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| 03:56.28 | micker | hey all... running dist-upgrade to etch on my old world g3... any caveats I need to know about? |
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| 04:49.59 | abofaisal | I'm using Debian PPC on a iMac Dv 400, and though I get sound in every other app, I can't get any sound in GAIM. Does anyone know what's wrong? |
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| 09:46.52 | GentelMan1 | Hello I want Intstall Debian In a Performa 6214Cd |
| 09:47.17 | simonrvn | so install it |
| 09:47.20 | simonrvn | @install guide |
| 09:47.21 | ravenbird | for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual ; sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual ; sid: /msg ravenbird iyhtays. |
| 09:47.30 | simonrvn | @macmodels |
| 09:47.30 | ravenbird | http://simonraven.nuit.ca/macppc/models.shtml or http://wiki.kisikew.org/bin/view/Know/MacModels or http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/macppc/models.html |
| 09:47.54 | GentelMan1 | Can Debian Support this version of MAC |
| 09:48.28 | simonrvn | it's Mac, not MAC |
| 09:48.33 | GentelMan1 | Yes |
| 09:48.47 | Bor_Ed | hehe, requires nubus-pmac kernel |
| 09:49.47 | GentelMan1 | Please Can Debian Support this version of Mac |
| 09:49.58 | simonrvn | we just answered you. read |
| 09:50.09 | Bor_Ed | there is installer and instructions at http://nubus-pmac.sf.net to get debian to that |
| 09:50.16 | GentelMan1 | Yes Thank you |
| 09:50.23 | Bor_Ed | no prob |
| 09:53.33 | GentelMan1 | It is Unsupproted |
| 09:53.42 | GentelMan1 | It is Unsupported |
| 09:54.59 | Bor_Ed | 6200 series performas are supported |
| 09:55.03 | Bor_Ed | hrm |
| 09:56.20 | GentelMan1 | But I dont have an PCI Buc |
| 09:56.27 | GentelMan1 | But I dont have an PCI Bus |
| 09:56.34 | GentelMan1 | on My Performa |
| 09:57.33 | Bor_Ed | hrm, I just gave an url which has documentation and binaries for your performa.... |
| 09:58.18 | GentelMan1 | Yes |
| 10:01.01 | simonrvn | GentelMan1: so go see that site, and start reading |
| 10:01.43 | GentelMan1 | what Site Can give Me Another Time Please |
| 10:02.20 | simonrvn | scroll up, or use /lastlog |
| 10:03.11 | GentelMan1 | yes I found It http://nubus-pmac.sf.net |
| 10:04.29 | simonrvn | and what's with the caps in strange places? |
| 10:04.55 | Bor_Ed | simonrvn: picky. eh ? :) |
| 10:05.33 | GentelMan1 | I don't understand this |
| 10:06.02 | Bor_Ed | then you probably should continue using mac os |
| 10:06.03 | simonrvn | nah, just curious |
| 10:06.18 | Bor_Ed | hehe |
| 10:06.28 | Bor_Ed | hmm, you know the site power.org ? |
| 10:07.21 | GentelMan1 | no |
| 10:07.27 | Bor_Ed | meant that to simonrvn |
| 10:07.35 | GentelMan1 | OI want the Procedure For Installation Please |
| 10:07.57 | GentelMan1 | I'm New In Linux Debian |
| 10:08.01 | GentelMan1 | Please |
| 10:08.24 | GentelMan1 | I have It in My PC And I want Install it In My Mac |
| 10:08.24 | Bor_Ed | umm, the site I gave has links to the documentation |
| 10:08.32 | simonrvn | Go. Read. The. Web. Site. Given. To. You. |
| 10:08.42 | Bor_Ed | sheesh :) |
| 10:08.54 | Bor_Ed | hrm, SheEsh :) |
| 10:10.12 | Bor_Ed | anyway, got to drop by to fill the scootah tank and buy something to eat... |
| 10:11.09 | simonrvn | ok |
| 10:11.37 | GentelMan1 | I can't open the site that you give me |
| 10:11.53 | GentelMan1 | Aren you sure that is the correct Adress |
| 10:21.44 | simonrvn | yes, it is the right one |
| 10:23.34 | GentelMan1 | Like that www.power.org |
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| 11:05.10 | nohero | ciao |
