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00:32.55jrrwow i didn't realize i had a temp sensor in my g3
00:32.57jrrneato burrito
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13:45.30fulldisclosurehi
13:45.47fulldisclosurewhat for is initrd.img used?
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14:45.30ubuntuhi
14:45.34ubuntusomeone there?
14:45.58ubuntuI obtain this error when executing ybin
14:45.58ubunturoot@ubuntu:/# ybin
14:45.58ubuntuFailed to initialize HFS working directories: No such file or directory
14:45.58ubuntuybin: /dev/hda5 appears to have never had a bootstrap installed, please run mkofboot
14:49.10pahartikubuntu: maybe you do not have "Apple_Bootstrap" on that disk device?
14:49.20ubuntuyes is there
14:49.36ubuntu/dev/hda5         Apple_Bootstrap bootstrap              1600 @ 35061826 (800.0k)  NewWorld bootblock
14:49.43ubuntuI deleted and created it again
14:49.47ubuntuis absurd
14:50.01ubuntumaybe a distro bug?
14:50.54ubuntuI have an error with mkofboot too
14:50.57ubunturoot@ubuntu:/# mkofboot
14:50.57ubuntumkofboot: Create hfs filesystem on /dev/hda5? [y/N] y
14:50.57ubuntuFailed to initialize HFS working directories: No such file or directory
14:50.57ubuntumkofboot: HFS filesystem creation failed!
14:51.09ubuntubut I created it with fdisk
14:51.45ubuntuthe error is very similar
14:52.02ubuntuindeed is the same with ybin and mkofboot
14:57.19ubuntupahartik: no idea?
14:58.41demonuh... no such file or directory? that either means the dev node didn't exist, or hfsutils isn't installed
14:59.11ubuntuis installed
14:59.21ubuntunewest version
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15:11.32fulldisclosurehola
15:11.40fulldisclosurealguien sabe como crear una imagen initrd.img
15:13.42Bor_Edto load installer required files and such
15:15.32fulldisclosureI compiled a kernel
15:15.48Bor_Edyou really don't want to use initrd then
15:15.52fulldisclosurehow can I make his own initrd.img
15:15.54pahartikfulldisclosure: me too
15:16.07fulldisclosurepahartik: ok if you are bored play games :D
15:16.20Bor_Edmkinitrf kernel_version whatever that is does the initrd
15:16.37fulldisclosureBor_Ed: yes I want, because I used generic kernel conf only change pty support for Eterm, because it was disabled by default
15:16.52Bor_Edmut again, initrd is usefull only for installer kernels
15:17.13fulldisclosureBor_Ed: I am using a default conf :P
15:17.16fulldisclosureonly changed one thing
15:17.23fulldisclosuremmm
15:17.49Bor_EdI have used 'default' conf from 2.5.something ... and altered it only on HW mods
15:18.45fulldisclosureBor_Ed: the kernel use initrd.img here
15:18.52fulldisclosureand ONLY changed pty support for Eterm
15:19.00fulldisclosureso if before was needed, not TOO :P
15:19.07fulldisclosureand I comprobed it ;p
15:19.13Bor_Edhmm
15:19.28Bor_Edthe mkinitrd command should do the trick I think
15:20.22fulldisclosurebut it makes a img for the kernel that I am using now..
15:21.38Bor_Edit accepts other kernel on parameters too I recall
15:22.00fulldisclosureyes but I dont know how to specity I am looking that
15:22.52Bor_Edhmm, doesn't make-kpkg make the initrd too during the compile ?
15:23.15fulldisclosureI compiled with make
15:23.21fulldisclosuremake && make modules_install
15:23.35Bor_Edookay
15:26.30fulldisclosureok
15:26.46fulldisclosureI thought that the parameter "2.6.11" was not the correct
15:26.47fulldisclosurebut yes
15:26.50fulldisclosure/usr/sbin/mkinitrd: /lib/modules/2.6.19: Not a directory
15:26.59Bor_Eddidn't see 'quick' solution from the mkinitrd man page
15:27.02fulldisclosureI tried with another an doesn't work so yes
15:27.03Bor_Ed2.6.19 ?
15:27.07Bor_Edwhaa ?
15:27.12fulldisclosureBor_Ed: read me
15:27.18Bor_EdI have 2.6.11.10 and thought this is most recent one
15:27.22fulldisclosure..
