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| 00:06.36 | simonrvn | http://http.us.debian.org unstable/main gnome-session 2.10.0-2 [Downloaded] |
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| 00:56.44 | Sayakan | simonrvn, the information is not for my problem saddly |
| 00:57.20 | Sayakan | anybody can help me for the copnfiguration of Xfree of the performa 6360? |
| 00:57.31 | Sayakan | i can't in to x |
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| 03:04.56 | elz | great, linux ppc 3.0r6 work very well on a 7200/120 up to now |
| 03:05.25 | elz | I'll burn the 6 other cd tomorrow |
| 03:06.54 | Sayakan | hello, anyboldy know the configuration of xfree for permorma 6360? |
| 03:07.03 | Sayakan | y can't enter to z |
| 03:07.04 | Sayakan | x |
| 03:07.25 | elz | that make me wonder, how do I add cd source (the other cd from the iso set) to apt-get database? |
| 03:07.43 | elz | I'll check the net, but if someone bother to tell |
| 03:09.27 | Sayakan | i check all the net |
| 03:10.14 | elz | seem the answer is on the man page anyway |
| 03:10.39 | elz | btw, is it possible to have a real texte mode? the one I got seem an kind of vga emulation of a text mode |
| 03:10.51 | elz | I maybe wrong too |
| 03:11.07 | Sayakan | i have console |
| 03:11.13 | Sayakan | and work in consolo |
| 03:11.17 | Sayakan | console |
| 03:11.25 | Sayakan | but i want the x |
| 03:11.48 | Sayakan | you have a configuration of xfree of you 7200? |
| 03:12.03 | elz | sayakan: great! |
| 03:12.10 | elz | where did you get it? |
| 03:12.56 | elz | now I only have the first iso of 3.0r6 koz I wanna made sure it was working allright before to burn the entire cd set, but I'm planning to install xfree |
| 03:13.39 | elz | I beleive the ati video card of the 7200 must be supported by now |
| 03:13.43 | Sayakan | download the first disc only and the installation floppy disc |
| 03:14.20 | elz | sayakan: I have did that, yet the 7200 is on the network, I only have a lossy dialup connection to inet |
| 03:14.41 | Sayakan | a ok |
| 03:14.57 | Sayakan | download all discs |
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| 03:15.31 | elz | great the boot bug from 2.2 was fixed in the 3.0 version, it's quite uncommon to see newer version of os to fix old hardware bug |
| 03:15.48 | Sayakan | a ok |
| 03:16.02 | Sayakan | is my first installation in a mac |
| 03:16.08 | Sayakan | linux on a mac |
| 03:16.22 | Sayakan | but the configuration for xfree cannot find it |
| 03:17.55 | elz | what distro you trying to install? |
| 03:18.46 | Sayakan | the same of you want to install |
| 03:18.47 | Sayakan | debian |
| 03:18.53 | Sayakan | but i install it |
| 03:19.13 | Sayakan | the only thing i cannot do is enter to x server |
| 03:21.08 | elz | can you enter xfree in vga? |
| 03:21.38 | Sayakan | i read a forums and indicated the driver es fbdev |
| 03:21.41 | Sayakan | not vga |
| 03:21.54 | elz | well, what is you video card? |
| 03:22.25 | Sayakan | is integrated |
| 03:22.40 | elz | sorry, I've called it vga koz I was referencing to something like "most gerenic video driver you can use" |
| 03:22.59 | Sayakan | i dona ok |
| 03:23.03 | Sayakan | ok |
| 03:23.21 | elz | like, macos9 seem to install in a kind of 640x480x16 colors mode, then upgrade his video driver |
| 03:23.32 | elz | I didnt knew it was called fbdev |
| 03:24.03 | Sayakan | i dont have macos 9 i installed in this computer macos 8.1 |
| 03:24.17 | elz | mac os 8 or 9 are pretty the same |
| 03:24.23 | Sayakan | yes |
| 03:24.43 | Sayakan | the driver fbdev is a driver for xfree86 |
| 03:25.31 | elz | I've heard that potatoe release didnt supported the ati from many oldworld mac, but I hope there is now |
| 03:25.59 | Sayakan | you have a ati video card? |
