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03:23.05wizzard_if MacOSX on my ibook g4 tells me it has a "MotorolaSM56k" modem, does that mean it's not a conexant modem and it's not going to work in linux?
03:23.21simonrvnNFC
03:23.22wizzard_I've been trying months to get it to work in debian
03:24.46wizzard_NFC?
03:25.32demonnfc == no f**king clue
03:25.47wizzard_ah
03:25.51wizzard_well, I don't either :o)
03:26.19wizzard_I'm checking the apple site, but they don't give out real data
03:26.27wizzard_they just tell you 56k modem
03:34.07gdsxwizzard_: at least you know it's not a winmodem *g*
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03:36.17simonrvnoften they are winmodems, hence almost useless
03:36.38wizzard_gdsx, lucky me, huh?
03:36.56simonrvnhere winmodem == software modem
03:37.23wizzard_it is definitely a softmodem, yes
03:37.30wizzard_it's just the question which one
03:37.43wizzard_it doesn't seem to be the usual conexant usb thing
03:37.45simonrvni'd check some of the laptop sites
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03:38.16wizzard_tuxmobil and the likes say it's conexant usb, and have it running with their drivers
03:38.27wizzard_I couldn't make them work
03:38.46gdsxsimonrvn: I was using the strict definition, which was the joke :o)
03:38.56simonrvni know
03:44.15wizzard_anyone know a good place to find data sheets?
03:45.38simonrvnwww.apple-history.com, or applehistory
03:52.40wizzard_"modem: 56kbps"
03:52.51wizzard_:o|
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04:19.04r3dw0rmIm trying to get X running on and old Powermac 5400 and in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4  I have GLcore commented out but I still get: Skipping "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libGLcore.a:m_debug_clip.o":  No symbols found  etc
04:19.14r3dw0rmcould someone tell me why this is?
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04:24.40r3dw0rmI planned on it but Im still getting signal 11 and those are the only warnings Im getting
04:25.08simonrvnthat's not the cause of the segfaults
04:25.51r3dw0rmis there any sort of alternative to getting X running that would just use the framebuffer?
04:26.46simonrvnyou already are using fb. there is no vesa on mac ppc
04:27.59r3dw0rmI should prob reinstall from scratch ive messed with so much shit over the past few months trying to get this running
04:28.16r3dw0rmIll work on it for a few days get pissed and stop
04:28.26r3dw0rmand then pick up a few weeks later
04:28.34r3dw0rmI dunno where Im even at
04:29.32r3dw0rmwhen I use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 it doesn't even modify my XF86Config-4
04:29.46simonrvnread the comment at the top on how to fix that
04:33.30r3dw0rmahhhhh
04:33.51r3dw0rmin regards to x-window-system-core??
04:34.20r3dw0rmohhh
04:34.41r3dw0rmI guess I shouldn't have edited the config file either :-/
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06:44.02r3dw0rmsimonrvn: thanks much better debuugable error msgs now
06:44.13r3dw0rm<- on dial up so yeah it took me that long
06:44.13simonrvncool
06:44.22r3dw0rmhave a good night/morning
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12:46.08Stereois there a kmod to allow linux to read apple partition tables on a usb disk?
12:52.34pahartikStereo: no...
12:53.46piemStereo: what sort of apple partition?
12:54.15pahartikStereo: "CONFIG_MAC_PARTITION=y" should be enough
12:54.38piemoh sorry partition tables. well i don't know how to read the table on my usb device anyway :)
12:55.22Stereopahartik: I'll try that
12:56.09pahartikStereo: one can use "disktype" to see what kind of partition table is stored on device even if kernel does not have support...
12:56.41piemwhy does fdisk says "No partition map exists" on /dev/sda ?
12:58.31pahartikpiem: your "fdisk" does not understand type of partition map on that device or no partition map exists on that device
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13:00.31pahartikpiem: try "disktype" or "parted"... they support many types
13:05.30piempahartik: mmh, parted says: "Assertion ((C * heads + H) * sectors + S == A) at ../../libparted/disk_dos.c:586 in function probe_partition_for_geom() failed." but does list the partition :)
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13:54.55AnthroMy oldworld mac is spontaneously rebooting. It was succeeding in actually rebooting for a while, but now it is panicking. I'm letting it sit for a while in the hopes that it will magically start working again, but I don't know what to do about it at this point.
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15:28.59Sphinxhi
15:29.30Sphinxhuuh..maybe stupid..but... where is the euro sign on the keyboard with debian ?!?!
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15:41.33johillwhat keyboard layout?
15:42.29Sphinxjohill: uhh just a standart ps2 keyboerd ?!
15:43.10pahartikSphinx: finnish layout?
15:45.35johillI'd guess you have a .nl layout matching your domain?
15:46.50Sphinxyes
15:47.24johilland the € sign is not on something like ctrl-alt-e?
