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| 01:12.24 | beth | any recommendations on how to dual-boot an ibook? |
| 01:13.49 | beth | ie, which to install first (OS X or linux?) and what to do for a bootloader? |
| 01:14.07 | farruinn | yaboot should be the first bootable partition |
| 01:15.25 | beth | by first I meant chronologically :) |
| 01:15.43 | farruinn | os x first |
| 01:16.00 | farruinn | as long as yaboot is before os x you'll be fine, but it'll be easier that way |
| 01:16.21 | beth | ok |
| 01:16.22 | farruinn | there's a yaboot howto on penguinppc.org I think, that might have some more hints |
| 01:16.31 | beth | cool |
| 01:16.42 | beth | I also just found a sample yabook.conf that might help |
| 01:16.48 | beth | yaboot.conf* |
| 01:17.13 | beth | thanks |
| 01:17.32 | farruinn | *nods* |
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| 02:44.21 | nathan_ | any one have any ideas on how getting debian ppc to run a bit faster on my G3 500 w/ 512mb of ram? it runs X damn sluggishly |
| 02:45.41 | thebug | what X driver are you using? |
| 02:45.56 | thebug | (and what video card do you have) |
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| 02:47.18 | nathan_ | its a rage128, im using the default X driver, not sure which it was... |
| 02:47.38 | thebug | try using 'ati' |
| 02:47.47 | nathan_ | if im not mistaken i am |
| 02:48.00 | thebug | then you're probably doing as good as you can with a rage128 |
| 02:48.01 | nathan_ | how do i figure out which one im currently using? |
| 02:48.12 | thebug | look at /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 02:49.12 | trentbuck | grep driver /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, to be precise. |
| 02:49.27 | trentbuck | Er, grep -i driver /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, to be precise. |
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| 06:56.47 | simonrvn | hi |
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| 09:10.32 | ding0k-Token | When trying to mount a hfsplus filesystem I get "mount:not a directory" but the directory is definitely there....help? |
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| 09:37.38 | simonrvn | ding0k-Token: what's your command? |
| 10:00.54 | Sphinx_Ra | simon:did you help me yesterday with th eurokey ?? |
| 10:12.31 | pahartik | Sphinx_Ra: that was johill |
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| 10:15.33 | Sphinx_Ra | pahartik: aha well.. i'm having probls sudenly with k3b (iso character faults?!), and can even mount my dvd-rom ?! |
| 10:16.53 | Sphinx_Ra | pahartik: i think i forget something to do.. the last thinh he said close x (i thought) and select something... in the terminal all past commamnds are gone so dunno what it is anymore... |
| 10:20.56 | pahartik | Sphinx_Ra: i do not know what "k3b" is but... |
| 10:21.10 | jaska | iirc its some cd-burning software |
| 10:21.17 | jaska | or similiar |
| 10:21.24 | Sphinx_Ra | pahartik: yes..a burning program.. |
| 10:21.51 | Sphinx_Ra | are therv other burning sw then ?!? |
| 10:22.12 | Sphinx_Ra | i saw nerolinux but it is not for ppc..:( |
| 10:22.56 | pahartik | Sphinx_Ra: maybe you have to configure it too... to define input and output character sets on filenames for filesystem it creates... |
| 10:24.08 | pahartik | Sphinx_Ra: "cdrecord" and some others exist... |
| 10:24.28 | Sphinx_Ra | pahartik: i looked for that...think i forget the last step johill told me..damn me :) |
| 10:24.30 | pahartik | Sphinx_Ra: for writing data on CD and DVD media |
| 10:24.40 | Sphinx_Ra | pahartik: cool gonna look for it... |
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| 14:11.54 | Leon | hi |
| 14:12.18 | Leon | is ubuntu based on debian? |
