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| 00:12.23 | Curalton | pirate: for those things under ibooks? 28? |
| 00:13.23 | pirate | Curalton: I'm positive that's what he meant |
| 00:16.40 | Curalton | hmm, 50% are gone already under this ibook :S |
| 00:17.07 | pirate | 100% gone on my one Power =D |
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| 01:48.26 | Ry12 | would debian and gnome or os x be faster on a 300mhz 320mb ram powerbook |
| 01:48.40 | kimo_sabe | Gnome |
| 01:48.45 | Ry12 | much? |
| 01:48.49 | kimo_sabe | it'd better be at least |
| 01:48.58 | kimo_sabe | Panther drags on my 500 |
| 01:49.03 | kimo_sabe | iBook |
| 01:49.09 | Ry12 | how muich ram |
| 01:49.13 | kimo_sabe | 640 |
| 01:49.42 | Ry12 | it doesnt seem much slower on my 300mhz powerbook than my dads 900mhz ibook |
| 01:51.09 | Curalton | from ubuntu i hear that kde3.4 is faster than gnome 2.10, at least on x86 |
| 01:51.14 | Ry12 | is there a port of slackware 9 or 10 for ppc yet? |
| 01:52.34 | Curalton | err, if a quick google doesnt find it chances are not |
| 01:53.17 | Curalton | leaves you with debian, ubuntu and gentoo (the last for the cold winter) |
| 01:58.27 | Ry12 | wouldnt gentoo on ppc be pointless since the code would end up the same as on any other ppc distro |
| 02:07.19 | davem | Gentoo is pretty much pointless on any arch |
| 02:07.51 | kimo_sabe | hey! You gotta earn that Type-R sticker! |
| 02:07.54 | kimo_sabe | :) |
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| 02:23.36 | Curalton | hah :) |
| 02:24.19 | Curalton | who knows what gentoo makes out of that powerbook :) |
| 02:24.55 | Curalton | also, on 2nd thought at least you will have to install something debian-ish since that pbook is oldworld |
| 02:28.57 | Ry12 | would 3.1 work? |
| 02:29.22 | demon | haha |
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| 02:36.32 | Curalton | uh, ask the oldword guys. something will i guess :) |
| 02:36.40 | Curalton | but im off, nn |
| 02:37.17 | Curalton | note that you can change your source.list afterwards though and morph the debian into an ubuntu :) |
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| 05:54.11 | elz | debian ppc 3.0r6 is real good |
| 05:56.53 | elz | one point, it dont wanna mount the sdb2 (ext2) wich was added after the install was done |
| 05:57.08 | elz | I'll try to reinstall and get the swap to be on that secondary disk |
| 05:57.22 | elz | mount or die |
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| 06:08.03 | nenn | does anyone know how to make the console font be the same as the openfirmware font? |
| 06:09.28 | elz | nenn: only thin I can sez is quik.conf : video= |
| 06:11.41 | nenn | elz: quik being the boot loader? because i dont have a quik.conf im using yaboot. |
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| 06:15.41 | elz | neon: I guess you have yaboot.con in etc wich you can configure the same |
| 06:15.51 | elz | but that's just some expectations |
| 06:16.04 | elz | .conf that is |
| 06:16.04 | nenn | do you know the name of the font? |
| 06:16.10 | elz | no |
| 06:16.18 | elz | but I think you can set the font in there too |
| 06:16.20 | nenn | poop |
| 06:16.45 | elz | I wanna boost my quik vga to 132x80 or something like it |
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| 06:17.14 | elz | I wonder about the text mode of debian ppc on mac... is it a real text mode? |
| 06:18.09 | nenn | what do you mean is it a real text mode? |
| 06:18.48 | elz | x86 computer have native real fast text mode and slow text mode emulation in vga mode... I think mac computer may only use text mode emulation in vga |
