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| 17:30.59 | Curalton | apple will switch to intel processors indeed - withing one year |
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| 17:35.15 | thebug | oop, looks like we're boned :/ |
| 17:36.18 | Curalton | x86 for teh win >.< |
| 17:36.48 | thebug | did they give a reason? |
| 17:37.47 | Curalton | not a big official one - " June 2006 will begin our Intel transition. By June 2007, we will be complete." |
| 17:38.05 | Curalton | seems the Mach-O arch will finally have a use |
| 17:38.10 | Curalton | or O-Mach? |
| 17:38.33 | thebug | I think it's the 3GHz pissing contest Jobs didn't win with IBM/Motorola |
| 17:38.38 | thebug | it's mach-o |
| 17:38.54 | Curalton | well, i only hope AMD gets its share of the hardware |
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| 17:42.47 | assassin | God damnit apple. Why did you have to go and kill something beautifull |
| 17:43.23 | Curalton | i only hope its at least AMD64 without too much legacy x86 junk |
| 17:46.58 | thebug | nope |
| 17:46.59 | thebug | P4 |
| 17:47.22 | thebug | it'd be nice if they stuck went with a 64-bit chip, but no |
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| 17:47.43 | thebug | they go for P4, which when it does have 64-bit will be a complete bolt-on job |
| 17:47.44 | Curalton | oh noes |
| 17:48.01 | Curalton | great, just great |
| 17:48.02 | thebug | oh wait, almost everything on a p4 is a bolt-on job |
| 17:48.08 | thebug | how could I forget ;) |
| 17:48.10 | Curalton | heh |
| 17:48.35 | Curalton | though seems ibm is to blame for screwing apple with their G5s |
| 17:49.00 | thebug | so let's see what were stuck here with now, if you want ppc |
| 17:49.10 | thebug | s/were/we're/ |
| 17:49.16 | thebug | OpenPOWER |
| 17:49.24 | thebug | (expensive) |
| 17:49.34 | thebug | Pegsus (ha) |
| 17:49.42 | thebug | or development boards |
| 17:49.49 | thebug | huzzah |
| 17:49.58 | Curalton | i wonder if i should sell my ibook now or what long enough and sell it for maybe more then |
| 17:50.59 | thebug | ...and I was thinking of getting a nice ibook later this summer :/ |
| 17:51.41 | pahartik | thebug: what seems to be holding you? |
| 17:51.58 | Curalton | my sister wanted to get one too and my parents a macmini |
| 17:52.03 | thebug | I was waiting until they updated them, like they did with with all of their other machines |
| 17:52.04 | Curalton | i think thats on hold now |
| 17:52.28 | thebug | and now, I'll not be getting anything from them until they figure out what the hell they're doing |
| 17:53.06 | Curalton | by 2007 the x86 transition is final they say |
| 17:53.51 | simonrvn | stupid move, IMO. a high velocity projectile has entered their walking appendage |
| 17:55.07 | thebug | now here's the question though: will it be a custom box, or can you install it on beigebox PCs ? |
| 17:55.26 | Curalton | yeh, tons of question.. will they port altivec alongside? |
| 17:55.36 | thebug | why would they 'port' altivec? |
| 17:55.37 | pahartik | thebug: (1) i go to store for computer... (2) if they only seem to have got wintels, i am not interested... |
| 17:55.50 | thebug | the P4 already has MMX and a couple flavors of SSE |
| 17:55.51 | Curalton | osxtel any better? :P |
| 17:55.58 | simonrvn | no |
| 17:56.03 | thebug | I doubt Intel would go for that |
| 17:56.11 | Q-FUNK | pahartik: the problem is that with apple no longer using ppc, there's almost no alternative left to wintel. |
| 17:56.24 | simonrvn | inhel, please |
| 17:56.25 | Curalton | thebug: i know, still all that has to be translated to the x86 equivalents |
| 17:56.25 | pahartik | Q-FUNK: well, sure |
| 17:56.55 | Q-FUNK | they should have at least chosen amd64, but now, silly jobs. |
| 17:57.15 | pahartik | Q-FUNK: maybe it is impossible to get portable computers soon |
| 17:57.47 | Curalton | well, the pentium m is not bad |
| 17:59.36 | Q-FUNK | portable non-intel, indeed. |
| 17:59.58 | Q-FUNK | especially now that transmeta also filed for bankrupcy. |
| 18:01.23 | Curalton | yeh |
| 18:01.41 | Curalton | well, i think it will be totally x86-300$ pc compatible |
| 18:02.09 | Curalton | so apple will become a mere software company and can build upon the existing pissed-of-with-windows hardware base |
| 18:03.04 | pahartik | Q-FUNK: maybe in about ten years i will have no computers and i have to figure out something else to do... maybe boozing more |
| 18:04.13 | Curalton | read all the books you ever wanted would be a bit more challenging maybe |
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| 18:05.28 | lixus | hello |
| 18:05.29 | Q-FUNK | become an organic farmer in the middle of nowhere, surrounded by a LOT of cute nubile girls. oh wait, they all do that. damn. |
| 18:05.59 | Curalton | hmm, anorganic farmer? |
| 18:06.11 | Curalton | grow... crystals! shiny! |
| 18:06.34 | lixus | what kernel image would I have to use on a powerbook G4 titanium ? kernel-image-2.6.11-power4 kernel-image-2.6.8-power3 or kernel-image-2.6.11-powerpc |
| 18:06.40 | Q-FUNK | organic farmer in an orgasmic state of polygamy. |
| 18:06.47 | Curalton | lixus: kernel-image-2.6.11-powerpc |
| 18:07.01 | Curalton | Q-FUNK: ahhh, ic |
| 18:07.01 | lixus | Curalton: thanks, but why |
| 18:07.08 | Curalton | power4 != powerpc |
| 18:07.16 | Curalton | nor power3 |
| 18:07.41 | lixus | Curalton: thanks, i assumed power4 stands for G4 |
| 18:07.57 | Curalton | no, g4 is a powerpc subarch |
| 18:08.01 | _rene_ | if you'd actually have read the package descriptions.... |
| 18:08.18 | simonrvn | powerpc |
| 18:08.36 | Q-FUNK | power86 :½ |
| 18:08.39 | lixus | _rene_: i did, but i am to stupid |
| 18:08.42 | simonrvn | ugh |
| 18:08.44 | Curalton | hmm, another reason for the x86 switch comes into mind: Digital Restciction Management |
| 18:08.54 | simonrvn | ugh |
| 18:09.00 | Curalton | now all "desktop oses" can be hardware dongled for the content mafia |
