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02:52.13furrywolf_simon:  think I should leave some CDs on top of my speakers for the fun of it?  :P
02:56.34simonrvnheh
02:57.08jrrmy gnumeric package seems stuck.  it hangs on remove or upgrade.
02:57.24furrywolf_jrr:  if it's stuck, try some WD-40.
02:57.34jrri'm not sure that will agree with my hard drive
02:57.51simonrvnesp. if it's silent bearings ;p
02:58.08furrywolf_heh
02:58.23jrri need a dpkg --delete-everything-associated-with
02:58.28jrr--remove isn't cutting it
02:59.20simonrvndpkg --force-help. and be very careful
03:07.38jrr--force-help controls behavior when a problem is found, but i fear dpkg isn't finding my problem
03:09.17simonrvnyeh, ok, ignore me. whatever
03:09.32jrrno no i tried it
03:09.51jrrdpkg --remove gnumeric --force-all //still hangs
03:10.52jrrit seems to chill out during the execution of /var/lib/dpkg/info/gnumeric.prerm
03:13.05jrrwhich calls gconftool-2 a couple times inside a loop, >'ing to /dev/null
03:14.07jrri tried changing that to see any output, but there's none. i'm official stumped.
03:14.14jrr*officially
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03:19.20jrrthat --force-all syntax is wrong, as it's trying to remove the package '--force-all' after i ctrl+c the gnumeric remove
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03:22.34jrrwell, i made it work.  i ran one of the uninstallation sripts as root.
03:25.47simonrvngood. sometimes you have to do some fancy hacking to fix things :/
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10:14.38Nodahello can any1 here help me put debain on my 64k mac
10:27.21nuactually its called debian
10:37.20Noda?
10:37.27Nodao sorry
10:37.30Nodatypo
10:37.34Nodacan yoi help ?
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12:06.47pahartikNoda: define "64k mac"
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14:16.56Bor_Edpahartik, I'd guess m68k based one... :o
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17:01.58Bor_Edari@g3:~$ /usr/bin/mozilla: line 75: syntax error near unexpected token `elif'
17:01.58Bor_Ed/usr/bin/mozilla: line 75: `elif [ "$MOZILLA_DSP" = "none" ];then'
17:02.09Bor_Edafter dist-upgrade ... any quick&dirty fix for that ?
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17:05.56brunohow to compile mol-modules-source in order to run mol when using kernel-image-2.6.11-powerpc ?
17:07.15Bor_Edyou get the source and compile and instlal it as usual
17:07.39pahartikBor_Ed: try to comment that line out?
17:07.52Bor_Edpahartik, did that... no go
17:07.58Bor_EdI'll try --purge --reinstall
17:08.31brunothat means I need to recompile the kernel too (kernel-images-2.6.11-powerpc comes from debian archive not one of my compilation)
17:09.04Bor_Edbruno, you don't need to recompile the kernel
17:09.52pahartikBor_Ed: it is just damn Bourne Shell wrapper script...
17:10.04Bor_Edpahartik, I know
17:12.08brunoBor_Ed, I have installed mol-modules-source kernel-build-2.6.11-powerpc kernel-build-2.6.11-powerpc, what have I to do next (I want to use kernel-package to have a deb package of mol-modules BTW)
17:12.35bruno<PROTECTED>
17:12.54Bor_Edbruno, can't help on that... I compiled the mol-modules-source traditionally when I checked the mol
17:14.19simonrvnBor_Ed: bug may have been filed on that (mozilla puking)
17:14.42Bor_Edsimonrvn, well I have no way to check currently, thanks to moz packager :P
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17:20.01simonrvndon't have a text browser there?
17:20.27simonrvnquerybts mozilla-browser
17:20.31Bor_EdI'll install links2 again when I get the --purge reinstall done
17:20.33simonrvnin a term
17:20.59al_bug #305246 i'd say
17:21.51al_fixed in http://incoming.debian.org/mozilla-browser_1.7.7-2_powerpc.deb
17:22.19simonrvnfixed in -2
17:22.25Bor_Edwgetting
17:30.15furrywolf_hopefully you can't log into them _because_ they have lynx installed.  :P
17:31.07pahartik...installed...
17:34.47pahartikfurrywolf_: if i am administrator, it means Lynx is installed
17:40.30Bor_Edcheers al_, moz runs now with mozilla-browser and libnspr4 taken from incoming
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19:27.26Oryndoes anyone have sencable values for sync ranges for a crt imac for X?
19:27.49misfitx7*sensible
19:27.56Orynwhatever
19:28.11misfitx7sorry, i dont use an imac
19:28.18misfitx7i cant help you out
19:28.43Orynhmm maybe I'll boot back to macos
19:29.17misfitx7google it
19:29.33misfitx7and check the mailing lists
19:29.40pahartikOryn: you have my permission
19:29.40misfitx7very helpful
19:30.01Orynpahartik: to do what?