| 06:19.04 | nenn | mmm i see |
| 06:19.14 | elz | but I think only 68k computer didnt have real text |
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| 06:19.25 | elz | I really hate macintosh |
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| 06:19.54 | elz | but I think that 7200/120 2gb hd 144mb ram can have some use if it is being driven by linux |
| 06:20.47 | nenn | why use it if you hate it? |
| 06:21.11 | elz | I hate macos and ppl using a mac |
| 06:21.50 | elz | I'm trying to run bitchx thru a mlink right now |
| 06:21.54 | elz | dont seem to work :/ |
| 06:22.20 | pahartik | elz: i like mostly all non-wintel computers and Unix |
| 06:22.30 | Q-FUNK | pahartik: I'm selling all the Atari stuff. can you ask around, when you visit NAS, if anybody is interested. |
| 06:23.58 | pahartik | Q-FUNK: ok, if i get there this time |
| 06:24.58 | Q-FUNK | pahartik: or if you still subscribe to their mailing list, could you please tell them that I posted a message about it on their For Sale discussion board. |
| 06:25.03 | nenn | anyone know the name of the font used by openfirmware? |
| 06:30.01 | elz | ok, bitchx cant connect koz my proxy have some blalant flaw :/ |
| 06:31.54 | elz | neon: then say art have nothing to do w/ computers ;) |
| 06:37.57 | elz | hehe |
| 06:38.00 | elz | it finally worked |
| 06:38.09 | elz | I'm bitchx thru mlink on efnet |
| 06:38.26 | elz | woody is such a masterpiece |
| 06:44.25 | Q-FUNK | woody is old. |
| 06:44.46 | Q-FUNK | sarge is the new stable. |
| 06:46.39 | elz | common dude |
| 06:46.50 | elz | my 7200/120 only have 2gb of hard drive space |
| 06:46.55 | elz | 120mhz cpu |
| 06:47.01 | elz | cant read dvd |
| 06:47.18 | elz | potato had some problems woody fixed |
| 06:47.42 | elz | the 7200 boot bug was fixed... great work, congrats to dudes that did it |
| 06:48.32 | elz | hum... I see now that a reboot command do a shutdown -h now |
| 06:48.39 | elz | that is intolerable!!! |
| 06:48.56 | Q-FUNK | and? what does model number and hard-disk space have to do with it? |
| 06:49.00 | pahartik | elz: "cant read dvd" depends on what kind of DVD-ROM device is connected to SCSI bus... |
| 06:49.23 | elz | pahart: that must be and 2 to 8 x cdrom reader |
| 06:49.28 | Q-FUNK | if it has a network connection, you can upgrade. |
| 06:49.58 | elz | I've added an second hard drive |
| 06:50.08 | elz | mac-fdisk can write on it, but I cant mount it :/ |
| 06:50.46 | Q-FUNK | filesystem? |
| 06:51.38 | elz | great |
| 06:51.52 | elz | since I've added vga=? onto quik.conf that computer dont boot at all |
| 06:52.37 | elz | that usual bring you a menu on boot asking you for video mode ya want |
| 06:52.50 | elz | but it seem unsuported for ppc ;) |
| 06:54.50 | pahartik | elz: "fbset" utility is for modifying frame buffer settings |
| 06:55.13 | elz | pahartik: are you talking about xfree86? |
| 06:56.24 | pahartik | elz: no, "/etc/X11/XF86Config-4" is configuration file for current XFree server |
| 06:56.55 | elz | pahartik: I dont having anything about x installed (yet) |
| 06:57.09 | elz | I was talking about text mode of linux |
| 06:58.04 | pahartik | elz: me too, virtual consoles in frame buffer |
| 06:58.22 | elz | ah ok, I ignored that |
| 06:58.57 | elz | fbset is working on wich stuffÉ |
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| 07:53.34 | Ry12 | i cant get my oldworld pbook to mount any debian cds |
| 07:53.47 | Ry12 | is there special way i need to burn the iso? |