| 14:12.44 | sk1p | yes |
| 14:13.14 | Leon | the install folder has three powerpc folders |
| 14:13.30 | Leon | is the power4 folder for 604 oe G4? |
| 14:13.30 | Leon | or |
| 14:13.55 | pahartik | Leon: neither |
| 14:14.27 | pahartik | Leon: "powerpc" is for both |
| 14:15.17 | Leon | I own a G4, what should I use? |
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| 15:02.06 | Stereo | Leon: this isn't an ubuntu channel. The power4 is for power4 processors, which macs don't use |
| 15:02.17 | Stereo | use the 'powerpc' one |
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| 15:05.06 | Leon | stereo: I know that it isnt a ubuntu channel. ubuntu is based on debian, that is the relation. |
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| 15:08.00 | Zomb | hi |
| 15:08.08 | Zomb | which CD do I need to boot a prep machine? |
| 15:08.17 | Zomb | rs6k, 43p/140 |
| 15:08.33 | Zomb | I mean which d-i CD |
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| 15:44.47 | ding0k | when I try to mount an HFS+ partition with the following command "mount -t hfsplus /dec/hda3 /osx" I get "mount: not a directory" and /osx is a directory. if anybody has seen this before their help would be appreciated. |
| 15:51.32 | Petro | mount -t hfsplus /dev/hda3 /osx |
| 15:51.47 | ding0k | Petro: that's what I meant, typo |
| 15:51.52 | Petro | Oh |
| 15:52.05 | Petro | modprobe hfsplus ? |
| 15:53.02 | ding0k | I did that, nothing changed |
| 15:53.04 | ding0k | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:00.32 | Petro | are you sure it's the right partition? |
| 16:20.46 | Stereo | try fdisk -l /dev/hda |
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| 16:30.14 | pahartik | does anyone have "BootX" as some disk image that traditional MacOS has tools (Disk Copy) to play with? |
| 16:33.10 | pahartik | damn old "StuffIt Expander" that came from MacOS 8.5 installer does not want to "expand" most files, including newer "StuffIt Expander" file |
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| 17:59.06 | pahartik | with "hdiutil" of "MacOS X 10.2" it seems to be difficult to create image that "Disk Copy 6" understands |
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| 20:51.13 | Leon | hi, is nerolinux available for debianppc? |
| 20:51.19 | Bor_Ed | nope |
| 20:51.50 | Leon | any ideas on a possible porting effort? |
| 20:52.00 | Bor_Ed | nope |
| 20:52.24 | Leon | thanks |
| 20:52.28 | Bor_Ed | np |
| 20:53.00 | Leon | it exists for debian x86, in case... |
| 20:53.12 | Bor_Ed | yup, sad for them |
| 20:53.32 | Leon | so you are a k3b fan then... |
| 20:53.37 | Bor_Ed | nope |
| 20:53.47 | Leon | so? |
| 20:53.51 | Bor_Ed | don't even have that installed |
| 20:54.06 | Leon | what do you use? |
| 20:54.13 | Leon | I look for a replacement |
| 20:55.09 | Leon | it supports only 1x, 2x and 4x dvd writing, I need 8x |
| 20:55.21 | Bor_Ed | cdrerecord and mkisofs usually, gcombust, gcdw, and such every now and then if I need to do something special |
| 20:55.40 | Leon | I need something with GUI |
| 20:56.00 | Bor_Ed | gcombust and gcdw both are |
| 20:56.09 | Bor_Ed | x-cd-roast is an easy to use app too |
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| 20:57.31 | keenan | which floppy image should i download to install sarge on a powerbook 3400? |
| 21:05.35 | Leon | bor_ed:can I install them with apt-get? |
| 21:06.19 | Bor_Ed | yup |
| 21:08.08 | keenan | i tried ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-powerpc/rc3/images/powerpc/floppy/boot.img but it didn't boot |
| 21:08.17 | keenan | it said "can't LOAD from this device" |
| 21:08.40 | keenan | what does that mean? |
| 21:10.03 | Bor_Ed | try with different floppy disk |