| 11:05.14 | Bor_Ed | why non-us.debian.org still doesn't have a hit ? :o |
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| 11:06.00 | nohero | someone can explain ma about the reason of steve jobs to pass to intel? |
| 11:06.52 | Bor_Ed | you can only guess what pushed him to that |
| 11:13.22 | Bor_Ed | hehe, same here |
| 11:25.32 | ukh | if IBM had any sense at all, they'd ought to team up with Ubuntu and deliver PPC based workstations now when Apple won't be mad at them for competing in the same segment. But I never understood big business and especially not IBM. |
| 11:26.34 | Bor_Ed | ibm has a soft point for suse ... |
| 11:28.40 | ErRandir | or partner with terrasoft |
| 11:28.59 | Bor_Ed | they're the makers of ydl, right ? |
| 11:29.24 | ukh | and I guess the "workstation" market is a ghost these days anyway. sun, sgi, hp/dec are all distant memories of what once was cool. |
| 11:29.47 | ErRandir | Bor_Ed: yep |
| 11:29.58 | Bor_Ed | sun still has decent workstations... and tadpole cool lappies :) |
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| 11:31.06 | ukh | sun costs way too much and if you're sick of big bloated apps each and every one requiring some bloated JVM, you kind of want to avoid it. |
| 11:31.58 | Q-FUNK | sun makes lappies? |
| 11:32.11 | pahartik | Q-FUNK: no |
| 11:32.33 | Bor_Ed | Q-FUNK: tadpole does... www.tadpole.com |
| 11:32.39 | Q-FUNK | ah |
| 11:32.48 | Bor_Ed | they're sparcs and 100% sun desktop compatible |
| 11:33.22 | ukh | sun is going amd64 and redhat/suse anyway. sparc is just as doomed as ppc, mips, alpha, pa-risc and itanium |
| 11:33.58 | Bor_Ed | isn't intels '64 bit' cpu based on itanium ? |
| 11:34.40 | ukh | Bor_Ed: their nocona or EM64T is a clone of AMD's 64-bit technology and has nothing to do with titanium |
| 11:37.28 | ukh | by the looks of it, i'd guess that the "new" intel-macs will support EM64T. perhaps not in the lappies though. |
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| 11:42.29 | ukh | Tadpole Comet? gee, why on earth would I want a SunRay lappie? would any sane network admin even allow it? |
| 11:44.55 | Bor_Ed | us military is biggest customer for tadpole... go figure |
| 11:58.58 | Q-FUNK | well, it seems that today is the day I'm gonna find out if there really is such a thing as justice in this country. I finally received a huge envelope with the administrative court's decision on my appeal against the immigration. |
| 12:00.03 | Bor_Ed | don't hope too good result |
| 12:00.40 | Q-FUNK | I no longer hope for anything. I stand back and watch. |
| 12:01.19 | Bor_Ed | yea... btw, kela did screw us for a change too |
| 12:02.06 | Q-FUNK | they always do. |
| 12:02.58 | Bor_Ed | yea, now they managed to pay '380 eur too much' in one month for asumistuki and now we're paying it back again for some years... last decision was from '03 (they paid '200 too much') and we're still paying it too |
| 12:03.53 | Q-FUNK | they did that to us too. that's partly why I get almost nothing in työtömyyspäivärahaa. |
| 12:04.08 | Bor_Ed | been there too :I |
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| 13:38.10 | simonrvn | Bor_Ed: no more non-us. merged into main |
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| 13:44.47 | simonrvn | re |
| 13:46.05 | Bor_Ed | simonrvn: ahh, well then... prolly have to remove it from sources too :) |
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| 13:47.46 | simonrvn | yup |
| 13:48.36 | Bor_Ed | now next stop to merge to main is buggr working jre and mplayer |
| 13:49.05 | simonrvn | well, seems mplayer devs were working on getting it dfsg free |
