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| 04:46.25 | Petro | Hi |
| 04:47.25 | Petro | I finally got my temp sensor to work on my iBook, how do I make a graph (taking the temp every couple of seconds) ? |
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| 08:31.23 | ioops | bonjour |
| 08:31.37 | ioops | hi :) |
| 08:31.46 | simonrvn | hi |
| 08:32.28 | Bor_Ed | lo |
| 08:32.54 | simonrvn | med |
| 08:33.06 | Bor_Ed | I'm a finn, what's yer excuse ? :D |
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| 09:10.42 | Bor_Ed | hmm, 29 days uptime on the server (took couple of days after the move when I managed to put that on) |
| 09:15.18 | simonrvn | my excuse is that i'm me |
| 09:15.21 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 09:15.46 | Bor_Ed | hehe |
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| 09:17.54 | simonrvn | all the cold-climate peoples are nuts anyway, didn't know that? |
| 09:18.16 | simonrvn | buncha nutters, we are |
| 09:18.30 | Bor_Ed | amen |
| 09:18.43 | Bor_Ed | hmm, just removed gcc 3.3 from the server :) |
| 09:18.44 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 09:18.50 | simonrvn | woohoo |
| 09:18.57 | simonrvn | and nothing bitched? cool |
| 09:19.00 | Bor_Ed | cleaning the disks again for a change |
| 09:19.10 | Q-FUNK | Bor_Ed: Debian switched to 3.4 for Sarge or...? |
| 09:19.14 | Bor_Ed | 603ev:/home/ari# apt-get --purge remove cpp-3.3 |
| 09:19.14 | Bor_Ed | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 09:19.14 | Bor_Ed | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 09:19.14 | Bor_Ed | The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 09:19.14 | Bor_Ed | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:19.15 | Bor_Ed | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:19.24 | Bor_Ed | I have sid on server and have had 3.4 there for ages |
| 09:19.43 | _rene_ | and you don't want to use g++ 3.3 built libs with g++ 3.4, really |
| 09:19.52 | _rene_ | they changed C++ ABI again |
| 09:19.56 | simonrvn | 3.4 works better on ppc anyway. i've managed to build things with 3.4 that i couldn't with 3.3 |
| 09:20.06 | Bor_Ed | I've noticed the same on desktop |
| 09:20.14 | _rene_ | just let it there until Debian gets 4.0 per default |
| 09:20.23 | _rene_ | otherwise you'll get interesting compile problems |
| 09:20.33 | simonrvn | (well, more like the porject probably used 3.4, but whatever) |
| 09:20.36 | simonrvn | pro* |
| 09:20.36 | Q-FUNK | will most probably happen during Etch. |
| 09:20.46 | _rene_ | yep. will. |
| 09:20.54 | Bor_Ed | hehe, desktop box would remove X and pretty much everything else too if I remove 3.3 :P |
| 09:21.00 | _rene_ | hi Q-FUNK btw, I'll come to HEL btw |
| 09:21.07 | aba | we'll release etch in 12-18 months from now |
| 09:21.11 | Q-FUNK | _rene_: coolness! :) |
| 09:21.22 | simonrvn | exactly. if you have gnome anything and drop 'gcc', it'll whine... |
| 09:21.36 | simonrvn | (for the cpp dep) |
| 09:21.37 | _rene_ | X also needs cpp iirc |
| 09:21.38 | _rene_ | somehow |
| 09:21.46 | simonrvn | yeh, think so too |
| 09:22.31 | Bor_Ed | yup |
| 09:22.49 | Q-FUNK | yeah, the x fonts directory maker. |
| 09:23.00 | simonrvn | mkfontsdir |
| 09:23.03 | simonrvn | or such |
| 09:23.10 | Q-FUNK | yup |
| 09:23.32 | simonrvn | s/s// |
| 09:24.00 | Bor_Ed | I have 456M used and 88M of that is my personal data... not bad for server install :) |
| 09:24.26 | simonrvn | yeh, nice |
| 09:25.30 | Bor_Ed | maybe I should put debian mini iso to share on bt with that luxurous space I have left :) |
| 09:26.20 | simonrvn | heh |
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| 11:46.52 | Bor_Ed | hmm, sarge has new X build _again_ |
| 11:47.19 | aba | Bor_Ed: yes, but that was the last one :) |
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| 12:38.31 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: that is nice |
| 12:39.46 | Q-FUNK | Bor_Ed: yes it does. -13 was rathe broken. |
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| 13:00.22 | chipi | hi |
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| 13:44.53 | blacking | hello |
| 13:45.31 | blacking | does anyone how can i search my dispositive usb with Open Firmware?? |
| 14:09.44 | ErRandir | sparc has probe-scsi-all, never tried it on ppc |
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| 14:53.30 | ErRandir | can M$ still access my USB stick if I put a PPC partition map on it? |
| 15:02.23 | _rene_ | I'd guess no |