| 18:09.02 | Q-FUNK | I mean, this is _really_ gonna be a powerPC world soon. |
| 18:09.07 | Q-FUNK | damn Jobs. |
| 18:09.16 | piem | btw, any reason there are now kernel-headers-2.6.11-power[34]{,-smp} in unstable ? |
| 18:09.20 | simonrvn | fucking idiot, i think |
| 18:09.23 | Curalton | TCPA or whats-it-called for teh win! |
| 18:09.24 | piem | s/now/no/ |
| 18:10.13 | Curalton | NGSCB according to M$ atm, "Next Generation Secure Computing Base" |
| 18:11.04 | simonrvn | another attempt at invasion of privacy IOW |
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| 18:12.17 | Curalton | i fear one day we WILL indeed end up in the corporate paradise where money flows for EVERY click on any website |
| 18:13.07 | simonrvn | not if the oil runs out first |
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| 18:16.04 | Mayhem | waaaaaah |
| 18:16.38 | Mayhem | now there is even *less* reason for nvidia/broadcom/skype to support linuxppc :( |
| 18:17.09 | simonrvn | a ppc user coming to bitch at jobs |
| 18:17.27 | piem | anyone has a clue why kernel-headers-2.6.11-power4-smp isn't in unstable? |
| 18:18.32 | Mayhem | AMD would have made a little bit of sense, but Intel? |
| 18:18.42 | Mayhem | ...stop me if this has all been said before, btw :) |
| 18:18.45 | simonrvn | kernel-build-2.6.11-powerpc-smp - build infrastructure for kernel version 2.6.11-powerpc-smp |
| 18:18.49 | simonrvn | kernel-headers-2.6.11-powerpc - header files for the Linux kernel version 2.6.11 |
| 18:18.59 | simonrvn | that's all i get |
| 18:19.09 | Sam-I-Am | heh |
| 18:19.09 | simonrvn | (plus some others, but you weren't asking about those) |
| 18:19.14 | Sam-I-Am | oh well, apple is now going in the shitter |
| 18:19.18 | Sam-I-Am | no reason to buy apple products |
| 18:19.22 | Sam-I-Am | does anyone innovate anymore? |
| 18:19.29 | simonrvn | nope |
| 18:19.31 | piem | yeah indeed. but m-a looks for -power4-smp, nothing else. |
| 18:19.38 | Sam-I-Am | 1979 technology with segmented memory, here we come |
| 18:19.54 | simonrvn | ugh |
| 18:19.58 | Sam-I-Am | sgi went to x86 first (well, itanic), then sun (amd-64), now apple |
| 18:20.04 | Q-FUNK | innovation is an action against the DMCA and the RIAA. they shall exterminate. |
| 18:20.09 | simonrvn | brain dead design, no OF, .... |
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| 18:20.32 | Sam-I-Am | i figure i'm just going to use computers for work and quit using them at home once my old suns die |
| 18:20.39 | Q-FUNK | amd64 with an OF bootrom would have been nice, as long as they don't touch the x86 emulation mode. |
| 18:20.54 | ErRandir | old suns never die :) |
| 18:21.27 | Sam-I-Am | i'd like to know why they went with intel above amd... and not even itanic |
| 18:21.52 | Mayhem | a triumph of marketing over common sense... |
| 18:21.53 | simonrvn | all our old ppcs just suddenly got more valuable.... |
| 18:21.58 | Sam-I-Am | haha |
| 18:22.04 | Sam-I-Am | Mayhem: when isnt it marketing these days? |
| 18:22.04 | Mayhem | simonrvn, or the opposite... |
| 18:22.11 | Sam-I-Am | the pentium4 was designed by marketing |
| 18:22.17 | Sam-I-Am | ErRandir: you're right, they dont |
| 18:22.29 | Curalton | Q-FUNK: just wait for swpatents in europe and the cirle is closed :-) - and then just dont stop smiling |
| 18:23.00 | Sam-I-Am | so hey, what do you say we all sell our computers, go outside, and get some females? :) |
| 18:23.02 | Q-FUNK | we had a free software revolution. looks like we need a free hardware revolution, next. |
| 18:23.17 | Curalton | Q-FUNK: ! |
| 18:23.21 | Mayhem | hell yes |
| 18:23.24 | simonrvn | yes we do. i was thinking such |
| 18:23.26 | Sam-I-Am | i thought there were going to be free powerpc boards |
| 18:23.30 | Mayhem | start with the free graphics card |
| 18:23.30 | Sam-I-Am | pegasus or something |
| 18:23.51 | lixus | another problem: i spend now hours to google for java support in mozilla or firefox on debian ppc but i do not get it to work. what's the secret ? |
| 18:23.57 | simonrvn | i've been thinking of ways to even have old OW macs get OF v3+ |
| 18:24.02 | Sam-I-Am | apple better start selling their current ppc stock for damn cheap otherwise they arent making any sales |
| 18:24.09 | Q-FUNK | anybody feels like resurecting the sparc architecture as a free soft^Whardware project? |
| 18:24.14 | Mayhem | lixus, seems the answer is get get an intel chip |
| 18:24.19 | Sam-I-Am | Q-FUNK: mmm, sparc |
| 18:24.21 | Q-FUNK | or perhaps pa-risc? |
| 18:24.25 | Q-FUNK | WAIT! |
| 18:24.26 | Mayhem | ALPHA! |
| 18:24.27 | Curalton | alpha |
| 18:24.29 | Curalton | heh |
| 18:24.32 | Sam-I-Am | yeah, alpha was nice |
| 18:24.41 | lixus | Mayhem: so there is no java support atm ? |
| 18:24.54 | Sam-I-Am | i didnt know there was java for linuxppc |
| 18:25.01 | simonrvn | there is, but it's half-assed |
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| 18:25.02 | Mayhem | lixus, not that I've had success with |
| 18:25.08 | Q-FUNK | think: IBM owns PPC. IBM is one of the biggest free/OSS backer. would they be willing to open source their PPC architecture? |
| 18:25.22 | simonrvn | ask them? |
| 18:25.24 | Sam-I-Am | well, ibm just got a kick in the nuts |
| 18:25.28 | Sam-I-Am | maybe they'll do something |
| 18:25.29 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 18:25.33 | Curalton | errr, IBM just pushed apple to intel |
| 18:25.44 | simonrvn | ppc stinkpads ;p |
| 18:25.48 | Sam-I-Am | heh |
| 18:25.49 | Curalton | since they have enough happy ppc buyers with xbox etc. now |
| 18:25.51 | Mayhem | lol |
| 18:25.54 | Sam-I-Am | with what os? |
| 18:25.57 | lixus | Sam-I-Am: there is a java 1.3 from blackdown.org around but for recent mozilla/firefox you need 1.4.2 |
| 18:26.03 | Sam-I-Am | lixus: ah |
| 18:26.04 | simonrvn | apple got all huffy and moved to inhel on their own |
| 18:26.18 | Mayhem | anyone tried the IBM java? |
| 18:26.33 | simonrvn | yes. no browser plugin |
