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| 05:23.10 | sobersabre | hello, guys. what task can be given to a PowerPC970FX cpu so that the same task will be run faster than intel pentium-4 2.2GHz ? |
| 05:23.30 | sobersabre | given the same memory and FSB speed ... ? |
| 05:29.02 | sobersabre | hm... |
| 05:29.07 | kimo_sabe | sobersabre: huh? |
| 05:29.36 | sobersabre | where should i ask such question ? |
| 05:29.48 | sobersabre | is there "linux-ppc" or something ? |
| 05:30.29 | kimo_sabe | I don't think there's much that you couldn't throw at a 2G G5 that wouldn't be slower on a 2.2G P4 |
| 05:31.12 | sobersabre | hmm... so you're saying that i need some processor bound task, and anything will win ? |
| 05:31.44 | kimo_sabe | sobersabre: when you're only comparing to a 2.2G P4, probably. That's pretty old in Intel land |
| 05:32.36 | kimo_sabe | sobersabre: not to mention that you arn't getting anywhere close to the same FSB/multiplier/ram combinations |
| 05:32.41 | sobersabre | comparing with ppc 970 fx is at 2.2 GHz |
| 05:32.43 | sobersabre | ? |
| 05:33.13 | sobersabre | isn't p4 running at 800MHz ? |
| 05:33.20 | sobersabre | i mean fsb |
| 05:33.41 | kimo_sabe | sobersabre: not on the 2.2G's I don't think |
| 05:33.50 | kimo_sabe | sobersabre: those are newer, hotter parts |
| 05:36.36 | sobersabre | hm. |
| 05:44.32 | sobersabre | kimo_sabe, assuming there's p4 at 2.2 ghz, with 800 mhz fsb |
| 05:44.56 | sobersabre | who will perform better or ... what tasks ppc will do better/faster. ? |
| 05:45.48 | kimo_sabe | sobersabre: 2.2 is a slow P4 |
| 05:46.35 | kimo_sabe | sobersabre: P4's get very little ommph per clock |
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| 05:48.15 | kimo_sabe | sobersabre: my money would be on the G5, but I don't have any hard numbers |
| 05:50.17 | sobersabre | kimo_sabe, let's also try to remember that g5 is a 64 bit processor. |
| 05:50.38 | sobersabre | are there any 64 processors like it in intel ? |
| 05:51.29 | kimo_sabe | sobersabre: most software only runs in 32bit mode |
| 05:51.46 | kimo_sabe | sobersabre: uh, yeah, Intel has two 64bit cips |
| 05:51.47 | sobersabre | hm. i can compile -m64 ... can i not ? |
| 05:51.52 | kimo_sabe | sobersabre: yes |
| 05:52.30 | sobersabre | ok. |
| 05:52.32 | sobersabre | thanks. |
| 05:54.20 | kimo_sabe | sobersabre: the most interesting performance differences would be if you could rewrite the interesting parts to use Altivec |
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| 07:56.10 | Bor_Ed | isn't usb serial cable supposed to be ttyUSB0 ? |
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| 08:31.41 | joel_ | hey guys, Im having some problems configuring X with controlfb |
| 08:31.52 | joel_ | won't go over 800x600 |
| 08:32.22 | joel_ | I fiddled with fbset, and got a nice 1024x768 75hz console |
| 08:33.20 | mort | joel_: UseFBDev? |
| 08:34.06 | joel_ | yea |
| 08:34.18 | joel_ | Driver "fbdev" |
| 08:34.32 | joel_ | Option "UseFBDev" "true" |
| 08:36.15 | mort | what kind of graphic baord are you using? |
| 08:36.26 | joel_ | the built in "control" |
| 08:36.33 | joel_ | onboard |
| 08:36.40 | mort | ati radeon? |
| 08:36.58 | mort | what kind of mac do you have? |
| 08:37.00 | joel_ | "Control Video" |
| 08:37.19 | joel_ | it's a 9600 |
| 08:37.51 | mort | oh. can't help you with these, sorry :-/ |
| 08:38.01 | joel_ | thanks anyway |
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| 09:31.39 | joel_ | damn, I forgot how to activate the ctrl-click for right mouse button emulation |
| 09:31.57 | joel_ | you just can't use gnome with only one button :) |
| 09:42.50 | simonrvn | joel_: 4 MB VRAM? |