| 03:26.07 | elz | when you say the video card for performa 6360 is integrated, do you mean it's made by apple? |
| 03:26.25 | elz | sayakan: many mac where build with an ati |
| 03:26.46 | elz | about from 1996 to ~2000, now they have nvidia I think |
| 03:26.48 | Sayakan | yes made by apple |
| 03:28.14 | elz | in that case, good luck about finding drivers |
| 03:28.21 | elz | is you mac expansion is nubus or pci? |
| 03:29.05 | Sayakan | pci |
| 03:29.51 | elz | then I think you can install an ati pci video card on it and use it on xfree, but I'm very not sure of that |
| 03:30.26 | Sayakan | in the pci i install the net card |
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| 08:39.38 | ukh | does the mini mac support ACPI or the like? that is, I want to be able to have the box automatically shut down cleanly when I press the power button? also, does it support WOL? |
| 08:40.24 | ukh | ...running some incarnation of Debian of course |
| 08:41.25 | Q-FUNK | ukh: a very few macs have acpi emulation. for the rest, what it has mostly is like apm. |
| 08:48.51 | ukh | basically, what I'm looking at is to have a small and quiet box dedicated to run mpd (accessing the stuff over NFS, no local data), and the mac mini looks like it might be able to fit my needs. yeah, I know, I'll need to find some sort of USB soundcard if I don't want resampling to 48KHz. |
| 08:55.35 | pahartik | ukh: one can also use IEEE-1394 audio adapter |
| 08:56.12 | pahartik | ukh: where did you get that idea about 48000 Hz? |
| 08:57.02 | ukh | pahartik: oh that was just an assumption. the hardware specs of the mini mac very much resembles the iBook G4, where audio is locked at 48KHz. |
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| 08:58.45 | pahartik | ukh: on Macintosh workstations i have had to tell media players to resample to 44100 Hz |
| 08:59.01 | pahartik | ukh: including iBook G4 |
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| 09:01.29 | pahartik | ukh: MPEG audio layer 2 content from DVB-T and DVB-C always comes as 48000 Hz (and that is 95% of what i listen to) |
| 09:01.51 | ukh | and since iTunes downloads, iirc, are 48KHz, there's no real gain for Apple to put in a proper 44.1KHz clock too. |
| 09:03.06 | ukh | pahartik: all of my ogg's are ripped from my CD collection and thus 44.1kHz. I hardly have any 48kHz content at all. |
| 09:04.19 | pahartik | ukh: for whatever reason, i always got "choppy audio" unless i resampled to 44100 Hz |
| 09:07.21 | ukh | pahartik: that's odd. IIRC, the iBook G4 doesn't use proper DMA, but feeds the audio over an I2C channel to the D/A converter. But I haven't had a proper look. I just assume I need a somewhat better sound card for my purposes. |
| 09:09.33 | pahartik | ukh: i am looking for improvement as well... i would like to plug audio adapter with balanced outputs to IEEE-1394 |
| 09:10.23 | ukh | pahartik: my primary issue for now is just finding a small and *quiet* box. if there were small and *quiet* PC boxes, especially with an ISA slot, I would use my *old* classic Tropez card. Still haven't heard a card that sounds better. |
| 09:12.30 | ukh | pahartik: there are sound cards on FW that are supported by ALSA? |
| 09:14.52 | ukh | actually, finding even a reasonable USB card isn't that easy. I *only* want stereo, and preferrably with RCA plugs. External power (over say, battery) would be a plus. |
| 09:26.15 | pahartik | ukh: i did not find that ALSA related document but here is something: http://freebob.sourceforge.net/index.php/Main_Page |
| 09:29.41 | ukh | pahartik: ah... that looks like pro gear aimed at recording... I suspect it's slightly out of my price range |
| 09:30.59 | ukh | pahartik: what would the advantage over USB be? is there a lower latency on FW? |
