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| 00:08.12 | bolete_ | nvsetenv is my friend. Or my enemy if my fingers slip. |
| 00:08.42 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 00:09.06 | bolete_ | So here's the tricky one: |
| 00:09.21 | bolete_ | Now, it's running the 2.2 kernel. |
| 00:09.51 | simonrvn | i bet it's damned slow too because of that kernel |
| 00:09.58 | bolete_ | Do I apt-get the 2.6 sarge kernel, then do the nvsetenv? |
| 00:10.12 | bolete_ | Yes it is slow |
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| 00:12.04 | bolete_ | vmlinux is on the hfs partition, which is hfs+, and therefore useless frm this end. |
| 00:12.41 | simonrvn | yup. |
| 00:12.58 | simonrvn | though i've booted from hfs+ partitions with bootx |
| 00:13.16 | bolete_ | That's what the current state is here. |
| 00:13.42 | bolete_ | So the kernel upgrade is a bit of a conundrum |
| 00:13.56 | simonrvn | you can keep the mock os part. small, like 64-100 mb, and use the rest for linux |
| 00:14.27 | bolete_ | At present, I prefer to keep it for insurance purposes. |
| 00:14.40 | simonrvn | sure |
| 00:15.54 | bolete_ | What's the kernel package name? dpkg listings are truncated. |
| 00:16.20 | simonrvn | COLUMNS=150 dpkg -l foo |
| 00:16.23 | bolete_ | 2.6, of course |
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| 01:24.27 | bolete_ | Correct? nvsetenv boot-device "ata/ata-disk@0:0" |
| 01:25.43 | bolete_ | nvsetenv boot-file \"initrd=/boot/initrd.img-2.6.8-powerpc\" |
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| 03:11.04 | simonrvn | bolete_: first one yeh, second may not need. keep it... might only have to do boot-file Linux, or just plain blank |
| 03:14.57 | furrywolf_ | all empty rambus slots have to be filled with CRIMMs for it to work, right? |
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| 10:23.40 | Coutal | hello all |
| 10:23.53 | Coutal | does anybody know if there's any way to operate the infrared port on a powermac 5500? |
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| 12:16.57 | bruno | how to get java applet in mozilla ? |
| 12:17.02 | Bor_Ed | you don't |
| 12:17.36 | bruno | no tricks allow to do it (even mozplugger) ? :-( |
| 12:17.42 | Bor_Ed | nope :/ |
| 12:18.01 | Bor_Ed | blackdown jre used to work with moz but it hasn't kept up with the glibc |
| 12:18.49 | bruno | bad news :-(((( appletviewer is poor and integration of applet and rest of the document is not rendered ... |
| 12:19.09 | bruno | any idea how to use IBM jdk jre to do the trick ? |
| 12:26.08 | Bor_Ed | that doesn't include browser plugin |
| 12:31.17 | bruno | funny because I just try to have applet with konqueror and it works pretty well. Any idea where I may find documentation on how to code a firefox plugin ? |
| 12:32.38 | Bor_Ed | konqueror has java ?? |
| 12:32.41 | Bor_Ed | what the... |
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| 12:33.42 | sk1p | the java applet stuff is included into konqueror iirc, so no plugin is necessary, only the java executable |
| 12:34.43 | Bor_Ed | hmm, got a site with info about that ? |
| 12:34.52 | sk1p | lemme see |
| 12:38.42 | sk1p | hmm, http://www.konqueror.org/javahowto/ may theres something, gotta go |
| 12:38.56 | Bor_Ed | thanks |
| 12:39.18 | Bor_Ed | kde java applet server... hmm, wrong approach |
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| 15:26.46 | virgomoon | Good morning, all. |
| 15:27.10 | davem | hello :) |
| 15:28.14 | virgomoon | I just got a request from a customer looking for a Woody distro set with an extra install disk for the Amiga with a Teron PPC board. He gave me a link of where to get the ISO, but is there an 'official' iso for this install disk with MD5 sums for verification? |
