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00:53.49jniehofI can't get the sarge boot floppy to boot on a Powerbook G3 "Wall Street"--trying to boot straight just spits out the floppy, and boot fd2: in openfirmware gives a "DEFAULT CATCH!" error. Any ideas?
00:54.29Sphinxbuy a winblows machine :P
00:55.06CompBrain-_-
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00:59.17jniehoffunniest way of spelling "just keep running Debian on x86 and give up on this PPC thing" I've ever seen
00:59.32jniehofoh, drat, I'll miss him/her ;)
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01:05.39keenanis there any working java plugin for firefox on ppc?
01:05.58keenani tried out gcjwebplugin and it was disheartening
01:06.28keenanand i notice sun.com has a download for "linux platform" which is an x86 binary
01:06.50keenancuz linux isn't, like, a portable os or anything...
01:06.54keenanfucking sun
01:08.18Meastapheleshey guys does alien do src.rpms?
01:08.58Meastaphelesgot it
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05:22.22TweedleDumbanyone know how to get the vga-out conection on a dual usb ibook functioning?
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06:02.03TweedleDum1anyone know how to get the vga-out port on the dual usb ibook to work??
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08:45.55florzgmorning
08:50.54florzI'm trying to install some Debian on a Powermac 7200. So far the best thing I accomplished is booting the woody boot-floppy-hfs.img - however when trying to load the root disk, it prints lots of "swim3: expected cyl x, got y" messages. Any hints?! :-)
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12:49.04grayi try to boot linux from vxworks bootrom, but have problems..
12:49.35grayis this channel fit to me to get some informations?
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15:48.53TweedleDumbI dont know how to findo out how to get the vga-out port on a dual usb ibook to work... anyone?
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16:35.43simonrvnTweedleDumb: google works
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17:21.43CompBrainlol
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17:28.52noah_Does anyone know if it is possible to get Apple's 30" Cinema Display working under debian without any non-free drivers?
17:29.07chimaerahi. not exactly debianppc related, but is there a way to disable the chime playing when turning on a powerbook?
17:29.31noah_Maybe an OF issue?
17:30.00chimaeranoah_: OF?
17:30.06noah_OpenFirmware
17:30.20noah_I don't know though... :S
17:30.53chimaeraah, well it must be, because it also plays with debian's bootloader installed..
17:31.26CompBrainchimaera: I have a quick fix, its a headphone cord - the cord
17:31.31CompBrainJust leave it plugged in :D
17:31.43noah_Thinking about it - Im unsure though... maybe just hardwired?
17:32.02CompBrainI've not put in the time to find a software fix
17:32.07chimaeraCompBrain: the problem is that at the and of that cord is ma ypmlifier which makes it very annoying ;)
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17:32.10CompBrainso, the cheap and dirty hardware soloution works fine
17:32.11CompBrainheh
17:32.17CompBrainchimaera: Yea, i hear ya
17:32.57chimaeraerr, xorg6.8.2 is catching sig11.
17:33.02noah_Does anyone know if the nVidia card apple sells would work with a vanila debian install?
17:33.09CompBrainNot suer
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17:33.41noah_Has nVidia got a good/bad track record with gnu/linux
17:33.56simonrvngenerally bad
17:33.57chimaerafurrywolf_: there is more than one. but originally, greek mythology, anyone?
17:34.01Bor_Edno nvidia support at all on non-x86
17:34.07noah_A Chimaera is a lion with pegasus wings isn't it? (or something?)
17:34.14chimaeranoah_: jepp..
17:34.18simonrvnxorg not supported here
17:34.20furrywolf_if you use x86, they have a usable closed-source kernel-tainting driver.  if you don't use x86, they tell you to sod off.
17:34.23noah_chimaera: jepp?
17:34.28chimaerasimonrvn: i though so.
17:34.32chimaeranoah_: yes.
17:34.43noah_chimaera: What does that mean?
17:34.47CompBrainanyone have luck changing the videocard in a powermac G4?
17:35.19noah_Bor_Ed: How do you know there is no suport on non x86? What does that mean?
17:35.40furrywolf_noah:  their driver is CLOSED SOURCE.  you get a binary.  the binary is x86.
17:35.56noah_So no chance it would work on my PowerMac G5?
17:36.25furrywolf_you can use the built-in driver rather than nvidia's, but depending on the card, you'll only get some/no acceleration.