19:30.42misfitx7anyone here use a powerbook? im having an issue with pbbuttonsd not waking up, well it wakes up but doesnt bring back the display
19:36.23Orynhmm 75hz seems to work
19:45.49simonrvnOryn: www.dotfiles.com
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20:12.03chimaerahi. anyone had any luck with the trackpad of current powerbooks?
20:12.06chimaerai've been pointed to http://johannes.sipsolutions.net/PowerBook/touchpad/driver but can't checkout the driver..
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20:19.44one_2_onehi all :)
20:20.09edward__hi
20:20.36one_2_onei want to run some apps from other user in root
20:20.48one_2_onebut he say unable to connect to x server
20:21.15one_2_oneusing xhost +
20:21.29one_2_onecannot connect to X server
20:21.32one_2_one:s
20:21.57Bor_Edsu -c'app'
20:22.04Bor_Edor sudo app
20:22.13bruno_one_2_one,  try looking on X is launched, generally the -nolisten tcp is set
20:22.48one_2_onethks Bor_Ed :)
20:22.59Bor_Ed:)
20:22.59one_2_onebruno_,  :)
20:24.35bruno_oops did not read the question well (time to sleep :)
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20:59.21OmnifluxI have burned the sid businesscard installer to cd, but when I issue 'dir cd:,\' in openfirmware, I get 'bad partition number, using 0DIR method failed'. If I do the same thing with my debian amd64 boot cd, I get a directory listing. Any suggestions?
21:00.20OmnifluxUmm...Open Firmware is version 2.0, if that helps
21:01.31Curaltongrub is not like openfirmware
21:02.10OmnifluxI don't expect it is. I meant if I put the amd64 cd in the powermac, the openfirmware dir listing lists the files on the cd
21:02.52Omnifluxinstead of giving me an error
21:05.05Curaltonah, i see what you are trying to do. maybe the cddrive doesnt know how to read a mini-cd?
21:05.31Curaltonalso i dont know what FS apart from hfs(+) ofirmware supports
21:05.41OmnifluxI burned it to a full size cd.
21:05.58Curaltonow
21:06.07Curaltonand that CD mounts fine from where you burned it?
21:06.19Omnifluxopenfirmware cannot boot from hfs(+) is my understanding, only iso-9660 and ms-dos
21:06.28Omnifluxyes
21:07.13Curaltonit can boot from hfs, all mac CDs are hfs
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21:07.54Curaltonand why would a mac still support dos?
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21:08.42Curaltondos/fat fs
21:09.15OmnifluxI don't know. It's what the NetBSD install faq says, which is what all the linux install instructions point me to
21:10.28Curaltonah, so in the end you want to boot netbsd?
21:10.36Curaltonnewworld mac?
21:10.48Omnifluxoldworld
21:11.05Omnifluxno, but that is the only place I can find openfirmware instructions
21:11.36Curaltonit doesnt boot the cd directly? sorry im a bit rough about oldworld stuff
21:11.42Omnifluxno :(
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21:12.40simonrvnwell there's one class of mac ppc that doesn't support hybrid cds which those are i *think*, and some that don't. i can't remember which is which though. sourdough could say, or someone else
21:13.18Omnifluxah...not doubt it's this one :)
21:19.31Omnifluxthat's it. open firmware 1.0.5 and 2.0.x cannot boot from hybrid format discs
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21:19.57OmnifluxIs there an ISO only image somewhere?
21:25.03simonrvniso-9960 is the format of the filesystem for those. there's "sub-fses" some of which hfs(+) and fat could be present. you don't boot from iso-9960 per se.
21:25.21simonrvns/9960/9660/g
21:26.22Omnifluxumm...ok...I don't understand
21:26.28OmnifluxThe NetBSD FAQ says:
21:26.30OmnifluxOpen Firmware 1.0.5 and 2.0.x machines will not boot from the ISO9660 file system if you create a hybrid HFS/ISO format CD-R. Make sure that the CD only has ISO9660 data and does not have an Apple Partition Map.
21:29.53simonrvnyes. but this is irrelevant to linux anyway. it won't boot
21:30.03simonrvn@dict irrelevant
21:30.21ravenbirdDictionary 'irrelevant' (1 of 2): adrift, alien, back-burner, beside the mark, beside the point, beside the question, dinky, dispensable, extraneous, extrinsic, foreign, gratuitous, ill-adapted, ill-assorted, ill-chosen, ill-considered, ill-fitted, ill-matched, ill-seasoned, ill-sorted, ill-suited, ill-timed, immaterial, impertinent, improper, inadmissible, ...