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| 09:45.20 | Bor_Ed | hmm, what dpkg-reconfigure is required to allow ssh 1 key generation ? |
| 09:56.03 | ukh | Bor_Ed: I'm not sure dpkg-reconfigure allows that anymore, at least not for ssh-krb5. you'll probably need to use force. |
| 09:56.30 | ukh | (I know, there *are* cases where you do want version 1 rather than 2) |
| 10:23.32 | Bor_Ed | nm, got it |
| 10:24.03 | Bor_Ed | 1 case is having a cell phone that doesn't have enough guts to associate the ssh2 keys, ssh1 works just fine though :) |
| 10:24.59 | ukh | Bor_Ed: another case is running NetBSD on VAX. ssh2 negotiation takes minutes... |
| 10:25.20 | Bor_Ed | I believe that... though why don't you run telnet on lan then ? |
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| 10:27.29 | ukh | sometimes I need to connect over WiFi, and my AP is so brain damaged it won't run reliably with WPA (and actually it allows unauthenticated 802.1x sessions through). besides, ssh is *very* comfortable with X forwarding and automatic GSSAPI authentication. |
| 10:28.02 | Bor_Ed | true |
| 10:28.26 | Bor_Ed | hmm, bolt the wifi AP behind a linux box and do the auth and such stuff there ? |
| 10:30.31 | ukh | Bor_Ed: that's my intention - but I can't use stock Debian FreeRADIUS since it ships without TLS support (license incompatibility). it's a work in progress. I could of course set up kerberos-encrypted telnet too, but even ssh1 would be more secure |
| 10:31.29 | ukh | thus... WEP and ssh1 until I get things in order |
| 10:32.37 | Bor_Ed | hehe |
| 10:46.12 | Bor_Ed | hmm, the buggr won't let me in now with ssh1 keys... got to check why after the work (about to leave now) |
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| 11:59.30 | ukh | pahartik: it seems as though earlier Burgundy sound chips support maximum 44.1kHz. so it really ought to sound choppy. |
| 12:03.20 | ukh | however, according to the specs (and I have yet to find some more details), the mini mac should support 24bit and 32-96kHz |
| 12:09.19 | ukh | actually, you're right. all the cheapo systems appears to do 44.1kHz. I stand corrected. :-) |
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| 12:17.35 | demon | I thought pretty much every apple sound chip did 16 bit per sample 48 KHz stereo? |
| 12:18.58 | simonrvn | i thought it was 16 bit and 44-ish |
| 12:19.12 | ukh | demon: I thought so too - until I had a look at their specs - 44.1 and 16bit. |
| 12:19.13 | simonrvn | whatever =) |
| 12:20.15 | demon | huh |
| 12:20.22 | ukh | I gotta dig out those service manuals again - I'm certain I read 48kHz somewhere |
| 12:20.39 | demon | well... what do I care, my pismo's sound chip still works :) |
| 12:20.42 | simonrvn | that might've been an AV model |
| 12:21.15 | demon | all I know is you can pry my PPC linux boxes out of my cold dead hands... |
| 12:21.17 | simonrvn | like the 840, or 6500, or some other one |
| 12:21.30 | simonrvn | demon: :) |
| 12:22.07 | simonrvn | i feel the same way. my ppc boxen perform better than the p2 here |
| 12:22.28 | simonrvn | later folks |
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| 13:11.31 | _rene_ | interesting thread on -powerpc. now I probably know why I has those compile problems too :) |
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| 14:00.42 | Q-FUNK | _rene_: I tend to find that the grsec patch does a LOT more to improve the stability and responsiveness of kernels that premept does. here, I use grsec's Medium settin, minus the chroot_mount and mknod blocking. |
| 14:01.24 | Q-FUNK | _rene_: see http://q-funk.iki.fi for the settings I use. |
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| 18:37.59 | Anthro | I can't get DMA working properly with my factory-shipped internal HD on my dual G4 tower. Can anyone help? |
