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02:58.34demonoooh... I see unstable is earning its title once again
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03:50.31abofaisalIs it true there's no way to get video acceleration with the ATI chipsets in an iMac DV?
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04:26.38remorahi all
04:29.24remorai am attempting to install Sarge onto a G3 iMac. Have made a netinstall.iso, rebooted machine but it hangs.
04:29.45remorawould it be more productive to use the hard disk booting method?
04:33.54abofaisali just used the net install on my imac fv
04:33.56abofaisaldv
04:34.01abofaisalworked fine.. just can't get xfree going
04:35.35remorak, as i said, mine hangs
04:35.46remorai will try the hdd method
04:36.12remorawhat ver iMac do you have?
04:38.43abofaisaltangerine imac g3 /400
04:38.58abofaisalcool
04:39.00abofaisalgot it working
04:39.09remorawd
04:39.34remorawhat is your ram/cpu specs? mine are 128mb/350mhz
04:40.02abofaisal400mhz ... 256mb
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04:49.32remoraregarding the method described at: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/powerpc/ch04s05.html.en
04:50.37remorai can't seem to find the 4 files: vmlinuz, initrd.gz, yaboot, yaboot.conf at the supposed archive
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05:04.13splifis there someone who can help with booting a sarge install floppy on my old-world g3?
05:06.20splifI'm stuck and not sure how to get sarge going? woody has been on the sys for years now.
05:09.11thebugwhy go with install floppies? just apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
05:12.35splifI Just felt like I wanted to do a clean install, it has been atleast sense early 2003.
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05:43.06_rene_thebug: RTF release notes. use aptitude.
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09:37.42Bor_Edgcc4 has been included on sid :)))
09:38.43Mayhemsweet
09:39.09Bor_Edjust doing dist-upgrade and  "The following NEW packages will be installed:  gcc-4.0-base ......"
09:39.10Bor_Ed:D
09:39.43Q-FUNKyup.  uploads to sid have resumed a couple of days ago.
09:40.02Q-FUNKhowever, testing is still in freeze.  no trickling down to etch yet.
09:40.16Bor_Edhey, why some sources say 404 on update ?
09:43.24pahartikQ-FUNK: are you going to Nordic Atari Show 2005?
09:45.23Q-FUNKpahartik: is there one?  maybe.  I'd have to negotiate with my wife...
09:45.41Bor_Edatari ? :P
09:46.18pahartikQ-FUNK: http://www.sak.nu/nas/
09:47.23Q-FUNKah
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09:50.24Bor_Edbuggr, gnome-meeting is going to be removed from sys :I
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09:51.48Q-FUNKhm?
09:51.54Q-FUNKlibrary change or something?
09:53.31Bor_Edlibgnomeui-common
09:53.43Bor_Edand new gtk
09:54.07Bor_EdI think I can manage with ohphone for a while :)
09:55.08pahartikBor_Ed: "linphone"
09:56.25Q-FUNKBor_Ed: that's why I avoid touching unstable, especially after a release. testing tends to have that sort of issue already resolved.
09:59.13Bor_Edpoista käytöstä haaste-vaaste autentikointi ... WTF ??
09:59.31Bor_Edpahartik: does linphone do video ?
10:00.23pahartikBor_Ed: not yet, i think
10:00.31Bor_Edohphone has done for ages
10:02.50Bor_Edhmm, blue component has disappeared on the gfx :o
10:03.32Q-FUNKkernel component disappeared off the filesystem.
10:03.45Bor_Edthat's no biggie :D
10:03.58Bor_Edlack of blue though irritates somewhat
10:05.42Q-FUNKBor_Ed: did you say there is plenty of work available up north in your back of the woods?
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10:13.04Bor_EdQ-FUNK: well here is open positions all the time if you mean that
10:14.02Bor_Edhttp://www.vacon.fi/265282.shtml only the jobs that show on extranet ...
