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| 05:53.45 | i386 | Hey, Anyone here have one of those nice CRT Apple Studio Displays? |
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| 07:09.29 | simonrvn | hi |
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| 07:18.09 | kev009 | can anyone help me get Deb to run on an IBM RS/6000 43p? |
| 07:19.02 | simonrvn | right time of day to ask that, most of the people that know (besides the install guide) are asleep |
| 07:19.07 | simonrvn | not right time* |
| 07:19.13 | kev009 | ok |
| 07:19.24 | kev009 | I'm sure I'd have no trouble with the install |
| 07:19.30 | simonrvn | ask in about 4-5 hours |
| 07:19.35 | kev009 | but getting it to boot right is another story |
| 07:19.36 | simonrvn | @sarge install guide |
| 07:19.37 | ravenbird_ | go see http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ for the install guide. http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.powerpc/index.html |
| 07:19.49 | simonrvn | just in case you need to know where it is |
| 07:19.57 | kev009 | been there, done that :-( |
| 07:20.14 | simonrvn | ok |
| 07:20.18 | kev009 | and been to all the newsgroup postings and websites on the 43p |
| 07:20.39 | simonrvn | probably not much out there :| |
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| 08:01.51 | htaccess | what is yabooot? |
| 08:02.08 | htaccess | No NewWorld boot partiton was found |
| 08:03.03 | htaccess | The yaboot loader requires an Apple_Bootstrap partiton at least 819200 bytes in size, using the HFS Macintosh file system |
| 08:06.45 | simonrvn | yaboot is the newworld mac ppc bootloader. man yaboot |
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| 09:16.52 | Q-FUNK | 2.6.11.10 |
| 09:17.34 | Bor_Ed | Linux g3 2.6.11.10 #1 Thu May 19 14:32:27 EEST 2005 ppc GNU/Linux |
| 09:17.40 | Bor_Ed | pretty much the same :) |
| 09:42.23 | Q-FUNK | yah, but the topic is out of date |
| 09:42.58 | Bor_Ed | hmm, _a bit_ :) |
| 09:58.07 | Bor_Ed | buggr, 1GHz eden mini-itx board is 149 eur in here and 129 in uk |
| 10:01.51 | Q-FUNK | typical |
| 10:05.03 | Bor_Ed | still a bit cheaper than mai teron mini-itx board (3600 usd) |
| 10:06.15 | Bor_Ed | and suprisingly mai site is borked again... anyway, the board is same as used in micro-A1 |
| 10:07.17 | Bor_Ed | http://batman.jypoly.fi/~saku/lehti/online/uusi/testit/microa1os4.html info about the thingy in finnish |
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| 10:26.04 | Q-FUNK | coolness! only 17 RC bugs left on Sarge |
| 10:26.30 | rogerio | wow... I didn't see that... :-) |
| 10:26.33 | rogerio | really nice. |
| 10:26.51 | Q-FUNK | http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php?ignore=sid&ignhinted=on&ignmerged=on&ignoksarge=on&fullcomment=on&new=5 |
| 10:26.52 | simonrvn | won't be this weekend, but week after. i can live with that ;) |
| 10:26.54 | rogerio | Which should mean that the release is actually going to happen. :-) |
| 10:27.24 | Q-FUNK | yes. they have been working hard on closing remaining RC bugs this week. |
| 10:28.05 | Bor_Ed | nice, I finally can say then to my wife that she has 'stable' distro :P |
| 10:31.33 | Q-FUNK | the target release date would have been May 30th. |
| 10:31.44 | Q-FUNK | I think we are fairly close to it now. :) |
| 10:36.05 | Bor_Ed | well wasn't last one 'in december' ? :) |
| 10:37.01 | Q-FUNK | there was no actual detailed release plan back then, juust a wishful thinking deadline. |
| 10:37.10 | Q-FUNK | same thing for last september. |