15:48.54Sphinxnothing happens...and i see a weird block now... your euro sign i think..:)
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15:49.25johilluh. wait a minute. if you press ctrl-alt-e nothing happens. and above you see a block. or do you see a block when you press it?
15:50.38Sphinxyes and yes NOT when i press it...strange..
15:51.14johilltry entering xmodmap -e 'keycode 0x1A = e E EuroSign'
15:51.41johill(and then altgr-e)
15:51.48Sphinxoki
15:53.18Sphinxa202054:~# xmodmap -e 'keycode 0x1A = e E EuroSign'
15:53.18Sphinxa202054:~#
15:53.23Sphinxand..
15:53.25Sphinxnothing...
15:54.12johillwait. are you in X even?
15:54.23pahartikSphinx: do not fool around as root...?
15:54.26johill(if so, why as root?)
15:55.34Sphinxjohill:yes i'm root, dunno a friend did install this linux and he said when i'm not root i will get all the time requester windows or something...
15:55.50johillbut I guess it kinda worked, otherwise you'd have gotten an error from xmodmap
15:56.05Sphinxtell me about it :)
15:56.06johillugh. what utterly bad advice
15:56.46Sphinxmaybe a reset ?!
15:57.17johillno :) you must have a wrong keyboard layout or one that doesn't include EuroSign anywhere. weird is that after xmodmap it still doesn't work
15:57.23johilloh. try windows-e if you have a windows key
15:57.23pahartikSphinx: if it does not work on terminal emulator, try on "gedit" or "emacs"... and make sure your locale is set properly...
15:57.41johilloh good point too (I have a utf-8 terminal so...)
15:58.42pahartikSphinx: i am using "LANG=fi_FI@euro"
15:59.16Sphinxjohill: well.. the funny thing is...the eurosign is on the keyboard, at key number 5 (with procent) ..and yes windows key i have saddly to yes ;)
15:59.45johillah. that'd probably be altgr-5 then?
16:00.12johillwhat does
16:00.12johillxmodmap -pke|grep '= 5'
16:00.14johilltell you?
16:00.20Sphinxnope...tryd that already :)
16:01.13pahartikSphinx: you can "xmodmap -pk | grep EuroSign" to see if it is assigned to any other key...
16:01.24Sphinxa202054:~# xmodmap -pke|grep '= 5'
16:01.24Sphinxkeycode  14 = 5 percent
16:01.24Sphinxa202054:~#
16:01.53Sphinxa202054:~# xmodmap -pk | grep EuroSign
16:01.54Sphinx<PROTECTED>
16:01.54Sphinxa202054:~#
16:01.57pahartikSphinx: but you still have to use proper locale and font that contains such character
16:03.06johillneat. I can press ctrl-alt-shift-2,0,a,c to get the euro sign ;)
16:03.36johillSphinx: then you should get it with altgr-5 or ctrl-alt-5 or maybe even windowskey-5 or something
16:03.46johillunless your modifiers are totally messed up
16:04.12johillalways assuming that you can display it. what is the first line of 'locale' output?
16:04.56Sphinxthink it's messed up :) uhhh....locale ouput ?! newbiw :P
16:05.13johilljust enter 'locale' in your terminal
16:05.23Sphinxoki
16:05.51Sphinxhmmm
16:06.22Sphinxall is "en_US"
16:06.26Sphinxbut ONE is:
16:06.36SphinxLC_MESSAGES=nl_NL.UTF-8@euro
16:06.43johilloh. heh
16:07.03johilliow you get messages and texts in dutch, but everything else is en_US
16:07.58johilldo you use gdm or kdm?
16:08.18Sphinxuhhh gdm i think..ahum..
16:08.39Sphinxyeah i'm sure..
16:08.57Sphinxi saw that when that guy installed it :)
16:09.32johillrun dpkg-reconfigure locales please
16:09.41johillor no
16:09.46johillwhat is in /etc/locale.gen?
16:10.10johillbtw. what kind of weird statement is "de_DE.UTF-8@euro UTF-8" (why the @euro?)
16:10.20Sphinxbash: /etc/locale.gen: Permission denied
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16:10.28Sphinxbeats me :0
16:10.40johillyeah. I want to know what's in it, you can't execute it
16:10.44johillcat /etc/locale.gen
16:10.46Sphinxah oops
16:10.51johillsee, the cat is your friend ;)
16:10.59Sphinxhehe
16:12.30Sphinxa202054:~# cat /etc/locale.gen
16:12.31Sphinxen_US ISO-8859-1
16:12.41Sphinxnl_NL.UTF-8@euro UTF-8
16:12.59johilliso8859-1 doesn't have a euro sign
16:13.18johillrun dpkg-reconfigure locales and uncheck en_US, check en_US.UTF-8 instead
16:14.57Sphinx<PROTECTED>
16:14.58Sphinx<PROTECTED>
16:14.58Sphinx<PROTECTED>
16:14.58Sphinx<PROTECTED>
16:14.58Sphinx<PROTECTED>
16:15.18johillyeah, just scroll down
16:15.27Sphinxah hihi
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16:17.41Sphinxuhhh how to unmark ?