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| 18:26.50 | Curalton | the java cross platform lie... |
| 18:26.54 | simonrvn | yup |
| 18:26.54 | lixus | i am wondering if open office has got an uptodate java included |
| 18:27.09 | lixus | but anyway i am looking for a java plugin |
| 18:27.19 | simonrvn | not in debian, un;less you use the free jvms |
| 18:27.32 | lixus | what about konquer , that KDE project browser ? |
| 18:27.54 | simonrvn | what about it? |
| 18:28.21 | lixus | has it got a working java plugin ? |
| 18:28.30 | simonrvn | ... |
| 18:28.57 | Mayhem | there are no working ppc java plugins, because there is no working current ppc java |
| 18:29.27 | Mayhem | (broadly speaking) |
| 18:29.58 | Sam-I-Am | and there sure wont be ppc java now :P |
| 18:30.13 | Mayhem | indeed, ppc is an even *smaller* minority now |
| 18:30.46 | Curalton | lets merge with #debianspac #debianalpha etc. into #debiandyingminority |
| 18:31.09 | Mayhem | being a minority is fine, being a dying minority isn't :( |
| 18:31.15 | Sam-I-Am | at some point intel will add DRM to their chips |
| 18:31.20 | Sam-I-Am | and everyone will get it ay once |
| 18:31.25 | Q-FUNK | #debianscc |
| 18:32.06 | Mayhem | and all the apps will require DRM, so no-one will switch to anything else |
| 18:32.08 | Curalton | Sam-I-Am: yup, big day for RIAA etc. |
| 18:32.08 | Q-FUNK | wasn't scc the name of that "drop all non-mainstream arches" proposal? |
| 18:32.48 | Curalton | ah, err, for official releases after sarge yes |
| 18:32.51 | Curalton | but not in general |
| 18:33.08 | Sam-I-Am | heh |
| 18:33.19 | Sam-I-Am | its a Dark Day for computing |
| 18:33.23 | Mayhem | so mainstream will now = x86 x86_64 ? |
| 18:33.27 | Sam-I-Am | but the majority of the population doesnt know or care |
| 18:33.28 | Q-FUNK | scc = second-class citizen |
| 18:33.57 | Curalton | Mayhem: so it would seem |
| 18:34.10 | Mayhem | its a dark day for diversity |
| 18:34.15 | Sam-I-Am | or that |
| 18:34.31 | Mayhem | they are the borg, we will be assimmilated |
| 18:34.32 | Sam-I-Am | hey, nows the opportunity to find new hobbies |
| 18:35.04 | Mayhem | hob..bies? |
| 18:35.56 | Curalton | rofl Mayhem |
| 18:36.07 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 18:36.10 | Q-FUNK | diversity in general has become taboo |
| 18:36.14 | Mayhem | are they like boo..bies? |
| 18:36.43 | simonrvn | typical of police states |
| 18:37.08 | Q-FUNK | indeed |
| 18:37.32 | Curalton | actually its more of a "jubilate state" |
| 18:37.33 | Q-FUNK | but they are all becoming police states. were do we go then? |
| 18:37.57 | Curalton | everyone thinks they are so free, and have soo much free press etc. while the important stuff is just covered up |
| 18:38.01 | Mayhem | I seem to recall people creating an open-source society... |
| 18:38.03 | Curalton | no need for police |
| 18:38.26 | Curalton | s/covered up/ignored/ |
| 18:40.02 | Mayhem | you're making me even more depressed... |
| 18:40.24 | simonrvn | i just more pissed |
| 18:40.27 | simonrvn | get* |
| 18:40.46 | simonrvn | ...not good when you're eating ;) |
| 18:40.47 | Curalton | simonrvn: you know most "revolutions" in history failed? |
| 18:41.11 | simonrvn | doesn't mean they won't succeed in the future |
| 18:41.29 | Curalton | you need to have a majority which has something to loose on your side |
| 18:41.36 | Curalton | atm its enough bread and games for most |
| 18:41.56 | simonrvn | yeh. i know. esp. in north amerikkka |
| 18:42.18 | Mayhem | yes, until some big dictatorships start making people really suffer, no-one will do anything |
| 18:42.22 | simonrvn | 'lose', btw |
| 18:42.29 | Mayhem | i.e. western dictatorships |
| 18:42.33 | simonrvn | yes |
| 18:42.43 | Curalton | noone will require dictators anymore with such a nice press |
| 18:43.10 | simonrvn | here, it's only a matter of time ... with the arbitrary arrests of people on "terrorist watchlists" |
| 18:43.18 | Q-FUNK | the story of the german lutheran pastor will repeat itself, I'm affraid. |
| 18:44.10 | Curalton | yeh |
| 18:44.52 | Q-FUNK | "first they came for the jews.... [...] and then they came for me but nobody was left to rise and defend me." |
| 18:45.04 | Curalton | terrorist activities demand more strict laws etc., evil viruses and malware demand more secure and locked down userfriendly OS features |
| 18:45.15 | Q-FUNK | no |
| 18:45.17 | Sam-I-Am | also, apple went from 64-bit to 32-bit? |
| 18:45.19 | Sam-I-Am | thats funny |
| 18:45.33 | simonrvn | yeh, i knew which one, but thanks for sharing, some may not have known |
| 18:45.35 | Curalton | Q-FUNK: yes, thats about correctly cited |
| 18:45.42 | Q-FUNK | terrorist activities demand assasination of all western politicians. pure and simple as that. |
| 18:45.56 | simonrvn | s/western// |
| 18:45.57 | Curalton | Q-FUNK: i was speaking from the politicians POV |
| 18:50.55 | Q-FUNK | ftp://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/Release |
| 18:51.01 | Q-FUNK | yippee! |
| 18:51.07 | simonrvn | cool |
| 18:51.19 | simonrvn | mirror pulse |
| 18:51.28 | Mayhem | yup. |
| 18:51.42 | Mayhem | torrents have been up for a while |
| 18:52.01 | simonrvn | w00t |
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| 19:20.33 | grivell | Well, Linux's ppc market will evaporate in a couple years. I am kind of glad Apple will use x86-64. Might allow Nvidia iBook's to work under Linux with 3d. |
| 19:21.09 | Mayhem | you mean the "EMT64" or whatever they call it |
| 19:21.23 | Mayhem | 3d support would be nice though |
| 19:21.35 | Mayhem | as would a lot of other things working |
| 19:21.40 | grivell | Yep, I am lucky (iBook G4 radeon 9200 :) |
| 19:22.50 | Mayhem | but its means my powerbook g4 (with nvidia + broadcom baggage) will never work properly |
| 19:22.51 | grivell | The only complaints I have. The Airport Express (have to use USB wifi), and 1 button mouse. |
| 19:22.59 | Mayhem | I've got quite used to using F11 and F12 for middle and right mouse... |