| 15:28.51 | simonrvn | what's the link? |
| 15:28.55 | virgomoon | standby |
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| 15:29.18 | virgomoon | members.optusnet.com.au/amigaman2/debian-install.iso.bz2 |
| 15:30.30 | johill | one down. bluetooth works on the new powerbook if you treat it right :) |
| 15:30.33 | simonrvn | afaik, woody doesn't officially support those. could be wrong, ask svenl |
| 15:31.50 | virgomoon | I suppose I'm more concerned about being able to verify the download and burn and making sure this is OK to send out from the States. I just know there's a NONUS disk and didn't want to get caught up in any restrictions. |
| 15:32.52 | simonrvn | check the dir where that iso is, there might be one. and since that's .au site, the non-us is probably taken into account =) |
| 15:33.30 | virgomoon | simonrvn: Well, the .au was my concern as this will be shipping from the US |
| 15:36.01 | simonrvn | i doubt that will matter. but i'm not a lawyer |
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| 16:30.40 | skel | =] |
| 16:30.49 | skel | anyone know what orinoco patch I need to download for the airport (regular not express) to do monitor mode? is it the orinoco-cs one or the pcmcia-cs? |
| 16:30.57 | skel | because airport isn't pcmcia, but I didn't know if it made a difference |
| 16:31.17 | skel | =] |
| 16:31.30 | simonrvn | heh |
| 16:35.30 | skel | simonrvn: is that childish? =P |
| 16:35.53 | simonrvn | a tiny bit ;p. but should be fun :) |
| 16:36.02 | skel | I thought it'd be fun to at least learn whats happening =D |
| 16:36.29 | simonrvn | yeh, exactly |
| 16:36.50 | simonrvn | learning should be fun too. or at least your approach. this is good |
| 16:37.38 | skel | =] |
| 16:37.46 | skel | any ideas which driver? |
| 16:37.55 | skel | I'm betting the orinoco named one |
| 16:39.22 | simonrvn | no clue. :/. try it |
| 16:39.37 | skel | is there a way to remove a patch if its not the right one? |
| 16:39.40 | Curalton | patch? here wavemon could tell me "something" |
| 16:39.49 | Curalton | yes, with patch -R |
| 16:39.57 | skel | Curalton: iwpriv ethX |
| 16:40.03 | Curalton | and better do patch --dry-run first to see if its the correct one |
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| 16:40.16 | skel | Curalton: there's no "monitor" for me =/ |
| 16:40.20 | skel | Curalton: ok cool =] |
| 16:40.31 | skel | Curalton: ty soo much for your config the other day |
| 16:40.37 | skel | saved me a lot of time =] |
| 16:40.49 | Curalton | :) |
| 16:41.12 | Curalton | btw did you bother about swsuspend recently? |
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| 16:41.38 | skel | no.. swsuspend? |
| 16:41.52 | skel | after I upgraded to 2.6.11 suspend seemed to work peachy |
| 16:42.24 | skel | I'm in a very good mood today =] |
| 16:43.12 | Curalton | suspend to RAM, yes. but i mean to HD, seems disabled again in .11 |
| 16:43.52 | skel | ah! yeah I am doing cryptoloop so I stick with ram =/ |
| 16:43.54 | Curalton | "near unlimited" is rather relative |
| 16:44.09 | skel | Curalton: well.. enough for us to do what we want in any case =] |
| 16:44.19 | skel | infiniti -1 |
| 16:44.22 | skel | =D |
| 16:44.32 | Curalton | well, i'd probably just unmount it and remount my loop-aes partition |
| 16:44.36 | Curalton | heh |
| 16:44.47 | skel | everytime? |
| 16:45.43 | Curalton | sure takes less time than a complete boot process |
| 16:46.33 | simonrvn | skel: wow, cool (WRT colo) |
| 16:48.27 | simonrvn | debian's heimdal isn't built with ldap enabled. reason being that it's a circular thing. you have to have ldap built and installed, then build heimdal, then rebuild ldap... |
| 16:48.47 | simonrvn | then you get both enabled with each other properly |