10:14.21sonnehttp://www.macworld.com/news/2005/06/06/powerpcintel/index.php
10:14.24sonneevil evil
10:15.11sonnethough german, I like that blog 'the dark force has taken over' http://machackers.annulator.de/
10:15.20Bor_Edhehe
10:15.31Bor_Edwell, there's always pegasos and mai boards :)
10:16.40sonnebut for how long ...
10:17.19Bor_EdI don't think freescale is giving up on ppcs... and ibm just started to sell their low end boxen with 970fx
10:33.35demonwell, by all accounts apple was a pretty small slice of their respective markets anyway (~2-3% for each)
10:34.17demonso apple's choice isn't going to stop ppc production by any means
10:35.20Q-FUNKöö... motor manufacturer?
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10:43.20Bor_EdQ-FUNK: ?
10:45.01Bor_Edahh, vacon does frequency controllers and drives... but we have hq in vaasa too which has all the sales, after sales, marketing and such non-technical yadayada positions too
10:46.43genbenhave any of you debiasts installed debiab on a G3 iMac?
10:47.00Bor_Edsend me g3 imac and I will
10:47.07genbendebiab*
10:47.11Q-FUNKgenben: I am using one right now.
10:47.17genbenhaha, thanks
10:47.34Bor_Edno deal ? :)
10:47.35genbenwhere are you? i am in .AU
10:48.10Bor_EdI'm ~in shower and heading to work...
10:48.40genbengr8 Q-FUNK ... maybe you can give me some tips
10:49.06genbeni am trying to install Sarge via the hard drive method over the net but not making a good show of it
10:50.30Q-FUNKvia the what?
10:51.18genbenyou know how you can do a netinstall, small .iso? well you can do a hard drive install with few files and do the rest directly from the net
10:54.16genbenhttp://www.debian.org/releases/stable/powerpc/ch04s05.html.en
10:55.50Q-FUNKok
10:56.14Q-FUNKI'm not familiar with that procedure.  her,e I just installed from CD, by holding the C key to boot from CD.
10:56.20genbenso how did you do yours?
10:56.44genbeni made a minimal .iso, did same thing but it just hangs
10:56.44Q-FUNKfrom CD
10:56.50genbensorry, lag
10:57.02Q-FUNKare you usng the updated iso with the fixed sources.list ?
10:57.21genbenhmm ... not sure, was from url ...
10:57.45Q-FUNKmake sure you use the revised iso
10:57.50Q-FUNKotherwise it will not work.
10:58.38genbenhttp://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/
10:59.05genbenok, well supposedly this mirror in sweden is the right one, but ok
10:59.23genbenwell it doesn't seem to work, so maybe that was the problem
11:00.36Q-FUNKtry the businesscard iso or the cd #1 iso
11:00.49genbenk, business card seems neat
11:00.50Q-FUNKI think that the netinst iso has been broken recently.
11:01.02genbenoh!
11:05.37genbenremind pls, where the business card .iso is, not finding it
11:12.42Q-FUNKhttp://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0/powerpc/
11:13.11genbenthanks
11:14.34Q-FUNKhttp://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/powerpc/
11:14.39Q-FUNKuse that one instead
11:14.42Q-FUNKfixed images
11:14.48genbenk
11:15.28genbencurrently i only have one linux sys (killed other 3) and that is my gentoo router and i don't have bittorent
11:16.16genbenah, np, it's an .iso
11:16.43genbenso you reckon that even that netinst.iso may be suspect and not function?
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11:19.29Q-FUNKI'd try the business card
11:20.16genbenk
11:20.42Q-FUNKanyhow, it's the smallest iso ther eis.  it's generally a good idea.
11:20.52genbentalking of iMac's ... how upgradeable is the cpu/ram ? i know nothing about mac arch
11:21.17simonrvnyou mean sub-arch
11:22.17genbener .. whatever, and i do not mean it like a teenaged 'whatever'
11:22.34genbenhardware architecture
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11:25.53Q-FUNKgenben: if you use min-DIMMS originally intended for clamshell iBooks, you can put two 256mb modules in your iMac.
11:26.07Q-FUNKhowever, you need to upgrade Open Firmware, before that.