| 15:02.56 | _rene_ | because M$ is shit and doesn't know it. same as they don't know extX, hfs, etc |
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| 15:03.53 | ErRandir | need my CV on that stick, just in case... |
| 15:19.14 | demon | windows won't understand a memstick with a mac partition map on it, no |
| 15:19.22 | demon | it'll ask if you want to format it |
| 15:20.02 | demon | because these things don't exist until unca bill says they do |
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| 15:32.05 | dj-death | how to boot from cdrom on powerbook G4 ? |
| 15:32.33 | dj-death | press c at boot ? |
| 15:33.06 | Bor_Ed | yup |
| 15:33.56 | dj-death | ok thx |
| 15:37.32 | Bor_Ed | hmm, my cell has 53.6kbps downstream on service |
| 15:39.09 | Bor_Ed | 14.4kbps upstream :D |
| 15:42.30 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: me too, i think |
| 15:45.33 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: wonderful connection for bus, train (at the moment), automobile, cafe, park... |
| 15:53.34 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: latency is sometimes annoying feature in remote shells |
| 15:55.36 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: EDGE or UMTS will supposedly not change that |
| 16:18.17 | Q-FUNK | ErRandir: make a normal VFAT filesystem on the stick. it will work in all OS. |
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| 16:30.55 | Bor_Ed | http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-kernel&m=111775021327595&w=2 too bad ppc32 isn't on the list |
| 16:31.39 | Bor_Ed | pahartik: I only surf and irc over gprs with j2me apps, it's way enough for me until I get pda or lappie |
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| 16:34.31 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: i have never tried those |
| 16:34.41 | ErRandir | Q-FUNK: i want to boot from the stick from OF |
| 16:35.06 | Q-FUNK | ErRandir: partition it? |
| 16:36.08 | ErRandir | what kind of partition map: x86, PPC, sparc ? |
| 16:38.35 | Q-FUNK | hm |
| 16:38.51 | Q-FUNK | x86 but thne does OF support that |
| 16:45.54 | ErRandir | doubt it, but can try |
| 16:47.07 | Q-FUNK | I think that _rene_ said it well when he said that ยต$ doesn't support anyone else's standards. |
| 16:51.45 | ErRandir | yeah, i may just need 2 sticks because of that @$ crap |
| 16:52.40 | _rene_ | but that's unfortunately true for Mac OS X |
| 16:53.17 | _rene_ | s/X/X, too/ |
| 16:58.18 | Q-FUNK | heh |
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| 17:07.58 | Bor_Ed | hmm, I have something really weird going on with the gfx... everything is yellowish on both mockos and linux (console and X) and xchat colors are corrupted |
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| 18:23.27 | gnusosa | hi |
| 18:23.39 | Bor_Ed | evening |
| 18:27.15 | gnusosa | does anyone here knows how to get wpa on airport card |
| 18:27.29 | gnusosa | ?? |
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| 18:32.41 | gnusosa | anyone?? |
| 18:33.18 | Bor_Ed | tried googling yet ? |
| 18:33.51 | Bor_Ed | it's been over 6 years since I used wlans and then there even wasn't such thing as wpa |
| 18:34.25 | gnusosa | yeah actually i have read documentation and it seems wpa_supplicant doesnt have support for the airport driver |
| 18:34.49 | gnusosa | sorry for my bad english i dont happen to practice that much |
| 18:35.34 | Bor_Ed | my english isn't one from the best ones either but that doesn't stop me :) |
| 18:36.23 | Bor_Ed | airport is basically lucent/orinoco pcmcia driver afaik with some apple extras... you might want to google for those too |
| 18:37.43 | gnusosa | yeah i know but lucent and orinoco are not somehow supported by wpa_supplicant |
| 18:38.18 | Bor_Ed | hmm, I see |
| 18:38.37 | Bor_Ed | airport probably won't work either then |
| 18:39.04 | gnusosa | they are supported but on pcmcia card with hermes wich is the case but with another company |
| 18:39.21 | gnusosa | guess i am gonna have to stick to USB wcard |
| 18:40.05 | Bor_Ed | yea, if that's one that works |
| 18:40.48 | ioops | gnusosa, http://sourceforge.net/projects/linux-bcom4301/ |
| 18:41.28 | gnusosa | ooo thx for that |
| 18:41.36 | gnusosa | guess i am gonna check it out thx alot |
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| 19:22.06 | Q-FUNK | great! in 24 hours from now, the symbolic link for stable will point to sarge. tonight is the last time that sarge is testing. |
| 19:22.18 | Petro | w00t |
