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| 03:08.24 | AlwaysModest | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:41.57 | rafl | Hello. |
| 10:42.06 | rafl | I have some problems with my G4 ibook 2004. After a certain amount of time the monitor blanks, the background light is still on and the hd is still running, but nothing else works. |
| 10:42.12 | rafl | Anyone else who experienced that? |
| 10:55.29 | mort_ | rafl: xscreensaver blanking? |
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| 10:59.30 | rafl | mort_: No. X is not even running. |
| 11:11.06 | mort_ | rafl: oh. but you have some kind of power management daemon running? (like pbbuttonsd) |
| 11:11.44 | mort_ | I'm just curious, but what would you need an ibook without X for? |
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| 13:18.27 | pa | helo! |
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| 14:03.59 | rafl | mort_: Linux isn't up yet. |
| 14:07.26 | _rene_ | mort_: why not? |
| 14:07.36 | _rene_ | mort_: not every action you do needs X :) |
| 14:07.47 | mort_ | rafl: you mean you are currently installing linux? |
| 14:07.57 | _rene_ | mort_: for example, I don't need X for irc,mail,administration,package building etc |
| 14:08.04 | mort_ | _rene_: sure. but a laptop as a non-X startion seems weird to me... |
| 14:08.16 | _rene_ | even web browsing works off console when you don't need images or JS or... |
| 14:08.53 | mort_ | _rene_: of course. but I still like the extra comfort X and a window manager gives me |
| 14:09.20 | mort_ | _rene_: switching arounf in screen all the time results in wounded fingers |
| 14:09.31 | mort_ | arounf/around |
| 14:09.33 | _rene_ | yeah, nothing said. but using the console is nothing unsual, even on laptops :) |
| 14:11.44 | AlwaysModest | setting up debian makes me sad.... |
| 14:12.16 | mort_ | _rene_: well, I've never seen somebody using a laptop without X, but I guess I haven't seen it all :-) |
| 14:12.18 | AlwaysModest | is it supposed to boot up gnome or kde after the install? |
| 14:12.33 | _rene_ | mort_: I do that all the time :) |
| 14:12.34 | rafl | mort_: Well, these effects happen at any time. Sometimes Linux runs, sometimes the kernel boots or sometimes I don't even get to the bootloader. |
| 14:12.40 | rafl | -- |
| 14:12.41 | rafl | Wichert Akkerman <wichert@wiggy.net> It is simple to make things. |
| 14:12.41 | rafl | http://www.wiggy.net/ It is hard to make things simple. |
| 14:12.41 | rafl | -- |
| 14:12.41 | rafl | To unsubscribe, send mail to debconf5-event-unsubscribe@lists.debconf.org. |
| 14:12.43 | rafl | - - 600/616: Wichert Akkerman Re: tunes from your area -- (all) |
| 14:12.45 | mort_ | AlwaysModest: don't be sad :-) it's suppused to boot up BASH after install |
| 14:12.46 | rafl | -- |
| 14:12.48 | rafl | Wichert Akkerman <wichert@wiggy.net> It is simple to make things. |
| 14:12.51 | _rene_ | rafl: ? |
| 14:12.51 | rafl | http://www.wiggy.net/ It is hard to make things simple. |
| 14:12.52 | AlwaysModest | oh ok |
| 14:12.53 | rafl | -- |
| 14:12.56 | rafl | To unsubscribe, send mail to debconf5-event-unsubscribe@lists.debconf.org. |
| 14:12.58 | rafl | - - 600/616: Wichert Akkerman Re: tunes from your area -- (all) |
| 14:13.11 | simonrvn | um |
| 14:13.18 | AlwaysModest | mort_ : well is gnome or kde installed or am i supposed to hook that up myself? |
| 14:13.39 | simonrvn | rafl: *ding dong* |
| 14:13.41 | AlwaysModest | mort_ : because i couldn't even get X to start it yelled at me and came back with an error |
| 14:13.55 | rafl | Uh. shame on me. I was cleaning my mouse :-/ |
| 14:14.10 | mort_ | AlwaysModest: yes. apt-get install x-window-system and then apt-get wmaker/gnome/kde/fluxbox/fvwm/whatever |
| 14:14.19 | simonrvn | next time point over something it won't matter ;) |
| 14:14.26 | mort_ | AlwaysModest: of course you can do it _rene_s way, too |
| 14:14.42 | AlwaysModest | mort_: and which way would that be? |