21:31.36simonrvnok, just checking my spelling :)
21:31.45Omnifluxlinux is irrelevant at this point. openfirmware 2 will not read a hybrid cd to load a bootloader
21:32.26simonrvnyou don't get it. those machines will not boot a linux cd. period.
21:33.07Omnifluxer...why not?
21:33.33Curaltoncould they boot a linux.bin + initrd from a local hfs volume?
21:34.35simonrvnbootx doesn't grok initrds
21:35.36simonrvnOmniflux: several reasons i don't have time to get into right now
21:36.14Omnifluxok
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21:58.18OmnifluxCan they boot a linux floppy?
21:58.54simonrvnyes
21:59.14Omnifluxok
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22:12.27new_bornhi, I installed debian on my imac yesterday and now I would like to connect it to the internet by using the starmodem adsl usb modem which I have at home
22:12.35new_bornanyone can help me please?
22:12.57one_2_oneuhm
22:13.00one_2_onewhat modem ?
22:13.48new_bornaethra starmodem
22:14.07new_bornI've read some tutorials
22:14.10one_2_onedo you installed drivers
22:14.16one_2_one?
22:14.40one_2_onei have a adsl usb modem too
22:14.47one_2_onebut is siemens santis :)
22:14.57new_bornI think my main problem is
22:15.02new_bornI downloaded drivers
22:15.18new_bornbut I need to copy them on to that computer now
22:15.26new_bornI have them on this one
22:16.10one_2_onecd ,zip
22:16.36new_born?
22:16.53new_bornI've copied the drivers on a cd
22:16.57new_bornbut now?
22:16.58one_2_one:)
22:17.03one_2_oneah
22:17.05new_bornsorry for silly questions
22:17.07one_2_oneinstall it
22:17.10one_2_one:)
22:17.27new_bornok I tried to follow the instructions of a tutorial which said
22:17.32one_2_onek
22:17.46new_borncd
22:17.51new_bornthen the name of the file
22:18.02new_bornthen the directory in which to copy it
22:18.07one_2_onedo you can acess to cd »?
22:18.13new_bornyes
22:18.17new_bornI think so
22:18.28one_2_onethe drivers
22:18.33new_bornhow can I check if I can access the cd?
22:18.40one_2_oneare in .gz .bz2 ?
22:18.56one_2_oneor other
22:19.11new_born.deb
22:19.18one_2_onenice
22:19.21one_2_onebut
22:19.30one_2_onecan you paste here
22:19.39one_2_onethe name o the all file
22:19.49one_2_one*the name of the file
22:20.23one_2_oneto install that  dpkg -i  file.deb
22:20.43one_2_oneif is for ppc
22:21.10new_borneciadsl-usermode_0.10-1_powerpc.deb
22:21.23one_2_oneahh
22:21.24one_2_one:)
22:21.35one_2_onelike the drivers i use
22:21.37one_2_one:)
22:21.40new_born:)
22:22.01one_2_onecd    "to folder where is that file"
22:22.02one_2_oneand
22:22.11one_2_onedpkg -i eciadsl-usermode_0.10-1_powerpc.deb
22:22.14one_2_onethen
22:22.26one_2_oneeciadsl-config-tk
22:22.32new_bornI'll try now
22:22.33one_2_oneusing gui :)
22:22.45new_bornI hope I manage
22:22.50new_bornthanks
22:22.54new_bornlet's see
22:22.55one_2_onenp
22:25.28OmnifluxThe debian docs refer to boot-floppy-hfs.img, but I cannot find this in d-i. Does is have a different name now?
22:26.04OmnifluxI cannot boot off of boot.img
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22:29.25simonrvnOmniflux: no such creature. use boot.bin, root.bin, and one of net- or cd-drivers.bin
22:29.48Omnifluxit spits the disk out when I start with boot.bin
22:30.03simonrvnthen re-do it
22:30.18simonrvnfresh floppy, fresh download if need be
22:30.21Omnifluxok
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22:34.24Omnifluxstill no
22:34.58Omnifluxthe floppy looks empty in mac os
22:35.06Omnifluxis that normal?
22:36.48misfitx7bad image
22:37.03misfitx7what distro are you trying to install
22:37.10Omnifluxdebian
22:37.12misfitx7i mean
22:37.16Omnifluxrc3
22:37.18misfitx7sarge or woody?
22:37.36Omnifluxsarge, if I can get that far
22:37.45misfitx7i had better luck with installing woody
22:37.54misfitx7from floppies
22:38.03misfitx7then upgrading to sarge
22:38.03OmnifluxI'll try that then
22:38.32misfitx7i also used bootx as a boot loader
22:38.38misfitx7very easy
22:39.06new_bornone_2_one: I manage to do one step
22:39.11new_bornmaybe
22:40.17one_2_oneuhm
22:40.41one_2_onesry about my english
22:40.48one_2_one"manage" ?