| 16:51.58 | simonrvn | probably waiting for some thing or another |
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| 16:52.27 | skel | works great |
| 16:52.34 | skel | prior to that there were some g3 bugs |
| 16:52.38 | skel | wouldn't build |
| 16:53.06 | skel | bummer.. patch doesn't apply =/ |
| 16:53.36 | simonrvn | yeh i remeber you telling me that. er :/ (wrt patch) |
| 16:53.40 | simonrvn | +m |
| 16:53.59 | Nijan | hello, i cannot compile the latest 2.6.11.7, i have this error: LD .tmp_vmlinux1 |
| 16:53.59 | Nijan | arch/ppc/platforms/built-in.o(.init.text+0xd5a): In function `core99_wake_up': |
| 16:54.39 | simonrvn | missing dep? |
| 16:55.10 | Nijan | nijan@elena:~/src/linux-2.6.11.7 $ sudo fakeroot make-kpkg binary-arch |
| 16:55.10 | Nijan | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:55.25 | simonrvn | i mean in your .config |
| 16:55.27 | Nijan | what should i do? |
| 16:55.45 | simonrvn | can you paste the whole of the error to #flood? |
| 16:55.50 | Nijan | yes |
| 16:58.06 | skel | simonrvn: what does wrt mean? |
| 16:58.34 | simonrvn | with regards to |
| 16:58.37 | skel | ah |
| 17:01.07 | simonrvn | stupid kiddied zombied host with ssh crap... *yawn* |
| 17:01.28 | simonrvn | probably running rh 5 or 7... |
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| 17:07.36 | mirak | hi |
| 17:08.02 | skel | =] |
| 17:08.22 | mirak | my PC powersupply have trouble handleling a seagate 250G hard drive. So I want to get some data on it from a G3 b&w |
| 17:08.30 | mirak | I don't want to cram the power supply |
| 17:08.55 | mirak | any idea how they handle new devices ? |
| 17:09.30 | simonrvn | what's the wattage on the b&w's PS? |
| 17:10.45 | Bor_Ed | iirc, 250 |
| 17:11.01 | mirak | on the PC it's an antec True power 330 |
| 17:11.01 | simonrvn | hmm. |
| 17:11.11 | mirak | this alim is dying |
| 17:11.30 | mirak | I can't plug a radeon8500 plus this hard drive |
| 17:11.41 | mirak | the radeon always freezes |
| 17:11.58 | Bor_Ed | http://www.apple-history.com/frames/body.php?page=gallery&model=g3blue 200 watts, my bad |
| 17:12.09 | simonrvn | 200? fuck |
| 17:12.13 | simonrvn | no way |
| 17:12.18 | mirak | in fact I am not sure if it's really the hard drive fault only or if the supply is really tired |
| 17:12.27 | mirak | it's 2 years and 9 months old |
| 17:12.46 | mirak | I was running it almost 24/24 |
| 17:12.54 | mirak | 7/7 |
| 17:12.56 | Bor_Ed | I had a mac with 32W psu :D |
| 17:13.08 | mirak | I don't know what is the life lenght of a supply |
| 17:13.11 | simonrvn | you need horsepower to run it 24/7 |
| 17:13.24 | simonrvn | and something that can take a beating |
| 17:13.37 | mirak | I plan to buy an antec true power 2 480 watts |
| 17:13.55 | mirak | true power 2.0 |
| 17:13.59 | mirak | not 2480 watts |
| 17:14.05 | mirak | ^^ |
| 17:14.08 | simonrvn | :) |
| 17:14.25 | mirak | I am not really sure what to buy in fact |
| 17:14.40 | simonrvn | hint: an 8500 cannot run 4 7200 rpm drives for very long ;) |
| 17:15.24 | furrywolf_ | heh |
| 17:15.26 | simonrvn | it's running 1, and a crappy little 5400, 250 MB one now |
| 17:17.46 | furrywolf_ | I've only got a 300W supply in this box... which I think is near its limit. two power-hungry intel cpus (about 50 watts/each), geforce video card with a big fansink, ati all-in-winder capture card (also power hungry), two (soon to be 3) hard drives, cd burner, DVD burner, zip drive, an amp or so of 5v load from USB... |
| 17:18.26 | simonrvn | eek |
| 17:18.44 | simonrvn | "it's gonna blow cap'n!" |
| 17:18.48 | furrywolf_ | lol |
| 17:19.27 | simonrvn | *grin* |
| 17:19.51 | Bor_Ed | wintel at 50 watts... that has to be celery mobile :o |
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| 17:20.28 | furrywolf_ | p3-866 cpu... |