| 19:23.11 | grivell | I have usb mouse :) |
| 19:23.40 | Mayhem | pfft, no room on my lap for that ;) |
| 19:23.47 | grivell | lol |
| 19:24.02 | grivell | I sit in a recliner. I have my mouse on the arm rest. |
| 19:25.32 | Mayhem | I love the mac touchpad. Much less reaching between k/b and mouse |
| 19:26.50 | joel_ | Im about to buy a laptop, and the choice is between ibook and ibm, Im very intreseted in how well debian works on these.. |
| 19:27.17 | Mayhem | *sob* |
| 19:27.38 | grivell | iBook G4 w/ Radeon 9200 is pretty good. 3D accel, sound. BUT no wireless (must get usb wifi) |
| 19:28.32 | joel_ | grivell: oh, thats a big downer |
| 19:28.32 | joel_ | how about powerbooks? |
| 19:28.32 | grivell | -airport extreme |
| 19:28.32 | grivell | apt_: airport extreme |
| 19:28.57 | grivell | Alright, don't reply :) |
| 19:29.03 | grivell | apt_, airport extreme |
| 19:29.17 | joel_ | I /msg'd |
| 19:29.20 | thebug | @+airport extreme |
| 19:29.20 | grivell | joel_: PowerBooks = no wireless, no 3d accel |
| 19:29.58 | joel_ | but they're so sassy :( |
| 19:30.31 | grivell | lol I'd want a PowerBook if it had 3d accel. The wireless you can add through usb or pcmcia on powerbook :) |
| 19:31.23 | joel_ | mabye there will be support later on.. |
| 19:31.34 | grivell | Heh, Apple's x86 will be able to run Windows. hmmm I smell a tri-boot situation :) |
| 19:31.44 | joel_ | since apples notebooks are damn popular |
| 19:32.01 | joel_ | oh, was that rumour true? |
| 19:32.02 | grivell | Nope, Nvidia open source drivers = no go. Same with Broadcom wireless. |
| 19:32.17 | grivell | joel_: The President of Apple said so (not Jobs) |
| 19:32.27 | grivell | But no MacOSX for non-Apple systems. |
| 19:32.52 | Mayhem | joel_, stay away from powerpc macs, they are gonna be obsolete |
| 19:33.16 | Mayhem | and yes, powerbooks are sassy :) |
| 19:33.20 | grivell | Hmm Actually, I don't think I will tri-boot. That would mean I have to buy Windows. But WINE. hmm |
| 19:33.35 | joel_ | or mabye wait 'til the x86 ones comes out, to buy one of the obsoletes cheap :) |
| 19:33.46 | Mayhem | wine is an incredible evil. I have so much hassle with it on my other system |
| 19:33.49 | grivell | Mayhem: Only obsolete for MacOSX (and thats in the far future.. more then 2 years) |
| 19:34.28 | grivell | Linux will be supported on PPC til your system in graveyard worthy. |
| 19:34.38 | grivell | s/in/is |
| 19:35.01 | Mayhem | grivell, perhaps, but saying 'your software doesn't work on big-endian' is gonna get totally ignored... |
| 19:35.20 | joel_ | what is the usual release cycle for apple notebooks.. |
| 19:35.31 | joel_ | a new model per year? |
| 19:35.42 | Mayhem | I think they refresh them a bit more often than that |
| 19:36.31 | joel_ | so it's not completly impossible that a x86 based will be out before christmas then |
| 19:37.16 | joel_ | or mabye thats just impossible to speculate at this time ;) |
| 19:38.03 | Mayhem | they said early 2006 |
| 19:38.09 | Mayhem | I think |
| 19:38.17 | Mayhem | http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2005/jun/06intel.html |
| 19:39.24 | joel_ | thanks |
| 19:39.57 | grivell | joel_: Said by June 2006. Not before 2006 |
| 19:40.23 | grivell | Mayhem: Most things work on PPC in Debian. |
| 19:41.48 | joel_ | yea but the wireless internet is somewhat critical, for a laptop |
| 19:42.03 | joel_ | this makes me wanna sponsor theo de raadt! |
| 19:44.41 | simonrvn | openbsd is still only x86-based... |
| 19:45.00 | simonrvn | same goes for freebsd |
| 19:45.24 | demon | well, there was a port project established for freebsd to PPC |
| 19:45.37 | demon | but they got it about half working and it proceeded to wither and die |
| 19:45.40 | Mayhem | grivell, many things (esp free games) still have endianness bugs. |
| 19:45.45 | demon | guess someone lost interest |
| 19:46.02 | simonrvn | Mayhem: yup |
| 19:46.29 | grivell | Mayhem: Battle for Wesnoth, Foobillards, SuperTux, cube all work 100% |
| 19:46.32 | simonrvn | even non-game apps occasionally do; less often though |
| 19:47.09 | Mayhem | I don't know if netpanzer have fixed their bugs, Valknut (p2p app) has a known bug with hashing |
| 19:47.48 | simonrvn | i was helping to test net[panzer, at one point, if it connected to a LE box, the BE client would crash |
| 19:48.02 | simonrvn | wee |
| 19:48.03 | Mayhem | yep, I experienced that too |
| 19:48.26 | demon | hehe |
| 19:48.55 | demon | try porting code someone wrote for MacOS X to a little-endian system... you'll end up with similar endianness issues, sadly |
| 19:49.45 | simonrvn | ansi c, and people still don't think 'portable' |
| 19:51.26 | Mayhem | gah, I haven't done this much deep sighing for ages... |
| 19:51.47 | simonrvn | hey deep breathing is good for you ;) |
| 19:52.22 | Mayhem | I think Steve Jobs has been taking deep breaths of the wrong stuff... |
| 19:52.33 | simonrvn | yeh, really... |
| 19:52.43 | simonrvn | change dealer, jobs! |
| 19:52.53 | Mayhem | he just did... :) |
| 19:53.02 | simonrvn | *groan* |
| 19:53.14 | simonrvn | wrong one! |
| 19:53.54 | Mayhem | 'cpus' are the new hard drug on the street |
| 19:54.11 | simonrvn | aka seepooz |
| 19:54.16 | grivell | lol. What is so bad with x86-64? It is just a chip. IBM couldn't deliver faster laptops. That is a huge deal in a business where we all wanted G5's. |
| 19:54.46 | simonrvn | excuse me? i don't even own a laptop, much less a g4 of any sort |
| 19:55.05 | simonrvn | so, no, not all of us ;) |
| 19:55.21 | grivell | Well, most of us? ;) |
| 19:55.48 | Mayhem | I was happy with my g4, I just wanted all the software to work |
| 19:56.13 | Mayhem | IBM have the same problem as Intel - their fast chips are space heaters |
| 19:56.22 | simonrvn | well, anyway, maybe ibm will grow some gonads and make some good quality inexpensive ppc h/w. or some 'little guy' drops their prices |