| 14:15.19 | mort_ | AlwaysModest: decide for yourself! it's more of a religion question |
| 14:15.38 | AlwaysModest | mort_: ask god to install it for me? |
| 14:16.05 | mort_ | AlwaysModest: ask god _what_ to install. there are awful lots of window managers |
| 14:16.14 | simonrvn | i think s/he meant 'religious' |
| 14:16.14 | rafl | Any experiences with the latest 12" superdrive powerbooks? |
| 14:16.39 | mort_ | simonrvn: yeah. my english sucks :-( |
| 14:16.40 | AlwaysModest | mort_: oh haha well i will surely be using gnome |
| 14:17.08 | simonrvn | gnome 2.10 is a good choice, it'll hit etch sometime |
| 14:17.37 | mort_ | AlwaysModest: that would be "apt-get install x-windows-system gnome" or something. I don't know about gnome. But this is some kind of FAQ, you should search for some docs |
| 14:18.17 | Petro | Will xorg hit etch by the end of summer? |
| 14:18.28 | AlwaysModest | mort_: yeah well i wasn't sure what the score was i'd never used debian before. I have used suse, fedora and ubuntu though |
| 14:21.07 | _rene_ | Petro: I doubt that. xorg isn't even in sid although they are short before a -0pre1v1 |
| 14:21.12 | AlwaysModest | and debian has made me real frustrated |
| 14:21.22 | simonrvn | Petro: should be in sid pretty soon, and soon after that in etch, of course |
| 14:21.25 | mort_ | AlwaysModest: debian installs only the base in it's default version. and debian doesn't think that a grpahic interface belongs to the base system. check out aptitude |
| 14:21.54 | mort_ | AlwaysModest: if you're frustrated, do "apt-get moo" |
| 14:21.54 | Petro | Ahh well until then I'll just be chillin in australia |
| 14:22.00 | AlwaysModest | mort_:most def. will, but i was a bit frustrated and took debian out :-/ but a reinstall won't be bad |
| 14:22.29 | AlwaysModest | mort_: and what else mad eme mad.... it really wasn't neccessary for me to dl and burn all 7 iso |
| 14:23.00 | _rene_ | of course not. |
| 14:23.01 | mort_ | AlwaysModest: make sure you download only the netinstall iso for sarge (3.1) |
| 14:23.20 | AlwaysModest | mort_: i got woody |
| 14:23.22 | _rene_ | debian can be instaled over net. this was even the case at potato times |
| 14:23.32 | _rene_ | AlwaysModest: you want to use sarge. really |
| 14:23.36 | mort_ | AlwaysModest: woody is retired by now |
| 14:23.38 | _rene_ | AlwaysModest: forget woody |
| 14:24.01 | AlwaysModest | i need the 2.4 kernel though.... or atleast thats what i was told |
| 14:24.13 | AlwaysModest | because i want to use my personality card |
| 14:24.30 | AlwaysModest | thats what this whole adventure has been for |
| 14:24.38 | _rene_ | AlwaysModest: and sarge has 2.4, too. although not as default on ppc |
| 14:24.42 | _rene_ | AlwaysModest: but you can install it later on |
| 14:25.22 | mort_ | AlwaysModest: in a perfect world, you can apt-get it all |
| 14:25.28 | AlwaysModest | _rene_:but shouldn't i be able to upgrade to sarge after i install woody |
| 14:25.33 | _rene_ | sure. |
| 14:25.51 | _rene_ | that's a other possibility, yes :) |
| 14:26.07 | mort_ | AlwaysModest: the woody installer might be bitching around |
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| 14:27.41 | AlwaysModest | well i'm going to check this action out first then i'll have to see |
| 14:28.03 | AlwaysModest | i felt pretty accomplished after the first install |
| 14:28.05 | Petro | Do people who want to use unstable still have to download the Sarge business card, or is there an "unstable" installer? |
| 14:30.29 | simonrvn | never will be a sid installer. you can choose sid in d-i though |
| 14:31.02 | simonrvn | 10:30:42 up 37 days, 20:58, 2 users, load average: 0.98, 0.55, 0.55 # sigh, will go once the kernel is ready... |
| 14:32.19 | Bor_Ed | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:32.57 | mort_ | uptime-fest? count me in! |