| 10:37.11 | Bor_Ed | ahh |
| 10:37.27 | aba | Q-FUNK: actually, we're really near this time. |
| 10:37.31 | Bor_Ed | hey, when was woody initially released btw ? '01 ? |
| 10:37.47 | aba | there is exactly _one_ worring RC-bug, and some bits of docu polishing etc |
| 10:37.54 | Q-FUNK | during the DPL elections, candidates were asked to commit themelsves towards a release and to explain their plan. |
| 10:38.05 | Q-FUNK | june 2002 |
| 10:38.17 | Bor_Ed | so it's just 3 years since last release... not bad |
| 10:38.46 | Q-FUNK | same as potato-woody, iirc |
| 10:38.56 | aba | way too much |
| 10:39.11 | Q-FUNK | indeed |
| 10:39.14 | Bor_Ed | and other distros have at least yearly based release cycle :) |
| 10:39.17 | Q-FUNK | over 18 months is too much. |
| 10:39.29 | aba | well, 12-18 months is somehow goo |
| 10:39.31 | aba | +d |
| 10:41.03 | simonrvn | see ya |
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| 21:38.44 | Q-FUNK | re |
| 21:47.58 | simonrvn | re |
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| 21:48.49 | kev009 | Can anyone here help me get Debian running on an IBM RS/6000 43p? |
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| 21:50.56 | kev009 | Can anyone here help me get Debian running on an IBM RS/6000 43p? |
| 21:55.21 | Q-FUNK | simonrvn: I'm trying to find a way to evaluate whether an environmental variable is set or not, in a bourne script's if/then statement. any idea? |
| 21:56.11 | simonrvn | test for it, if it's empty or not. what, -z? need to check man test for the exact -foo |
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| 21:56.36 | simonrvn | if [ -z $FOO = "" ]; then |
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| 21:56.40 | simonrvn | or such |
| 21:57.16 | simonrvn | yeh, -z |
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| 21:58.47 | alberto__ | hi |
| 21:58.49 | alberto__ | someone therE? |
| 21:59.20 | simonrvn | no |
| 21:59.41 | simonrvn | *phzzzt* |
| 22:01.07 | kev009 | Can anyone here help me get Debian running on an IBM RS/6000 43p? |
| 22:03.07 | alberto__ | I am running debian in an ibook and the weird thing is that when I launch xserver I can see the pointer in a output vga in the monitor and if I go to a tty I see the tty in the monitor too |
| 22:03.11 | alberto__ | why? |
| 22:06.05 | simonrvn | uh, mirroring maybe? |
| 22:07.41 | alberto__ | but the XF86Config-4 is normal |
| 22:08.09 | alberto__ | indeed the graphics are not in monitor, only the pointer, but tty's seems ok |
| 22:09.54 | simonrvn | well, next question is: is that a problem for you? AFAICT, it's just a matter of having whatever you see shown twice. might be annoying though =) |
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| 22:10.37 | alberto__ | ? |
| 22:10.50 | alberto__ | yes, is a problem to dont know why this happens |
| 22:11.44 | simonrvn | i don't know ibooks very well, but some people would be happy to get actually see something on the external video connection ;) |
| 22:12.09 | _rene_ | yes :) |
| 22:12.34 | simonrvn | :) |
| 22:13.04 | alberto__ | I have xinerama in ubuntu |
| 22:13.11 | alberto__ | xinerama, cloned, dual, etc |
| 22:13.15 | _rene_ | oh, ubuntu? |
| 22:13.17 | kev009 | I'd be happy for a kernel not to crash half way through on my RS/6000 :-( |
| 22:13.19 | alberto__ | here xinerama crashes |
| 22:13.24 | _rene_ | then don't tell you use debian |
| 22:13.31 | simonrvn | uh hunh/ but this isn't #ubuntu or #ubuntu-ppc ;) |
| 22:13.34 | alberto__ | need to patch a non-debian xserver |
