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| 00:50.35 | Curalton | cpu scaling |
| 00:50.53 | Curalton | usually every entry has an explaination to it |
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| 06:19.17 | mike`_ | anyone active? |
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| 07:25.56 | b33r | anyone got a newworld laptop to dual boot os 10.3 and debian? |
| 07:28.39 | petro | yep |
| 07:28.39 | petro | iBook |
| 07:29.38 | b33r | im using a powerbook g3 /w firewire |
| 07:29.43 | b33r | cant get debian on |
| 07:29.43 | petro | Is it not working? |
| 07:29.56 | b33r | this is what i tried: |
| 07:30.29 | petro | You have to install debian last |
| 07:30.41 | b33r | i used os10 disk utitilty and made 2 partitions, first for debian and second for osx, both HFS+ |
| 07:30.48 | b33r | ya i did |
| 07:30.55 | b33r | i booted into osx and downloaded 4 filed |
| 07:31.17 | b33r | linux.bin root.bin yaboot yaboot.conf |
| 07:31.17 | petro | ok |
| 07:31.20 | b33r | but them in my debian partition |
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| 07:31.28 | petro | right |
| 07:31.36 | b33r | then booten into OpenFirmware mode |
| 07:31.45 | b33r | did boot hd:3,yaboot |
| 07:31.49 | b33r | then it loaded the debian installer |
| 07:32.12 | b33r | formatted the debian patition with the apple_bootstrap, swap and root |
| 07:32.32 | b33r | then the installer keeps failing when trying to grab the base install files from http.us.debian.org |
| 07:32.47 | b33r | but the machine has full connectivity |
| 07:32.50 | petro | How is it connected to the internet? |
| 07:32.54 | b33r | cable |
| 07:33.05 | b33r | i can ping anyone from the install shell |
| 07:33.10 | petro | ah |
| 07:33.26 | petro | ethernet or airport? |
| 07:33.26 | b33r | ether |
| 07:33.26 | b33r | im trying woody btw |
| 07:33.34 | petro | oh my, try testing |
| 07:33.45 | b33r | ive done it like 3 times |
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| 07:34.06 | petro | I think it would be safer to download the netinst iso |
| 07:34.27 | b33r | i have that burned onto a disk |
| 07:34.45 | petro | have you tried booting from it? |
| 07:34.45 | b33r | i couldnt figure out where to put the apple_boot strap in the installer |
| 07:34.46 | b33r | or how |
| 07:34.55 | petro | on testing? or stable? |
| 07:35.06 | b33r | testing netinst |
| 07:35.18 | b33r | my partition table has like 9 apple partitions |
| 07:35.22 | b33r | i have no clue where to put what |
| 07:36.50 | b33r | can you run me through how you installed yours? |
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| 07:41.39 | petro | I just downloaded the netinst, burned it, reboot, held down c, followed the instructions until the partitioner where I went into manual, and here is my how my partitions are: |
| 07:41.39 | petro | Apple partition map, bootstrap, swap, root, HFS |
| 07:41.43 | b33r | ok sec im going to boot into the netinst cd |
| 07:41.44 | b33r | this is the guid i used fyi:http://people.debian.org/~branden/ibook.html |
| 07:42.40 | petro | that's outdated, you shouldn't need that anymore, everything "just works" for me on a default install |
| 07:43.11 | b33r | shiat |
| 07:43.15 | b33r | ok im booting now |
| 07:46.00 | b33r | while its loading: do you have gnome 2.10 installed? |
| 07:49.01 | petro | nope, kde 3.4 |
| 07:51.30 | b33r | ok everything looks good but then it tells me that my apple boot strap needs to be HFS+ |
| 07:51.31 | b33r | how can I do that with the partitioner |
| 07:51.58 | b33r | wait duuurrr i think i found it |