17:37.09noah_furrywolf_: I don't realy care about accel... just that I can use it without having to add "contrib" or "non-free" to my sources.list ;)
17:37.11Bor_Ednoah_, closed source x86/linux driver is only driver available for nvidia
17:38.08noah_My ATI Radeon cards are usable with debians free "radeon" driver - I was just hoping for some compatible driver for the nVidia card
17:38.45Bor_Edno such luck... nvidia doesn't give any specs to FOSS
17:38.52furrywolf_if you want the card to work well, send them an email telling them to release the source code to the driver.
17:38.58noah_FOSS?
17:38.58chimaerasetting UseFBDev to true is probably a bad idea.
17:39.06Bor_Edfree/opensource software
17:39.29noah_Aah... I prefere the term "free"
17:40.17Bor_Ed'free' can mean loads of things...
17:40.44furrywolf_the nvidia driver is "free".  as in, you don't have to pay to use it.  it is not, however, free in any other meaning of the word.
17:41.32noah_I prefere "free" as in speech - "free" as in beer is an unfortunate alternate meaning
17:42.56noah_Are there any good cards for someone obsesed with free software as I am? ;)
17:43.10furrywolf_noah:  nope.
17:43.25furrywolf_I've heard VESA support, at least on x86, is free...  :P
17:44.00Bor_EdLOL, VESA support on $800 card... woohoo
17:44.17noah_Surley there must be *some* video cards with good free drivers? Arn't some manufacturers good at opening there drivers to the comunity?
17:44.32furrywolf_noah:  I've yet to hear of any.
17:44.36Bor_Edati radeon9200 has good support and is pretty fast
17:44.47Bor_Edand no, I don't have such :I
17:44.49furrywolf_aren't the ati drivers also closed-source x86 only?
17:45.21noah_My Radeon 9600 works fine with debian's vanila "radeon" driver - and no non-free software in sight! :D
17:45.28Bor_Edfurrywolf_, nope, up to r250 they're included on kernel and r300 and newer ones work with r300.sf.net
17:46.27furrywolf_noah:  good for you.  /me is stuck with nvidia.  :(
17:46.48noah_Confused... stuck how?
17:46.52CompBrainI want to replace my OEM ati card with a 7000, but the Mac wont boot with it
17:47.00furrywolf_all three modern graphics cards I have are nvidia.
17:47.15furrywolf_I do a lot og graphics work, and can't live without acceleration.
17:47.18noah_I also have a Radeon 7000 which works fine
17:47.29CompBrainMy mac wont POST with it
17:47.39CompBrainIf i take out the one that came with the machine it freaks
17:47.45noah_POST? excuse me...
17:47.50CompBraindings and dongs out the wazoo
17:48.01furrywolf_no acceleration = delay between tablet input and appearance on screen = unpleasant
17:48.47noah_Does anyone know if the new 23" Cinema Display from Apple would work with my Radeon 9600?
17:49.00furrywolf_if you wish to buy me a nice dual-head radeon card so I don't need to use my nvidia cards, you're more than welcome to.  :)
17:49.39noah_Why cant you buy a Radeon 9600 - thats dual head and works nice with Debian
17:50.39furrywolf_I can't even pay the phone bill, much less buy new toys.
17:50.45noah_;)
17:50.57furrywolf_oh, and they closed my paypal account, so I can't use ebay anymore, as half the sellers now only accept paypal.
17:51.21noah_paypal is shit
17:52.10noah_Is there any reason the new displays wouldn't work with my radeon? I have the old displays at the moment
17:52.26furrywolf_paypal is _required_ to use ebay now.  haven't you noticed the "paypal account required" notice beneath the "bid now" button on half the items?  or the "immediate payment required" notice on buy-it-now that requires you to pay with paypal immediately to buy the item?
17:53.00noah_I usualy only bid on items when I can do a wire-transfer
17:54.45furrywolf_half the items you _can't_ bid on without a paypal account.  ebay won't let you.
17:55.24noah_Bolocks to ebay - paypal is a scam operation anyway.
17:56.02noah_They have the right to simply suspend you account and seize your funds at any moment with no explanation or way to chalenge them
17:56.12noah_... and they do it more than you would imagine
17:56.18furrywolf_you mean like they've done to me?  :P
17:56.25noah_exactly!
17:56.35furrywolf_I can't withdraw the balance from my account nor use it to pay people
17:56.51noah_It's rare you will get any of it back either
17:57.11furrywolf_or how about the SIX times I've tried filing buyer-protection claims, and have gotten $0 back?