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| 19:10.48 | need_help | hello |
| 19:11.18 | need_help | excuse me, Im working on mac G3/233 with debian but i dont know how to configure the sound |
| 19:11.23 | need_help | can anybody help me? |
| 19:11.57 | Bor_Ed | modprobe dmasound_pmac if you have 2.2 series kernel and snd-powermac if you have 2.4 or 2.6 |
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| 19:12.30 | need_help | ok let me check i have 2.4.18 |
| 19:12.40 | Bor_Ed | either should do on that |
| 19:14.05 | need_help | i tried the first one and it gave no result |
| 19:14.12 | Bor_Ed | then it worked |
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| 19:14.37 | need_help | is it suppose to not return anything? |
| 19:14.52 | Bor_Ed | now set volume on aumix or whatever you prefer and try: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp ... it'll blow the speakers if the volume is at too high level |
| 19:15.19 | Bor_Ed | it should return you to the command prompt |
| 19:15.42 | need_help | yes thats what it return root@tlocalhost |
| 19:15.52 | Bor_Ed | yea, it worked then |
| 19:17.00 | need_help | cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp what is this line for? |
| 19:17.09 | need_help | how can i test the sound |
| 19:17.10 | need_help | ? |
| 19:17.12 | Bor_Ed | it'll shout white noise to speakers |
| 19:17.31 | need_help | its not doing anything |
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| 19:17.47 | Bor_Ed | ctrl+c that then |
| 19:18.27 | Bor_Ed | you need to setup the mixer settings... if you're in console, aumix will do or if you're in X, the desktop mixer should do |
| 19:18.27 | need_help | what should i do now? |
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| 19:18.54 | need_help | ok let me download aumix |
| 19:18.58 | need_help | i almost got it |
| 19:19.48 | need_help | ok i have aumix installed now |
| 19:20.47 | need_help | ok i hear teh noise now :) |
| 19:21.58 | need_help | but why cant i test it on control panel? |
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| 19:24.49 | Bor_Ed | I don't know which desktop you have so I told how to test the sound stuff in console |
| 19:26.07 | need_help | i have kde |
| 19:26.13 | need_help | mmm.. let me check witha cd |
| 19:26.56 | need_help | hey cant i open aumix with my user account? |
| 19:27.31 | Bor_Ed | chmod 666 /dev/dsp |
| 19:27.39 | Bor_Ed | and /dev/audio and /dev/mixer |
| 19:27.53 | need_help | ok let me try |
| 19:28.55 | need_help | ok it works :) |
| 19:28.59 | need_help | thanks a lot :) |
| 19:29.21 | Bor_Ed | no problemo |
| 19:29.30 | need_help | you guys rock! for one moment i tought id never hear the lap againa and i didnt wanted to go back to mac os :P |
| 19:29.37 | need_help | it doesnt let me do much |
| 19:29.38 | Bor_Ed | you might want to add yourself to audio group to prevent such hacking |
| 19:29.49 | need_help | i know |
| 19:30.07 | need_help | and doa chown with my new group |
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| 19:30.43 | need_help | hold o ill be right back |
| 19:30.48 | need_help | .quit |
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| 19:33.04 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: was he not supposed to "adduser ${LOGNAME} audio"? |
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| 19:34.17 | Bor_Ed | something like that... and he won't have any audio anyway since he did quit before I had a change to tell to add the buggr driver to /etc/modules |
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| 20:35.12 | jao | hi. i've got an unstable debian in my iBook G4 with a stock 2.6.11 kernel and was trying to access a LaCie FW HD --- anyone knows if this is supposed to work and, if so, where can I find further info about how? |