| 19:56.27 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 19:56.30 | grivell | I'm in a state of "how much CAN they overcharge for an iBook now?". As long as the quality is the same I don't care. If they go Dell, oh god where do I go to next? |
| 19:57.38 | Mayhem | I don't know how they are going to compete, you'll have a p4 mac thats proprietary, and do-it-yourself p4 that you can screw with and it costs you less |
| 19:57.38 | grivell | Mayhem: Pentium-M is not a space heater. Intel in the mobile area is king. On the desktop, AMD still rules the roost. And for high end, Intel. |
| 19:57.46 | simonrvn | right now i'm waiting for the mirror pulse to finish so i can update my sarge boxen ;) |
| 19:58.16 | simonrvn | grivell: i'd disagree strongly. but i admit bias =) |
| 19:58.38 | Mayhem | Pentium M is interesting, but on the high end its all AMD as far as I can see. |
| 19:58.57 | Mayhem | dual cores and all |
| 19:59.05 | grivell | Mayhem: OSX. That is all. That is how they will compete. The same way they have been competing. Do you think anyone really says "Apple has PPC. Wow. I want that". Or "Apple has Intel, Dell has Intel. They are the same?" MacOSX will only run on macs. |
| 20:00.01 | Mayhem | grivell, but before, the hardware was different, so they could (sorta) get away with their high prices. Now people will be able to do apples-apple comparison of hardware. |
| 20:00.01 | grivell | And quality counts for something too :) Dell is known for cheap POS's. Apple is known for quality. |
| 20:00.22 | simonrvn | os x is slower than linux... i don't think os x will matter much anymore |
| 20:00.35 | Sam-I-Am | apple has a following from people that dont like wintel |
| 20:00.39 | Sam-I-Am | now its gonna be appletel |
| 20:00.50 | Sam-I-Am | they're gonna lose their following |
| 20:00.52 | Mayhem | agreed, osx lasted two weeks with me before I ditched it |
| 20:00.57 | Sam-I-Am | but thats how apple works... they screw their loyal customer base |
| 20:01.05 | grivell | But you kind of knew the price/performance of PPC/x86. So OSX and Apple's quality are the only reasons to buy Apple. They are always more expensive. |
| 20:01.09 | simonrvn | something really wrong with macs having p4s in them. it's like a nightmare. |
| 20:01.18 | Sam-I-Am | 1979 baby! |
| 20:01.34 | grivell | Mayhem: OSX lasted 15 minutes before a Debian CD found its way in. |
| 20:01.59 | Mayhem | grivell, ah, but I was trying to give it a fair go and not revert to debian straight away :) |
| 20:02.10 | simonrvn | a POS CPU that doesn;t even stand up to my old g3 power tower pro... |
| 20:02.34 | grivell | lol. I dual boot. But I haven't seen OSX since I last ran MacOnLinux some 4 months ago |
| 20:03.03 | Mayhem | All these years as an x86 user, I'd been unaware of what it felt like to be shafted the way Mac users repeately are. Now I see... |
| 20:03.19 | simonrvn | i spend 99.9999% of my time in something linux-based |
| 20:03.27 | simonrvn | Mayhem: now you know =) |
| 20:04.05 | grivell | Actually, PPC binaries will work on x86 OSX. They have a translator (think Java hotspot). |
| 20:04.15 | Mayhem | yeah, I rarely even fire up MoL |
| 20:04.19 | Sam-I-Am | oh yeah thats good, run something on java that needs speed :P |
| 20:04.33 | simonrvn | Sam-I-Am: i'd rather have aworking sparc than this pos x86 i'm typing from... |
| 20:04.39 | Sam-I-Am | heh |
| 20:04.43 | Sam-I-Am | want one? :) |
| 20:05.03 | Mayhem | I wonder if my old uni still has any SGI O2s... |
| 20:05.08 | Sam-I-Am | i have an O2 |
| 20:05.14 | Sam-I-Am | irix sucks, and nothing else works on it |
| 20:05.16 | Sam-I-Am | so it sits around |
| 20:05.20 | simonrvn | i'll find one eventually. just have to wait for the uni to ditch their h/w and buy x86 crap... |
| 20:05.21 | Mayhem | hmm, point |
| 20:05.34 | Sam-I-Am | simonrvn: ebay |
| 20:05.51 | Sam-I-Am | i'd like to see linux working on the O2 |
| 20:05.57 | Sam-I-Am | as in... a usable state |
| 20:06.05 | Sam-I-Am | not just "oh, it boots to a terminal" |
| 20:06.37 | simonrvn | we found an indigo the other day. we're looking into finding some of the h/w that went with it, like oh, the kbd and monitor cable for instance ;) |
| 20:07.05 | Sam-I-Am | heh |
| 20:07.07 | Sam-I-Am | indigo or indigo2? |
| 20:07.17 | Sam-I-Am | because the original indigo is... pfffft |
| 20:07.46 | simonrvn | one of the unis around here sticks oldumps their computer h/w into a bin, then we go garbage hounding ;) |
| 20:07.50 | Mayhem | I wonder if they still have that origin200... |
| 20:08.17 | Sam-I-Am | www.reputable.com |
| 20:08.19 | Sam-I-Am | good cheap hw |
| 20:08.25 | simonrvn | mmm, not sure. a big old thing, with 2 main boards, one with the video, and the other with the cpu etc. on it |
| 20:08.36 | Sam-I-Am | but sgi wont let you so much as apply bugfixes to irix without a service contract |
| 20:08.46 | Sam-I-Am | simonrvn: tower or pizza box? |
| 20:08.57 | simonrvn | tower |
| 20:09.06 | thebug | simonrvn: sounds like an indigo r3k or r4k, but not i2 |
| 20:09.06 | Sam-I-Am | original indigo |
| 20:09.13 | Sam-I-Am | yes |
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| 20:09.57 | simonrvn | one of my other friends let the smoke out of a ps2 kbd trying to get something to type on to work on it |
| 20:10.07 | simonrvn | heh |
| 20:10.16 | simonrvn | ok |
| 20:10.31 | Sam-I-Am | it doesnt use ps2 |
| 20:10.33 | Sam-I-Am | same connector |
| 20:10.41 | simonrvn | no, it just looks like ps2 ;) |
| 20:10.44 | Sam-I-Am | yup |
| 20:10.51 | simonrvn | powered, right? |
| 20:11.02 | Sam-I-Am | also, sun and sgi video connectors (13w3) look the same... but have different pins |
| 20:11.08 | Sam-I-Am | not sure what it is |
| 20:11.23 | Mayhem | hmm, maybe consistent hardware *isn't* a bad thing... |
| 20:11.27 | simonrvn | ah ok. so the sun cables we have wouldn't work. they have the g and r flipped or something? |
| 20:12.04 | simonrvn | Mayhem: yes, but we don't all have to use the same proc ;) |
| 20:12.16 | Q-FUNK | pretty amazing. the debian-gnome team is already busy uploading 2.10 to unstable. |
