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02:06.17elzfunny to see macos9 asking you to delete partitions / and swap to init a disk
02:08.25elzI couldnt install potato over woody after I've init the disk w/ fdisk... I hope wiping partition with macos disk tool will be some help
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02:10.35elzwow... now it dont wait for enter before to switch boot and root
02:14.57assassinwith a new release comes the inevitable arivals
02:15.04elzis the "apple_partition_map" have to be here?
02:15.42elzwell, it seem to be working better now (the screens have correct colors) before everything was red :/
02:15.45assassinelz: only if you want any hope of reading any partition
02:16.01elzassassin: I was expecting something like that :)
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07:59.47simonrvnhi
08:00.54one_2_onehi
08:00.59one_2_one;)
08:05.07ukhso what's the thoughts on the move to p4?  that we will soon stop measuring speed in FLOPS or GHz and start measuring it in lbs per heat sink?
08:08.02DelTree:)
08:11.41assassinYou mean Power 4?
08:12.17assassinAnyways. Shitels are notorious for their poor quality and I'll be suprised to see apple offer 3 year extended warenties on those suckers
08:12.36assassinIf they do, they'll go outa buisiness
08:14.45ukhpentium4.  if you want power 4...buy an AS/400e?
08:15.50assassinI knew what you were talking about... just trying to make you less trollike ;P
08:16.46ukhI just think it's sad that yet another nice architecture goes down the drain, to be replaced by an 8080 with extended registers and massive heat sink.
08:17.10assassinIBM will still build bad ass machines
08:18.13ukhIBM builds some bad ass machines, yes, but hardly in the geek price range
08:19.08assassinYeah. Apple's a bunch of fuckwads for doing this. But, we've already established this during the daytime ;)
08:19.24assassinYou see jobs don't give a damn about the technology
08:19.32assassinHe only cares about it's capacity
08:19.49assassinWoz was bad ass
08:19.56assassinHe actually gave a damn
08:19.56Q-FUNKsimonrvn: topic.  saarge released, not forzen. :)
08:20.26assassinanyway... bed time
08:24.01ukhwho cares about technology?  if I had understood *business* I wouldn't be installing windows boxes for a living today.
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08:24.27assassinmmmmm
08:25.09ukh...when what I *really* want to do is to configure VAX/VMS clusters  :-)
08:25.12*** topic/#DebianPPC by simonrvn -> Debian on PPC - think of it as a never-ending IQ test. | Want Linux 2.6? Use kernel.org or sid/sarge kernel-images; DON'T USE BENH 2.6 RSYNC | vers.: 2.6.11.11 | Wiki at tinyurl.com/2r8uc | New (2003+) PowerMacs with XFS HOWTO http://tinyurl.com/2s2os | Sarge released: 2005-06-06 | New penguinppc.org live! | pasting? /whois paster | ALSA bounty: http://tinyurl.com/3p4nm
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08:25.34assassinsimonrvn: Do you ever sleep
08:25.54simonrvnyes
08:25.59simonrvnoften
08:26.03assassinawsome :)
08:26.04simonrvnonce a day
08:26.33simonrvnjust my day tends to overlap into night ;)
08:26.49assassinYeah. During break I become nocturnal
08:27.16simonrvni try to keep at least partly diurnal. 50/50 keeps me happy
08:27.25assassinAlso serves the practical purpose of being cooler in a room full of compies
08:27.40simonrvnquite =)
08:28.22simonrvn2 of them ow ppcs ;)
08:28.39assassinany ANSes?
08:28.59simonrvnnah
08:29.58simonrvnheh
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08:33.00assassinooo... some RS/6000's on ebay
08:33.25Bor_Ed7214's ?
08:34.18assassinBor_Ed: http://tinyurl.com/7hfwt
08:36.12assassindon't think so
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08:44.04Bor_Edsame thing as 43p ...
08:45.32Bor_Edhmm, sarge is finally out :o
08:51.24simonrvnyes it is ;)
08:52.03Bor_Edswitched sources to sarge on wifes box a while back already from testing :)
08:52.30ukhonly too bad that sarge won't run without backports on new HP hardware.  maybe etch  ;-)
08:52.53Bor_Edthere's always sid :D
08:53.10Bor_Edand new HP hardware ? there still exists such ? :o
08:53.14ukhactually, sid won't do either on i915.  ubuntu.
08:53.55Bor_Edisn't hp-pa getting discontiued ?
08:54.16ukhI meant HP/Compaq desktops.
08:54.26Bor_Edahh, x86 series ?
08:54.29ukhhppa is going out and so is ia64.
08:55.13ukhyeah, if you want a trouble-free sarge install I reckon the safest bet is getting an Apple PPC.
08:55.56Bor_Edwell, we'll see how long there will be new apple ppc's on sale : /
08:57.44Bor_Edhrm... visual inspection turn at work for today :/ buggr
08:58.41ukhvisual inspection?  as in "clean your desktop NOW"?
08:59.07Bor_Ednaa, qc kinda thingy before the devices go to test system
09:01.42ukhok, as in checking for no major caps mounted the wrong way?
09:02.24Bor_Edsomething like that... at www.vacon.com
09:03.48ukhaha!  you will supply cooling for the new Apple Pentium V CPUs!  ;-)
09:04.30Bor_Edcooling controllers :D
09:04.44Bor_Edthe coolers come from another company in this town (www.abb.com)
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09:30.55Bor_Ednon-us server is down ?
