| 03:54.31 | demon | haha |
| 03:55.13 | simonrvn | hehe. no, it's not illusion |
| 03:55.21 | randyg_ | lol |
| 03:55.57 | randyg_ | seems to be more flame wars than questions answered in there... |
| 03:56.02 | simonrvn | i frequently get frustrated there. the regulars are bit brighter, but you should see (or not) some of the questions in there... |
| 03:56.21 | simonrvn | yeh, the flames get wearying too |
| 03:57.23 | randyg_ | the guy last night who took, what was it, 3 hours to stop gdm from loading on startup? :) |
| 03:57.37 | simonrvn | ... |
| 03:58.14 | simonrvn | and you keep repeating it, and they still don't get it. "hey, you know, you *can* do this, this isn't hard" |
| 03:58.21 | randyg_ | heh |
| 03:58.28 | simonrvn | "ever heard of DYI?" |
| 03:58.33 | randyg_ | nope |
| 03:58.38 | randyg_ | :P |
| 03:59.09 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 04:01.39 | randyg_ | perhaps the never-ending IQ test of debian on ppc should be applied to debian in general, to keep them using windows? :) |
| 04:02.45 | demon | heheh |
| 04:03.04 | demon | but then the newbies will whine about how debian users are elitist! |
| 04:03.07 | simonrvn | haha, some people are saying "hey, cool that ubuntu is surpassing debian 'on the desktop' we won't get so many newbies". |
| 04:03.24 | demon | and #debian will get kicked off freelo^H^Hnode! |
| 04:03.33 | simonrvn | that's *really* cynical |
| 04:03.40 | simonrvn | heh |
| 04:03.44 | demon | hey, just watch |
| 04:03.59 | demon | others have suffered the same fate |
| 04:04.05 | randyg_ | heh |
| 04:04.13 | demon | don't let lilo and his sycophants revise history |
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| 04:04.57 | demon | if you're not free, willing tech support and lilo gets wind of it... well, you better look out |
| 04:05.09 | demon | you'll end up with your channel locked and be told you aren't wanted |
| 04:05.25 | demon | ubuntu is a debian-derived distro aimed at the desktop |
| 04:05.26 | randyg_ | everyone talks about it, but somehow no-one I've ever actually met or talked to uses it. :) |
| 04:05.32 | demon | ubuntulinux.org, I think |
| 04:05.42 | demon | I know several people who use it, and a contract developer for them |
| 04:06.03 | demon | I've not used it, but I've heard good things |
| 04:06.31 | simonrvn | yeh, i quoted something nasty, but i think it can do good for both debian and itself |
| 04:06.31 | randyg_ | how's it different than debian? "aimed at the desktop" sounds like microsoft-speak for "more marketing". :) |
| 04:07.04 | simonrvn | it's never-ending /.esque 'debate' of WTF is a desktop anyway |
| 04:07.42 | demon | well, they're specifically integrating gnome, not kde... they're really trying to integrate/automate to make it "easy" for those who don't (want to) know, and still reasonably powerful |
| 04:08.05 | demon | I know people who could explain it better than I |
| 04:08.06 | simonrvn | yeh. not everyone has technical skillz |
| 04:08.40 | randyg_ | heh. take whatever they do, put it in a package, then say debian does everything they do and more? :) |
| 04:08.49 | simonrvn | kde is winbloze. they have some nice apps, but i find kde talks down to you, whereas gnome just goes here, have fun |
| 04:09.23 | randyg_ | "here, have fun. you'll have lots of time to have fun waiting for your UI to respond!" |
| 04:09.50 | simonrvn | well occasionally patches from ubuntu get into debian, which was planned for anyway, and ubuntu gets debian, and there's DDs in ubuntu |
| 04:10.14 | simonrvn | actually 2.10 is addressing that - finally |