| 20:12.25 | simonrvn | w00t |
| 20:12.46 | simonrvn | we'll see xorg soon too |
| 20:13.38 | Sam-I-Am | simonrvn: color wires are the same... its the control pins that arent |
| 20:14.02 | Q-FUNK | http://www.debian.org/News/2005/20050606 |
| 20:14.10 | simonrvn | ah ok. |
| 20:14.12 | Mayhem | woot. The floodgates have been pent up for a long time |
| 20:14.21 | grivell | xorg soon? coolness. I have been using Ubuntu off a USB hd chroot'ed when I want to see the new stuff :) |
| 20:14.25 | simonrvn | they have |
| 20:14.38 | simonrvn | ah, the announcement |
| 20:15.27 | grivell | haha. You testing wimps ;) |
| 20:16.15 | simonrvn | i've already done the sources.list editing ;) |
| 20:16.28 | Mayhem | My family use the machine too, can't handle the complaints of unstable :) |
| 20:17.25 | simonrvn | good idea |
| 20:17.37 | grivell | j/k. Never would have it in there. |
| 20:17.55 | simonrvn | i have a dselect -duy upgrade |
| 20:18.07 | grivell | But I am interested in some excitement in unstable. Everything has been too calm. |
| 20:18.19 | simonrvn | er |
| 20:18.21 | grivell | I use aptitude ;) |
| 20:18.22 | simonrvn | 10 4 * * * dselect update && apt-get -duy upgrade |
| 20:19.45 | simonrvn | -y == auto-yes, -d == download-only, -u == show list of upgraded packages too |
| 20:20.12 | demon | wasn't apt changed awhile back to do that by default? |
| 20:20.30 | simonrvn | it's an old cron job ;) |
| 20:20.30 | Mayhem | but then, unless you are on the right mailing lists, you won't get notice of breakage till you install? |
| 20:23.00 | simonrvn | drwxrwsr-x 5 1176 1176 4096 Jun 06 19:25 etch |
| 20:23.03 | simonrvn | :) |
| 20:24.31 | Mayhem | lol |
| 20:24.51 | simonrvn | i'll tell ya, #debian has been nuts with all the 'when is sarge going to release' type questions.... |
| 20:25.10 | Mayhem | Try to remember how good it feels to see 'etch', because we're gonna be sick of it in three years time... |
| 20:25.17 | Mayhem | yeah, #debian has been crazy |
| 20:26.02 | simonrvn | it's still nuts. i remember woody going stable, it was just as nuts |
| 20:26.25 | Mayhem | tsk, slashdot hasn't caught the news yet |
| 20:26.43 | thebug | debianplanet won't have it for a few months |
| 20:26.46 | simonrvn | they're always slow. who cares ;) |
| 20:26.54 | thebug | :) |
| 20:27.06 | thebug | ... give 'em time, they'll get it eventually |
| 20:27.22 | Mayhem | slashdot was quick with the Apple-Intel news |
| 20:27.24 | simonrvn | ./ i mean |
| 20:27.32 | simonrvn | bah |
| 20:27.41 | demon | hehe... I still remember being at the potato release party |
| 20:27.55 | demon | hard to believe how long ago that was |
| 20:28.10 | Mayhem | I think everyone has forgotten what its like to have a release |
| 20:29.59 | simonrvn | i'm a late-comer... installed potato on my 7500, then a few months laster woody released |
| 20:30.04 | simonrvn | later* |
| 20:30.19 | Mayhem | I think I started shortly after slink came out |
| 20:30.43 | demon | yeah, same here |
| 20:30.44 | simonrvn | ok, local archive updates running now |
| 20:31.08 | grivell | I started around 98 or 99 with Debian. So what was it ;) |
| 20:31.13 | simonrvn | eh, |
| 20:31.19 | demon | hehe |
| 20:31.28 | demon | I need to check up on my 7500 |
| 20:31.45 | grivell | Started with Slackware in 96. I loved pain back then I guess. |
| 20:31.52 | demon | hehe |
| 20:32.04 | demon | yeah, slack seemed like the place to be |
| 20:32.15 | demon | until I realized how much not having a package system sucked |
| 20:32.28 | grivell | The a.out to elf conversion was a PITA. |
| 20:33.16 | grivell | I think I went to RedHat because they already went through with it? Then Mandrake, then Debian. |
| 20:33.33 | demon | haha |
| 20:33.41 | demon | I remember trying RH 2.1 back then |
| 20:33.46 | demon | that was terrible |
| 20:33.49 | grivell | And a brief 6 or so months of messing with Gentoo to learn a thing or 2 about patience ;) |
| 20:34.05 | grivell | RedHat 5 was my first RH |
| 20:34.25 | demon | I remember trying Caldera Network Desktop |
| 20:34.48 | grivell | Never messed with Caldera. |
| 20:34.53 | demon | that was arguably worse than RH |
| 20:35.02 | demon | hehe... I didn't for long |
| 20:35.09 | grivell | I might have installed SuSe and formatted 2 hours later. I can't remember. |
| 20:35.09 | demon | quickly reverted back to slack |
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| 20:39.53 | Proteque | hey. can the PowerMac G5 with nvidia run X11? |
| 20:40.00 | Proteque | and does it have soundsupport? |
| 20:40.30 | Proteque | I read at yellowdogs pages that sound was not supported and that MOL doesnt work. is this the same issue in debian? |
| 20:40.41 | mea_ | Proteque: x11 with nvidia is working on ppc. at least on g4 |
| 20:41.33 | thebug | I think it's the accelerated 3d part that's the trick (read: it won't work) |
| 20:41.34 | simonrvn | all done |
| 20:41.52 | Proteque | thebug: will that say I only loose 3d? |
| 20:42.14 | simonrvn | 'lose' |
| 20:42.14 | thebug | you won't have -accelerated- 3d |
| 20:42.20 | thebug | read: don't bother with 3d |
| 20:42.29 | thebug | completely software rendered |
| 20:42.29 | Proteque | refrase: will it affect my 2d-performance? |
| 20:43.27 | thebug | don't know, I don't have anything with nvidia, I just know that on Mac, no Nvidia cards have accelerated 3d |
| 20:43.51 | Proteque | okay. what about mac on linux? any knowledge if it works on G5? and sound? |
| 20:44.15 | thebug | it doesn't work on g5 at all (MOL) |
| 20:45.06 | Proteque | okay :/ |
| 20:45.31 | Proteque | may I ask why? |
| 20:45.31 | thebug | if you want to run OS X, just run OS X |
| 20:45.34 | Sam-I-Am | is something foo with the debian mirrors? |
| 20:45.55 | Proteque | thebug: I want to use Linux. but need some apps from OS X. was hoping I did not have to reboot for it. |
| 20:45.55 | grivell | thebug: Flash, Java. |
| 20:46.29 | thebug | well, on G5, that's what you get |