| 07:51.58 | b33r | :P |
| 08:13.29 | petro | so did it work this time? |
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| 08:53.09 | b33r | thanks petro, got it finally :) |
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| 09:32.44 | petro | Ok |
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| 09:40.08 | petro | hey |
| 09:40.31 | one_2_one | :) |
| 09:40.46 | petro | one_2_one: need any help, I have a meeting in 10 |
| 09:41.01 | one_2_one | no |
| 09:41.09 | one_2_one | maybe yes |
| 09:41.17 | one_2_one | make dep |
| 09:41.44 | one_2_one | it chosse the things to compile in kernel ? |
| 09:43.24 | one_2_one | i just have 1 prob with my imac g3 350mhz sound speakers |
| 09:43.28 | one_2_one | is making a noise :| |
| 09:52.43 | pahartik | one_2_one: very quiet noise? |
| 09:53.16 | one_2_one | yes |
| 09:53.41 | one_2_one | if i put the volume in max |
| 09:54.14 | one_2_one | it sucks :| |
| 09:54.24 | pahartik | one_2_one: i had that too on PowerMacintosh 5500... but i do not remember doing anything specific to fix it... |
| 09:55.06 | one_2_one | k |
| 09:55.30 | one_2_one | on some kernels dont make that sound |
| 09:55.36 | pahartik | one_2_one: with recent kernels and ALSA driver, there is no problem... |
| 09:55.39 | one_2_one | *noise |
| 09:56.01 | one_2_one | im have 2.6.11-7 |
| 09:56.10 | one_2_one | *i |
| 09:56.41 | one_2_one | make deep it makes .config ? |
| 09:57.47 | pahartik | one_2_one: noise changes when mouse is moved or disk access occurs? |
| 09:58.52 | one_2_one | no |
| 09:59.15 | one_2_one | i cnat explain better because my english sucks |
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| 10:00.06 | one_2_one | if i turn off sound the noise goes off |
| 10:00.36 | one_2_one | if i turn on the noise comes |
| 10:01.32 | pahartik | one_2_one: "turn off" and "turn on" as in "using mixer"? |
| 10:01.40 | one_2_one | no |
| 10:01.52 | one_2_one | i use pbbuttons |
| 10:02.05 | one_2_one | gtkpbbuttons |
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| 10:02.49 | pahartik | one_2_one: "mute (on)|(off)" is feature of "mixer" |
| 10:03.47 | one_2_one | k |
| 10:03.56 | one_2_one | now in osx |
| 10:04.10 | one_2_one | im going to debŠ brb |
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| 10:10.35 | one_2_one | hy |
| 10:11.04 | one_2_one | the noise is when i move mouse too |
| 10:11.16 | one_2_one | and when he acesses do HD |
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| 10:30.59 | terpstra | is there some way to run linux inside or parallel to MacOS X? similar to usermode linux? |
| 10:33.32 | pahartik | terpstra: is Mac-on-Linux (<URL:http://www.maconlinux.org/>) good enough? |
| 10:34.01 | terpstra | pahartik, i need to let the MacOS X end have native hardware access; I think mol precludes that, no? |
| 10:35.55 | pahartik | terpstra: do you have applications you cannot build on MacOS X side? |
| 10:37.00 | terpstra | pahartik, you're not suggesting i sell out wholesale to apple are you now? ;-) |
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| 10:37.49 | terpstra | ultimately, MacOS X would probably covers what I need, but I don't want to cut off my linux roots just yet... |
| 10:39.53 | pahartik | terpstra: with Mac-on-Linux one can run commercial non-open-source applications that are not available for Linux... on other side one can build most open-source applications and run them natively on MacOS X |
| 10:41.49 | pahartik | terpstra: and if you want Linux at the same time, get another PowerMacintosh and run applications on it with remote DISPLAY set to MacOS X |