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| 04:11.37 | simonrvn | i actually saw one of the devs say something like "not everyone runs the latest hardware, and we want to let people who don't have that h/w to be able to run gnome". xfce is great, but for a newbie, it's still a bit opaque |
| 04:11.50 | randyg_ | heh |
| 04:11.56 | randyg_ | I've always liked icewm... |
| 04:12.00 | simonrvn | so they're trimming the memory footprint for everything |
| 04:12.03 | randyg_ | just wish it handled xinerama a bit better |
| 04:12.28 | demon | gnome seems to (generally) run well on my powerbook g3 |
| 04:13.12 | simonrvn | yeh. 2.8 improved on the snappiness, seems 2.10 is better (one would think so if they're trimming resource usage) |
| 04:13.15 | randyg_ | then again, both kde and gnome aren't 1/10th as slow as firefox... |
| 04:13.35 | simonrvn | yeh really. i like ff, but damned slow... |
| 04:13.50 | simonrvn | mozilla is faster now |
| 04:13.57 | demon | what's the deal with it every so often just stopping what it's doing and spinning, and eating a bunch of CPU time/ |
| 04:13.58 | demon | ? |
| 04:14.17 | randyg_ | firefox? yeah, it does that a lot. every time you click anything. |
| 04:14.22 | demon | firefox does that to me every so often, on all my linux boxes |
| 04:14.31 | demon | I don't get it every time |
| 04:14.37 | randyg_ | heh |
| 04:14.47 | demon | but sometimes I'll click on something, or just move the mouse pointer over it |
| 04:14.54 | randyg_ | all I know is in the time I click something, and the time it responds, over two billion cpu clock cycles have happened... |
| 04:14.55 | demon | and then it'll sit there a bit and spin |
| 04:14.56 | simonrvn | i've noticed it's when a page is JS and table heavy |
| 04:15.25 | randyg_ | if it takes them two billion clock cycles to handle a mouse event, they're not doing something right. :) |
| 04:16.01 | simonrvn | heh, really |
| 04:16.37 | randyg_ | why can quake render 500 frames in the time it takes firefox to render one? :) |
| 04:17.17 | simonrvn | gecko is *CRUFTY* |
| 04:17.29 | simonrvn | brb, watching "back in black" |
| 04:17.35 | randyg_ | Dillo is nice, but I don't think they've done much development on it. |
| 04:20.12 | randyg_ | (not to be confused with dildos, which are also nice) |
| 04:20.15 | randyg_ | brb |
| 04:21.02 | simonrvn | dillo needs work. i've seen text browsers do what dillo can't |
| 04:25.17 | randyg_ | back |
| 04:25.19 | randyg_ | heh |
| 04:25.27 | randyg_ | it is, however, amazingly fast. |
| 04:25.37 | simonrvn | like, um, frames? yes, it's fast. that's true |
| 04:25.40 | randyg_ | proof that web browsing isn't inherently slow. |
| 04:25.58 | randyg_ | it doesn't do frames? I thought it did? I know it does cookies... |
| 04:26.05 | simonrvn | exactly. i've browsed sf.net pages with lynx, w3m, and it flies |
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| 04:30.07 | randyg_ | bbl, need to shower |
| 04:30.24 | randyg_ | oh, and I remember the other crap I need to put up with! no paycheck! over a week late now. |
| 04:30.32 | randyg_ | my boss is going to "try to see what happened". |
| 04:32.00 | simonrvn | *tsk* |
| 04:32.17 | randyg_ | already bounced my webhosting payment... |
| 04:32.37 | randyg_ | (automagic monthly billing, no funds to cover...) |
| 04:33.16 | randyg_ | bbl |
| 04:33.21 | simonrvn | :/ |
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| 04:36.48 | simonrvn | heh |
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| 05:10.45 | peterrooney | problem: does X have some hidden feature akin to apple's 'Sticky Keys'? because I seem to be activating it from time to time, and I don't want to. |
| 05:11.15 | peterrooney | and i don't know how i'm doing it. |
| 05:12.36 | simonrvn | ctrl-sh-numlock |
| 05:13.00 | simonrvn | you mean move the mouse with the keypad? |