| 17:20.35 | furrywolf_ | it's 47 or something like that. :) |
| 17:20.44 | Bor_Ed | hmm, yer sure that's not thermal wattage ? |
| 17:21.13 | furrywolf_ | there's a difference? |
| 17:21.36 | simonrvn | yes |
| 17:21.43 | Bor_Ed | thermal is what's needed to cool down the cpu and input is what goes to running and cooling |
| 17:21.48 | furrywolf_ | seems like from a thermodynamics viewpoint, a cpu is 0% efficent... energy goes in, no work comes out. thus it must all be heat. :) |
| 17:22.11 | simonrvn | untrue however. cpu runs everything |
| 17:22.43 | furrywolf_ | other than a trivial output on the bus lines, it seems all the energy that goes into a cpu comes out as heat. |
| 17:23.16 | simonrvn | come up with a superconducting motherboard, and you'll be rich |
| 17:23.28 | Bor_Ed | or optic computer |
| 17:23.41 | simonrvn | or both ;) |
| 17:24.01 | Bor_Ed | there's no electricity on optic gear so where you need superconductors ? :D |
| 17:24.11 | furrywolf_ | optics would be more immediately prommising... SOAs are getting pretty close to being usable. |
| 17:24.19 | Bor_Ed | well, maybe on the laser/switching mirrors but that's about it |
| 17:25.08 | simonrvn | hmm, true. but if you can maximise output and minimise input you'll saves tonnes of energy |
| 17:25.43 | furrywolf_ | SOAs = silicon optical amplifiers... IMHO, the technology optical cpus are waiting on. |
| 17:26.08 | simonrvn | so if you can get to a point where you just have to put in electricity ocassionally and not all the time (due to molecular friction, quantum effects, etc.) you'll be much etter off |
| 17:26.09 | furrywolf_ | some company, I don't remember who, has an optical matrix multiplier. |
| 17:26.18 | simonrvn | better* |
| 17:26.26 | Bor_Ed | there are clockless cpus already |
| 17:26.28 | simonrvn | cool |
| 17:26.37 | Bor_Ed | just not on desktop segment |
| 17:26.38 | Oryn | anyone know a way to fix the mrb after osx10.3 stuffs it? so I can boot linux again? |
| 17:26.42 | furrywolf_ | multiplies, every clock cycle, 256x256 matricies... |
| 17:26.44 | Oryn | mbr* |
| 17:26.46 | furrywolf_ | with a 4ghz clock |
| 17:26.50 | simonrvn | what mbr? |
| 17:27.03 | Oryn | the boot block on my mac |
| 17:27.15 | simonrvn | what mbr? |
| 17:27.23 | Bor_Ed | what boot block ? |
| 17:27.25 | Oryn | yboot I think |
| 17:27.34 | simonrvn | yaboot botstrap is not an mbr |
| 17:27.38 | simonrvn | boot* |
| 17:27.45 | furrywolf_ | http://www.lenslet.com/products.asp <== those people |
| 17:27.49 | simonrvn | aah |
| 17:28.00 | furrywolf_ | Vector Matrix Multiplier (VMM) capable of performing vector-matrix operations at a rate of up to 8000 Giga MAC operations per second |
| 17:28.14 | furrywolf_ | 8 TRILLION multiply-accumulates per second |
| 17:28.29 | Oryn | all I know is I used to get a choice of booting linux and since running the osx10.3 upgrade I don't |
| 17:28.35 | furrywolf_ | uses lasers and quantum stuff I won't pretend to understand. :) |
| 17:28.37 | simonrvn | fixed point proc |
| 17:29.12 | Oryn | I think I'm stuffed as my linux partition is reiserfs and the bootable cd I used doesn't support it |
| 17:29.44 | simonrvn | boot off a sarge cd |
| 17:30.15 | Oryn | it didn't work, I tried holding down c and it just booted macos |
| 17:30.28 | Oryn | unless I did something wrong |
| 17:30.41 | simonrvn | how many times did you try? once? |
| 17:30.50 | simonrvn | (sorry, that was snippy) |
| 17:31.02 | Oryn | i tried 3 times |
| 17:31.31 | Oryn | maybe I'll try burning the cd at 4x speed (burned at 24x previously) |
| 17:31.40 | simonrvn | yeh, burn it slow |
| 17:31.51 | simonrvn | could be a bad burn |
| 17:34.37 | Oryn | yeah so the sarge debian installer cd's are good yeah? 200MB iso? |