| 22:13.39 | alberto__ | simonrvn: why? |
| 22:13.49 | _rene_ | alberto__: this id #debianppc |
| 22:13.54 | simonrvn | because it isn't... |
| 22:13.57 | _rene_ | alberto__: not #ubuntuppc |
| 22:13.58 | alberto__ | simonrvn: if I want cloned I need a non-debian xserver |
| 22:14.01 | alberto__ | so is this a debian issue? |
| 22:14.11 | Q-FUNK | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:14.18 | alberto__ | xD |
| 22:14.20 | *** mode/#DebianPPC [+o simonrvn] by ChanServ |
| 22:14.33 | alberto__ | :? |
| 22:14.36 | *** topic/#DebianPPC by simonrvn -> Debian on PPC - think of it as a never-ending IQ test. | Want Linux 2.6? Use kernel.org or sid/sarge kernel-images; DON'T USE BENH 2.6 RSYNC | vers.: 2.6.11.11 | Wiki at tinyurl.com/2r8uc | New (2003+) PowerMacs with XFS HOWTO http://tinyurl.com/2s2os | Sarge frozen: http://tinyurl.com/a4mft | New penguinppc.org live! | pasting? /whois paster | ALSA bounty: http://tinyurl.com/3p4nm |
| 22:14.42 | *** mode/#DebianPPC [-o simonrvn] by ChanServ |
| 22:14.59 | alberto__ | debian cant give me a cloned display |
| 22:15.13 | _rene_ | right. |
| 22:15.15 | alberto__ | so, should I compile dri trunk xserver or use ubuntu xorg? |
| 22:15.17 | alberto__ | oh oh |
| 22:15.24 | alberto__ | with both ways, debian will be NOT PURe |
| 22:15.41 | alberto__ | :P |
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| 22:16.21 | _rene_ | that's because we still have xfree86 because chanhing such important stuff like X before a feeze is nonsense |
| 22:16.35 | _rene_ | of course, it will work once debian gets xorg |
| 22:16.48 | simonrvn | sure |
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| 22:17.07 | _rene_ | which will be done after sarge |
| 22:17.09 | simonrvn | afaik, that shouldn't be too long after sarge releases |
| 22:17.15 | _rene_ | yep |
| 22:17.44 | alberto__ | _rene_: for me that I _only_ have a small 12" ibook and need vga output in debian, is important to have xorg |
| 22:18.05 | _rene_ | I have also a 12" ibook, and you *can* get vga output under X |
| 22:18.11 | _rene_ | just not cloned :/ |
| 22:18.12 | alberto__ | because in other way I need to download xserver dri trunk source, patch it, and install, and remove debian xserver |
| 22:18.26 | alberto__ | _rene_: how do you get it? |
| 22:18.43 | simonrvn | well, i've used xorg from ubuntu, don't know about now, but i didn't have any serious package management issues. tried updating it, then i got some unresolvable conflicts, so i moved back to xfree |
| 22:19.05 | _rene_ | simonrvn: you need libs from experimental now, though |
| 22:19.27 | _rene_ | since the ubuntuians are gone crazy now and changed to g++ 4.0 as defaukt now |
| 22:19.54 | _rene_ | alberto__: remove UseFBDev. |
| 22:19.59 | simonrvn | yeh, that's probably why. nothing's built for ppc |
| 22:20.18 | _rene_ | alberto__: this only will take effect when you start X. the vga stuff has to be plugged in then |
| 22:20.31 | _rene_ | alberto__: and afterwards, you need to change the config again and restart X |
| 22:21.08 | alberto__ | I am in sarge, and I will not use ubuntu software, only -in ubuntu- |
| 22:21.14 | Q-FUNK | _rene_: i expect debian to use 4.0 also as soon as sarge is out |
| 22:21.21 | _rene_ | yes, but not *now* |
| 22:21.22 | alberto__ | debian with debian and ubuntu with ubuntu, no mix :P |
| 22:21.32 | _rene_ | Q-FUNK: now they are fricking incompatible |
| 22:21.56 | _rene_ | .oO ( fricking, uh. fucking I mean ) |
| 22:22.11 | alberto__ | _rene_: what x conf do you use? |