| 05:28.24 | peterrooney | no, i mean the shift key is being held down by some agency outside my control, sometimes the control key, sometimes the alt key. |
| 05:30.07 | peterrooney | i don't mean mousekeys. apple used to have this feature that if you hit the shift key (or cmd, or ctrl) five times in a row, it would stay held down for you, hit it five times again to release it. very useful for folks with one hand. |
| 05:30.12 | simonrvn | oh, dunno. your wm? |
| 05:30.29 | peterrooney | enlightenment, today. |
| 06:22.36 | randyg_ | welp, time to see if .11.7 burns cds... |
| 06:23.03 | randyg_ | s/cds/dvds |
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| 07:17.42 | randyg_ | *ponders* |
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| 09:25.04 | assassin | fuckin weird one at that |
| 09:26.14 | assassin | It lost an enitire bus |
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| 11:13.30 | ubuntu_ | /dev/hda1 Apple_partition_map Apple 63 @ 1 ( 31.5k) Partition map |
| 11:13.30 | ubuntu_ | /dev/hda2 Apple_Free Extra 20975234 @ 64 ( 10.0G) Free space |
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| 11:13.36 | ubuntu_ | /dev/hda6 Apple_Free Extra 2256658 @ 75883502 ( 1.1G) Free space |
| 11:13.51 | ubuntu_ | how can I delete hda3? is "driver partition" and fdisk said that is not posible (yet) |
| 11:15.29 | simonrvn | WTF did you do that? |
| 11:15.46 | simonrvn | don't paste here like that |
| 11:16.12 | ubuntu_ | simonrvn, you are allways here |
| 11:16.23 | ubuntu_ | it seems you live here and never helped me |
| 11:16.31 | ubuntu_ | only bad taste humor! |
| 11:17.00 | simonrvn | well fuck, netiquette... |
| 11:17.44 | ubuntu_ | chiquetete... |
| 11:17.55 | simonrvn | to delete the driver partitions, you have to wipe the partition map completely |
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| 11:18.21 | ubuntu_ | ok |
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| 11:20.15 | simonrvn | FFS, ubuntu troll.. |
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| 11:40.22 | simonrvn | @wb Q-FUNK |
| 11:40.28 | ravenbird | Welcome back Q-FUNK, o lonely traveller amongst the TCP/IP packets of chaos. |
| 11:42.23 | Q-FUNK | :) |
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| 13:27.07 | strat50s | hi |
| 13:28.42 | macan | hi ther |
| 13:28.45 | Bor_Ed | low |
| 13:29.40 | simonrvn | !olleh |
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| 13:34.45 | Bor_Ed | olleh ? |
| 13:34.56 | simonrvn | hello! |
| 13:35.04 | Bor_Ed | ees I |
| 13:35.20 | simonrvn | (: |
| 13:35.20 | Bor_Ed | I really need to install annoying.pl again :P |
| 13:35.29 | simonrvn | uh oh |
| 13:40.59 | Q-FUNK | simonrvn: wokirng? |
| 13:41.31 | simonrvn | yeh. just need to get capplets in, and gnome-c-c |
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| 14:23.45 | edward__ | -Sw00P- VERSION xchat 2.4.1 Linux 2.6.8-power4-smp [ppc/2.00GHz/SMP] |
| 14:23.51 | edward__ | ppc.. ;) |
| 14:24.23 | Bor_Ed | dual g5 ... |
| 14:24.31 | Bor_Ed | it already runs at 2.5GHz ... |
| 14:26.23 | Bor_Ed | http://www.cdatas.com/ buggr is coldfire instead of powerquikk, got to start saving though anyway |
| 14:26.34 | jaska | heh |
| 14:27.09 | jaska | compactflash backplane, whee. |
| 14:27.32 | Bor_Ed | yup |
| 14:27.39 | jaska | sick sick people :) |
| 14:27.48 | Bor_Ed | decent for wearable needs and price ain't ridiculous either |
| 14:28.02 | jaska | the interface is rather slow iirc. |
| 14:28.07 | jaska | wearable, yeah |
| 14:28.15 | Bor_Ed | powerquikk II or mpc5200 as cpu and I'd be sold |
| 14:28.27 | jaska | quicc :P |
| 14:28.29 | Bor_Ed | CF manages ata66 speeds |
| 14:28.34 | Bor_Ed | bleh, whatever :P |
| 14:29.43 | jaska | the card on the right looks odd |
