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| 00:24.04 | simonrvn | @kernel |
| 00:24.10 | ravenbird | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.11.12, prepatch: 2.6.12-rc6, snapshot: 2.6.12-rc6-git5, 2.4: 2.4.31, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, 2.0: 2.0.40, -ac patch: 2.6.11-ac7, -mm patch: 2.6.12-rc6-mm1 |
| 00:24.17 | *** mode/#DebianPPC [+o simonrvn] by ChanServ |
| 00:24.37 | *** topic/#DebianPPC by simonrvn -> Debian on PPC - think of it as a never-ending IQ test. | Want Linux 2.6? Use kernel.org or sid/sarge kernel-images; DON'T USE BENH 2.6 RSYNC | vers.: 2.6.11.12 | Wiki at tinyurl.com/2r8uc | New (2003+) PowerMacs with XFS HOWTO http://tinyurl.com/2s2os | Sarge released: 2005-06-06 | New penguinppc.org live! | pasting? /whois paster | ALSA bounty: http://tinyurl.com/3p4nm |
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| 00:26.26 | Curalton_ | 2.6.11.12, sounds like a trusty number :) |
| 00:30.14 | simonrvn | heh |
| 00:30.37 | simonrvn | new dpkg 1.13.x does logging :) |
| 00:30.49 | simonrvn | http://ftp.us.debian.org experimental/main dpkg 1.13.6 |
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| 00:46.41 | Curalton_ | sid on the move! |
| 00:47.53 | simonrvn | dpkg-dev 1.13.9 is in sid, which is weird. you'd think dpkg would be too, but it is only on x86, not ppc. had to fetch the ppc one from experimental |
| 00:52.44 | Curalton_ | oh, no more 8+ arches in sid now? |
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| 00:54.23 | simonrvn | probably just an oversight |
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| 01:29.29 | simonrvn | @kernel |
| 01:29.34 | ravenbird | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.11.12, prepatch: 2.6.12-rc6, snapshot: 2.6.12-rc6-git5, 2.4: 2.4.31, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, 2.0: 2.0.40, -ac patch: 2.6.11-ac7, -mm patch: 2.6.12-rc6-mm1 |
| 01:29.47 | simonrvn | *sigh*. still rc |
| 01:32.09 | kimo_sabe | simonrvn: what's still rc? |
| 01:33.03 | simonrvn | 2.6.12 |
| 01:33.25 | kimo_sabe | ah, the 11.12 threw me off |
| 01:35.14 | simonrvn | i must say, the new dpkg is rather nice |
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| 07:42.40 | pahartik | Q-FUNK: if i want to give root access on system to person i just know by name... i guess i could use "tripwire" before and after to see what has been changed... any other options? |
| 07:45.14 | pahartik | Q-FUNK: of course i will unmount and disable remote NFS "/home/", so my "~/Maildir/", encryption keys and whatever private data is safe |
| 07:57.19 | Q-FUNK | pahartik: agreed |
| 07:57.41 | Q-FUNK | hmmm.. nothing comes to mind assides from that |
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| 08:42.53 | Stereo | run them inside screen |
| 08:43.14 | Stereo | su - theiruser |
| 08:43.19 | Stereo | screen |
| 08:43.21 | Stereo | su - |
| 08:43.29 | Stereo | chmod 777 $TTY before that |
| 08:43.37 | Stereo | change the root password before and after |
| 08:44.49 | pahartik | Stereo: oh yes, screen... "i could watch anytime" -factor |
| 08:44.59 | Stereo | yeah |
| 08:45.06 | Stereo | plus you'll learn in the process |
| 08:49.34 | pahartik | Stereo: yes, i use "screen" all the time to attach several terminals to running "screen" |
| 08:50.38 | pahartik | Stereo: but i have not used those access control features to let other users attach as well... |
| 08:51.05 | Stereo | this is the brute force access control version :) |
| 08:51.17 | Stereo | I've not used the proper ones either |
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| 09:03.41 | pahartik | Stereo: "Must run suid root for multiuser support." |
| 09:04.07 | Stereo | with the method I described? |