| 17:35.13 | simonrvn | sure, netinst is fine. you just need to chroot to it and re-run ybin |
| 17:35.39 | Oryn | ok cool |
| 17:36.00 | simonrvn | the thing probably got unblessed by something, so it got knackered |
| 17:36.15 | skel | man.. will linux ppc ever get a recent version of java? |
| 17:36.30 | skel | it's bad enough our tool needs 1.5 |
| 17:36.53 | Oryn | simonrvn: the osx cd did something to make it boot from the cd |
| 17:36.56 | simonrvn | blame sun. blame ibm for not making the plugin. blame sun for making java non-free |
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| 17:37.11 | simonrvn | bastoids! |
| 17:37.22 | skel | oh btw, anyone with a lot of freetime that wants to help out.. I've started a project to create course material for learning FOSS stuff |
| 17:37.25 | simonrvn | Oryn: yeh not surprised. trying to be "helpful" |
| 17:37.40 | Oryn | I tried installing from osx in the hope it would do it in one go, but it broke it |
| 17:37.50 | skel | http://www.devrylinux.org/projects/get-smart |
| 17:39.34 | simonrvn | nice |
| 17:39.54 | simonrvn | just make sure sun doesn't fuck you over :) |
| 17:42.39 | skel | sun? |
| 17:42.49 | simonrvn | i misread. sorry |
| 17:42.58 | skel | they've already fucked me by not giving me java 1.5 =P |
| 17:43.19 | Curalton | lol |
| 17:43.24 | simonrvn | s/sun/cisco/. though they tend to be ok with f/oss afaik |
| 17:43.35 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 17:43.42 | skel | I got the written consent from the VP here in a safety deposit box =] |
| 17:43.51 | simonrvn | cool |
| 17:43.59 | skel | so if they ever say "we didn't say that" :-P |
| 17:43.59 | simonrvn | skel++ |
| 17:44.08 | skel | =] |
| 17:44.32 | skel | I'm working on getting a theme to work.. but I'll post a link to the first course I've started in a minute |
| 17:44.41 | skel | see what you guys think about the layout |
| 17:44.59 | skel | simonrvn: using that for centralized auth? or what? |
| 17:45.31 | simonrvn | trying to. have ldap doing it already. trying to get heimdal kbr5 to look at the ldap db properly |
| 17:45.38 | simonrvn | krb* |
| 17:46.09 | simonrvn | so i built a snapshot to see if i can do that ;) |
| 17:46.39 | simonrvn | brb |
| 17:46.54 | skel | k |
| 17:47.16 | skel | works great |
| 17:47.22 | skel | as an extra measure |
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| 17:51.37 | simonrvn | brb |
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| 18:50.08 | Nijan | hello, i installed a new kernel with dpkg -i kernel-image.. but it fail to boot, is there a way to boot the old one? |
| 18:50.43 | simonrvn | boot Linux.old |
| 18:52.29 | Nijan | is the command? |
| 18:52.42 | Nijan | i have this |
| 18:52.51 | Nijan | image=/boot/vmlinux.old |
| 18:52.52 | Nijan | label=old |
| 18:53.20 | simonrvn | then it's 'old' |
| 18:53.43 | Nijan | i'll try. sigh. cannot have this kernel working today |
| 18:55.23 | beth | anybody care to comment on powerbook vs ibook hardware? I'm going to buy a 12" one or the other |
| 18:55.43 | beth | the ibook is cheaper, but the powerbook has a nicer keyboard.. |
| 18:55.48 | simonrvn | one's higher priced than the other |
| 18:56.16 | beth | apple claims that the ibook is more durable |
| 18:56.55 | simonrvn | i'd get a smaller one anyway, just so it's more practical to carry around |
| 18:57.39 | beth | 12" is pretty small.. |
| 18:58.10 | beth | the ibook is almost a pound lighter |
| 18:58.12 | beth | hmm |
| 18:58.30 | beth | any complaints? |
| 18:58.47 | beth | how's battery life? |
| 19:00.30 | beth | oops, was misreading about the weight |
| 19:00.51 | pahartik | beth: it was sold with Airport Extreme, but i managed to get rid of that... |
| 19:00.58 | beth | what did you do? |
| 19:01.10 | beth | I was figuring I'd use a usb thingy |