| 10:42.59 | terpstra | i was hoping to run the linux kernel inside MacOS X and then use X forwarding to use it seamlessly... |
| 10:43.05 | terpstra | ahh well, sounds like that's not feasible. |
| 10:45.24 | pahartik | terpstra: i do not think that kind of thing is available at the moment on MacOS X side |
| 10:47.07 | terpstra | usermode linux ported to MacOS X would be great. :) |
| 11:08.20 | terpstra | qemux sounds like it might work |
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| 15:36.38 | Magaly | hi |
| 15:37.05 | Magaly | i have a ibook G4 with debian-sid and i can not to work X |
| 15:37.15 | Magaly | somebody help me? |
| 15:45.03 | petro | Yep |
| 15:45.26 | petro | go to #flood and copy-paste your lspci there |
| 15:46.27 | Magaly | petro: the ibook has not inet :-( |
| 15:46.33 | Magaly | i am with a pc |
| 15:46.34 | petro | ah |
| 15:46.52 | Magaly | but |
| 15:47.05 | Magaly | the radeon driver is correct? |
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| 15:47.24 | petro | have you installed x-window-system? |
| 15:47.35 | Magaly | more or less |
| 15:48.11 | Magaly | i have x system |
| 15:48.11 | Magaly | yes |
| 15:48.12 | Magaly | xserver, xsfree, etc |
| 15:48.12 | Magaly | xfree |
| 15:49.55 | petro | well apt-get install x-window-system |
| 15:50.08 | Magaly | i have "radeon" driver and uninorth agp |
| 15:52.02 | petro | have you read the output when you run startx from the command line? |
| 15:52.51 | Magaly | when i run startx the system crash |
| 15:53.09 | petro | wow that sounds pretty bad, are you running testing? |
| 15:53.40 | Magaly | sid, debian sid with kernel 2.6.8 |
| 15:54.10 | petro | that is insane, I don't know what to tell you, I've never had that problem |
| 15:54.22 | Magaly | ah :-( |
| 15:54.35 | petro | you could try out Ubuntu |
| 15:55.21 | Magaly | i tried also and the same |
| 15:55.37 | petro | How new is the iBook? |
| 15:56.12 | Magaly | today |
| 15:58.44 | petro | He, can't beat that |
| 15:59.07 | petro | what kind of graphics card? |
| 15:59.22 | Magaly | ati radeon 9200 |
| 16:00.07 | petro | and when you run startx does it just freeze, segfault, give any output? |
| 16:00.46 | Magaly | freeze |
| 16:01.01 | Magaly | i can not change console |
| 16:01.09 | Magaly | anything more |
| 16:01.23 | petro | all black? |
| 16:02.49 | Magaly | yes |
| 16:05.41 | petro | C-A-D? |
| 16:05.45 | petro | ctrl-alt-del |
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| 16:35.43 | Bor_Ed | hmm, pantynet really ripped a new one now... some of the moron admins g-lined everyone :D |
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| 17:19.39 | noah_ | Is anyone talking? |
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| 17:21.37 | noah_ | Hey |
| 17:22.02 | davem | hi |
| 17:22.15 | noah_ | It looks like we are the only two in here! |
| 17:22.39 | thebug | no good can come of this ;) |
| 17:22.58 | davem | heh |
| 17:23.14 | noah_ | Oh, ok - cool! I'm just looking for someone who knows about kernel params for yaboot - having trouble getting OpenFirmware to play nice with multiple monitors |
| 17:25.47 | thebug | what does that have to do with OFW or yaboot? |
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| 17:27.34 | noah_ | If I dont pass "video=ofonly" OpenFirmware opens a white screen on all three monitors and then hangs. If I do pass "video=ofonly" OpenFirmware opens all three monitors, the kernel launches fine - but when XFree86 tries to drive the displays using the radeon driver I get so many artifacts the system is unusable. |
