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| 04:22.20 | jrr | hey, uh, i've got a floppy stuck in my drive |
| 04:22.23 | jrr | how can i eject it? |
| 04:22.38 | jrr | they simplified the interface by removing the eject button |
| 04:23.32 | jrr | ah-ha! the paper clip! |
| 04:33.58 | damog | heh |
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| 05:32.09 | deadcat | damn. my ibook bat is showing 7:32 hour left, then just down to 6:22; now back to 7:29 hehe |
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| 12:08.47 | tarzeau | i have a worgroup server 7350. and i can enter the open firmware |
| 12:08.59 | tarzeau | i just can't find out what is the command to boot from cd-rom |
| 12:10.10 | tarzeau | could boot scsi-int/sd@3:,\ work? |
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| 12:45.23 | Bor_Ed | holding down the C key after boing will do, though it won't boot any cd except the mac os ones |
| 12:45.54 | Q-FUNK | normal el torito too |
| 12:46.22 | Bor_Ed | Q-FUNK: isn't that an oldworld box ? |
| 12:46.28 | Q-FUNK | oh |
| 12:46.30 | Q-FUNK | right |
| 12:46.30 | tarzeau | Bor_Ed: aha |
| 12:46.31 | Q-FUNK | yes |
| 12:46.42 | tarzeau | Bor_Ed: the thing is devalias doesn't show me "cd" |
| 12:46.56 | tarzeau | i have to create floppies or netboot? |
| 12:47.06 | Bor_Ed | it usually doesn't mind a bit... such boxen have pretty buggy OF anyway |
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| 12:56.56 | tarzeau | CHRP=? |
| 12:57.20 | thebug | common hardware reference platform |
| 12:57.21 | Bor_Ed | *nix ppc and power arch |
| 12:57.27 | Bor_Ed | and that too |
| 12:57.33 | tarzeau | is my apple workgroup server 7350 such one? |
| 12:57.40 | Bor_Ed | nope |
| 12:57.46 | Bor_Ed | it's powermac |
| 12:57.52 | tarzeau | ah ok |
| 13:01.22 | Bor_Ed | http://www.apple-history.com/frames/7350.html ... |
| 13:01.45 | Bor_Ed | pretty dead old but still pretty usefull box |
| 13:02.01 | thebug | at least it's not a 601 |
| 13:02.18 | Bor_Ed | what's wrong with 601 ? :D just sold yesterday one at 20 eur :D |
| 13:03.17 | thebug | other than being a horribly slow, buggy piece of crap, nothing I guess |
| 13:04.04 | thebug | but, excellent that you sold one for 20 EUR |
| 13:04.17 | tarzeau | the mac ejects my floppy :( |
| 13:04.32 | thebug | try another floppy ... OFW is really picky about floppies |
| 13:04.46 | tarzeau | thebug: the floppy is good, i've superformatted it |
| 13:05.19 | tarzeau | would netboot be easier? |
| 13:05.39 | thebug | does ofw on those support netboot? |
| 13:06.04 | tarzeau | i have no idea, i see some enet: stuff |
| 13:06.09 | thebug | if it does, netboot is fairly easy (especially if you've -ever- done any variety of it before) |
| 13:06.10 | tarzeau | i would just like to install debian on it |
| 13:06.30 | tarzeau | i've netbooted sparc, mips, newworld powerpc, i386 and hppa |
| 13:06.38 | thebug | then you're golden |
| 13:06.38 | tarzeau | and alpha! |
| 13:07.21 | tarzeau | http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.powerpc/ch05s01.html they talk about boot-floppy-hfs.img |
| 13:07.27 | tarzeau | but i can't find that. only boot.img |
| 13:07.43 | tarzeau | should i try BootX ? |
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| 13:08.07 | Q-FUNK | thebug: impressive |
| 13:08.28 | thebug | it's pretty easy |
| 13:09.02 | thebug | if I get something that needs netboot, I'll tell my router's DHCPd to ignore that machine, and then I add whatever details I need to get it going to the netboot server |
| 13:13.38 | tarzeau | thebug: can you help me get going netboot my mac? |