| 20:47.24 | Proteque | okay. just asking. Why do I get the impression you get annoyed over me asking? |
| 20:48.08 | thebug | /topic #mol |
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| 20:52.03 | Proteque | aaah checked on the linuxppc-page. seems there is no sound either. guess the time isnt ready for linux on this one then :) |
| 20:52.25 | ioops | hi |
| 20:52.49 | ioops | al_, are you here ? |
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| 20:56.11 | assassin | @lart apple |
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| 20:58.06 | beth | s/-KILL// |
| 20:58.32 | simonrvn | start with -TERM (default), then see ;) |
| 21:08.06 | al_ | ioi am |
| 21:08.09 | al_ | héhé |
| 21:08.11 | al_ | i was |
| 21:10.10 | grivell | Face it, PPC is dead on the desktop. I couldn't care what cpu I use. Debian is the reasoning for that. But I do care how well the computer holds up over time. I do care about drivers. Quality. How is the x86 shift a major change? They even have emulation built in for PPC binaries. |
| 21:10.36 | demon | we'll see how good it ends up being though |
| 21:10.39 | grivell | If x86 MacOSX is faster, that is all that matters (as long as quality of computer is the same). |
| 21:10.54 | assassin | yeah. and it'll still suck as bad as Intel's cisc->risc emulation |
| 21:11.38 | demon | I don't care what anyone says, emulating PPC (with lots of regs) on x86 (with significantly fewer regs) is going to be slow, unless apple knows something the entire rest of the world hasn't figured out yet re: emulation |
| 21:11.48 | assassin | Heh... Intel isn't the first thing that pops up in my mind when I think of quality |
| 21:12.09 | grivell | assassin: x86 chips are faster then PPC. Which is why Apple made the switch. So where is the point for PPC? |
| 21:12.13 | assassin | bullshit |
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| 21:12.21 | assassin | Clockwise yes |
| 21:12.44 | simonrvn | x86 chips aren't faster. they just upped the MHz on them. which means nothing |
| 21:13.04 | grivell | assassin: I'm talking about current chips vs current chips. Rule out MHz. Think benchmarks. |
| 21:13.15 | simonrvn | benchmarks are BS too |
| 21:13.22 | assassin | grivell: I am. ANd you're thinking ICC vs gcc benchmarks |
| 21:13.26 | simonrvn | statistics can be massaged |
| 21:13.38 | grivell | assassin: No, I'm thinking anandtech's benchmarks. GCC vs GCC |
| 21:13.50 | assassin | pssh... sure |
| 21:14.25 | simonrvn | anandtech is x86-centric. of course they'll "tweak" them to match what they like |
| 21:14.30 | ioops | simonrvn, je peux te parler en privé stp ? |
| 21:14.40 | simonrvn | ok |
| 21:14.50 | assassin | speaking of which how good is the green hills compiler for ppc? |
| 21:15.59 | grivell | Well, you can't live in denial forever. People use to complain (maybe still do) about Alpha's being faster. They weren't. Could they be if some company had a lot of money to pour into them? Perhaps. But that is an if and not a fact. |
| 21:16.54 | assassin | grivell: the fact remains that x86 introduces a level of un-needed complexity in pipling that makes them shit |
| 21:16.54 | Q-FUNK | alpha *is* amazingly fast. |
| 21:17.10 | Q-FUNK | the main issue with alpha is the high current consumption. |
| 21:17.31 | grivell | I am not talking about structure. I'm talking results. |
| 21:17.33 | simonrvn | and x86 pipelines are too long... |
| 21:18.08 | assassin | grivell: oh really. Are you comparing the latest IBM 970s, or are you just regurgetating x86 sheepage? |
| 21:18.54 | grivell | I was talking G4 vs Pentium-M , G5 vs Xeon. |
| 21:19.10 | assassin | yeah, because that's their real names :roll: |
| 21:19.57 | grivell | assassin: It is their real marketing names :) You don't buy 7447A laptop do you ;) |
| 21:20.26 | simonrvn | ok, this ends now. if it doesn't i whip out my @ |
| 21:20.31 | grivell | Ok, I'll shut up. We both have differing opinions. |
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| 21:25.38 | Q-FUNK | we at least have Sarge's release as a good news for today. :) |
| 21:25.49 | assassin | Ooo... was it released? |
| 21:26.12 | Q-FUNK | yup |
| 21:26.15 | Q-FUNK | at long last |
| 21:26.49 | Q-FUNK | http://www.debian.org/News/2005/20050606 |
| 21:27.03 | Q-FUNK | cheers! :) |
| 21:27.27 | _rene_ | cheers too :) |
| 21:31.30 | simonrvn | it's partay tiime! |
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| 21:42.46 | gnusosa | hi |
| 21:44.27 | simonrvn | fuck this thing can't cope with a bit of load... it's a POS p2/350. my g3 at 300 is faster and can handle more stuff at one time |
| 21:44.51 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:45.17 | simonrvn | with an upgrade running, gnome, and writing email... |
| 21:46.46 | simonrvn | my PT pro would be at ~2-3 with the same stuff- including apache2 and 3 databases running |
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| 21:47.48 | simonrvn | now tell me x86 is faster |
| 21:48.08 | Q-FUNK | amd64? |
| 21:48.35 | Q-FUNK | in native 64-bit amd mode, of course |
| 21:48.52 | simonrvn | wouldn't know |
| 21:48.54 | Q-FUNK | and then transmeta closed shop too |
| 21:49.42 | simonrvn | would help a bit if the drive was scsi though ;) |
| 21:49.49 | Q-FUNK | apple should have chosen amd64, then there would at least be some competition left in the field. |
| 21:49.53 | Q-FUNK | heh |
| 21:49.59 | simonrvn | i have a 2940uw, but no 10 gb scsi drive |
| 21:50.20 | simonrvn | anyway, GTG |
| 21:50.21 | Q-FUNK | I'm not sure if SCSI really is worth it anymore. |
| 21:51.01 | simonrvn | this mobo is pretty recent, of course they put a shit ide bus on it |
| 21:51.12 | simonrvn | piix inhel crap |
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| 21:51.51 | thebug | Q-FUNK: scsi is always worth it :) |
| 21:51.52 | gnusosa | yeah amd64 |
| 21:52.03 | thebug | as evidenced by all IDE controllers |
| 21:52.19 | Q-FUNK | fuzzy logic |
| 21:52.25 | thebug | SCSI just isn't worth -the price- ;) |