| 14:30.05 | Bor_Ed | anyway, the board, 512M CF mass storage, some sort of HID input and 320x200 hud module and that's it |
| 14:30.14 | jaska | whoa, cpu on a cf card :) |
| 14:30.21 | Bor_Ed | the backplane has 2 slots on 2 rows |
| 14:30.28 | Bor_Ed | jaska, still sucky ? :P |
| 14:30.34 | edward__ | hehe |
| 14:31.12 | jaska | i didnt say sucky, i said slow. for what work stuff needs that is |
| 14:31.38 | Bor_Ed | CF runs 10/100 nics, ata66 drives, 802.11g wlan and whatnot |
| 14:31.41 | jaska | shame its a coldfire tho |
| 14:31.55 | Bor_Ed | yea... ppc would be a bit too much asked :P |
| 14:34.49 | jaska | hrm, 3.3V 200mA @ 40MHz |
| 14:35.04 | jaska | considering home(hobby) use |
| 14:35.41 | Bor_Ed | enough for mp3 playback I'd guess |
| 14:35.52 | jaska | and below they say 3.3V 150mA |
| 14:36.08 | jaska | well, was considering mostly for stuff like r/c vehicles |
| 14:36.24 | Bor_Ed | you have some 8 channel pcm radios there ? :o |
| 14:36.50 | jaska | nah |
| 14:37.14 | jaska | i'd probably end up hacking some wlan card for it |
| 14:37.15 | Bor_Ed | well, pda with bluetooth prolly could control the r/c toy decently enough too :P |
| 14:37.37 | Bor_Ed | bt eats less guts and runs off of serial port |
| 14:37.46 | Bor_Ed | time to grab something to eat, bbiab |
| 14:37.51 | jaska | bt has poo for range :) |
| 14:40.20 | Bor_Ed | hmm, what was it, 1.5 miles that yankees managed to 'war drive' with bt |
| 14:42.58 | jaska | directional antenna at other end i suppose |
| 14:43.21 | jaska | 802.11b is doable to ~10km with LOS, directional at other end, omni at other |
| 14:43.29 | jaska | or near-LOS |
| 14:44.50 | jaska | sadly, the vehicle types im interested in are flying and submarine, not much chance of flying stuff here |
| 14:45.01 | jaska | but the bay of finland is a couple hundred meters from home |
| 14:45.21 | jaska | no continuous radio contact with a sub tho, would have to be semi-autonomous |
| 14:45.46 | jaska | been thinking of both types of vehicles for a few years now :( |
| 14:46.52 | jaska | autonomous flying things in the city, malfunction -> damage -> /me loses EUR |
| 14:47.42 | Bor_Ed | I've got ~120 eur 2 motor plane here... guess have I had too many fly days here in vaasa :I |
| 14:48.19 | jaska | and if i choose flight, i'd probably try non-typical propulsion |
| 14:48.22 | jaska | (not props :) |
| 14:48.53 | Bor_Ed | fan ? :P |
| 14:49.32 | jaska | blah, i want a lab :( |
| 14:49.37 | jaska | so i can test my stupid ideas |
| 14:50.45 | jaska | running experimental engines in my apartment doesnt sound like a good plan :) |
| 14:51.11 | jaska | mostly thinking of some hybrid ramjets |
| 14:51.24 | jaska | wondering how they would scale down |
| 14:51.28 | Bor_Ed | hehe |
| 14:51.44 | Bor_Ed | ramjets are those without moving parts, right ? |
| 14:51.48 | Bor_Ed | or is it scramjet ? |
| 14:51.49 | jaska | yeah |
| 14:51.51 | jaska | both |
| 14:51.53 | Bor_Ed | ahh |
| 14:52.04 | jaska | in ramjets the combustion is at subsonic speeds |
| 14:52.19 | jaska | the air intake can be supersonic, gets compressed |
| 14:52.30 | jaska | scramjets have supersonic combustion (thats what the SC in SCramjet is |
| 14:52.32 | jaska | ) |
| 14:52.52 | Bor_Ed | yup, read a while back from some .nz dude sitting one of such to go-kart |
| 14:52.52 | jaska | scramjets are way beyond my league i'd guess :) |
| 14:53.03 | jaska | oh, that was a pulsejet afaik |
| 14:53.17 | Bor_Ed | some jet without moving parts at least |
| 14:53.22 | jaska | valveless pulsejet |
| 14:53.28 | deadsmith | anyone know the status on ppc64? |
| 14:53.40 | deadsmith | e.g. does it boot/install yet? |
| 14:53.48 | jaska | ramjets work crappily at low speeds :) |
| 14:54.11 | jaska | sr-71 was dual-mode turbojet/ramjet i think |