| 17:28.25 | noah_ | Oh, and the way I am doing this is editing /etc/yaboot.conf folowed by a 'ybin -v -v' |
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| 17:29.30 | theorbtwo | Somewhat OT question: On a g3 beige motherboard, which IDE connector is primary and which is secondary? |
| 17:29.57 | Bor_Ed | the one next to floppy (or was it scsi) is primari iirc |
| 17:30.16 | theorbtwo | SCSI. Thanks. |
| 17:30.40 | Bor_Ed | can't recall 100% sure, I haven't opened this box in ~a year |
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| 17:32.46 | noah_ | So, does anyone have any idea where I can find out more about kernel params? Like 'video=ofonly'? I can't seem to find any docs on google... :( |
| 17:32.58 | Bor_Ed | theorbtwo, beige g3 doesn't boot off from cd ... |
| 17:33.25 | Bor_Ed | noah_, linux source dir/Documentation subdir |
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| 17:34.53 | noah_ | I just installed debian and my /usr/src/ dir is empty. "locate src | grep -i linux" returns nothing too! |
| 17:35.24 | Bor_Ed | apt-get install kernel-source-2.6 ... or just check the docs online |
| 17:35.39 | theorbtwo | Hm, I have no mac floppy; how do I get anything up and running on it? |
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| 17:35.59 | Bor_Ed | theorbtwo, you can write the floppy images on the peecee too |
| 17:36.29 | theorbtwo | But how can I boot from them? |
| 17:36.43 | Bor_Ed | theorbtwo, with couple of floppies or from macos |
| 17:36.54 | Patrick` | Bor_Ed: I think he means his mac has no floppy drive |
| 17:37.08 | theorbtwo | Exactly, Patrick. Also, no OS at all. |
| 17:37.09 | Bor_Ed | ouchie... |
| 17:37.16 | Patrick` | bootable CD? |
| 17:37.23 | Bor_Ed | then install macos from cd and install linux from there |
| 17:37.40 | theorbtwo | I though beige G3s won't boot from CD? |
| 17:37.52 | Bor_Ed | it doesn't boot from non-mockos cds |
| 17:38.07 | theorbtwo | Ah. |
| 17:38.09 | Bor_Ed | os 9.1 boots just fine though (what I have here as backup when linux goes fubar) |
| 17:38.18 | theorbtwo | So I need a macos pre-panther CD. |
| 17:38.48 | Bor_Ed | pretty much, 7.5.3 is freely available from apple ftp site and the rest is for you to find (not legally available) |
| 17:39.06 | theorbtwo | Ah, that may be useful, thanks! |
| 17:39.16 | Bor_Ed | np |
| 17:39.42 | Patrick` | 7.5.3 is freely available in non-cd format :/ |
| 17:39.57 | Bor_Ed | that too... though I recall seeing cd images somewhere too |
| 17:39.58 | theorbtwo | (I may be able to skip debian completely, and install OSX with XPostFacto... the point of me getting the mac at all was to play with osx.) |
| 17:40.28 | Bor_Ed | you can run osx on it if you put in pci gfx adapter, the onboard ati isn't enough for osx |
| 17:40.29 | Patrick` | what's wrong with "borrowing" an OSX CD? |
| 17:40.35 | Patrick` | aah, it's old. |
| 17:40.55 | theorbtwo | I have a Panther CD, but Panther doesn't support the Beige. |
| 17:41.09 | thebug | if you get a Jaguar cd, you're good without XPostFacto |
| 17:41.09 | Bor_Ed | panther is 10.2 ? |
| 17:41.16 | thebug | 10.3 == Panther |
| 17:41.24 | Bor_Ed | ookay |
| 17:41.25 | thebug | Jaguar is 10.2 |
| 17:41.49 | Bor_Ed | I know the hyped one is tiger (right?) but that's about it |
| 17:41.54 | Curalton | .0 and .1 was what? |
| 17:42.00 | thebug | yep tiger is 10.4 |
| 17:42.07 | Curalton | .0 roadkill? :) |
| 17:42.09 | Bor_Ed | el sucko and da bomb Curalton :P |
| 17:42.10 | thebug | Curalton: stuff and stuff :) |