| 13:13.46 | tarzeau | http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-powerpc/rc3/images/powerpc/ |
| 13:13.51 | tarzeau | i want netboot or netboot-minimal ? |
| 13:13.52 | thebug | I guess ... I've never netbooted oldworld |
| 13:14.02 | tarzeau | i have a machine that runs dhcp3-server and tftpd |
| 13:14.18 | tarzeau | how do i find out the mac address on the mac? is that possible/ |
| 13:14.23 | thebug | I figure, just go with netboot not netboot-minimal |
| 13:15.18 | tarzeau | ok , let me set that up first |
| 13:15.22 | thebug | hmm |
| 13:15.26 | tarzeau | how would i tell the mac to netboot? just boot enet: ? |
| 13:16.10 | thebug | that'd be my guess, but I'm trying to find docs on it ATM |
| 13:16.29 | tarzeau | http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-powerpc/rc3/images/powerpc/netboot/ |
| 13:16.38 | tarzeau | i'll skip 2.4 and all the vmlinux-* right? |
| 13:17.10 | thebug | I'm not 100% sure what you need |
| 13:17.16 | thebug | give me a couple of minutes to dig :) |
| 13:20.38 | tarzeau | ok thanks |
| 13:20.54 | thebug | try this |
| 13:20.56 | thebug | dev enet |
| 13:20.59 | thebug | .properties |
| 13:21.06 | thebug | see if that gives you the MAC addy |
| 13:21.13 | tarzeau | ok let me do that |
| 13:21.39 | thebug | that might be OFW3 specific |
| 13:21.48 | tarzeau | i have firmwar 1.0.5 or so |
| 13:21.56 | thebug | oi, that's old old old |
| 13:22.14 | tarzeau | is that upgradable without getting new hardware? |
| 13:22.24 | tarzeau | i've done an upgrade of my ultra2 firmware |
| 13:22.27 | tarzeau | via netboot :) |
| 13:22.53 | thebug | sun ultra anything are a lot nicer about firmware upgrades than oldworld macs of any variety |
| 13:23.30 | tarzeau | yeah i noticed |
| 13:23.45 | tarzeau | i've seen that netbsd of patch thingy, very complicated |
| 13:24.07 | tarzeau | i even had some time to figure the tool to set ofw to display on the local monitor, eat input from kbd |
| 13:24.13 | thebug | netbsd has nice, full instructions on how to netboot-install netbsd on oldworld ppc |
| 13:24.27 | thebug | that's actually what i'm poking through right now |
| 13:31.30 | thebug | tarzeau: this might have some hints, even if the guy reporting it is having issues |
| 13:31.34 | thebug | http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2005/05/msg00066.html |
| 13:33.52 | thebug | and this |
| 13:33.57 | thebug | http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/woody/main/disks-powerpc/current/doc/ch-install-methods.en.html |
| 13:34.18 | tarzeau | got it! |
| 13:34.23 | thebug | excellent |
| 13:34.30 | tarzeau | the mac address i mean |
| 13:38.01 | thebug | but the OFW command you're looking for to book off of the network will be something like this |
| 13:38.14 | thebug | boot enet:,<filename> |
| 13:39.20 | tarzeau | how do i find out the <filename> ? it is 1.2.3.4:/tftpboot/macoldworld/vmlinux for example? |
| 13:39.50 | thebug | try vmlinuz-coff.initrd |
| 13:40.16 | thebug | -ppcbug is for motorola powerstack, and I think you can figure out what -prep and -chrp are for |
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| 13:41.18 | tarzeau | ok let me try that |
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| 14:14.28 | tarzeau | thebug: hmm i tried net booting |
| 14:14.47 | tarzeau | but it starts to animage /|\- then gives me some register output and DEFAULT CATCH! |
| 14:15.18 | thebug | oops |
| 14:15.21 | tarzeau | the vmlinux one tells me TFTPBOOT NOT FOUND or so, the -coff one starts transfering but stops |
| 14:16.00 | tarzeau | i absolutely hate apple now |