09:31.31abaBor_Ed: non-us ceased to exist.
09:31.47ukhI thought non-us would be shut down with the advent of sarge.
09:35.35Q-FUNKaba: ah.    didn't know about that.
09:35.49Q-FUNKaba: any press release mentioning the discontinuation of that?
09:35.51abaQ-FUNK: just read the release notes :)
09:36.14abawell, the press announcement did say it indirect ...
09:36.57Q-FUNKthere should be an explicit, separe PR to state that non-us will disappear.
09:37.19Q-FUNKit's a significant change enough to make people wonder what happened. :)
09:37.42abaQ-FUNK: they should read the release notes.
09:38.27ukhIMHO, sid/sarge non-us should've been shut down like a year ago.  but some maintainers only upload a new package every other release...
09:38.50Q-FUNKaba: they are not explicit enough.
09:39.21Q-FUNKthe release notes only say "main now includes some cryptographic software"
09:39.46Q-FUNKnon-us also included software with dodgy licenses, at some point.  it wasn't just crypto.
09:39.58ukh...and it would have been nice if sarge dpkg upon upgrading from woody had called for attention if it found non-US hiding in the sources.list
09:40.18Q-FUNKukh: that soulds like a job for apt.
09:40.46ukhQ-FUNK, yeah, you're right.  apt, not dpkg
09:41.27Q-FUNKlooking at the Release file of the current non-us, it was last updated at 3.0r2
09:42.53abahttp://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html#s-non-us
09:42.58aba2.1.2 non-US obsoleted
09:43.07abaI don't think it can be more explicit than that.
09:44.26ukhwell, at least sarge is out of the door.  although we still have issues remaining even from woody.  but nobody wants to do anything radical when "release" is pending Real Soon Now for almost a year.
09:48.44Q-FUNKI think a more usefull strategy would be to delete the content of the master non-US and to pulse that to mirrors that offer it. then everyone gets 404 errors when they try to fetch non-US form anywhere.
09:50.08ukhQ-FUNK: since they didn't even bother to *remove* packages way obsolete that long time ago moved to main, I think that would have been asking too much.  ;-)
09:50.23ukhremove from the non-US pool that is
09:53.01Q-FUNKaba: do you think that such a removal could be done anytime soon? :)
09:53.32abaQ-FUNK: the packages are removed - just the index files not regenerated, and the files not deleted from the pool.
09:54.02Q-FUNKah
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21:31.38Q-FUNKI really wonder when the freeze on unstable will be removed...
21:34.25Q-FUNKpackages have started piling up quite nicely.
21:35.14_rene_yeah, and OOo is on it's way :)
21:35.37mirakso apple is goin x86 ?
21:35.45mirakgoing
21:35.52bethapparently.
21:35.55mirakcan you believe it ?
21:35.56mirak:)
21:36.07mirakare you feeling seek ?
21:36.07_rene_unfortunately yes :/
21:36.11mirakhem sick
21:36.24Q-FUNKare you sihk?
21:37.51Q-FUNKme and the boys are trying to get some sound and it's not working now.  oh beth, what can i do?
21:38.04mirakwasn't ppc supposed to be superior arch ?
21:38.32Q-FUNKvhs won over betamax. history repeats itself.
21:38.48mirakisn't apple just trying to give away OS X and sell crapload of is own application to PC users ?
21:40.40Q-FUNK_rene_: looking forward to it
21:41.04_rene_Q-FUNK: this time even powerpc first ;)
21:41.16_rene_Q-FUNK: basically just "put-1.1.4-into-sid"
21:42.45bethmirak: that's not the spin I heard ... they'll still be making their own hardware, but windows apps will run on *it*
21:43.30mirakok nice move from them
21:43.36_rene_beth: yes, but with intel processors :/
21:43.45mirakhow can they do that if linux can't even do it ?
21:44.03mirakwill it be possible to install windows on this machines ?
21:44.20mirakif yes that's an even greatest move, if they want to sell them
21:44.33mirakno ?
21:44.34mirak:)
21:44.35_rene_no. it isn't
21:44.48_rene_it helps windows have more machines to infect
21:44.52_rene_that's bad
21:45.32mirakthough people would be less reluctant if they can have a dual boot
21:45.36Q-FUNK_rene_: i think that 1.1.4 is a tad too late to benefit etch. by the time etch is released, we will have ooo 3.x :P
21:45.41mirakwell but anyway if all window app can run
21:46.31_rene_but yes, 2.x probably :)
21:47.11mirakso bill gates is shitting in his pants
21:47.59Q-FUNK_rene_:  a shame that upstream did not end up making that 1.1.5 (basically 1.1.4.plus support for the oasis dtd). it would have been lovely as a transitional version for sarge.
21:48.35Q-FUNKmirak: he is not. the x-box uses powerpc chips.  go figure
21:48.59mirakI guess they will manage to run OS X on that
21:49.06mirak:p
21:51.29miraksimonrvn will commit suicide
21:52.33Q-FUNKaww.... dammiT!  http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/37766/index.html
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22:10.00simonrvni'm getting new stuff from sid now
22:10.11simonrvngcc 4, perl 5.8.7 for instance
22:10.35simonrvnSetting up libgcc1 (4.0.0-9) ...
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