17:58.10noah_I have a question...
17:58.16furrywolf_cordless drill, never showed, paypal doesn't care.  ultra harness 2000 female, never showed up, paypal doesn't care.  car jumpstarter+inverter unit, showed up in 6,000 pieces, obviously packed that way, paypal doesn't care.  box of valves arrived with 3 instead of 50, paypal doesn't care.  get the idea?
17:58.37noah_I want to sell some items on ebay... let me list them
17:59.12noah_Twin 17" Apple Studio Displays, Twin display adapters, Radeon 7000 Dual head card
17:59.26noah_How much would you imagine those items selling for?
17:59.33furrywolf_paypal stole ~$2000 from someone I knew...
18:00.01furrywolf_dunno what they'd sell for, but I'll give you every cent I have (about $20) to ship them my way.  :P
18:00.15noah_erm.... let me get back to you on that! ;)
18:00.52furrywolf_are those flatscreens or crts?
18:00.53noah_Thing is see - I've just installed Debain and I can only get XFree86 to "see" my primary display - after 4 days of tinkering I think I have given up
18:01.21noah_http://www.flickr.com/photos/68314911@N00/
18:01.30chimaerais there  a quick hint how to get a trackpad of a current powerbook G4 working?
18:01.46noah_But those images are from when I had OS X installed... :(
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18:02.05furrywolf_you have too much money.  I could never afford something like that.  :(
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18:02.40noah_Yeah... but it's not so great when GNU/Linux can only drive on of them. :(
18:02.50noah_s/on/one/
18:02.52furrywolf_it should be able to use all of them...
18:02.59furrywolf_I've seen tripple-head setups before
18:03.31noah_I can't get XFree86 to "see" the left and right... it crashes everytime - or just goes funny and sticks all three screens on the center display
18:03.42furrywolf_hrmm
18:03.55furrywolf_tried compiling the very latest sources yourself or something?
18:04.05noah_No... why?
18:04.21noah_I have tried pointing to testing and unstable - no change
18:04.24furrywolf_because if it's a bug, they might have fixed it.  :)
18:04.46noah_I am more than reluctant to use anything but apt-get for this kind of stuff
18:04.52furrywolf_I have a pair of 17" CRTs, one of which is dark, the other which blinks randomly.  can't afford anything else.
18:05.00noah_:(
18:05.53noah_Is there any reason one of the newer displays wouldn't work on my Radeon?
18:06.01furrywolf_not that I know of.
18:06.10furrywolf_unless they're digital and you only have analog or something
18:06.54noah_Nah... just thinking see...
18:07.25noah_If I REALY can't get XFree86 to work nice with all three - I may as well sell them all on ebay and splash out one big one
18:08.02noah_I was thinking about the 30" - but it needs the NVIDIA GeForce 6800 Ultra and if there are no "free" drivers then it's out of the question
18:08.30noah_The whole reason I have debian on my mac is because I wanted a "free" operating system
18:08.36noah_also, apt rocks!
18:08.52furrywolf_brb, phone
18:09.13noah_Does anyone know when X.org will be available via the debian repos? (i.e. apt-get)
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18:17.32noah_;)
18:18.00furrywolf_it's not funny.  I can't even pay the bills, and other people are buying tripple lcd screens.
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18:28.31simonrvni can pay the bills, but that's about it
18:29.32furrywolf_I work my ass off on roofs in rain, snow, hail, etc, and can't pay the bills...
18:42.21simonrvn:(
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19:00.01furrywolf_*PerfDave* I'm not interested in talking to kiddy-fiddlers.
19:00.29Petroumm, did I come in at a wrong moment?
19:00.34furrywolf_sigh.  whoever spreads things like that about furries needs to be clubbed...
19:00.47furrywolf_petro:  nope.  I'm just being offtopic, as always.  :)
19:01.07Petrolol, ok no problem
19:04.24furrywolf_just yet another person who has no clue what furry is insulting furs...
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19:06.54furrywolf_"I have no clue what (insert minority) is, but I've heard some wild rumors, so I hate them and want them to disappear"
19:07.47PetroI actually haven't heard any rumors about furries to be quite honest, but they sure do sound furry.
19:08.05furrywolf_heh
19:08.26furrywolf_this one seems to think furry == paedophile.  even though I've never met, talked to, or even heard of a paedophile furry.