15:27.42fulldisclosureBor_Ed: I was trying to make 2.6.11 and I was not sure if the parameter "2.6.11" was enought for version
15:27.51fulldisclosureand then I tried with a one that doesn't exits
15:28.00fulldisclosureso it look in "/lib/modules"
15:28.30fulldisclosurethen version must be not only the number, need all characters if it have
15:29.16Bor_Edyup
15:31.03fulldisclosurefulldisclosure@wildbook:/boot$ sudo ybin
15:31.04fulldisclosurePassword:
15:31.04fulldisclosurefulldisclosure@wildbook:/boot$
15:31.06fulldisclosurethis is weird
15:31.27Bor_Edybin -vv shows some info
15:31.32fulldisclosurebefore (if you read many lines before) I was trying to execute ybin from a chroot-ed partition (this) with a live CD
15:31.42fulldisclosureand it said me /dev/hda5 was not correct
15:31.58fulldisclosurenow works with no problem in the normal system
15:32.02fulldisclosureBor_Ed: some idea?
15:32.19Bor_Edkernel version difference probably swaps some device names
15:32.38fulldisclosureI fixed it before installing yaboot with the /dev/hda3 mounted /etc/yaboot.conf copied to my live system and then install from it
15:32.44fulldisclosureok
15:33.08fulldisclosurebut I was in the system with chroot
15:33.09fulldisclosureso... ¿?
15:33.15fulldisclosureah, kernel sorry
15:33.38Bor_Edyou're welcome :o
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15:40.56fulldisclosureuh
15:41.00fulldisclosureBor_Ed:
15:41.04fulldisclosureare you there?
15:41.09Bor_Edkinda
15:41.13fulldisclosureis weird..
15:41.23fulldisclosureI cant execute Eterm and now Y have /dev/pty*
15:41.52fulldisclosurefulldisclosure@wildbook:/usr/src/qc-usb/qc-usb-0.6.3$ Eterm
15:41.52fulldisclosureEterm:  Error:  Can't open pseudo-tty -- No existe el fichero o el directorio
15:41.53fulldisclosureEterm:  Error:  Unable to run sub-command.
15:43.02Bor_Edno idea really... maybe the device name has changed
15:43.46fulldisclosureI created now with MAKEDEV
15:51.35fulldisclosureEn el fichero incluído de /usr/src/mol/mol-0.9.70/src/kmod/build/tmp-offsets.c:16:
15:51.38fulldisclosure/usr/src/mol/mol-0.9.70/src/kmod/build/mol_config.h:52:22: autoconf.h: No existe el fichero o el directorio
15:51.44fulldisclosureBor_Ed: do you use mol?
15:51.51Bor_Ednope
15:51.53fulldisclosureok
15:51.59fulldisclosureI have that error while compiling
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17:55.28suposis there a way of installing debian on an oldworld powerbook (specifically a g3 series wallstreet) without a Mac OS partition?
17:55.44Bor_Edwith some luck, yup
17:56.01Bor_Edyou need to use quik bootloader to pull the trick
17:56.46suposhmm, I read something about that and the conclusion was that it was pretty much crap
17:57.04Bor_Edit isn't, it's just pita to get running :)
17:57.22Bor_Edsimonraven.nuit.ca has some hints though on OF settings and such
17:57.37thebugwell, guess what you get on oldworld g3 if you don't want bootx ...
17:57.43suposcool, will look into that
17:58.11thebug@info quik
17:58.20Bor_Edthebug: at least beige g3 'works' with quik on scsi disks... ide otoh is completely different thingy :P
17:58.26thebugI see to have forgotten how to work ravenbird
17:58.29thebugheh
17:58.45Bor_Ed@+quik
17:58.45ravenbirdi heard quik is the primary bootloader for OldWorld PowerMacs. at http://penguinppc.org/projects/quik, or see ng for OldWorld Powerbook G3s
17:58.48thebughaven't had the "pleasure" of having to use quik ... I only have either m68k or newworld ppc
17:58.56thebugno oldworld ppc macs
17:59.05Bor_EdI've had... and use bootx on every box nowadays
17:59.28suposthebug: m68k are the _really_ old ones, right?
17:59.41thebuganything that's mac and not powerpc
18:00.24thebugNeXT are m68k as well, among other things ... miggy's are m68k too
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18:00.45Bor_Edand ataris... like anyone would care about 'em
18:00.46suposthebug: I see. I also got an old Powerbook 160 along with the g3 series one. Been thinking of putting netBSD on that one
18:01.07thebugthat's -definitely- m68k
18:01.16thebugit's an '030
18:01.36supos25 mhz with a whopping 10 megs of ram :) Screens a bit dodgy though
18:02.03Bor_Ed10M max... 2M usually shipped
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18:02.30Riondahello
18:02.30thebugbut it's 32bit clean, which is a good step
18:02.36thebuglooks like 14MB max actually
18:02.46suposyeah, 14M max
18:02.58Bor_Edhmm, recalled wrong :I
18:03.12Riondaanyone with patched orinoco drivers?
18:03.18thebug"patched" ?