11:26.43Q-FUNKrumour has it that putting an OS X installation CD, boting from that, then cancelling the installation, would upgrade the OF.
11:27.19Q-FUNKvideo ram can also be upgraded. IIRC you can put an additional 6mb of VRAM.
11:28.17genbenk
11:29.09Q-FUNKopening the imac is a somewhat scary procedure, especially upgrading the lower DIMM socket.
11:29.52genbeni was wondering about that, splitting the case
11:30.09genbenhey that url does not work, as in error 404
11:30.47Q-FUNKit might have incorrect access permissions.
11:30.53genbencdimage.debian.org resolves to ftp.se.debian.org
11:30.55Q-FUNKtry fetching the corresponding jigdo file
11:31.11genbenk
11:32.11genbenno such animal ... just seperate numdered jigdo binaries
11:32.26genbeni'll try the netinst.iso from that same location
11:32.31genbensee if it lets me
11:37.02genbenno, error 404 for both .iso's
11:48.50Q-FUNKhmm
11:49.01Q-FUNKmust be in the process of being uploaded then
11:49.36Q-FUNKI notice that they have not propagated to the mirrors yet, anyhow.
11:53.08genbenwell that's handy
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15:00.40mrwickI thought pmud would fix that problem.. got to get a handle on power management
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19:20.39crashinglinuxJust in case there are some who might be interested:
19:20.39crashinglinux<http://www.power.org/news/events/barcelona/>
19:20.39crashinglinuxThis is about  about the Power.org conference beginning in Barcelona tomorrow: "The day will consist of exciting technical seminars in the areas of academic applications, scientific applications, and Power Architectureâ„¢ and Linux® solutions." IBM, Novell and others will be there.
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20:19.20crashinglinux"IBM, Novell and others will be there" (in Barcelona) should better say: At least they're on the agenda list ... :)
20:32.11Q-FUNKah.  testing is starting to move again.
20:37.32_peteQ-FUNK: What's moving in testing/
20:37.35_petexorg?
20:39.21_rene__pete: that isn't even uploaded to sid yet
20:39.42_petesuperb, well that's just great, I'm switching to Ubuntu
20:39.49_peteI'm sick of waiting
20:40.02_rene_uh, wtf?
20:40.08_rene_there's *2* days after release
20:40.13_rene_give them some time
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20:40.48_peteyeah well sarge took what, 3 years to come out, I can't imagine how long x.org will take
20:41.18crashinglinuxAnyway: gcc-4.0 is in unstable now ... at last
20:42.10_petegcc-4.0 isn't polished yet, no performance + (at least that's what I heard)
20:43.09crashinglinuxhaven't tested it so far ...
20:43.12thebugit's quite true at least on x86, ppc, and sparc (the one's i've tested)
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20:43.47_peteSo are all the debian packages going to be recompiled on gcc-4.0 when it becomes better than the old gcc?
20:44.15crashinglinuxdon't know ..
20:44.23_rene_they sometime will have to. there some time will be a ABI transition to g++ 4.0 again
20:44.49_rene_and 4.0, 4.0.1 or whatever is up-to-date then be default compiler
20:45.10_rene_Debians gcc 4.0 packages are 4.0.1 CVS anyway :-)
20:47.58crashinglinuxI'll prolly compile 2.6.12-rc6  the next days ... I became curious :)
20:48.41crashinglinuxrc6?
20:48.45_rene_yes
20:48.55crashinglinuxhow is it ?
20:48.57_rene_and finally Bejamin fixed cpufreq a bit so that gnome-cpufreq-applet's selector work
20:49.04_peteI'm having a hard time making debian packages of stock kernel sources from kernel.org
20:49.10_rene_crashinglinux: good. works fine so far
20:49.30_rene__pete: you're doing something wrong. I do that all the time with make-kpkg
20:50.27thebugagreed, i have no problem with kernel.org or pretty much any kernel tree for that matter
20:51.03_petewhat command/argument combination?