22:41.27new_bornmanaged
22:41.29new_bornsorry
22:41.43new_bornI mean I extracted the drivers
22:41.47new_bornbut then
22:41.48one_2_oneyes
22:42.10new_bornthe rest
22:42.15new_borndoesn't work
22:42.23new_born:(
22:42.27one_2_oneuhm
22:42.46one_2_onedpkg -i eciadsl-usermode_0.10-1_powerpc.deb
22:43.00one_2_oneinstalled fine ?
22:43.38one_2_onethen
22:43.47one_2_one<PROTECTED>
22:43.52new_bornah ok
22:43.57new_bornI'll try again
22:44.26one_2_onethen startmodem
22:44.27one_2_one:)
22:45.01one_2_onebut maybe wil will have an problem
22:45.15one_2_one*you will
22:45.20new_bornhey
22:45.24new_bornit works
22:45.27new_bornit seems to
22:45.32one_2_onewhat
22:45.34one_2_one?
22:45.53new_bornthe configuration :)
22:45.56one_2_one:)
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22:49.11Omnifluxwoody's boot-floppy-hfs works fine. d-i's boot.img does not :(
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22:54.22one_2_onenew_born,  configuration done ?
22:56.13Omnifluxahhh!!! VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 01:00
22:56.46OmnifluxIt's enough to make me want to through old hardware away! ;)
23:01.31new_bornone_2_one: I am stuck at a very stupid problem I thinl
23:01.35new_bornthink
23:01.46one_2_onewhat problem
23:01.48one_2_one?
23:02.04new_bornI have no idea of how to write the "@" with this keyboard
23:02.14new_bornto type in my user name
23:02.25one_2_oneyah
23:02.29one_2_oneloooooooooooooooooool
23:02.38one_2_oneshift+apple+2
23:02.46one_2_oneapple+2
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23:02.52one_2_onego trying
23:03.06new_bornshift+2
23:03.08new_born:)
23:03.10new_bornthanks
23:03.22new_bornit was such a stupid question
23:03.28new_bornthat I was ashamed to ask
23:03.36one_2_onenp
23:04.06one_2_onebrb
23:04.12new_bornok
23:07.50OmnifluxThanks, Curalton, simonrvn, misfitx7!
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23:34.29new_bornone_2_one: I configured the modem but it doesn't work anyway..
23:34.40new_bornbut I think I'll go get some sleep now
23:34.54new_bornand try to complete installation tomorrow
23:35.32new_bornthanx anyway.. I almost configured everything needed
23:35.42new_bornand it wasn't too difficult
23:36.17one_2_onenew_born,  hy
23:36.31one_2_onenew_born,  are u there?
23:37.07one_2_onewhat it says after "startmodem" ?
23:38.51one_2_onek
23:38.56one_2_onecya 2morrow
23:40.04new_bornhey
23:40.08new_bornI'm still here
23:40.08one_2_one:)
23:40.17one_2_one<PROTECTED>
23:40.21new_bornit says something like
23:40.25new_bornstep one is ok
23:40.29new_bornthen step 2
23:40.35new_bornsays no modem detected
23:40.41new_bornor something like that
23:40.44one_2_oneah
23:40.53new_bornnow I don't remember exactly
23:40.54one_2_onedisconnect from usb the modem
23:40.55new_born:(
23:41.04new_bornand try again?
23:41.05one_2_oneand connect
23:41.11one_2_oneand after
23:41.13one_2_onestartmodem
23:41.18new_bornah
23:41.26new_bornfirst connect?
23:41.28new_bornhow?
23:41.48one_2_one1 disconnect usb cable
23:41.53one_2_onefrom mac
23:42.00one_2_one2 put it again
23:42.05one_2_one3 startmodem
23:42.36new_bornI tried it..
23:42.38new_bornbefore
23:42.47new_bornit didn't seem to work
23:42.50one_2_oneand what it says ?
23:42.57new_bornalways the same
23:43.00new_bornanyway
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23:43.08new_bornI'll try again tomorrow
23:43.22one_2_oneeciadsl-doctor
23:43.27new_bornah
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23:43.47new_bornI have already shut down my mac
23:43.54new_bornso I'll see tomorrow
23:43.56one_2_oneand tell me if  HDLC support is OK
23:43.58one_2_onek
23:44.03new_bornthank you anyway
23:44.03one_2_onecya 2morrow
23:44.06new_bornbye
23:44.06one_2_onenp
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