| 09:05.32 | pahartik | Stereo: for built-in multiuser support of "screen" |
| 09:06.49 | Stereo | ah |
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| 09:27.44 | pahartik | Stereo: it works... first tell "multiuser on" and "addacl ${LOGNAME}" to running "screen", then one can "screen -x root/" (assuming that one wants to attach to "screen" session started by "root") |
| 09:44.37 | Stereo | oh, nice |
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| 11:35.10 | Q-FUNK | 2.6.11.12 |
| 11:35.54 | Bor_Ed | old :) |
| 11:37.11 | _rene_ | *book uses want 2.6.12-rcX anyway |
| 11:37.15 | _rene_ | users |
| 11:37.47 | Bor_Ed | power management hasn't been backported to stable ? |
| 11:38.15 | _rene_ | didn't look, but the 2.6.12 series have much improvements |
| 11:39.29 | Bor_Ed | I see |
| 11:45.15 | _rene_ | i.e. some suspend fixes |
| 11:45.18 | _rene_ | or cpufreq fixes |
| 11:45.29 | _rene_ | -rc6 finally makes cpufreq-selector work |
| 11:45.35 | _rene_ | etc |
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| 12:15.07 | ukh | on ppc64, what does cpp define? __ppc64__? |
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| 12:34.04 | Tenoch | Hi everyone |
| 12:35.04 | Tenoch | I have a question about installing Debian on Old World macs |
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| 12:35.30 | Tenoch | The install guide seems to be outdated about booting the installer from the disk |
| 12:36.02 | Tenoch | since it points to a kernel and ramdisk from woody |
| 12:36.16 | Tenoch | and indeed, once the installation is done, Woody is installed |
| 12:37.03 | Tenoch | Is it normal ? |
| 12:40.51 | Bor_Ed | depends what install guide you followed but if it was for woody, then it's normal |
| 12:45.35 | Tenoch | No I read the Sarge guide |
| 12:45.38 | Tenoch | the last one |
| 12:46.28 | Tenoch | Section 4.5.1 on http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/powerpc/ch04s05.html.en#files-oldworld |
| 12:47.33 | Bor_Ed | looks like a typo to me |
| 12:48.08 | Bor_Ed | at least I installed with bootx directly to sarge with rc3 d-i cd |
| 12:50.03 | Tenoch | using vmlinux and initrd.gz ? |
| 12:50.06 | Tenoch | I'll try that |
| 12:51.27 | Bor_Ed | yup |
| 12:52.22 | Tenoch | thanks |
| 12:53.05 | Bor_Ed | no prob |
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| 12:57.35 | AlwaysModest | anyone know if the "wings" card in the beige g3 is supported under linux |
| 12:58.44 | pahartik | AlwaysModest: define '"wings" card' |
| 12:58.46 | Bor_Ed | wings card ? you mean the personality card with A/V ? |
| 12:58.56 | AlwaysModest | yeah |
| 12:59.07 | AlwaysModest | i've heard it called the "wings" card around |
| 12:59.19 | AlwaysModest | just like google seaching and stuff |
| 12:59.21 | Bor_Ed | it should work with planb or similar module afaik |
| 12:59.51 | pahartik | AlwaysModest: does it show up with "lspci"? |
| 13:00.08 | AlwaysModest | oh i don |
| 13:00.19 | AlwaysModest | i don't have a distro on my g3 yet |
| 13:00.29 | AlwaysModest | before i went and did that i was wondering if someone knew |
| 13:00.44 | Bor_Ed | pahartik: personality card doesn't show up on lspci :) |
| 13:00.54 | pahartik | AlwaysModest: i have got "0001:01:0d.0 ff00: Apple Computer Inc. PlanB Video-In (rev 01)" on PowerMacintosh 7500 |
| 13:01.16 | simonrvn | shows up with the driver installed / built-in |
| 13:01.23 | Bor_Ed | yup |
| 13:01.30 | simonrvn | ^^^^ |
| 13:01.46 | AlwaysModest | ...hmmm and its fully functional? |
| 13:01.53 | simonrvn | on 2.4 yes |
| 13:02.21 | pahartik | AlwaysModest: it worked on Linux... i tried it good while ago |
| 13:02.23 | simonrvn | hasn't been ported to 2.6 |
| 13:02.30 | AlwaysModest | hmm... ok |
| 13:02.57 | AlwaysModest | thank you all very much |