18:03.32Bor_Edprobably most ibook users, and the driver is called 'airport'
18:03.59demonmy powerbook G3 uses the airport driver, and it works perfectly
18:04.04thebugah, i have a real orinoco card, and the normal drivers work fine, so "patched orinoco" doesn't parse for me :)
18:04.18demonI actually use the orinoco 0.15rc2 driver pack so I get BSS scanning and such
18:04.34Riondademon: does it work with kismet and similar tools?
18:04.47demonyeah
18:04.54Riondathx
18:05.19RiondaI actually use 0.14 or something similar, but cannot get my card connected to the wireless repeater
18:05.39Riondait connects to the ap
18:06.01thebugmy card itself (or maybe it's just the drivers in -every- os) can't connect to non-SSID-broadcasting APs, even if it has been told the name/wep key
18:06.49Riondamine can, but instead of connecting to the neareast wireless repeater, it connects to the "far" AP
18:09.46Bor_Edhttp://zerokarma.homeunix.org/~cuervo/hacks/view.shtml?goatseap/goatseap.pldoc decent setup for own AP if you have one :)
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18:35.43mirakhi
18:35.56mirakhi
18:36.16mirakwould an ATX power supply fit in a G3 b&w ?
18:36.55Bor_Ed'fit'... possibly, work, if you jumper the logic board to use pc power supply
18:39.39mirakhum I didnt though about that
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18:40.03mirakjumper  ?
18:40.20Bor_Edat least beige g3 has jumper to select apple/pc psu
18:40.34mirakoh intersting
18:40.42Bor_Edb&w is basically the same board so I'd guess the jumper is there too
18:40.44mirakthe plug is the same ?
18:40.48Bor_Edyea
18:40.59mirakit's antec true 330
18:41.19mirakIn fact she died, and it's still under fabricant waranty
18:41.30Bor_EdI have good ol' (t)rusty apple psu on this baby
18:41.34mirakso but the shipping cost is around 20 euros
18:41.44mirakmine still works
18:42.10mirakbut I was thinking in case it dies
18:42.26miraksince I run the mac 24/7
18:42.37mirakI think maybe one day it will cram or something
18:42.43Bor_Edat least beige has the jumper... lowendmacs.com had the link for the hack
18:44.04mirakalso I am intersted in one thing
18:44.14mirakthis mac have a rage 128
18:44.28mirakit's supposed to have hardware mpeg2 decompression
18:44.38mirakI wondering how to use that with linux
18:44.41mirakam
18:45.29Bor_Edhaven't tested that in action here... mplayer, ogle and such might have the support but not sure
18:46.13mirakbecause I can't play dvd
18:46.16mirakwith this cpu
18:46.45Bor_EdI can play even divx's on this g3/233 on mplayer
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19:29.34Riondacan anyone do a "iwconfig ethX ap 1:2:3:4:" or does it say "operation not supported" to everybody?
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19:35.43Bor_Edattack of the finns :o
19:35.51os2finnyeah :)
19:36.04Q-FUNKbra
19:36.12Bor_Edjätte
19:36.17os2finn:D
19:36.28os2finnen j„ttefin raggarbil :)
19:36.41Q-FUNKheh
19:36.45Bor_Edmmm, jag tycker om det
19:38.46Q-FUNKBor_Ed: you remember that bloody suomi.com ISP i used to be with?
19:40.04Bor_Edyea
19:40.10Q-FUNKI was supposed to have a 512k/1m connection, back then.  Now, get this:  this 256k/256k connection I just got from Sonera actually gives me better throughput!
19:40.43Bor_EdI have now 512/512 from elisa and this is ~8 times faster than 256/256 from netikka ... go figure
19:41.06Bor_Edoh, and 3 weeks uptime without a single glitch
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19:41.38Q-FUNKI used to get 100k transfer rate from ftp.fi.debian.org on that 512k/1m connection.  now, on a supposedly _slower_ connection (256k/256k), I get about 300 ~ 400k transfer rate.
19:42.28Bor_EdI get 440-480kb/s on this one and old gave 100-160
19:43.51Q-FUNKthat somehow leads me to beleive that one simply doesn't quite get the transfer rate they pay for.  thye get whatever the ISP's router was configured for.
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19:47.22Bor_Edrouter is linux box with correct settings and card on my occasion for both isps :D
19:47.55Q-FUNKon your what??
19:48.23Bor_Ednetikka and elisa connects
19:51.20Q-FUNKyour occasion?
19:51.38Bor_Edmy case... or whatever
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20:00.29Q-FUNKah
20:00.34Q-FUNKyes, same here.
20:02.42Bor_Edstill don't get it why this 512/512 is said to be a broadband... afaik broadband is 2M/768k and up :o
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