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| 08:41.58 | fluor- | clear/W |
| 08:42.01 | fluor- | woops |
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| 09:31.02 | one_2_one | hi all |
| 09:31.20 | one_2_one | quakeworl for ppc exist ? |
| 09:31.27 | one_2_one | *quake world |
| 09:31.29 | one_2_one | ;) |
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| 09:55.28 | Ry12 | what opens sit files in linux |
| 09:58.28 | Q-FUNK | good question |
| 10:01.48 | one_2_one | qemu > stuffit (linux x86) ? |
| 10:02.58 | one_2_one | if stuffit4linux_x86 exist |
| 10:02.59 | one_2_one | lol |
| 10:05.04 | Ry12 | does anyone here have an oldworld mac |
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| 10:24.59 | Ry12 | how do i install bootx |
| 10:26.57 | Q-FUNK | pahartik might know the answer to that |
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| 10:52.01 | Ry12 | can someone at least give me a link to a howto or something |
| 10:54.10 | one_2_one | penguinppc.org |
| 10:54.14 | one_2_one | google.com |
| 10:55.28 | Bor_Ed | use basiliskII and run os 8.x inside it |
| 11:15.41 | Ry12 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:17.55 | Bor_Ed | hmm, then you can use the qemu and x86 ver of the stuffit expander as one_2_one said |
| 11:24.12 | Ry12 | thought u were talking about installing xboot == |
| 11:24.43 | Bor_Ed | umm, how to install bootx ? |
| 11:25.09 | Bor_Ed | no biggie, extract the binary in macos partition, create Linux Kernels folder and put the kernel and initrd there |
| 11:25.44 | Ry12 | then? |
| 11:25.50 | Bor_Ed | that's it |
| 11:25.59 | Bor_Ed | penguinppc.org has documentation about bootx |
| 11:26.29 | Bor_Ed | http://penguinppc.org/bootloaders/bootx/ |
| 11:26.30 | Ry12 | do i put the folder with the kernel in the systemfolder? |
| 11:26.59 | Bor_Ed | a sec, I' |
| 11:27.05 | Bor_Ed | ll mount the mockos disk to check |
| 11:27.27 | Bor_Ed | yup, it's on system folder |
| 11:27.45 | Ry12 | is the os9 folder ? |
| 11:28.03 | Bor_Ed | yes |
| 11:29.09 | Ry12 | when i try to run bootx in os 9 it says it couldnt find a suitable kerenl file |
| 11:29.31 | Bor_Ed | you need the Linux Kernels folder and a kernel and initrd in that folder |
| 11:30.28 | Ry12 | then do i drag "bootx 1.1.3" folder to the os9 system folder |
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| 11:30.45 | Bor_Ed | yup |
| 11:32.20 | Ry12 | since im booting the debian install cd should i copy the kernel from the disc |
| 11:32.46 | Bor_Ed | yup, there is the kernel and initrd for bootx |
| 11:34.07 | Ry12 | theres 3 kernel. powerpc power4 and power3 |
| 11:34.20 | Ry12 | which one is bootx |
| 11:34.24 | Bor_Ed | powerpc is one for you |
| 11:41.11 | Ry12 | i clicked linux and the it died so i reset and it just boot back into os9 |
| 11:41.47 | Bor_Ed | then there's something wrong with the linux settings |
| 11:42.10 | Ry12 | when i click linux whats supposed to happen? |
| 11:42.45 | Bor_Ed | in the bootx ? it'll remove mockos from memory, load and run linux kernel with the initrd you've specified |
| 11:43.04 | Ry12 | what should i set as the root device? |
| 11:43.16 | Bor_Ed | the initrd |
| 11:44.22 | Ry12 | . /dev/initrd ? |
| 11:44.37 | Bor_Ed | no, the initrd file you copied from cd |
| 11:44.46 | Bor_Ed | and did put that to the linux kernels folder |
| 11:45.05 | Ry12 | yeah |
| 11:45.18 | Ry12 | but i just left the root device blank |
| 11:48.54 | jao | hi. can anyone recommend a (usb?) wireless card for a debian on a iBook G4? |
| 11:57.03 | _rene_ | D-Link DWL-122 (it's b only, though) |
| 12:00.04 | jao | _rene_, what's 'b only'? |