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16:18.23johillsame as to mark, go over and press space
16:18.35Sphinxaha hot it :)
16:18.39Sphinxgot
16:18.40Sphinx:P
16:19.43Sphinxa202054:~# dpkg-reconfigure locales
16:19.44SphinxGenerating locales...
16:19.44Sphinx<PROTECTED>
16:19.44Sphinx<PROTECTED>
16:19.44SphinxGeneration complete.
16:19.44Sphinxa202054:~#
16:20.01johillnow log out, choose nl_NL.utf-8 in gdm, and try again
16:20.06johillI have to go now, good luck
16:20.14Sphinxoki THX !
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16:51.54Sphinxhmm wher is the xfee.conf again ??
17:17.30simonrvndpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
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17:44.54simonrvnwhich should be easy
17:45.27maitOK, third floppy with todays boot.img ejected.
17:45.45simonrvn...with good floppies
17:46.07PetroI've got a Power Computing vertical tower here and I'd like to slide it under my bed (file server/music server), is it safe to do this (two SCSI HDs, one CD, never used)
17:46.08maithttp://people.debian.org/~luther/d-i/images/daily/powerpc/floppy/ is the good stuff, right?
17:47.03simonrvnas long as it gets enough air
17:48.31PetroI was afraid the motors in the SCSI hd would get too much stress from holding the plates up and spinning them (or maybe I'm a complete neophyte who is paranoid_
17:49.03simonrvnthey're designed nowadays to be run horizontal or vertical
17:49.24simonrvnmait: should be ok. though might want to try rc3 ones
17:49.42Petronowadays as in 90's?
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17:50.18simonrvn90s+ yes :)
17:51.10Petrowell 89 actually, but that year doesn't really count since I didn't touch a keyboard
17:51.15Petrolol
17:51.47PetroI just realized you didn't have internet for half of your life
17:52.04Petrowow
17:52.37simonrvnoh, it's been around for a long time, just not accessible like it is today. back then it was much smaller nets, sometimes with connections to each other, sometimes not
17:53.13simonrvnusually the only people with access were uni people, and scientists, and the military
17:53.30PetroAnd people form Wargames
17:53.56simonrvnhaha
17:53.58Petrothat was my favorite computer-related movie, and it was made before I was born
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18:00.02mait4th floppy spit out on boot :(
18:00.13maitwhere are rc3 floppy images?
18:00.43simonrvnok, how are you making the floppies, and are the floppies fresh?
18:01.51maitwell, they are not all fresh. I've got a PC and a 7500/100 to write floppuies with.
18:06.11maitI'm jinxed. First the xserve spits out the CDs I tried to boot it with, now the 9500/120 spits out floppies.
18:06.22maitIt's a conspiracy, I tell you.
18:09.05simonrvnheh
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18:26.51PetroIs the driver for Radeon 9200 cards "r200" or "radeon"
18:27.06simonrvnradeon
18:28.21Petroand for what cards is r200?
18:28.29simonrvn*shrug*
18:29.36Petroit's for radeon 8xxx
18:30.14simonrvnah
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20:59.56hellaisdo I need scsi emulation to make my cd burner on the ibook work?
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21:15.49hellaisanyone
21:15.57hellaisplz
21:24.18simonrvnkernel version?
21:24.46simonrvnwhat does uname -r say?
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21:35.42hellais2.6
21:37.23hellais2.6.8-powerpc
22:04.56simonrvnyou don't need scsi emulation
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22:25.19Curaltonis there a way to automate dpkg-reconfigure stuff, maybe via stdin or so?
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23:14.03simonrvnapt-get install configure-debian
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23:19.32Curaltonah, thanks simonrvn :) - too bad im out of clues atm why this problem only goes away after reconf when i reboot, well, this hack will have to do :)
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23:33.14simonrvn:)
23:33.27trentbucksimonrvn: why not just dpkg-reconfigure -a?
23:33.45simonrvntry it, you'll see why
23:36.51trentbuckBah, I prefer my way.
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23:53.50Curaltonsimonrvn: ow, i see now its not that i was looking for :S - was rather wanting to automate is as in not-interactive put it predefined values dpkg-reconfigure foo --anwser1=2345 --answer2=localhost etc.
23:54.34simonrvnooh, that's in the debconf docs. you can feed just about anything into it
23:54.39trentbuckAh, I was wondering how you did that.
23:55.01simonrvni know someone who set up a proggie to load data from LDAP, for instance
23:55.37Curaltondebconf-doc.. so be it

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