| 20:41.41 | pahartik | jao: is there some problem with it? |
| 20:42.54 | jao | pahartik, well, my system is not detecting it (e.g. /proc/scsi/scsi shows no attached device) |
| 20:44.17 | pahartik | jao: if it does not show up, maybe you have to load modules manually... |
| 20:44.48 | jao | i've loaded some of them... |
| 20:45.12 | jao | pahartik, do you know where can i find a list of them? |
| 20:45.49 | jao | (i only found instructions for other systems/hardware) |
| 20:45.50 | pahartik | jao: "ieee1394", "sbp2", "ohci1394" |
| 20:46.27 | jao | pahartik, those are loaded |
| 20:47.28 | pahartik | jao: "find /lib/modules/$(uname --release)/kernel/ | less" |
| 20:48.42 | pahartik | jao: does "dmesg" show attach and detach event messages when you plug and unplug that IEEE-1394 device? |
| 20:48.52 | jao | ahd what to look for there? (the ones you mentioned show up with lsmod) |
| 20:49.28 | jao | pahartik, nope |
| 20:49.34 | pahartik | jao: "dmesg | tail" |
| 20:50.29 | jao | nah; last message is about my eth0 link coming up. plugin the HD has no effect there |
| 20:51.14 | pahartik | jao: is it powered up normally? |
| 20:51.44 | jao | yup. i just tried to switch it off/on. no luck, either. |
| 20:52.54 | pahartik | jao: for some reason your IEEE-1394 adapter is not talking to kernel then... |
| 20:53.49 | pahartik | jao: try rebooting, try another kernel... |
| 20:53.52 | jao | so it seems :/ |
| 20:54.05 | jao | pahartik, ok, i'll try |
| 20:54.11 | jao | thanks |
| 20:55.10 | pahartik | jao: maybe drivers do not currently like to wake up properly after sleep or something |
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| 20:55.44 | jao | oh. that may be: i've put the laptop to sleep several times since last reboot |
| 20:56.03 | sk1p | try reloading the modules |
| 20:58.54 | jao | aha! |
| 21:00.05 | jao | SCSI device sda: 312581808 512-byte hdwr sectors (160042 MB) |
| 21:00.05 | jao | sda: asking for cache data failed |
| 21:00.05 | jao | sda: assuming drive cache: write through |
| 21:00.05 | jao | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:00.05 | jao | Attached scsi disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0 |
| 21:00.54 | jao | what's the sda to mount? |
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| 21:05.09 | ere | I have an iBook with debian and 2.6.11.10, unfortunately I have had numerous crashes lately, is it the hardware or is this kernel known to be unstable? |
| 21:06.09 | ere | just in case I'm trying to update my kernel to 2.6.11.11 with the following command in the kernel source top level directory: bzip2 -dc ../patch-2.6.11.11.bz2 | patch -p1, but I get the following message: The next patch would create the file Documentation/SecurityBugs, |
| 21:06.14 | _rene_ | self-built kernel? do you have preemptible kernel on? if yes, put it off |
| 21:06.15 | ere | which already exists! Assume -R? [n] |
| 21:06.31 | _rene_ | ere: the patch only will apply to plain 2.6.11 |
| 21:07.00 | ere | _rene_: ahh, the kernel is self built, I can try to disable kernel preemption first |
| 21:07.04 | ere | thanks |
| 21:09.37 | jao | hmmm. i get an 'attempt to read beyond the end of device' warning when trying to mount sda1... |
| 21:10.04 | jao | (sk1p, btw, thanks for your suggestion) |
| 21:11.08 | pahartik | jao: something like "mount -t hfsplus /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 /mnt/" |
| 21:14.06 | jao | pahartik, hm: i don't have a /dev/scsi |
| 21:16.26 | pahartik | jao: damn that... well, you could use "disktype /dev/sda" |
| 21:21.09 | jao | so ok, disktypes gives me a list of partitions which looks ok |
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| 21:21.47 | jao | bingo! |
| 21:21.56 | jao | thanks a lot, guys :) |
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