| 14:54.21 | jaska | not exactly sure. |
| 14:54.23 | Bor_Ed | deadsmith, I'd guess so... at least linus runs linux on dual g5 as desktop |
| 14:56.11 | jaska | yeah, sr-71 had 'turboramjet' |
| 14:57.16 | jaska | one of the prettiest aircraft ever made |
| 14:57.31 | Bor_Ed | you have some scania turbos there waiting for being raped ? :P |
| 14:57.31 | deadsmith | Bor_Ed, sure, sure... actually, I'm concerned about pseries stuff.... |
| 14:58.08 | Bor_Ed | deadsmith, well the debian/ppc ships with power4 kernel so I'd guess there's some support |
| 14:58.35 | deadsmith | Kernel running isn't a problem, it's the boot/install from openfirmware on the pseries I'm not sure about. |
| 14:58.41 | deadsmith | I suppose I should just download the CDs and try it... |
| 14:58.43 | jaska | bored, no, but i guess those are procurable :) |
| 14:58.51 | deadsmith | but I don't have the 2-3 hours anytime soon to investigate |
| 14:59.27 | Bor_Ed | deadsmith, check the debian-ppc ML |
| 15:00.07 | deadsmith | Bor_Ed, yeah, I'm just a spoiled IRC brat. |
| 15:00.12 | Bor_Ed | time to play some checkers with kid |
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| 15:21.11 | simonrvn | Q-FUNK: as soon as i get these build deps i'll have this stuff ready |
| 15:21.24 | Q-FUNK | groovy :) |
| 15:21.37 | simonrvn | capplets and g-c-c |
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| 15:44.37 | simonrvn | FUCK |
| 15:44.54 | Q-FUNK | ? |
| 15:45.24 | simonrvn | newer libbonoboui2-dev and libglade2-dev needed... |
| 15:45.51 | simonrvn | swearing 'cause i'm having to build some libs too |
| 15:46.17 | Q-FUNK | aren't those in experimental already? |
| 15:47.43 | simonrvn | some are, some aren't |
| 15:49.53 | simonrvn | well let's see |
| 15:51.47 | simonrvn | oh. ha |
| 15:51.48 | simonrvn | don't need it after all |
| 15:52.52 | simonrvn | i do need the glade2 one though. checking the versions |
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| 16:29.58 | simonrvn | ok. deps are mostly resolved, all i gotta do is do a test build to see if it pukes or not. if it pukes then i gotta build those damned libs, else i'm ok |
| 16:45.52 | simonrvn | nothing to worry about |
| 16:45.58 | simonrvn | all sorted |
| 16:48.56 | simonrvn | Q-FUNK: i'll stick all that stuff up on my deb repo once it's built |
| 16:51.35 | Q-FUNK | coolness :) |
| 16:59.23 | simonrvn | hey, it's less of a dent on the system. nice |
| 16:59.42 | simonrvn | i can actually get to like this again :) |
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| 17:49.36 | CyberS | Hi! |
| 17:53.10 | simonrvn | hi |
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| 17:55.45 | CyberS | Anyone using the xorg from www.debian-desktop.org? |
| 17:56.23 | simonrvn | no. not in debian. when sarge release, it will be in. |
| 17:56.54 | CyberS | simonrvn: well, its packagend from the named source for debian/sarge and I got it running. |
| 17:57.00 | simonrvn | figures the configure script would puke on something stupidly simple ... murphy strikes again |
| 17:57.15 | simonrvn | uh, not official ones. |
| 17:57.20 | CyberS | Yeah. |
| 17:57.49 | CyberS | I just noticed that the fps rate in glxgears did not grow, like it was said to. |
| 17:58.13 | CyberS | Another problem was startx not being useable with non-root permissions. |
| 17:58.32 | simonrvn | who said that? and i would think fps is a relatively minor issue, compared to what really is in need of fixing |
| 17:58.50 | simonrvn | probably because the packager didn't set X setuid |
| 17:58.50 | CyberS | simonrvn: there have been benches from Gentoo people. |
| 17:58.56 | Bor_Ed | LOL |
| 17:59.01 | simonrvn | i don't care about gentoo. |
| 17:59.06 | CyberS | :) |