| 09:43.24 | simonrvn | it won't go over 832x624 AFAIK |
| 09:47.08 | joel_ | I got it working simon, used the modeline generated by fbset in xf86config-4 |
| 09:47.59 | joel_ | I got 1024x768 at 75hz in X, color depth 15, looks very nice |
| 09:48.09 | simonrvn | oh cool. |
| 09:49.28 | joel_ | simonrvn: you don't happen to know anything about right mouse button emulation? |
| 09:49.46 | simonrvn | @+3 buttons |
| 09:49.46 | ravenbird | sysctl -w dev.mac_hid.mouse_button_emulation=1, and dev.mac_hid.mouse_buttonY_keycode=XX -- where XX is a number you get from showkey (in console only), the key you want, and Y is 2 or 3. however, you'll lose functionality of the selected keys for any other use, or to make the change permanent, add the entries to /etc/sysctl.conf - man sysctl.conf, and you can ... |
| 09:50.07 | simonrvn | /msg the bot for the full output, slight bug on my part |
| 09:51.43 | joel_ | that makes it just one key on the keyboard right? |
| 09:51.54 | simonrvn | 2 |
| 09:52.05 | joel_ | Im bloody sure I got ctrl-click to work before |
| 09:52.18 | simonrvn | that's a kernel patch iirc |
| 09:52.50 | joel_ | oh =/ |
| 09:56.44 | simonrvn | debian-powerpc ML. i think you can find it in the archives |
| 09:57.09 | joel_ | thanks |
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| 11:14.31 | espo | is it possible to run airport with wep key 128bit? |
| 11:14.51 | espo | because i got an error Operation not supported! |
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| 13:11.01 | joel_ | oh well, now it's the alt-gr and at-sign that won't work |
| 13:11.11 | joel_ | guess this truly is a neverending iq-test |
| 13:11.49 | joel_ | works just fine in the console though :) |
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| 13:16.42 | joel_ | seems like alt-gr is just plain alt |
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| 13:20.32 | pahartik | joel_: sounds like <AltGr> is missing from your keyboard in X11... |
| 13:24.14 | pahartik | joel_: i use "xmodmap -e 'keycode 113 = Mode_switch'" to fix that |
| 13:26.20 | espo | hi anyone is using the kernel 2.6.11 or 2.6.8 with wlan and wep key? |
| 13:26.31 | espo | because i cant set the wep key password |
| 13:26.58 | pahartik | espo: with "iwconfig"? |
| 13:27.12 | espo | yes |
| 13:27.16 | espo | i got this error: |
| 13:27.43 | espo | Error for wireless request "Set Encode" (8B2A) SET failed on device eth0 ; Operation not supported |
| 13:28.13 | pahartik | espo: driver of that 802.11 chip might not support that feature? |
| 13:28.36 | espo | i dont know :( |
| 13:29.03 | espo | but in howtos they set the wep key! |
| 13:29.41 | espo | because of that im a little bit confused. |
| 13:30.05 | pahartik | espo: that is what it clearly tells... for details, check documentation or source code of that driver |
| 13:30.18 | joel_ | pahartik: thank you very much, that worked perfect |
| 13:31.11 | pahartik | joel_: nice to hear |
| 13:31.11 | espo | okay pahartik thx a lot |
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| 15:28.41 | tarzeau | in the open boot promp of mac, how can i print the ethernet mac address? |
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| 15:29.46 | stilly | Does anybody have ever seen this error ? '--0007: IPL source not valid.' (Debian, i5, in the 'nwsd' description). |
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| 17:46.31 | cspan | hi |
| 17:46.55 | cspan | how do you setup the realtime-lsm module in debian ppc? |