| 17:42.51 | theorbtwo | Jaguar |
| 17:42.57 | Curalton | hmz, cant be bothered to google now :P |
| 17:43.01 | Bor_Ed | 10.2.8 is latest officially supported on beige g3 |
| 17:43.13 | theorbtwo | Many thanks, guys. |
| 17:43.58 | Bor_Ed | hmm, g3 requires os8 as minimum... free download wouldn't work |
| 17:48.44 | bioterror | you guys need 750GX 1.1GHz CPU card ;) |
| 17:48.59 | thebug | indeed I could use one of those :) |
| 17:49.10 | Bor_Ed | I'd go fer 750fx but oh well |
| 17:49.16 | thebug | 350MHz G3 -> 1.1GHz would be nice |
| 17:49.36 | bioterror | and it works without propeller ;D |
| 17:50.03 | theorbtwo | Well, we're on a bit of a budget here. |
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| 17:50.15 | Bor_Ed | 750/233->750/fx/1250 would be decent upgrade too |
| 17:50.22 | theorbtwo | For which read we've already spent more then we should have. |
| 17:50.42 | theorbtwo | OTOH, we do have a propeller on it already, so might overclock. |
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| 18:32.42 | one_2_one | hi all |
| 18:33.57 | one_2_one | it makes a noise when i move mouse or when he acesses to HD |
| 18:34.23 | simonrvn | did you try what i suggested yesterday? |
| 18:34.25 | one_2_one | someone tell me something about this |
| 18:34.39 | simonrvn | it, not he, FYI |
| 18:34.57 | one_2_one | simonrvn, about alsa ? |
| 18:35.08 | simonrvn | alsamixer. turning the mic off |
| 18:35.17 | one_2_one | uhm |
| 18:35.23 | one_2_one | and how i do that ? |
| 18:35.45 | simonrvn | run alsamixer, and turn it off with spacebar iirc |
| 18:36.05 | one_2_one | debianxxx:~# alsamixer |
| 18:36.05 | one_2_one | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 18:36.51 | simonrvn | don't run alsa? you could tell me what kernel, etc., ;) |
| 18:37.06 | one_2_one | debianxxx:~# uname -a |
| 18:37.06 | one_2_one | Linux debianxxx 2.6.11.7 #1 Sun Apr 17 16:47:08 BST 2005 ppc GNU/Linux |
| 18:37.08 | one_2_one | ;) |
| 18:37.45 | simonrvn | build it yourself i presume? |
| 18:37.48 | one_2_one | yes |
| 18:37.49 | simonrvn | built* |
| 18:38.13 | simonrvn | what does grep SND /boot/config-$(uname -r) say? |
| 18:38.45 | one_2_one | 1sec |
| 18:39.55 | one_2_one | where i can paste |
| 18:40.02 | simonrvn | @paste |
| 18:40.02 | one_2_one | any link = |
| 18:40.05 | ravenbird | paste.length >= 3 ? `/join #flood' : `/say paste.msg', or paste your output at http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 18:40.17 | Patrick` | pasting? /whois paster |
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| 18:41.18 | one_2_one | http://channels.debian.net/paste/32 |
| 18:42.24 | simonrvn | built everything i see. you don't need all that, just CONFIG_SND_POWERMAC=y or =m |
| 18:42.36 | simonrvn | ok, do you have alsa-base installed? |
| 18:43.08 | one_2_one | letme check |
| 18:43.10 | simonrvn | and do a modprobe -r dmasound_pmac |
| 18:43.24 | simonrvn | modprobe -r soundcore |
| 18:43.34 | one_2_one | alsa-base is already the newest version. |
| 18:43.50 | one_2_one | FATAL: Module dmasound_pmac not found. |
| 18:44.03 | one_2_one | FATAL: Module soundcore not found. |
| 18:44.19 | simonrvn | is dmasound built at all? |
| 18:44.41 | one_2_one | sry im a linux boob :| |
| 18:45.14 | simonrvn | grep DMASOUND in that config |
| 18:45.15 | one_2_one | maybe i dont choose something on menuconfig |
| 18:45.48 | simonrvn | i'm asking because you shouldn't have it built-in if you have alsa as well. as a module it's ok though |
| 18:45.49 | one_2_one | debianxxx:~# grep DMASOUND /boot/config-2.6.11.7 |