| 19:02.06 | pahartik | beth: sold "Airport Extreme adapter" to someone else and using built-in Bluetooth instead |
| 19:02.25 | beth | ah |
| 19:02.46 | beth | how's the keyboard? It looked like the keys might be flimsy and breaky |
| 19:03.42 | pahartik | beth: external monitor works fine for extended display area... it required building some package outside normal Debian package archive |
| 19:05.47 | pahartik | beth: keyboard is quite ok... maybe PowerBook G4 does have better keyboard |
| 19:06.29 | beth | ok |
| 19:08.23 | Curalton | ibooks are white and stand out more than greyish pbooks |
| 19:10.15 | pahartik | beth: if you plan to run Linux, ATI graphics adapter is supposed to cause less problems than Nvidia graphics adapter |
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| 19:44.24 | simonrvn | on pmac that's quite true. nvidia driver is x86-only |
| 19:46.58 | Bor_Ed | I've seen loads of ppl trying nveedia ubercool hyped gfx cards on linux and moving pretty fast to radeon 9200 or 9800 after messing up with the drivers for some weeks |
| 19:49.33 | Curalton | on ppc |
| 19:51.05 | Bor_Ed | pm x86 |
| 19:51.09 | Bor_Ed | on even |
| 19:51.26 | simonrvn | yup. and some people still insist on using it. ... |
| 19:51.45 | simonrvn | though ati is getting just as bad as nvidia wrt their specs |
| 19:52.02 | simonrvn | benh et al. are having a harder time with them last few months |
| 19:52.06 | Bor_Ed | couple of friends have somehow managed to get nvidia driver kit up and running... though the stability still is what you could expect from the driver |
| 19:52.10 | simonrvn | same for "open"darwin |
| 19:52.33 | Bor_Ed | bitboys really should get their card to production |
| 19:53.44 | simonrvn | e.g.: benh realised a bit ago that most of the driver for the sound on the g5 is hidden from view in opendarwin. also there's new trackpad, that's not synaptics, which has been causing problems - it's in-house (apple, inc.) and total crap |
| 19:54.30 | Bor_Ed | hmm |
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| 19:54.43 | simonrvn | as to the driver, it's all hidden in the closed source crap. oh, same goes for the trackpad dirver. closed, most of the work is done by the driver, and not the h/w, and the performance in os x is total crap |
| 19:55.00 | Bor_Ed | mmmm |
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| 19:55.40 | simonrvn | hence my use of '"open"darwin' |
| 19:56.02 | one_2_one | 2.6.11.7 kernel is working fine on ppc ? |
| 19:56.12 | simonrvn | yes |
| 19:56.16 | johill | simonrvn: the trackpad isn't that bad. I've mostly reverse engineered it |
| 19:56.17 | one_2_one | :) |
| 19:56.31 | simonrvn | cool |
| 19:56.39 | johill | see http://johannes.sipsolutions.net/PowerBook |
| 19:56.50 | johill | (somewhere below) |
| 19:59.02 | simonrvn | my ipv6 routing is fucked... |
| 19:59.25 | johill | uh. it would work over ipv4 too =) |
| 19:59.31 | simonrvn | eventually |
| 19:59.46 | simonrvn | liinux tries ipv6 first |
| 19:59.51 | simonrvn | s/ii/i/ |
| 20:00.05 | johill | yeah |
| 20:00.33 | simonrvn | having a hard time figuring out how to advertise my route to my peer. hence the problems |
| 20:00.58 | johill | hm. I don't know how ipv6 does that. |
| 20:01.28 | johill | the ipv4 is 66.160.135.76 but its vhosted so you'd have to create an entry in your hosts file |
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| 20:02.43 | simonrvn | there we go |
| 20:03.29 | simonrvn | i know ;) |
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| 20:12.27 | simonrvn | you're still doing the mapping in s/w, and not h/w. which was the point i was trying to make |
| 20:13.08 | johill | yeah, that's true |
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