| 13:03.01 | pahartik | AlwaysModest: no idea how to switch to S-video input though, so i used composite video only |
| 13:03.11 | AlwaysModest | oh ok awesome |
| 13:03.23 | AlwaysModest | do you use feevo? |
| 13:03.56 | simonrvn | @info feevo |
| 13:04.03 | pahartik | AlwaysModest: nowadays i use DVB tuner devices only, with VDR |
| 13:04.22 | simonrvn | meh. borked again |
| 13:04.31 | simonrvn | @find feevo |
| 13:04.44 | AlwaysModest | freevo is like windows media center except for linux simonrvn |
| 13:05.26 | AlwaysModest | http://freevo.sourceforge.net/ |
| 13:05.44 | AlwaysModest | because i just have my beige g3 lying around so i wanted some to do with it |
| 13:06.01 | AlwaysModest | pahartik do you remember which distrobution you were using? |
| 13:06.29 | pahartik | AlwaysModest: Debian GNU/Linux |
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| 13:07.37 | AlwaysModest | would any thing debian-based work you think?? |
| 13:07.38 | pahartik | AlwaysModest: luckily, do not know what "windows media center" looks like :) |
| 13:08.01 | AlwaysModest | pahartik i only saw it once |
| 13:08.31 | AlwaysModest | i'm like an hour away from replacing my only x86 machine with ubuntu |
| 13:10.07 | pahartik | AlwaysModest: i think Ubuntu does not mind if one uses "Linux 2.4"... but i am not sure |
| 13:10.35 | AlwaysModest | yeah i'm trying to check into that |
| 13:10.53 | AlwaysModest | i know debian won't boot on a beige g3 |
| 13:10.58 | _rene_ | note that this is #debianppc and not #ubuntuppc |
| 13:11.07 | AlwaysModest | well i mean its not supposed to |
| 13:11.22 | AlwaysModest | atleast i don't think |
| 13:11.25 | _rene_ | AlwaysModest: that's rumours. it should work. why else do have many people debian on beige g3s? |
| 13:11.33 | _rene_ | AlwaysModest: why should it not work? |
| 13:11.50 | AlwaysModest | i don't remember where i read it... or when |
| 13:11.55 | pahartik | AlwaysModest: Linux boots on "beige g3", but is tricky |
| 13:12.46 | _rene_ | just because someone did not get it to boot doesn't mean that debian won't boot |
| 13:13.00 | _rene_ | maybe (s)he did something wrong, the install media had a bug at that time, ... |
| 13:13.21 | _rene_ | as pahartik already said, oldworld stuff is not exactly trivial |
| 13:14.43 | AlwaysModest | well thank you very much for your help _rene_ and pahartik |
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| 14:26.43 | micker | good morning all, or atleast it is here... anyone feel like arguing the merits of BootX vs Quik? I'm trying to decide if I should switch to quik or not... never used it... |
| 14:28.37 | micker | Just went and upgraded to sarge last night, and I decided I should probably upgrade away from my 2.2.20 kernel as well... made myself a nice new 2.6.8 kernel and now I'm wondering if quick wouldnt be the way to go... |
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| 14:32.09 | micker | also, its been ages since I've had to modify my bootx setup, do I want to use the elf32 or the coff kernel image? |
| 14:43.07 | pahartik | micker: ELF |
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| 14:49.05 | micker | pahartik: hmm... the elf kernel is like 6.7megs and bootx doesnt seem to like it |
| 14:51.17 | pahartik | micker: my PowerPC kernel images are about 4 MiB |
| 14:52.08 | pahartik | micker: maybe your BootX is too old? |
| 14:52.14 | micker | hmmm... maybe |
| 14:52.26 | micker | I thought it was a build from last summer |
| 14:54.33 | pahartik | micker: maybe problem is somewhere else then |
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| 19:23.30 | johill | what |
| 19:23.43 | johill | sorry |
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