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| 17:57.47 | rilat | It's the first time I compile a kernel on a PPC and I get this error: "modprobe: FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.5.9.11/modules.dep: no such file or directory"; I guess it is a platform independent error.. but I have never seen it in i386; and modules.dep file exists... any idea? |
| 17:58.40 | mort | rilat: did you "make modules_install"? |
| 17:59.13 | rilat | mort: Yes I did... make menuconfig make make modules_install |
| 17:59.45 | mort | rilat: hmm, so a 2.6 kernel? |
| 17:59.53 | rilat | yes, indeed... |
| 18:00.19 | mort | rilat: give "depmod -a" a try |
| 18:00.26 | rilat | I am runnig debian sarge and the default 2.6.8 runs without problems... |
| 18:00.43 | espo | :) |
| 18:00.46 | espo | here not :( |
| 18:00.58 | espo | wep support with airport is not that good ;) |
| 18:00.58 | rilat | mort: I did it: lib/.../modules.dep already exists.. |
| 18:01.19 | mort | rilat: but... you're not compiling 2.5.9.11? |
| 18:01.49 | rilat | bua.. 2.6.9.11, I made a mistake before... |
| 18:01.57 | rilat | mort: sorry about that.. |
| 18:02.11 | cspan | hey, i have tried building the realtime-lsm module and it complains about not finding /usr/src/linux... i guess i have to make a symlink of the kernel headers to /usr/src/linux, but which part of the kernel headers do i have to link? |
| 18:02.52 | mort | rilat: no problem :-) |
| 18:03.13 | mort | cspan: where are your headers located? |
| 18:03.53 | mort | cspan: you know that the headers must exact match the current runnign kernel, else it won't work |
| 18:04.15 | cspan | mort: i think that they're in /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.8 |
| 18:04.30 | cspan | yeah, i know that, apt-get got the headers for me |
| 18:04.40 | cspan | it just doesn't seem to configure them properly |
| 18:04.54 | mort | cspan: in that directory is only a subdirectory names "include", right? |
| 18:05.20 | mort | cspan: if so, "ln -s /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.8 /usr/src/linux" |
| 18:05.34 | cspan | arch/ include/ kernelheader.revision and Makefile |
| 18:05.44 | mort | cspan: ok, looks good |
| 18:06.35 | cspan | so what should i do? |
| 18:06.51 | mort | cspan: symlink it to /usr/src/linux |
| 18:07.03 | cspan | er... |
| 18:07.07 | cspan | how do you symlink? |
| 18:07.12 | cspan | i have never done it :( |
| 18:07.31 | rilat | mort: to make a "depmod -a" shall I be in /lib/modules/2.6.11.9/ ? |
| 18:07.46 | mort | cspan: quite simple, with "ln". ln -s <source> <destination> |
| 18:08.10 | mort | rilat: no, I don't think so |
| 18:08.56 | cspan | thanks :D |
| 18:09.12 | rilat | mort: but it is really extrange... /lib/modules/2.6.11.9/modules.dep exists since I made make modules_install.... |
| 18:09.24 | mort | cspan: it's fun, and very useful in unix :-) |
| 18:10.18 | mort | rilat: and you still get the old error pointing to the 2.5 kernel? |
| 18:10.48 | cspan | i know it is useful |
| 18:10.58 | cspan | now it complains |
| 18:10.59 | rilat | mort: the thing is that when I try to boot from the new kernel the boot processes stops suddently |
| 18:10.59 | cspan | AGAIN |
| 18:11.17 | rilat | mort: Sorry, I ment 2.6 not 2.5 |
| 18:12.03 | cspan | mort: it says scripts/Makefile.build: No such file or directory |
| 18:12.37 | mort | rilat: what does it say when it stops booting? the modprobe thing? |
| 18:12.57 | rilat | mort: yeah. |
| 18:13.10 | mort | cspan: you have to configure the source first. cd to /usr/src/linux and do make oldconfig or something |
| 18:13.11 | rilat | mort: and I can do nothing |
| 18:13.28 | rilat | mort: after 180 seconds it reboots... |
| 18:14.01 | cspan | it answers the same |
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| 18:15.08 | mort | rilat: strange. |