| 14:16.15 | thebug | it's just your crappy old OFW |
| 14:16.37 | tarzeau | i see, i've got two other oldworld macs in the cellar here... i could look at them |
| 14:16.39 | thebug | far fewer problems with OFW3 |
| 14:16.45 | tarzeau | i see and ofw2? |
| 14:17.20 | thebug | better than ofw1, worse than ofw2? |
| 14:19.14 | thebug | not sure where to go from there tarzeau |
| 14:22.23 | tarzeau | ok thnks |
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| 14:43.18 | tarzeau | ok gave up, oldworld sucks |
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| 14:54.29 | thebug | tried bootx or somesuch? |
| 14:59.33 | tarzeau | no i haven't |
| 14:59.42 | tarzeau | should i? it just seems to boot linux from harddisk |
| 14:59.50 | tarzeau | but the harddisk is fully mac os, 8gb |
| 15:02.16 | thebug | hmm |
| 15:02.23 | thebug | you might be able to do it as a one-shot deal |
| 15:02.49 | thebug | (boot the kernel + initrd and use that to blow away the whole hard drive and load it with quik+linux) |
| 15:04.42 | tarzeau | but |
| 15:04.47 | tarzeau | it's an egg/chicken |
| 15:04.50 | tarzeau | i mean i'm in mac os |
| 15:04.57 | tarzeau | WAIT bootX can boot linux from cdrom? |
| 15:05.12 | thebug | if you install bootx on the harddrive along with a kernel+initrd |
| 15:05.14 | tarzeau | or i put the kernel onto mac os partition and boot that? |
| 15:05.28 | tarzeau | kernel+initrd are in memory |
| 15:05.32 | thebug | you can boot into linux using bootx and erase the harddrive and install linux |
| 15:05.38 | tarzeau | and i partition my disk, and install from network? |
| 15:05.47 | tarzeau | hmmm i can try that... |
| 15:06.08 | thebug | if you use an install initrd that has all that (all should?), sure |
| 15:06.19 | thebug | like I said, it's kind of a one-shot deal if you do that |
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| 15:08.30 | tarzeau | i can try that |
| 15:09.05 | thebug | if you have macos cds, it's an 'as many shot deal as you want to try' situation |
| 15:17.03 | tarzeau | yeah we have some |
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| 16:02.12 | fluor- | hi there |
| 16:02.56 | fluor- | I want to have video-out on an iBook G4 work - does that still require installing a patch xfree86 version? |
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| 16:09.38 | fulldisclosure | hi |
| 16:09.47 | fulldisclosure | somebody here have a G3 900 with DVD? |
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| 17:17.17 | fluor- | I want to have video-out on an iBook G4 work - does that still require installing a patch xfree86 version? |
| 17:24.10 | mort | fluor-: I think so. I tried once and didn't made more than 320x240 or so. |
| 17:25.27 | fluor- | mort: ok |
| 17:25.34 | fluor- | following instructions on http://seb.france.free.fr/linux/ibookG4/iBookG4-howto-5.html#ss5.6 right now |
| 17:25.37 | fluor- | but they're old |
| 17:35.28 | mort | fluor-: hmm, the version numbers confuse me. The tutorial is talking about the iBook 3.3, where does that number come from? |
| 17:36.04 | mort | fluor-: cpuinfo says I own a PowerBook6,5 but that is the motherboard version, afaik. |
| 17:38.22 | mort | fluor-: also, those dri-trunk things probably depend on packages from unstable and I run sarge |
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| 19:36.08 | Bor_Ed | * Received a CTCP VERSION from freenode-connect |
| 19:36.10 | Bor_Ed | wtf ? :o |
| 19:37.24 | jaska | some stats collector :( |
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| 19:38.45 | Bor_Ed | yea, noticed on /whois |
| 19:39.17 | jaska | how evil :P |