20:51.22_rene_make-kpkg --revision rene.1 kernel_image modules_image
20:51.23_rene_wait
20:51.24_rene_tadaa
20:51.51_petewell sweet, I might just do that
20:52.04_peteand will modconf work with it?
20:52.23_rene_I don't use modconf, but why shouldn't it?
20:52.33_rene_it's a "normal" kernel install, just in a deb
20:53.18_peteOk
20:53.22_petewell tight
20:53.29_petedoes it autoconfigure?
20:53.43thebugno, you still have to make a sane configuration for it
20:53.51thebugit's not a mind reader :)
20:54.03_peteI thought it might be an lspci reader
20:54.25thebugthat'll come out with etch -- New Improved make-kpkg with ESP Ability!
20:54.47_petesweet, can't wait, hookup some funky electronics to my brain
20:54.49thebugdevice config isnt everything that goes into a kernel
20:55.32_peteI've never messed with the kernel
20:55.59_peteother than loading/unloading modules
20:57.48crashinglinux_pete: I don't like initrd .. so I had to compile my own kernel
21:00.04crashinglinuxand I wanted the HD blink LED enabled for a Ti-IV Book :) ...
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21:33.54Q-FUNK_rene_: is the ooo task finally fixed to only be available on arches that offer ooo-bin ?
21:36.00_rene_tasksel looks for openoffice.org-bin, yes
21:36.27_rene_and tasksel skips packages not there during build
21:36.40_rene_s/there/available/
21:38.25Q-FUNK_rene_: does it also implies that ooo-*_all.deb are not available to arches not offering ooo-bin?
21:39.43_rene_nope. that's still there.
21:39.56_rene_but that's nothing to do with tasksel but the archive structure
21:40.15Q-FUNKyes
21:40.30Q-FUNKI was just hoping that some solution would be found for this.
21:40.34_rene_but OOo2 will have openoffice.org2 (arch-dep), openoffice.org2-common (arch-indep), ...
21:40.45_rene_so the ppl don't have "openoffice.org" anymore
21:40.58_rene_they will have openoffice.org-common, openoffice.org-l10n-*
21:41.01_rene_though
21:41.10Q-FUNKah
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21:59.40Sayakanhello
22:00.23Sayakananybody can help me with my installation in a performa 6360
22:00.24Sayakan?
22:05.16Sayakanhello
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22:13.58Sayakananybody can help me with my performa 6360?
22:34.30peterrooneyxmms is thrashing my hard drive when configuredd  to use OSS even when nothing is being played.  use of other output plugins stops the thrashing, but no sound is to be had with -any- output plugin. this switch from woody to sarge has not been painless.  suggestions
22:38.44simonrvnSayakan: /msg ravenbird install guide
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23:02.44Sayakani can't startx beacuase the xfree86 crash caught signal 11 , i have a performa 6360. anibody know the configuration of xfree86 for performa 6360?
23:03.45simonrvndpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
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23:56.31Sayakansimonrvn don't work the configuration
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23:57.06simonrvnthen google for a conf, and for that model's strangenesses
23:57.18Sayakanok i try that
23:57.39simonrvn@listkeys mac
23:57.41ravenbirdFactoid search of 'mac' by key (15 of 81): CMD: macsmite (.*?) ;; CMD: smack (.*?) ;; CMD: smack2 (.*?) ;; be macintosh barbie ;; cmd: rovesmack (.*?) ;; emacs ;; gtk-xemacs ;; imac x ;; mac ;; mac daddy ;; mac-fdisk ;; mentorsmack ;; nandrew_smack ;; piggysmack ;; start an emacs holy war.
23:57.52simonrvnhmm
23:57.57simonrvn@models
23:58.03simonrvn@listkeys models
23:58.05ravenbirdFactoid search of 'models' by key (1): macmodels.
23:58.10simonrvn@macmodels
23:58.11ravenbirdhttp://simonraven.nuit.ca/macppc/models.shtml or http://wiki.kisikew.org/bin/view/Know/MacModels or http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/macppc/models.html
23:58.19simonrvngo see there
23:59.14Sayakanok thanks

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