| 18:45.49 | one_2_one | CONFIG_DMASOUND_PMAC=y |
| 18:45.49 | one_2_one | CONFIG_DMASOUND=y |
| 18:46.18 | simonrvn | you're going to have to rebuild that kernel and set both SND_POWERMAC and DMASOUND_* to =m |
| 18:46.42 | one_2_one | :) |
| 18:46.43 | one_2_one | k |
| 18:47.19 | one_2_one | thks for the help :) |
| 18:47.55 | simonrvn | np. then you can run this script: |
| 18:48.16 | simonrvn | /usr/share/alsa-base/snddevices |
| 18:48.24 | simonrvn | to make the alsa sound /dev files |
| 18:49.01 | one_2_one | after installed kerne l? |
| 18:49.24 | simonrvn | yeh, or now if you like, while you're waiting =) |
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| 18:51.01 | one_2_one | done |
| 18:51.18 | simonrvn | ok, now check ls -l /dev/snd/* |
| 18:51.27 | simonrvn | and ls -dl /dev/snd |
| 18:51.54 | one_2_one | debianxxx:~# ls -dl /dev/snd |
| 18:51.54 | one_2_one | drwxr-x--- 2 root audio 4096 2005-04-18 20:50 /dev/snd |
| 18:53.04 | simonrvn | probably ok, but if it doesn't work, then just do sudo chmod g+w /dev/snd |
| 18:53.48 | one_2_one | work what |
| 18:53.51 | one_2_one | ? |
| 18:54.21 | one_2_one | alsamixer ? |
| 18:55.34 | simonrvn | if you can't write to the files in /dev/snd |
| 18:56.05 | one_2_one | im as root |
| 18:56.07 | one_2_one | lol |
| 18:56.54 | simonrvn | um, don't do sound stuff as root. you should only do admin stuff as root |
| 18:57.03 | one_2_one | yes |
| 18:57.29 | one_2_one | but to compile an put this as 100% |
| 18:58.02 | one_2_one | i use root :) |
| 18:58.44 | one_2_one | on config |
| 18:58.56 | one_2_one | i dont find DMASOUND_* |
| 18:59.05 | one_2_one | only CONFIG_DMASOUND_PMAC=y |
| 18:59.05 | one_2_one | CONFIG_DMASOUND=y |
| 18:59.26 | one_2_one | iy that to put "m" ? |
| 18:59.30 | one_2_one | *is |
| 18:59.36 | simonrvn | don't use root to build things either, install fakeroot |
| 18:59.46 | simonrvn | yes, put that =m |
| 19:00.06 | simonrvn | * is a glob, meaning any/all/everything |
| 19:01.00 | one_2_one | *DMASOUND_* :P |
| 19:01.19 | one_2_one | # Sound |
| 19:01.19 | one_2_one | # |
| 19:01.19 | one_2_one | CONFIG_SOUND=y |
| 19:01.19 | one_2_one | CONFIG_DMASOUND_PMAC=m |
| 19:01.19 | one_2_one | CONFIG_DMASOUND=m |
| 19:01.36 | one_2_one | now build kernel ? |
| 19:02.00 | simonrvn | put SND_POWERMAC=m too |
| 19:02.05 | simonrvn | and turn off the others |
| 19:02.24 | one_2_one | # ALSA PowerMac devices |
| 19:02.24 | one_2_one | # |
| 19:02.24 | one_2_one | CONFIG_SND_POWERMAC=m |
| 19:02.32 | one_2_one | i have that in config |
| 19:02.40 | simonrvn | ok. cool, build away :) |
| 19:03.36 | one_2_one | m = modules ? |
| 19:04.17 | one_2_one | k |
| 19:04.24 | simonrvn | yes |
| 19:05.04 | one_2_one | built on kernel dont works better ? |
| 19:05.49 | simonrvn | it gives you options. like now, since your sound drivers are builtin, you have to rebuild |
| 19:06.25 | one_2_one | :| |
| 19:06.44 | one_2_one | i found a nice XF86 config |
| 19:06.47 | one_2_one | :D |
| 19:07.01 | one_2_one | for this mac :) |
| 19:07.38 | simonrvn | cool |
| 19:08.45 | one_2_one | i have to find a nice config to mplayer too |
| 19:08.46 | one_2_one | lol |
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| 22:29.10 | Q-FUNK | simonrvn: |
| 22:29.22 | simonrvn | yes? |
| 22:29.52 | Q-FUNK | did the 2.10 applets mess up your sound support? |
| 22:30.03 | simonrvn | nope |
| 22:30.15 | Q-FUNK | are you on alsa? |
| 22:30.21 | simonrvn | yup |
| 22:30.25 | Q-FUNK | ah |
| 22:30.29 | Q-FUNK | that explains it |
| 22:30.45 | simonrvn | applets need dmasound patching? |