| 22:22.19 | alberto__ | can you send me please |
| 22:22.36 | _rene_ | sure. but it's a trivial one. not much additions |
| 22:23.14 | _rene_ | zyklop.dyndns.org/~rene/XF86Config-4 |
| 22:24.19 | _rene_ | well, the "ibook / de" layout is a addition. there's a patch in the BTS for that |
| 22:24.32 | alberto__ | _rene_: that XF is normal |
| 22:24.35 | alberto__ | no for output |
| 22:24.50 | _rene_ | alberto__: as I said. plain normal. didn't said anything other |
| 22:25.16 | alberto__ | you said that I can have output only changing "UseFBDev" xD |
| 22:25.19 | _rene_ | if you remove UseFBDev and restart X *while vga stuff is connected* you get vga output under x |
| 22:25.34 | _rene_ | same for going back |
| 22:25.39 | _rene_ | worked here. |
| 22:25.53 | _rene_ | (not for console, though, and not cloned, only external) |
| 22:26.05 | alberto__ | external? what that means? |
| 22:26.09 | alberto__ | only cloned, xinerama and dual |
| 22:26.17 | alberto__ | what kind of output do you mean? xD |
| 22:26.25 | _rene_ | only on monitor |
| 22:26.27 | _rene_ | not on LCD |
| 22:26.37 | _rene_ | external like external monitor |
| 22:26.52 | _rene_ | read. please. |
| 22:27.04 | _rene_ | and switch on your brain and read. |
| 22:27.12 | alberto__ | ah ok |
| 22:27.36 | _rene_ | oh, and use google |
| 22:27.49 | _rene_ | because I found this ugly trick also with google |
| 22:29.26 | alberto__ | _rene_: I am using google for this since years |
| 22:29.42 | alberto__ | I compiled xfree86 x dri trunk x server and xorg |
| 22:29.50 | alberto__ | with patches etc, |
| 22:29.57 | alberto__ | only for vga out pout :P |
| 22:30.28 | _rene_ | god, you can't read, can you? I just told you the trick. and this is written on various places on the net |
| 22:30.43 | _rene_ | and well, for dual-head/cloned/whatever you need xorg CVS, yes |
| 22:30.51 | _rene_ | didn't try that, though |
| 22:31.50 | alberto__ | I tried |
| 22:31.58 | alberto__ | and tried dri trunk too |
| 22:31.59 | alberto__ | :) |
| 22:32.26 | _rene_ | aww, go away |
| 22:32.46 | _rene_ | someone even wrote to debian-powerpc with working vga out with judaslinux |
| 22:32.48 | simonrvn | alberto__: please read what people tell you |
| 22:32.57 | simonrvn | last warning |
| 22:33.23 | _rene_ | and well, if you use debian it's just beither building xorg and configuring it right (google) |
| 22:33.31 | _rene_ | or doing what I said you already SOME TIMES |
| 22:33.44 | _rene_ | and now, welcome to my ignore list :) |
| 22:34.41 | alberto__ | _rene_: I DID |
| 22:34.54 | alberto__ | simonrvn: is he who didnt read me |
| 22:35.03 | alberto__ | 00:30 < _rene_> and well, for dual-head/cloned/whatever you need xorg CVS, yes |
| 22:35.07 | alberto__ | 00:31 < alberto__> I tried |
| 22:35.12 | alberto__ | I compiled xorg |
| 22:35.22 | alberto__ | I compiled all x servers there are |
| 22:35.37 | alberto__ | simonrvn: dont annoy me I am not talking you |
| 22:35.38 | alberto__ | :) |
| 22:35.43 | *** mode/#DebianPPC [+o simonrvn] by ChanServ |
| 22:35.46 | alberto__ | last warning |
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| 22:36.14 | alberto__ | ? |
| 22:36.16 | *** mode/#DebianPPC [+b *!*@62.175.86.82] by simonrvn |
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| 22:36.22 | simonrvn | go away |
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| 22:51.33 | Q-FUNK | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:31.03 | nusse | is this state-of-the-art kicking?:) |
| 23:35.26 | simonrvn | on this net =) |