| 17:59.20 | Bor_Ed | how many tenths of frames per minute they got extra ? |
| 17:59.32 | simonrvn | 0.21215 |
| 17:59.35 | CyberS | From 500 to around 750 AFAIR |
| 17:59.45 | Bor_Ed | sheesh, I'll move to gentoo simonrvn, sowwy :o |
| 17:59.48 | CyberS | xfree/xorg |
| 18:00.01 | simonrvn | Bor_Ed: ;) |
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| 18:00.29 | Bor_Ed | gentoo benchmarks to the glory |
| 18:00.31 | simonrvn | Q-FUNK: you have a recent copy of libxklavier, version 1.14? |
| 18:00.31 | randyg_ | gah! |
| 18:00.39 | simonrvn | i mean .deb form |
| 18:00.46 | CyberS | Bor_Ed: well, it wasnt Debian vs. Gentoo but xfree vs. xorg. ;) |
| 18:01.02 | simonrvn | bah. can't fake a real benchmark properly |
| 18:01.06 | Bor_Ed | yup... and I trust pretty much everything that comes from gentoo ppl |
| 18:01.07 | Q-FUNK | simonrvn: ? |
| 18:01.11 | Q-FUNK | maybe. lemme see |
| 18:01.42 | Bor_Ed | pretty much everyone would run gentoo on the 601/60's if the buggr really would work like advertised |
| 18:01.45 | simonrvn | CyberS: that is no comparision. if you're going to even remotely rsemble something scientific, you're going to use the same of everything. |
| 18:02.12 | simonrvn | fricking gentoobies |
| 18:02.19 | Bor_Ed | mmm |
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| 18:04.47 | Q-FUNK | simonrvn: ah yes. that must be the missing lib thta the debian gnome guys were pestering the maintainer about. they need it to build the applets, iirc. |
| 18:05.24 | simonrvn | exactly |
| 18:05.54 | simonrvn | i'll .deb up the stupid thing... might as well |
| 18:06.53 | Q-FUNK | you can probably find it in ubuntu |
| 18:07.01 | Q-FUNK | ready-to-use |
| 18:07.28 | simonrvn | that's a thought |
| 18:08.28 | Q-FUNK | probably no change needed either, since it's just a lib. |
| 18:08.41 | simonrvn | yeh. if it's the right version, w00t |
| 18:08.42 | Q-FUNK | I would not be so sure about gnome-applets, though |
| 18:09.06 | simonrvn | this is capplets, g-c-c, g-settings-d, and some other stuff |
| 18:09.44 | Q-FUNK | ubuntu removes the translations from their packages, so i avoid using them as much as possible. however, for libraries, it works well. |
| 18:10.39 | simonrvn | they don't have .po's? |
| 18:11.16 | Q-FUNK | they move all the po's of all the gnome package into a single HUGE 35mb package called locale-support-<language> |
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| 18:12.13 | simonrvn | nope. 1.0.4 |
| 18:12.20 | simonrvn | 1.04 even |
| 18:12.32 | Q-FUNK | come again? |
| 18:12.54 | simonrvn | wait a minute, looks like 2 |
| 18:13.03 | simonrvn | libxklavier_2.0-0ubuntu1.diff.gz |
| 18:14.46 | simonrvn | plonk |
| 18:17.31 | simonrvn | un-plonk |
| 18:18.58 | simonrvn | gonna have to build it anyway. i don't feel like building 3 other packages as well... |
| 18:19.14 | simonrvn | libxklavier10 depends on libxkbfile1; however: |
| 18:19.14 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:19.15 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:19.15 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:19.21 | simonrvn | ... |
| 18:23.48 | furrywolf_ | sigh. just got another reminder from an ebay seller to pay him... |
| 18:24.03 | furrywolf_ | I'll find out in a couple hours if my paycheck is here yet. |
| 18:24.15 | furrywolf_ | it had better be |
| 18:27.13 | simonrvn | eek. |
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| 18:27.56 | furrywolf_ | was supposed to be here a week ago! |
| 18:28.59 | furrywolf_ | already spent the quarters, dimes, and nickels, down to the pennies... |
| 18:29.13 | Pakal | please help! My G5 died unexpectedly |
| 18:29.27 | furrywolf_ | does it turn on? :) |
| 18:29.47 | Pakal | I start and after two or three hours sudenly turn off |