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| 19:22.29 | Petro | when's xorg coming along though, and KDE 3.4 |
| 19:22.42 | Q-FUNK | in 2.5 years from now. |
| 19:23.03 | Petro | In unstable?! I hope not, or I'm switching to Gentoo |
| 19:23.26 | Q-FUNK | s/gentoo/ubuntu |
| 19:23.29 | Bor_Ed | naa, xorg and kde3.4 will go to unstable 'in december' |
| 19:23.32 | Petro | My graphics card is only supported by xorg, so I've been putting up with no games on debian |
| 19:23.45 | Petro | Christmas presents! |
| 19:23.59 | Bor_Ed | yea, just like stable sarge was for 3 years |
| 19:24.13 | Petro | But this is different |
| 19:24.26 | Q-FUNK | x.org for debian already exists in cvs. as soon as sarge is released, it will repleace xfree86 in unstable. |
| 19:24.35 | Bor_Ed | xorg will drop to sid in couple of weeks after stable sarge release |
| 19:24.39 | Petro | omfg I just can't wait |
| 19:24.51 | Q-FUNK | at the same time, we will get the new libc and gcc 4 |
| 19:25.04 | Petro | I heard gcc 4 wasn't mature enough yet |
| 19:25.11 | Petro | or will it be -dev |
| 19:25.11 | Bor_Ed | gcc 4 has been available for a good while already |
| 19:25.32 | Petro | Is the new libc faster or what? |
| 19:26.31 | Petro | Completely off topic question: is the red light on optical mice and LED or a laser? |
| 19:26.39 | Q-FUNK | led |
| 19:26.44 | Bor_Ed | led |
| 19:26.54 | Bor_Ed | which emits IR range |
| 19:27.02 | Petro | Can you buy those to put in a comp for style points? |
| 19:27.32 | Bor_Ed | you can get any color leds nowadays from any electronics stores |
| 19:27.53 | Danamania | mostly LEDs, some lasers |
| 19:27.56 | Petro | google wins once more, I'm going to stuff my computer with them |
| 19:27.59 | Bor_Ed | blue and red seem to be most commonly used on computer hacks |
| 19:28.40 | Petro | http://www.ledsupply.com/l2-0-r5th20-1.html Yes well I'm different |
| 19:29.02 | Petro | One hundred of them! |
| 19:29.09 | Petro | for 45$ |
| 19:29.39 | Petro | My rooms going to be like a submarine in a movie, with red lights and stuff |
| 19:30.40 | Bor_Ed | :) |
| 19:30.42 | Petro | Back on topic: are the servers not going to be killed by testing => stable upgrade |
| 19:31.16 | Petro | Although I know of nobody who uses stable anyways |
| 19:31.19 | Bor_Ed | there will be jump from sarge to testing 'soon' and it might break some thingies up |
| 19:31.32 | Petro | I mean the d/l servers |
| 19:31.56 | Bor_Ed | ahh, I pretty much doung they'll have any probs |
| 19:32.50 | Petro | That would be great if debian took down the whole internet, a massive DoS caused by .debs |
| 19:33.23 | Bor_Ed | naa, just remember to use local mirror to keep the load down on main one |
| 19:34.18 | _rene_ | Petro: I do. many people do for servers |
| 19:34.33 | _rene_ | Petro: many companies even do for desktops. they need reliability |
| 19:34.42 | Bor_Ed | time to hit the sack... |
| 19:34.50 | Petro | testing has been pretty reliable for a while now |
| 19:35.03 | _rene_ | but didn't have security updates directly |
| 19:35.32 | _rene_ | and there were some moments even a few months ago where stuff in testing broke badly |
| 19:35.44 | Petro | true |
| 19:36.34 | Petro | Ok well last day of school tomorrow, good night |
| 19:36.43 | Q-FUNK | heh |
| 19:37.16 | _rene_ | cp -rav stable oldstable; vi oldstable/etc/apt/sources.list ;-) |
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| 19:43.31 | Q-FUNK | http://wiki.debian.net/?HowToGetABacktrace |
| 19:48.38 | simonrvn | ha, cool |
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| 21:30.40 | Anthro | Can anyone help me get DMA working on my internal IDE drive? I have a dual G4 tower and I'm running Debian's own kernel-image-2.6.11-powerpc-smp |
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| 22:48.59 | strat50s | hi |
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| 23:19.02 | Chad5118 | can i get some help installing on a powerPC |
| 23:19.56 | Chad5118 | hello? |
| 23:20.28 | simonrvn | there's an installation guide. |
| 23:20.35 | simonrvn | @sarge install guide |
| 23:20.37 | ravenbird | go see http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ for the install guide. http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.powerpc/index.html |
| 23:22.12 | Chad5118 | can't get to boot from or to a cd |
| 23:22.18 | Chad5118 | or floppy |
| 23:31.19 | Anthro | Can anyone help me get DMA working on my internal IDE drive? I have a dual G4 tower and I'm running Debian's own kernel-image-2.6.11-powerpc-smp |