| 18:15.09 | cspan | *** No rule to make target `scripts/Makefile.build'. Stop. |
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| 18:16.07 | rilat | mort: tell me, please, if I did right: 1st I downloaded de kernel sorurces from, say, ftp.kernel.org (the big one, about 40Mb) |
| 18:16.29 | rilat | 2nd) tar xjf linux-kernel-2.6.11.9 |
| 18:16.58 | rilat | 3th) ln -s linux-kernel-2.6.11.9 linux |
| 18:17.27 | rilat | 4th) I copyed a config file at /usr/src/linux |
| 18:17.36 | rilat | 5th) make |
| 18:17.56 | rilat | 6th) make modules_install |
| 18:18.30 | mort | rilat: 7th) cp vmlinux /boot/my_kernel |
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| 18:18.47 | rilat | 7th) cp vmlinux / .. . yes.. |
| 18:19.01 | rilat | 8th) edit yaboot.conf |
| 18:19.08 | rilat | 9th) ybin |
| 18:19.16 | rilat | and reboot.. |
| 18:19.47 | mort | rilat: this looks good to me, at least I do it that way and my kernel boots fine... |
| 18:19.50 | rilat | did I right? |
| 18:19.58 | rilat | hmm... |
| 18:20.15 | mort | rilat: what config did you use? one from a debian kernel? |
| 18:21.19 | rilat | mort: no, one form a web page. I am new at Mac, and I thought it would be good to start form it... |
| 18:22.26 | mort | rilat: what kind of mac do you possess? |
| 18:23.26 | rilat | mort: I got it from: http://www.mamiyami.com/powerbook/files/config-2.6.11.7-bauxite.41 |
| 18:23.36 | rilat | mort: a PB 12" |
| 18:25.21 | mort | rilat: one last thought: do you have module-init-tools installed? |
| 18:25.36 | rilat | mort: yes indeed... |
| 18:26.02 | rilat | mort: let me check it once more... but I guess I have them... |
| 18:26.15 | pahartik | rilat: almost right, you should have used mirror of "kernel.org" archive |
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| 18:26.44 | rilat | pahartik I did it ftp.rediris.es |
| 18:27.05 | rilat | pahartik I'm aware about overloads... |
| 18:28.14 | pahartik | rilat: then that part was right... later on, you should probably use "make-kpkg" to build kernel packages |
| 18:28.58 | rilat | pahartik: I don't really like that way... I perfer to do it manually... any problem? |
| 18:29.28 | rilat | mort: module_init_tools are already isntalled as I said :( |
| 18:29.33 | pahartik | rilat: ok, if you prefer it that way |
| 18:29.37 | cspan | make or make oldconfig don't work with my kernel headers |
| 18:31.46 | cspan | there must be an easier way? |
| 18:31.58 | cspan | cant apt-get or dpkg install the realtime-lsm module? |
| 18:34.55 | rilat | cspan apt-cache search realtime-lsm |
| 18:34.58 | rilat | says |
| 18:35.00 | rilat | realtime-lsm - Scripts for handling the realtime Linux security module |
| 18:35.00 | rilat | realtime-lsm-source - Source for the realtime Linux security module |
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| 18:35.20 | rilat | so... apt-get install bla bla bla |
| 18:35.22 | cspan | yeah, i already did that |
| 18:36.24 | rilat | cspan: ok, then I can't say anything else... |
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| 18:37.35 | cspan | Setting up realtime-lsm (0.1.1-6) ... |
| 18:37.36 | cspan | Loading Realtime Linux Security Module: not found |
| 18:37.51 | cspan | i tried removing it and then installing it again |
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| 18:42.08 | simonrvn | cspan: you also have to build the kernel module... |
| 18:42.21 | cspan | oooh |
| 18:42.24 | cspan | and how do i do that? |
| 18:43.21 | cspan | simonrvn, can you help me? |
| 18:45.11 | simonrvn | apt-get install module-assistant; then do sudo m-a a-i realtime-lsm |
| 18:45.28 | simonrvn | or su to root if you don't have sudo configured |