| 13:49.27 | Bor_Ed | I see |
| 13:49.40 | Bor_Ed | so it'll eventually come to deb repos too |
| 13:49.53 | Bor_Ed | there's still java (and perhaps flash) too |
| 13:50.07 | simonrvn | fuck those =) |
| 13:50.40 | Bor_Ed | well, it wouldn't be bad having the sites with full content (like happytreefriends.com :) |
| 13:51.04 | Q-FUNK | HAISTA LA PASKA, SUOMI! :d |
| 13:51.19 | Bor_Ed | Q-FUNK: no go ? |
| 13:51.49 | Q-FUNK | we won. they reversed the decision. |
| 13:51.58 | Bor_Ed | ahh |
| 13:52.02 | simonrvn | hey congrats :) |
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| 15:48.45 | pahartik | Q-FUNK: good for you then? |
| 15:50.37 | pahartik | Q-FUNK: party tonight? |
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| 16:21.05 | Q-FUNK | pahartik: actually, no. |
| 16:21.11 | Q-FUNK | legalese is a pain to read. |
| 16:21.44 | Q-FUNK | I just figured that that only did I lose, but my lawyer made a couple of fatal mistakes thta could easily lead to his loosing his practice rights. |
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| 17:07.49 | ioops | hi |
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| 17:19.17 | _rene_ | cloned won't work. |
| 17:19.26 | _rene_ | at least not with XFree86.. |
| 17:19.49 | _rene_ | but vga out while you don't see anything on your LCD does work if you want to change your config everytime in one line :) |
| 17:20.16 | fluor- | _rene_: well, I'll go with that |
| 17:20.30 | _rene_ | you want my X config? :) |
| 17:20.30 | fluor- | _rene_: I have to use it in less than an hour for a public event - our beamer just died |
| 17:20.38 | fluor- | _rene_: that would be nice, thanks |
| 17:20.43 | fluor- | _rene_: don't you need to recompile X ? |
| 17:20.55 | _rene_ | no. just config it |
| 17:20.57 | fluor- | oh |
| 17:21.01 | fluor- | that would be marvellous |
| 17:21.11 | fluor- | I'm following http://seb.france.free.fr/linux/ibookG4/iBookG4-howto-5.html#ss5.6 |
| 17:21.26 | fluor- | but last time I tried it, compiling ended up with errors |
| 17:21.37 | fluor- | and I don't have time to debug it right now |
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| 17:21.38 | _rene_ | fluor-: zyklop.dyndns.org/~rene/XF86Config-4 |
| 17:21.45 | _rene_ | this is for the "normal" mode |
| 17:22.03 | _rene_ | comment out that UseFBDev one and restart X while the external stuff is connected |
| 17:22.22 | _rene_ | then you'll get that stuff on the external stuff and not on the lcd |
| 17:22.27 | fluor- | should that do the magic? |
| 17:22.29 | _rene_ | the other way round for going back |
| 17:22.36 | fluor- | _rene_: thanks a bunch |
| 17:22.44 | _rene_ | fluor-: just did a presentation with that method yesterday :) |
| 17:22.48 | fluor- | _rene_: you have an iBook G4 12", right? |
| 17:22.51 | _rene_ | yep |
| 17:23.00 | fluor- | excellent - so I don't have to change the modelines |
| 17:23.09 | fluor- | _rene_: you're my (well, our) savor for the day, cheers! |
| 17:24.28 | _rene_ | fluor-: beware that you won't see the console on lcd |
| 17:24.29 | _rene_ | only X |
| 17:24.44 | _rene_ | err |
| 17:24.49 | _rene_ | s/lcd/vga out/ |
| 17:26.11 | fluor- | ok, trying it now |
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| 18:40.06 | jbond00747-2 | Hi. After upgrading my system to sarge and trying to upgrade my kernels, yaboot doesn't load anymore so my system won't boot |
| 18:40.24 | jbond00747-2 | it dies with the upper left corner of my screen saying "Loading second stage bootstrap..." |
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| 19:15.51 | simonrvn | re-run ybin in your chrooted system maybe |