| 18:30.02 | furrywolf_ | bad power supply? |
| 18:30.12 | Pakal | anybody have the same problem? |
| 18:30.20 | simonrvn | no |
| 18:30.57 | furrywolf_ | that sounds more like a hardware problem... |
| 18:30.59 | Pakal | I have G4 besides and that system keeps alive |
| 18:31.18 | Pakal | I installed debian two weeks ago |
| 18:31.35 | simonrvn | overheating |
| 18:32.01 | simonrvn | ps fried, or malfunctioning, and shts off so it won't burn out |
| 18:32.06 | simonrvn | shuts* |
| 18:32.11 | Pakal | but the fans works fine |
| 18:33.17 | simonrvn | something's not working... |
| 18:46.44 | simonrvn | "uploading" libxklavier v 2 |
| 18:48.44 | simonrvn | Q-FUNK: ^^^ |
| 18:48.54 | Q-FUNK | hm? |
| 18:49.43 | simonrvn | fetch manually, debpool doesn't seem to update Packages very well. or i haven't figured out how to get it to do that yet |
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| 19:20.59 | simonrvn | w00t |
| 19:21.10 | simonrvn | got to ./config.status FINALLY |
| 19:22.54 | simonrvn | i'm building with 3.4, i've been having problems with gcc 3.3 |
| 19:23.20 | simonrvn | like netatalk 2.0.2 doesn't even want to fnish building with 3.3 |
| 19:23.22 | simonrvn | on ppc |
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| 19:49.47 | simonrvn | Q-FUNK: building as we speak |
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| 19:56.09 | Q-FUNK | simonrvn: gnome-session 2.10 in incoming |
| 19:56.21 | simonrvn | cool |
| 19:56.31 | simonrvn | won't have to build that ;p |
| 19:56.56 | Q-FUNK | will, since the upload is i386 |
| 19:57.08 | Q-FUNK | but nevermind. I'll build it here and add it to my repository. |
| 19:57.35 | simonrvn | ok |
| 19:58.24 | simonrvn | the --as-needed option for ld is what help making things smaller and less hoggy |
| 19:58.34 | simonrvn | ld, or something else, could be ld |
| 19:59.12 | Q-FUNK | yes |
| 19:59.24 | Q-FUNK | I also used it for a couple of packages |
| 20:00.07 | simonrvn | the linking takes longer i notice, but i think it's worth it |
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| 20:08.11 | simonrvn | re |
| 20:49.44 | Q-FUNK | building gnome-session now |
| 20:49.51 | simonrvn | ok |
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| 21:05.42 | Q-FUNK | simonrvn: I transfered all those gnome 2.10 to my actual repository. just one sources.list away :) |
| 21:06.30 | simonrvn | cool :) |
| 21:06.51 | simonrvn | i put those i already had into mine. i'll remove them before i re-update |
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| 21:16.30 | simonrvn | gnome-control-center almost done. it,s started the install into debian/ |
| 21:22.01 | Q-FUNK | using the ubuntu libxklavier ? |
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| 21:23.27 | Q-FUNK | upload complete |
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| 21:23.31 | Q-FUNK | brb |
| 21:25.37 | simonrvn | no, home built debian |
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| 21:30.29 | simonrvn | no, home built debian |
| 21:31.14 | Q-FUNK | gnome-games 2.10 in incoming |
| 21:31.22 | simonrvn | the ubuntu one had too many dep differences to bother with, so i grabbed debian's, and did a transplant |
| 21:31.57 | Q-FUNK | version -0.1 ? |
| 21:32.31 | simonrvn | yeh :/ |
| 21:33.01 | simonrvn | so when the debian gets released, its version will override mine |
| 21:33.07 | simonrvn | the debian one* |
| 21:36.58 | Q-FUNK | which is ok |
| 21:37.17 | simonrvn | :) |
| 21:40.06 | simonrvn | hitting a speed bump here, keep getting |
| 21:40.09 | simonrvn | dh_install -pcapplets-data |
| 21:40.09 | simonrvn | cp: cannot stat `./debian/tmp/usr/share/control-center-2.0/capplets/': No such file or directory |