| 21:52.38 | simonrvn | thebug: agreed |
| 21:52.57 | dreamind | Hi |
| 21:53.03 | simonrvn | hiya |
| 21:53.05 | thebug | when was the last time you could chain 15 IDE drives to a single channel of a controller? *cough* |
| 21:53.16 | simonrvn | um, never ? ;) |
| 21:53.27 | thebug | oh, that's right ... only 2, and they eat CPU like no tomorrow |
| 21:53.34 | simonrvn | not even SATA |
| 21:53.35 | Q-FUNK | sata |
| 21:53.39 | grivell | SATA has potential though. |
| 21:53.43 | dreamind | hm, I guess with the death of apple/ppc perhaps sometime next year then debian/ppc will die too - bad bad :( |
| 21:53.51 | thebug | serial scsi |
| 21:53.58 | thebug | that's the nice stuff |
| 21:54.23 | simonrvn | dreamind: since when? |
| 21:54.34 | dreamind | simonrvn: since when what? |
| 21:54.41 | Q-FUNK | dreamind: naa. too much second-hand ppc stuff will be available when rhe posh apple users switch to 86 hardware. |
| 21:54.42 | grivell | dreamind: Debian/PPC will die in 5 or 10 years :) People running OSX 10.4 will be looking for something modern at that point to run on old hardware. |
| 21:55.15 | simonrvn | since when is linux on ppc dependent on new apple h/w coming out? |
| 21:55.18 | thebug | oh give it up already. Just see how it plays out then complain |
| 21:55.24 | dreamind | Q-FUNK: ok thats true |
| 21:55.46 | simonrvn | Q-FUNK: it'll be ours for the choosing ;) |
| 21:56.12 | simonrvn | they'll have crap x86 h/w, and we get the ppc goodies |
| 21:56.13 | Q-FUNK | debian has a tradition of being a popular os for yesterday's popular hardware. |
| 21:56.14 | al_ | sarge is officialy out |
| 21:56.16 | dreamind | simonrvn: hm, on my powerbook it works fine (except for the wlan card) |
| 21:56.31 | demon | al_: hey, welcome to this morning :) |
| 21:56.51 | al_ | i mean you have a mail in your debian-announce folder |
| 21:57.05 | Q-FUNK | al_: we noticed the mirror update about 3 hours ago already ;) |
| 21:57.10 | simonrvn | i've already updated my - wow stable sarge - stable boxen |
| 21:57.17 | simonrvn | been checking... nothing yet |
| 21:57.22 | Q-FUNK | ah |
| 21:57.31 | simonrvn | oh wait |
| 21:57.33 | al_ | Q-FUNK, i know, i know i've seen it hours ago |
| 21:57.38 | simonrvn | pCB@murphy T="Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 released" from <bounce-debian-announce=simon=nuit.ca@lists.debian.org> f |
| 21:57.39 | grivell | simonrvn: Well, Apple was the main line of PPC. But yeah, lets see how it plays out. Will be interesting. |
| 21:57.45 | simonrvn | there it is :) |
| 21:58.27 | Q-FUNK | feels weird to have packages in stable. |
| 21:58.53 | al_ | Q-FUNK, which packages do you maintain? |
| 21:59.08 | simonrvn | ok, really GTG now =) |
| 21:59.22 | simonrvn | i'll be in via ssh maybe |
| 22:00.11 | Q-FUNK | http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=q-funk@iki.fi |
| 22:01.31 | al_ | oooh numlockx, the first package i install after xdm |
| 22:02.02 | Q-FUNK | _rene__: congrats on getting 1.1.3 into stable. you, haggai and the others deserve a toast, |
| 22:02.04 | thebug | now the sarge release hits /. |
| 22:02.42 | Q-FUNK | and a DDoS hits all Debian mirrors. |
| 22:02.57 | _rene_ | yep... |
| 22:03.04 | _rene_ | Q-FUNK: thanks |
| 22:03.45 | thebug | nah... /. crowd is too gentoo-zealous |
| 22:04.02 | thebug | it'll be #debian and #debianppc that cause the DDoS :) |
| 22:04.42 | grivell | http://www.linuxisotorrent.com/ has torrents for x86 and Hurd, but no PPC. Anyone have PPC torrent? |
| 22:05.00 | Q-FUNK | First, Apple switches to Intel, and now, equally shocking: Debian Sarge is released! Hell has officially frozen over! |
| 22:05.18 | thebug | Hell has not, in fact, frozen over |
| 22:05.22 | grivell | Duke Nukem Forever is released!! |
| 22:05.24 | assassin | grivell: http://www.debian.org/ does |
| 22:05.29 | thebug | it's about an hour from here, and we're at 80some degrees F |
| 22:05.39 | grivell | assassin: Thanks, the last place I thought of looking ;) |
| 22:05.50 | _rene_ | Q-FUNK: http://people.zoy.org/~sam/phd-sarge.png |
| 22:06.51 | al_ | grivell, http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0/powerpc/bt-cd/ |
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| 22:06.57 | chisno_ | hi |
| 22:07.20 | chisno_ | I have one problem with installation of Debian in oldworld macintosh |
| 22:07.32 | chisno_ | I can't make the floppy disc |
| 22:08.31 | thebug | assassin: in other news today, intel finally revamps its i386 architecture with the i396. it's cisc-tastic! |
| 22:08.58 | assassin | hahaha cisctic |
| 22:08.59 | chisno_ | I make the floppy ( rescue.bin ) in i386 with dd , but the sistem can't boot this floppy and send off |
| 22:11.45 | chisno_ | any body here? |
| 22:12.59 | thebug | then try another floppy |
| 22:13.09 | thebug | oldworld macs are hella picky |
| 22:13.58 | chisno_ | I try with some floppies |
| 22:14.33 | chisno_ | ( Sorry i'm not a english... my english is very horrible ) xD |
| 22:15.37 | chisno_ | ohhh boot!!! |
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| 22:19.42 | Curalton | aww, no 3.1 release in topic to make up for the apple/intel shock? |
| 22:21.09 | chisno_ | kernel panic :D |
| 22:23.31 | chisno_ | I'm going to try again ... |
| 22:29.48 | _rene_ | I'd change it if I could... |
| 22:29.56 | grivell | Am loving the DVD editions. 2 discs. How can you beat that? Hmm Dual layer :) |
| 22:30.40 | thebug | mmm, no dvds |
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| 22:54.08 | assassin | Job's is possessed... today is 6/6/06 |
| 22:56.10 | Curalton | actually on that date the first intel macs will ship |
| 22:56.23 | grivell | lol |
| 22:56.29 | demon | hehe |
| 22:56.44 | demon | it's the end of the world as we know it |
| 22:57.02 | denken | i feel fine |
| 22:57.23 | Curalton | we will get all the cheap hardware the apple guys sell off |
| 22:57.27 | grivell | Rem :-) |
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