| 19:16.07 | simonrvn | meh |
| 19:19.20 | demon | heh... I suppose you guys have been flooded with "OMG upgraded to sarge and everything's broke!" pleas |
| 19:22.01 | Bor_Ed | haven't seen a single one yet :o |
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| 21:28.52 | simonrvn | demon: some yeh. *sigh* |
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| 23:42.33 | pirate | Moving to Intel... little cockup there? |
| 23:42.42 | gnusosa | yep |
| 23:43.52 | pirate | How about f$ckup? |
| 23:43.59 | pirate | =P~ |
| 23:45.04 | pirate | Wonder how many more PPCs are lined up before they cut it |
| 23:45.07 | dloer | the last apple I owned died 2 days ago |
| 23:45.17 | dloer | and it was definitively the last |
| 23:45.26 | pirate | Did you pour water on it? |
| 23:45.37 | dloer | their quality is as shitty as x86 already |
| 23:45.46 | dloer | but their prices are twice as high |
| 23:45.48 | dloer | :-/ |
| 23:45.51 | pirate | Well, that's nice and positive. |
| 23:47.07 | pirate | Do you really find the quality that bad? |
| 23:47.37 | pirate | I've seen things out there that fall apart much easier than PowerBooks do =D |
| 23:48.10 | dloer | I own an ibook |
| 23:48.18 | dloer | I had 7 total crashed |
| 23:48.21 | dloer | 3 times the HD |
| 23:48.25 | dloer | 1 time display |
| 23:48.30 | pirate | OUch =/ |
| 23:48.34 | dloer | 2 times the akku |
| 23:48.42 | dloer | 1 time the trafo |
| 23:48.44 | dloer | so... |
| 23:48.49 | dloer | yes I definitively think |
| 23:49.06 | dloer | their prices don't come out of nowhere :-/ |
| 23:49.23 | pirate | Well, I was impressed by the PowerBook standards. I even have one old 800Mhz that's still going. |
| 23:49.41 | pirate | Except the pixels are starting to... how do you say... perish |
| 23:49.42 | dloer | I have an 700 ibook |
| 23:50.06 | dloer | the last thing is the repair politics |
| 23:50.17 | dloer | they take a look at it and classify |
| 23:50.24 | dloer | then you get a fixed price |
| 23:50.29 | dloer | which begins at 427 EUR |
| 23:50.37 | dloer | that is half the price of a new ibook |
| 23:50.38 | pirate | Steep. |
| 23:50.40 | pirate | What about USA? |
| 23:51.02 | pirate | Is the policy more lax, or more or less the same? |
| 23:51.10 | pirate | -more |
| 23:51.19 | dloer | 28 EUR for a single new foot... a 3 mm plastic piece which is for free at most other companies |
| 23:51.30 | pirate | I'm in Africa... there are no repair policies without a ripof |
| 23:51.33 | pirate | * ripoff |
| 23:51.33 | dloer | mostly the same afaik |
| 23:51.42 | dloer | I'm in germany |
| 23:51.59 | pirate | Yikes. 28 EUR for a rubber stopper !! |
| 23:52.18 | pirate | That's painful. |
| 23:52.19 | dloer | my next laptop will be a thinkpad X40 I think |
| 23:52.42 | dloer | thats not painful, thats insolent |
| 23:52.44 | pirate | That's a good quality laptop. I don't know about the graphics on that though. |
| 23:53.07 | dloer | I hardly play, so I really don't care about graphics :-) |
| 23:53.24 | dloer | but 7 to 8h of uptime speak for themselves |
| 23:53.31 | dloer | and half the weight of an ibook |
| 23:54.33 | pirate | It's a solid laptop... both are still somewhat getting shat out of IBM for now though |
| 23:55.32 | dloer | thats why I'm waiting |
| 23:56.10 | pirate | For laptops to be run on kinetic energy? |
| 23:56.32 | dloer | if IBM is allowed to sell it's thinkpad part |
| 23:56.37 | dloer | anyhow |
| 23:56.40 | dloer | I'm going to bed |
| 23:56.41 | dloer | gn8! |
| 23:56.45 | pirate | Cheerio. |
| 23:56.49 | nefertum | have anybody already try the usb's wich must run in linux/ppc ? |