| 21:40.09 | simonrvn | dh_install: command returned error code 256 |
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| 21:43.35 | simonrvn | rules file not very illuminating on what it's supposed tp cp |
| 21:46.35 | simonrvn | ... |
| 21:49.52 | Q-FUNK | which package and from where? |
| 21:50.20 | Q-FUNK | if i can get the source, i can check and tell you |
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| 21:51.43 | simonrvn | gnome-control-center src package |
| 21:53.14 | simonrvn | oh hold on, i think i found it |
| 21:55.43 | simonrvn | no... |
| 21:57.09 | simonrvn | hold on, something weird just came up |
| 22:02.00 | simonrvn | i had to get the source from upstream, then applied the working and/or needed patches, then just built it. i have all the build-deps.... |
| 22:05.21 | Q-FUNK | you applied the 2.8.x debian folder? |
| 22:07.07 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 22:07.30 | simonrvn | then tweaked as needed |
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| 22:08.30 | simonrvn | oh, wait... |
| 22:10.28 | simonrvn | the capplets don't seem to have installed to debian/tmp or something, and the capplets dir didn't get created |
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| 22:11.08 | Q-FUNK | debian/capplets-data.install |
| 22:11.12 | Q-FUNK | edit this |
| 22:11.50 | Q-FUNK | remove all the control-center-2.0 lines |
| 22:12.54 | simonrvn | aha |
| 22:13.11 | simonrvn | hmm. check this out: it's the Makefile from capplets/ |
| 22:13.21 | simonrvn | $(RECURSIVE_TARGETS): |
| 22:13.25 | simonrvn | <snip> |
| 22:13.33 | simonrvn | list='$(SUBDIRS)'; for subdir in $$list; do \ |
| 22:13.44 | simonrvn | further up: |
| 22:13.46 | simonrvn | SUBDIRS = $(always_built_SUBDIRS) $(randr_SUBDIRS) |
| 22:13.56 | Q-FUNK | don't touch the makefile |
| 22:14.01 | simonrvn | always_built_SUBDIRS = \ |
| 22:14.01 | simonrvn | common accessibility\ |
| 22:14.01 | simonrvn | default-applications font\ |
| 22:14.01 | simonrvn | background keyboard mouse sound\ |
| 22:14.01 | simonrvn | theme-switcher ui-properties\ |
| 22:14.02 | simonrvn | keybindings network windows |
| 22:14.07 | simonrvn | randr_SUBDIRS = display |
| 22:14.13 | simonrvn | subdir = capplets |
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| 22:14.21 | simonrvn | separate from the rest |
| 22:14.48 | simonrvn | strange |
| 22:20.47 | simonrvn | ok, trying again with that crap removed |
| 22:21.29 | simonrvn | i usually figure this out on my own, but i was having a brain fart. thank you |
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| 22:34.34 | simonrvn | ok, that .deb's built |
| 22:58.10 | simonrvn | i'll get the dumb thing eventually :) |
| 22:58.31 | simonrvn | the *.install files are different from 2.8 |
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| 23:10.31 | simonrvn | done. testing now |
| 23:10.59 | simonrvn | Q-FUNK: ^^^ |
| 23:12.36 | Q-FUNK | ok |
| 23:14.00 | simonrvn | is gnome-session ready? |
| 23:21.10 | simonrvn | nm, dumb question |
| 23:21.32 | simonrvn | ok, putting up capplets and crap |
| 23:22.53 | simonrvn | Q-FUNK: instructions can be found at http://simonraven.nuit.ca/src/ |
| 23:25.43 | Q-FUNK | we're gonna have the new libklavier tomorrow anyhow :) |
| 23:25.51 | simonrvn | well, that fixes the deps. hopefully i didn't miss anything in the build ;) |
| 23:25.59 | simonrvn | oh, haha! |
| 23:26.18 | simonrvn | i beat them to it ;p |
| 23:29.48 | simonrvn | gnome-accessibility-themes_2.10.1-1_all.deb |
| 23:30.04 | simonrvn | gnome-themes_2.10.1-1_all.deb |
| 23:30.44 | simonrvn | nautilus-cd-burner_2.10.1-1 |
| 23:31.19 | simonrvn | i'll fetch the themes one |
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