| 21:11.46 | keenan | ok, trying that |
| 21:12.46 | Bor_Ed | I've only installed from woody boot disks and dist-upgraded to sid... I have sarge di rc2 or rc3 here too somewhere but haven't tested it |
| 21:26.06 | keenan | yes! there's tux! |
| 21:26.24 | Bor_Ed | old macs are pretty picky with the floppies :I |
| 21:26.28 | keenan | the backlight's off but i can see him with a flashlight |
| 21:26.34 | Bor_Ed | mmm |
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| 21:33.15 | Bor_Ed | hey simonrvn, I see you've updated the g3 overclocking thingy on yer site :o |
| 21:33.30 | simonrvn | yes :) |
| 21:33.50 | Bor_Ed | and the site doesn't render anymore correctly on moz :I |
| 21:34.06 | Bor_Ed | the left frame overlaps with the text area |
| 21:34.25 | Bor_Ed | but nice to see the g3 site there :) |
| 21:34.37 | simonrvn | meh. i gotta tweak that... |
| 21:34.52 | Bor_Ed | lessee, I'll try links2 too |
| 21:35.44 | Bor_Ed | renders completely differently :o |
| 21:36.09 | Bor_Ed | let me guess... you have the site built with css ? |
| 21:37.15 | simonrvn | yeh. left bar is a div element |
| 21:37.53 | Bor_Ed | right... well, the site looks ok on links at least :) |
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| 21:42.51 | furrywolf_ | perhaps we need a channel IQ test... hack the freenode ircd so people have to answer a question before they join the channel. things like "is ubuntu debian?", "are you going to ask if we use something?", etc. |
| 21:44.48 | simonrvn | heh, believe me, the subject has come up before |
| 21:45.19 | Bor_Ed | welcome notice for the chan ? |
| 21:45.25 | Bor_Ed | no need to hack a bit |
| 21:45.34 | furrywolf_ | simple way would be to have a #debian-real, while #debian is +m, and anyone joining #debian gets asked the questions by the bot, and either invites them to the real channel or bans them based on their answers. :) |
| 21:45.54 | Bor_Ed | I have msgs dropped here ... |
| 21:48.23 | furrywolf_ | or make a channel FAQ page (i.e. "don't ask if we use something, don't ask about knoppix, etc"), with a test question whereby in order to get an invite, they have to paste a given sentance from the page. challange-response at its finest. :) |
| 21:48.52 | Bor_Ed | LOL |
| 21:49.10 | simonrvn | ...and a spelling bee ;p |
| 21:49.17 | Bor_Ed | mmm |
| 21:53.44 | furrywolf_ | Complete the sentance: "I don't think ____ right about that." 1) "u r", 2) "your", 3) "you're", 4) "ur". |
| 21:54.35 | Bor_Ed | j00 ? |
| 21:54.59 | simonrvn | ur |
| 21:55.00 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 21:55.14 | furrywolf_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:55.16 | keenan | ok the sarge floppies officially don't boot |
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| 21:55.40 | furrywolf_ | officially, eh? you got a certified official to certify that? |
| 21:55.42 | keenan | the woody floppy does, but i tried like 5 different floppies for sarge and none worked |
| 21:56.33 | keenan | hey, that's a good oxymoron: woody floppy |
| 21:58.41 | keenan | i doubt it's worth it to file a bug report |
| 21:58.48 | keenan | i'll just install woody and dist-upgrade |
| 21:59.39 | keenan | oh but does woody have drivers for my ethernet card? |
| 21:59.41 | Bor_Ed | dist-upgrade works just fine... just make sure you don't have much more than basesystem before you do that... otherwise you could end up downloading a lot and breaking the sys |
| 21:59.43 | simonrvn | yes it is. how else is it gonna get fixed? |
| 21:59.44 | keenan | aaargh |
| 22:00.03 | keenan | (tulip 21040) |
| 22:00.11 | keenan | (or 21021, can't remember) |
| 22:00.27 | Bor_Ed | that's supported on woody floppies |