| 22:31.26 | Q-FUNK | yup |
| 22:31.42 | simonrvn | hrm |
| 22:31.48 | Q-FUNK | the mixer applet and gnome-media use gstreamer-alsa for everything. |
| 22:31.57 | Q-FUNK | ...since 2.10 |
| 22:32.06 | simonrvn | isn't there an -oss one? |
| 22:32.15 | simonrvn | ah i see |
| 22:32.35 | simonrvn | hmm |
| 22:33.00 | Q-FUNK | heck, even the cd player in gnome-media tries to pump sound bites via gstreamer, since 2.10 |
| 22:33.13 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 22:33.30 | Q-FUNK | it no longer lets sound be played back via the cd driver's audio connectors. |
| 22:33.32 | simonrvn | i guess to cut down on the number of backend crap to use |
| 22:33.37 | simonrvn | oh. fuck |
| 22:33.58 | Q-FUNK | it tries to used cdda to directly access and playback the sound data |
| 22:34.11 | simonrvn | hehe, wtf |
| 22:34.49 | Q-FUNK | i filed a bug on gnome's bugzilla. no response. |
| 22:34.58 | simonrvn | ok |
| 22:35.18 | simonrvn | :/ |
| 22:35.32 | Q-FUNK | that was about 1 month ago, back when i tried the ubuntu packages. |
| 22:35.45 | simonrvn | oh |
| 22:36.06 | Q-FUNK | tonight, same problem as soon as i installed the alioth gnome-applets package. |
| 22:36.36 | simonrvn | sounds like the gnome team need to bug upstream |
| 22:36.51 | simonrvn | erm, "team" |
| 22:37.10 | Q-FUNK | they won't. it works for everyone on i386 and for most powerbook users. |
| 22:37.35 | simonrvn | i.e., for people with working alsa |
| 22:37.38 | Q-FUNK | it becomes yet another "i dunno, works here" case, |
| 22:37.46 | Q-FUNK | exactly |
| 22:38.16 | simonrvn | no movement on getting alsa working i presume? |
| 22:38.50 | Q-FUNK | very little. |
| 22:38.56 | simonrvn | too bad :/ |
| 22:39.18 | Q-FUNK | benh is doing a tad of cleaning up on newer soundchips, but that's all. |
| 22:39.37 | simonrvn | yeh, like the g5... |
| 22:39.43 | simonrvn | (desktop) |
| 22:40.06 | simonrvn | i get the feeling older boxen are getting left behind |
| 22:40.23 | Q-FUNK | g5 desktop, mac-mini, recent powerbooks... all stuff that controls sound via the i2c bus. |
| 22:40.27 | simonrvn | i mean even in kernel-level support |
| 22:40.32 | Q-FUNK | indeed |
| 22:41.00 | Q-FUNK | it's the vancouver proposal being applied to hardware, in a way. |
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| 22:41.26 | simonrvn | e.g., didn't get functional scsi support until 2.6.10, when they'd changed the scsi sub-layer |
| 22:41.44 | Q-FUNK | yup |
| 22:41.56 | simonrvn | they'd changed it in .8-.9, and didn't get fixed until .10.... |
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| 22:42.27 | Q-FUNK | 2.6 became a messy tree after 2.6.5 |
| 22:42.36 | simonrvn | um, big iron runs on FC, SATA, or SCSI. you'd think they'd have it working... |
| 22:42.52 | simonrvn | very much so. |
| 22:42.59 | Q-FUNK | actually, make that 2.6.4 |
| 22:43.14 | Q-FUNK | that was the last kernel that was spotless and quick. |
| 22:43.16 | simonrvn | do /msg dpkg kernel of instability and you'll get the details on why |
| 22:44.28 | simonrvn | i feel that it's going more towards what commercial interests want as support vs. leaving the older stuff to rot. it sucks. |
| 22:44.39 | simonrvn | s/vs./and/ |
| 22:44.54 | Q-FUNK | that's why a few friends went back to using 2.4 |
| 22:45.06 | simonrvn | i've considered it on and off |
| 22:45.28 | Q-FUNK | 2.4 with the lck patch is rather good |
| 22:45.36 | simonrvn | though it means patching like mad again... |
| 22:46.38 | simonrvn | it's stable on ppc ? |