19:09.09PetroI have heard about pedophile furries on the other hand
19:09.28furrywolf_actual examples, or more rumors and/or false media balony?
19:10.33furrywolf_I used to be president of a furry group, and never met or heard of one...
19:10.57furrywolf_sure, they probably exist somewhere, but it's more likely to be "paedophiles who happen to be furry" than anything else.
19:11.18furrywolf_lol
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19:39.20chimaerais there a (simple) way to get the trackpad od current powerbook G4's working?
19:40.05Petrood?
19:40.16chimaeras/od/of/
19:40.44Petroah, gotcha
19:40.56Petrosorry, only iBook here
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19:48.14chimaeraok, a last one for linux-on-ppc for today: how can i remove yaboot so OF boots directly into OS X?
19:49.55Petroboot from a livecd and delete the bootstrap partition
19:50.39chimaeraso OF will always boot the 1st available (bootable?) partition by default?
19:51.42Petroyes sir
19:52.32chimaeraah, thanks. but IIRC, when installing debian, the installer didn't display the HFS+ as bootable.. mh.
19:52.37Petroyou could even choose it to boot from the system prefrences, just click on the Mac OS X partition (startup disk)
19:52.46Petrodon't worry about it
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19:57.54chimaeracfdisk doesn't find any partitions.. strange.
19:59.24TweedleDumbim using m3mirror on an ibook2 to use vga-out.  It works perfectly in 2.6.11.7 after a kernel patch but not with X, what would I have to do to mirror the lcd in X?
20:00.27Petrouse either parted or mac-fdisk (parted is better)
20:00.56PetroTweedleDumb: I can't even figure that out on Mac OS X
20:01.40TweedleDumboh... well in macosx that would be under the display section of the preferences app
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20:02.08PetroTweedleDumb: and this works for any display?
20:02.23TweedleDumbI don't know, I would assume so
20:02.50PetroI tried but the second screen was just black :/
20:03.15TweedleDumbPetro: darn, I have never tried in OSX
20:04.07PetroMy external LCD wasn't much bigger than my iBook's so I didn't insist, I just assumed I had missed a step
20:04.07pahartikTweedleDumb: build "xserver-xfree86-dri-trunk"
20:06.42pahartikTweedleDumb: or then not (i am using it on iBook G4, external monitor as additional workspace)
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20:10.42TweedleDumbpahartik: why build it?  shouldnt i be able to use it by adding sections to XF86config-4?
20:12.38pahartikTweedleDumb: at least my iBook G4 required it to get both display devices up at the same time
20:13.08TweedleDumbpahartik: do i uninstall the X i have now first?
20:13.22pahartikTweedleDumb: no
20:13.50TweedleDumbpahartik: did you need to reconfigure your XF86config-4 file too?
20:14.20TweedleDumbpahartik: are you using m3mirror also?
20:14.25pahartikTweedleDumb: yes, configuration file also needed touching
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20:27.02TweedleDumbpahartik: apt-get source xserver-xfree86-dri-trunk
20:27.17TweedleDumbpahartik: does not work, where should i get it from?
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20:44.34chimaerahas anyone been able to check out johannes' latest appletrackpad drivers? i just get an errors using tla telling me that the checksum file is invalid..
20:44.44chimaerahttp://johannes.sipsolutions.net/PowerBook/touchpad/driver
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22:46.00TweedleDumbpahartik:do you know where I can get the source for xserver-xfree86-dri-trunk?
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23:04.30furrywolf_too much stupidity in #debian
23:05.16dj-deathtoo much x86 ? ;)
23:05.32furrywolf_<grendal_prime> again... furrywolf DUDE you totally rock.....the TWO LINES OF HELP WAS AMAZING!!!
23:05.36furrywolf_I should save that one.  :)
23:06.51furrywolf_too much arguing
23:07.14dj-deathheheh
23:07.47Petrohey, at least it isn't as bad as the 1337 gent0o channel
23:07.48furrywolf_should make it a redirect to #flamewars or something...
23:08.32Petro#flamewars doesn't exit
23:08.38PetroI just checked
23:08.44furrywolf_lol
23:08.59furrywolf_I'm sure if you made the ircd send everyone in #debian there it would exist just fine.  :P
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23:44.20keenanlooks like i just hosed my root fs on my powerbook 3400
23:45.25keenanso, can't boot from hard drive, can't boot from cd, don't have a floppy drive...
23:47.35keenanhmm, maybe i can boot this netbsd cd...

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