| 22:00.49 | Bor_Ed | 0000:00:0d.0 Ethernet controller: Digital Equipment Corporation DECchip 21041 [Tulip Pass 3] (rev 21 |
| 22:00.51 | Bor_Ed | ^ card ? |
| 22:01.05 | keenan | yeah |
| 22:01.11 | Bor_Ed | yea, no probs with it |
| 22:09.56 | piem | i am testing d-i in qemu. anyone knows the trick to have the keyboard work? |
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| 22:13.47 | Bor_Ed | qemu might have some key/combo to enable keyboard... no idea really |
| 22:15.10 | piem | i have the keyboard in the boot prompt, but ot anymore in the installer menu :\ |
| 22:15.26 | piem | s/\ ot/ not/ |
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| 22:25.02 | keenan | what is the name of the partition type for swap? |
| 22:25.12 | furrywolf_ | linux swap? :) |
| 22:25.15 | Bor_Ed | you don't need type |
| 22:25.16 | piem | keenan: swapfs |
| 22:25.24 | Bor_Ed | just name it swap and that's it |
| 22:25.31 | keenan | the installer keeps saying there's no swap partition |
| 22:25.47 | keenan | Apple_Unix_SVR2 is for ext2 apparently |
| 22:25.56 | Bor_Ed | you don't need swap on installer if you have 16+ megs ram |
| 22:26.14 | keenan | ok guess i'll make some swap later then |
| 22:26.31 | keenan | wow this installer really makes me appreciate d-i =P |
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| 22:26.57 | Bor_Ed | I'd say potato and woody had better installers than the d-i hassle is |
| 22:28.52 | keenan | the partitioner is terrible! |
| 22:28.58 | Bor_Ed | bah |
| 22:29.08 | keenan | it said things that made no sense like "bad name" after i typed in the size or something |
| 22:29.10 | Bor_Ed | easier than lottery with the d-i manager :) |
| 22:30.10 | simonrvn | you can't have spaces |
| 22:30.17 | Bor_Ed | (re)initialize partition map, create something for /, something for swap (min 2xram, max 512M if you're not going to do gfx/video editing), /home and possibly /usr |
| 22:30.29 | simonrvn | mac-fdisk is picky (oh, and the pp installer doesn't use mac-fdisk .....) |
| 22:30.33 | simonrvn | ppc* |
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| 22:33.41 | keenan | no, i typed in the name which it liked, then it asked me for the size and i said "1.9G" so it says "bad name" |
| 22:33.51 | keenan | then i tried "1900M" instead and it worked |
| 22:34.03 | keenan | awful program |
| 22:34.46 | piem | strangely, the keyboard works in qemu-system-x86_64, but not in qemu-system-ppc |
| 22:35.50 | simonrvn | that's typical mac-fdisk for you ;) |
| 22:36.07 | simonrvn | doesn't grok decimals of any kind |
| 22:37.19 | piem | keenan: just a thought, maybe it should have been "1,9G" in your locale |
| 22:38.20 | simonrvn | mac-fdisk doesn't do l10n |
| 22:38.56 | piem | oh, bad try then. |
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| 23:41.37 | chip14 | Greetings |
| 23:43.33 | simonrvn | hi |
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| 23:53.28 | davidatstorix | Anyone know the the data format of /proc/device-tree/chosen/bootpreply-packet? |
| 23:54.09 | simonrvn | it's a procfs file. it doesn't really exist |
| 23:55.51 | davidatstorix | simonrvn: There is a file there. It has data, I need to be able to read it. Cat give me partial garbage. od -c does not seem to be the proper way to read it either. |
| 23:56.43 | Curalton | cat /proc/device-tree/chosen/bootpreply-packet > test; file test |
| 23:56.43 | simonrvn | you can always cat -v it... but it isn't usually needed by high level apps |
| 23:57.34 | davidatstorix | it's file type data. That doesn't mean much. |
| 23:58.03 | Curalton | bootp, seems like a packetdump for networkbooting |
| 23:58.03 | simonrvn | it's /proc, don't expect much from it... |
| 23:58.09 | simonrvn | yes |