| 19:39.31 | Bor_Ed | yea, pretty much like proxyscan on pantynet |
| 19:39.36 | jaska | my version reply is erm... non-informative |
| 19:39.46 | Bor_Ed | mine doesn't exist |
| 19:39.47 | jaska | CTCP VERSION reply from jaska: sih sah silakat huutaa suolla |
| 19:40.01 | Bor_Ed | mmmm |
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| 20:15.45 | simonrvn | CTCP VERSION reply from simonrvn: Bugger off. Go play your stupid k1dd13 games elsewhere. Do that again and I'll sic badgers and cougars on you. |
| 20:21.41 | Bor_Ed | CTCP VERSION reply from Bor_Ed: |
| 20:21.57 | Bor_Ed | usually privstop message but I forgot to load the thingy :) |
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| 20:30.24 | tarzeau | anyone join #bub-n-bros to network play http://bub-n-bros.sf.net ? |
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| 20:31.48 | Bor_Ed | hmmm, I pretty much doubt :o |
| 20:32.06 | simonrvn | yeh.. like what? |
| 20:32.22 | simonrvn | heh |
| 20:36.20 | Bor_Ed | the advertising |
| 20:39.36 | simonrvn | oh, it's an expression here "like what?" meaning "like WTF?" |
| 20:40.04 | Bor_Ed | I kinda knew... just wasn't 100% shure |
| 20:41.45 | simonrvn | np :) |
| 20:42.07 | Bor_Ed | well, too much beer and too weird impression :P |
| 20:42.25 | simonrvn | heh |
| 20:42.54 | Bor_Ed | hey, the dude I sold my 8200/120 prolly will come here 'soon', he's already tired to mockos :D |
| 20:43.30 | simonrvn | woke up too fucked up again. my sleep schedule is off again. i'll get back into a groove though. got up about 0.5-1 hour ago, and it's 16:43 localtime |
| 20:43.40 | simonrvn | hah. cool |
| 20:43.49 | simonrvn | so he wants linux on it? :) |
| 20:43.59 | Bor_Ed | I need to wake up for work at ~5 am and it's midnite here |
| 20:44.12 | simonrvn | oi. get some sleep then |
| 20:44.12 | Bor_Ed | he's getting pretty much every ppc linux install medium he can find |
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| 20:44.39 | simonrvn | ok. i had the least difficulty with ubuntu - didn't have a sarge cd for x86 |
| 20:44.41 | Bor_Ed | I just have to finish the bottle I have lying on the table and after that it's time for some Z |
| 20:44.47 | simonrvn | ok |
| 20:45.08 | Bor_Ed | ubuntu ? for 601/120 with 64M ram ? :o |
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| 20:46.09 | simonrvn | would've installed sarge if i had one, but this way i get to try out ubuntu... if only my mouse would work on the x86 though (it's a different box now, p2/350, with 128 mb ram, and a tnt2 riva agp card) |
| 20:47.00 | Bor_Ed | it's prolly a kernel issue... I had such on deb/x86 on ppro... buggr didn't like a bit of ps/2 mouse on riser card |
| 20:47.32 | simonrvn | tried a serial mouse, and this is a ps2 mouse. i don't get it. both didn't "register" |
| 20:47.52 | Bor_Ed | try usb one |
| 20:48.27 | simonrvn | yeh, if i can get one, was my thought just now, to try an usb one |
| 20:49.03 | Bor_Ed | 4-8 eur... prolly close to that for noname in there too (as cdn :) |
| 20:49.17 | Bor_Ed | anyway, time to set mode to Z |
| 20:49.31 | simonrvn | something like that. i'll check out the store near here. g'night |
| 20:49.50 | simonrvn | i'll go see now |
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| 22:25.33 | simonrvn | i think i had to enable it in the bios... |
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| 22:43.19 | BleSS | do you have this file: :: ls /usr/share/zoneinfo/zone.tab :: ? |
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| 22:47.07 | simonrvn | yes |
| 22:47.50 | BleSS | thx |
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