| 18:45.37 | cspan | thaaank you |
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| 20:16.19 | cspan | i need some help with m-a |
| 20:16.29 | cspan | it complains about my kernel headers not being installed |
| 20:16.31 | cspan | but they are |
| 20:16.50 | simonrvn | point it at them. man page will say how |
| 20:16.56 | _rene_ | hmm. what was the program again I get the keycodes for the mouse mapping in /etc/sysctl.conf? |
| 20:17.06 | _rene_ | f10 and f11 is suboptimal ;-) |
| 20:17.18 | demon | showkey |
| 20:17.21 | simonrvn | showkey |
| 20:17.29 | _rene_ | thanks |
| 20:18.37 | cspan | which man page, simonrvn? |
| 20:19.27 | simonrvn | a program will have its man page the same name as itself, so it'd be module-assistant |
| 20:19.32 | simonrvn | usually, anyway |
| 20:19.43 | cspan | ok, but anyway when i point it at them |
| 20:19.49 | cspan | it doesn't work either |
| 20:20.16 | simonrvn | then you're either pointing it at the wrong place, or you don't have what it wants |
| 20:21.30 | cspan | it asks me to run make config on the kernel |
| 20:21.58 | simonrvn | so do so |
| 20:22.08 | simonrvn | it wants a .config to work from |
| 20:22.23 | cspan | ok |
| 20:22.28 | cspan | and how do i do that |
| 20:22.59 | simonrvn | it just told you how. i highly suggest you go read the kernel building docs at newbiedoc.sf.net |
| 20:23.15 | cspan | i don't want to build a kernel |
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| 20:23.28 | simonrvn | you just need a .config... |
| 20:23.39 | cspan | and i am supposed to know what a .config is? |
| 20:24.06 | simonrvn | go read |
| 20:24.27 | cspan | you are not very polite, you know? |
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| 20:25.37 | simonrvn | yes i do know, and when you ask questions that can be answered simply by reading a bit, i get a bit testy. it's a waste of time. i'm not here to waste my and your time, and hold you bt the hand |
| 20:25.40 | simonrvn | by* |
| 20:26.29 | cspan | you don't have to answer, and trust me, if you think i don't ask the man pages first you're wrong |
| 20:26.43 | cspan | if i ask here it's because i haven't been able to work it out by myself |
| 20:27.01 | cspan | so 'just do it' is not a lot of help |
| 20:27.04 | simonrvn | and i pointed out to you how to fix it. |
| 20:27.13 | cspan | excuse me? |
| 20:27.17 | cspan | when? |
| 20:27.28 | cspan | all you said was RTFM |
| 20:27.51 | cspan | so, DON'T ANSWER |
| 20:27.55 | cspan | but don't be rude |
| 20:29.45 | simonrvn | i wasn't rude. you'll know when i'm rude |
| 20:30.22 | joel_ | I never actually figured out why answering some types of question is a waste of time, while answering other is not |
| 20:30.37 | cspan | btw, the page you gave me is completely useless, it only shows a random tip |
| 20:30.57 | simonrvn | it's got more than that. unless they changed it |
| 20:31.07 | cspan | oh no, it wasn't loading |
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| 20:38.43 | cspan | make xconfig says there is no 'scripts/Makefile.build' |
| 20:38.46 | cspan | which is true |
| 20:38.49 | cspan | how can i get one? |
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| 22:15.18 | ysothoth | Hi...can anyone recommend a replacement for apple airport that will fit in an ibook g3 and is compatible with debian sarge? |
| 22:15.34 | ysothoth | I think the radio on my airport is dead |
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| 22:18.02 | simonrvn | usb wifi cards |
| 22:18.19 | simonrvn | orinoco, prism54 chipsets, oh, and another one is ok |
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