| 22:47.05 | Q-FUNK | i don't think it's commercial interests as much as letting too many people rewrite huge subsystem chunks on a release kernel. |
| 22:48.20 | Q-FUNK | when there are massive architecture changes like this, drivers living under that subsystem tree must be rewriten... again. |
| 22:49.03 | Q-FUNK | at some point, some drivers never get rewritten, so some hardware support gets broken forever. |
| 22:49.05 | simonrvn | ...and again, and again.... |
| 22:49.30 | simonrvn | yeh, true. due to this policy: |
| 22:49.52 | simonrvn | "Linux 2.6. "Andrew's vision, as expressed at the summit, is that the mainline kernel will be the fastest and most feature-rich kernel around, but not, necessarily, the most stable. Final stabilization is to be done by distributors (as happens now, really)..." <http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/3513>, or http://kerneltrap.org/node/4793 (new 2.6 numbering scheme - proposal)" |
| 22:50.26 | Q-FUNK | argh |
| 22:50.29 | Q-FUNK | kill him |
| 22:50.54 | simonrvn | meh. i've emailed him on it, let him know that i wasn't happy about it, and i'm sure others aren't either... |
| 22:51.13 | simonrvn | ...said as much... |
| 22:51.18 | Q-FUNK | he broke the even/stable, odd/devel numbering scheme. bastard. |
| 22:51.45 | simonrvn | went back and forth for a few emails, came to naught, really. |
| 22:51.50 | simonrvn | yup, that too |
| 22:52.14 | Q-FUNK | now, any release is a rough WIP |
| 22:54.26 | simonrvn | though i was complaining of stability as in "damnit nothing fucking works, it crashes all the time" kind of stability gripes |
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| 22:55.13 | Q-FUNK | yes, that too. or debug messages spamming every available syslog channel on earth. on a release kernel. |
| 22:55.19 | simonrvn | 2.6 here is done under 2 hours |
| 22:55.33 | simonrvn | oh fuck. like atyfb for instance.... |
| 22:55.34 | one_2_one | :o |
| 22:55.47 | one_2_one | here i dont know |
| 22:55.50 | simonrvn | you have a lot of modules enabled |
| 22:56.00 | one_2_one | 350mhz :| |
| 22:56.06 | simonrvn | i trim it down to what i need/want |
| 22:56.09 | simonrvn | 300 here |
| 22:56.30 | Q-FUNK | i told you i personally e-mailed the devfb mailing list and reminded them to turn debug off whenever commiting to a release kernel? |
| 22:56.45 | simonrvn | no, but thank you :) |
| 22:56.57 | simonrvn | ok lilo... ;p |
| 22:57.15 | simonrvn | (wallops) |
| 22:57.15 | Q-FUNK | that was about 1 month ago right when 2.6.11 came out |
| 22:57.42 | simonrvn | ok |
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| 22:58.04 | Q-FUNK | of course, now, 2.6.12 will never come out due to the bitkeeper licensing problem... |
| 22:58.45 | simonrvn | it'll take forever until some RCS comes out / changed / patched to support what the k-hackers are used to with bk |
| 22:59.00 | simonrvn | it's gonna be a fucking mess until then |
| 22:59.03 | Q-FUNK | everyone warned Linus that thisl would happen one day but noooooooooooooooooooooooo, why would he listen? |
| 22:59.28 | simonrvn | because his friend sold him on it |
| 23:00.01 | Q-FUNK | that's why everyone wanted to use svn or good old cvs. no potential issue pitfall ever; free software. |
| 23:00.55 | simonrvn | yup. though not cvs. ugh. svn at the time was using bdb as a backend. ugh. at the time, unstable (now has fsfs, which is a lot more stable, and sane to use IMO) |
| 23:01.25 | simonrvn | but probably would've been done with cvs |
| 23:01.53 | simonrvn | *sigh* |
| 23:10.51 | one_2_one | cyas 2morrow & gn8 |
| 23:11.08 | simonrvn | g'night |