| 12:01.02 | jao | ah, ok |
| 12:01.06 | jao | thanks |
| 12:02.30 | _rene_ | jao: 11M |
| 12:02.41 | _rene_ | s/M/MBit/ |
| 12:08.23 | Ry12 | w00t got it working. i had to put the initrd in the os9 system folder |
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| 13:53.16 | simonrvn | hi |
| 13:53.36 | Bor_Ed | morning |
| 13:54.06 | simonrvn | yup. morning here, afternoon over there :). g'afternoon :) |
| 13:54.29 | Bor_Ed | it's ~sauna time here actually :) |
| 13:55.22 | simonrvn | ooh |
| 13:55.43 | Bor_Ed | yup :) |
| 13:55.53 | simonrvn | i haven't done that in ages. |
| 13:56.13 | Bor_Ed | once/week here... would go more often but we only have 1 slot/week |
| 13:56.30 | simonrvn | :/ |
| 13:57.11 | Bor_Ed | oh well, at least we can boil ourselves on the beach now... |
| 13:58.35 | simonrvn | heh, yeh. it's hot enough last few days (til wed. too) to boil |
| 14:01.07 | Q-FUNK | simonrvn: if I ever drop by la belle province, we should head for the sweat lodge in kanesatake. |
| 14:01.24 | simonrvn | sure. you read my mind :) |
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| 14:26.02 | Bor_Ed | nice 90°C in the sauna |
| 14:27.19 | simonrvn | gonna go pick up some tobacco in kahnawake... today, or tomorrow |
| 14:31.43 | simonrvn | really sticky though, didn't rain. we need rain =) |
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| 16:05.33 | soopurman | I'm following the Sarge instructions to boot the installer directly from the hard drive (http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/powerpc/ch04s05.html.en#files-newworld) but I keep getting an error that the .iso image can't be found |
| 16:06.41 | soopurman | I've copied debian-31r0a-powerpc-businesscard.iso into the root of OS X partition |
| 16:07.01 | soopurman | am I missing something ? |
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| 17:23.27 | soopurman | i'm trying to boot the Sarge installer from my TiBook hard drive. I copied vmlinux, initrd.gz, yaboot, yaboot.conf and debian-31r0a-powerpc-businesscard.iso to the root of my OS X partition. Shortly after selecting my language and locale details, the installer keeps going all red for the "Scan hard drives for an installer ISO image" screen, with the message: "Failed to find an installer ISO image". Is there some trick for getti |
| 17:23.27 | soopurman | ng this to work thats not documented in the vicinity of http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/powerpc/ch04s05.html.en#files-newworld ? |
| 17:25.29 | simonrvn | try doing the h/w detect first... |
| 17:27.06 | Bor_Ed | simonrvn: watching f1 time trials ? |
| 17:27.21 | simonrvn | no. i boycott that too |
| 17:27.33 | Bor_Ed | ahh, I see |
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| 17:33.07 | Stereo | soopurman: an easier thing might be putting a netinsts iso on an external hd |
| 17:33.13 | Stereo | like an iPod |
| 17:34.49 | soopurman | Stereo: I have a usb thumb drive... i guess i can try that |
| 17:40.55 | Stereo | in mac os x, just take the iso in disk utility and restore it to the usb stick. You'll lose all the data on the stick, of course |
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| 17:57.51 | demon | er... will OF boot from an ISO filesystem on a USB flash disk like that? |
| 18:00.53 | simonrvn | good question... i somehow doubt it |
| 18:03.17 | Bor_Ed | I pretty much doubt it |
| 18:04.37 | soopurman | has anyone else gotten the "installer boot from hard drive" method to work ? |
| 18:05.38 | simonrvn | never tried it |
| 18:06.01 | Bor_Ed | don't have the gear to try it |
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| 18:38.15 | Stereo | I installed tiger from an iPod. That's all I know. |
| 18:38.31 | Stereo | if you can boot from a cd, why couldn't you boot from a usb stick? |
| 18:43.25 | gnusosa | hi |
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| 18:47.38 | ioops | bonsoir |
| 18:49.43 | Q-FUNK | hi |
| 18:51.04 | soopurman | i figured it out. i had to manually "modprobe hfsplus". |
| 18:55.04 | Curalton | ah, on the topic of hfsplus: if i wipe a hfs+ parition with os x on it and copy another os x over it, will it still boot? |
| 18:55.34 | Curalton | i.e. does yaboot use the filname /mach for the kernel or the inode (which will have changed then)? |
| 18:56.20 | Curalton | iirc yaboot works with filenames to boot linux, i.e. if /vmlinuz is used and you copy over that file it will still boot (w/o running ybin) |
| 18:59.33 | soopurman | i think you're right Curalton |
| 19:03.06 | Curalton | i tend to think so to, since iirc yaboot has hfs+ read support for that |
| 19:03.52 | Curalton | though i wonder if openfirmware (i.e. plain os x booting without linux on the box) is also that tolerable |
| 19:04.23 | Curalton | hmm, of can read hfsplus... thats how i installed debian |
| 19:04.45 | Curalton | i guess it basically has $PARTITION/mach hardcoded somewhere i assume |
| 19:07.05 | soopurman | actually OS X has its own boot loader. i think its called loadx or xload or something |
| 19:09.21 | Curalton | ah, then i hope this thing is also filename based |
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| 19:57.13 | nenn | hey does anyone know how i can use the console font_6x11 ? |
| 19:57.27 | nenn | i have it in the kernel, but i dont know how i can access it :( |
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| 20:03.15 | nenn | hey does anyone know how i can use the console font_6x11 ? its installed in the kern but i dont know how to access it |
| 20:15.54 | simonrvn | something like font:foo, dunno what goes in foo though |
| 20:16.04 | simonrvn | append="font:foo" |
| 20:19.04 | nenn | mm |
| 21:08.53 | nenn | laa |
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| 21:17.38 | nenn | [MA]MTM84|X| do you know how to change console fonts? |
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| 21:30.38 | simonrvn | how about checking out google, hmm? |
| 21:30.46 | simonrvn | dumb fuck... |
| 21:32.25 | Bor_Ed | hmmm |
| 21:32.54 | simonrvn | sorry, just pissy mood |
| 21:33.10 | Bor_Ed | www.justfuckinggoogleit.com would've been better way to impress the feeling |
| 21:33.35 | Bor_Ed | though what am I to say ... |
| 21:33.42 | simonrvn | good point =) |
| 21:34.36 | Bor_Ed | hehe |
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| 21:46.15 | Ry12 | does anyone know commands for openfirmware |
| 21:47.10 | Ry12 | when i type boot and press enter it says "claim failed" |
| 21:47.18 | Curalton | cdboot is one, google has many more |
| 21:48.09 | Ry12 | cdboot, unknown word |
| 21:50.27 | Curalton | worked on my ibook iirc |
| 21:50.47 | Bor_Ed | newworld of has more commands than oldworld |
| 21:51.44 | Curalton | its newworld g3 |
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| 21:58.41 | Ry12 | is there any way to restore the mbr without reinstalling macos |
| 22:00.06 | Bor_Ed | there is no such thing as mbr on macs |
| 22:05.41 | Ry12 | i tried resetting the pram, it still boots into openfirmware |
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| 23:58.56 | Pluton2 | i need help with ubuntu sound in a ibook G3 |