| 14:33.05 | mort_ | 16:08:59 up 183 days, 7:53, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 |
| 14:33.12 | Petro | mort_: nice |
| 14:33.23 | Bor_Ed | a friend just got 2 years on his p100 running woody |
| 14:33.32 | Petro | dang |
| 14:33.48 | mort_ | Petro: actually this box is just consuming power. it has no real purpose. look at the load |
| 14:34.36 | AlwaysModest | mort_: its just an irc box? |
| 14:34.52 | Bor_Ed | his box runs a node in some irc network etc |
| 14:35.03 | simonrvn | that one was on 90 days, then i had to fiddle with the h/w.. |
| 14:35.17 | simonrvn | i should install uptimed for my own use |
| 14:35.18 | Bor_Ed | I had ~190 days... and then we moved |
| 14:36.18 | mort_ | AlwaysModest: no, really nothing. it's standing here under the desk at work |
| 14:36.25 | mort_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:36.44 | AlwaysModest | ok so i got the debian base in now i have to apt-get gnome? |
| 14:36.48 | mort_ | this is because of little children who think it's fun to treat the router like shit |
| 14:37.11 | mort_ | AlwaysModest: yes. If it's installed and booted... |
| 14:37.29 | mort_ | AlwaysModest: and don't forget x-window-system |
| 14:37.33 | AlwaysModest | i dont think my internet is configured |
| 14:37.46 | AlwaysModest | yeah its def. not |
| 14:37.55 | simonrvn | /msg ravenbird man interfaces |
| 14:37.59 | simonrvn | /msg ravenbird interfaces |
| 14:38.35 | simonrvn | do that ^^^ |
| 14:39.20 | mort_ | AlwaysModest: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 14:40.30 | simonrvn | that too |
| 14:46.00 | AlwaysModest | why is my system "read only"? |
| 14:48.16 | simonrvn | still in single user? |
| 14:48.30 | simonrvn | type /sbin/runlevel in a term |
| 14:48.40 | AlwaysModest | either my superblock or the partition table is likely to be corrupt |
| 14:48.40 | mort_ | or mount -o remount,rw / |
| 14:49.03 | mort_ | AlwaysModest: but be careful, it's readonly for a reason, I guess |
| 14:49.44 | simonrvn | always is. second thing to check is why. check dmesg first, then /var/log/kerne.log and /var/log/syslog for anything unusual |
| 14:49.53 | simonrvn | kern.log even |
| 14:51.05 | AlwaysModest | my filesystem has errors |
| 14:51.10 | AlwaysModest | thats the conclusion i've come to |
| 14:51.39 | simonrvn | yeh, i'd single user that, and do a proper fsck. you could also do something like shutdown -fr now |
| 14:52.01 | simonrvn | but init 1 suffices =) |
| 14:55.19 | mort_ | AlwaysModest: did you pull out the plug in your sadness? |
| 14:55.30 | AlwaysModest | haha no |
| 14:55.54 | AlwaysModest | like when i installed it said that to make my system bootable it couldnt be ext3 |
| 14:56.06 | AlwaysModest | so i made it ext2 and i think thats where my error is coming from |
| 14:56.38 | simonrvn | nope. need ext2 for quik. though tweaking you can make / anything and /boot ext2 |
| 14:56.51 | AlwaysModest | but i'm using bootx |
| 14:56.58 | simonrvn | ah ok |
| 14:59.54 | pa | excuse me, can pbbuttonsd enable the heartbeating led on the front of ibooks /powerbooks, when in sleep mode? |
| 15:00.15 | simonrvn | doing a touch forcefsck on the partition you need fscked will force the fsck to happen on it |
| 15:00.56 | simonrvn | pa: i heard mumblings from benh that he was working on that, dunno if it works |
| 15:01.06 | pa | simonrvn: oh, thanks |
| 15:02.11 | pa | simonrvn: i have another question: with the only pbbuttonsd the ibook isn't able to do cpu frequency scaling, is it? |
| 15:02.33 | simonrvn | AFAIK, no, you need some other daemon |
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| 15:03.17 | pa | oh thanks. so that 's the reason of so hot pc also in idle :) |
| 15:03.20 | pa | what can i use? |
| 15:03.42 | Petro | Does Mac OS X do frequency scaling? |
| 15:03.53 | pa | any hint? which is the best daemon for cpu frequency scaling on mac notebooks? |
| 15:03.57 | pa | Petro: yes, i think |
| 15:04.02 | simonrvn | probably. linux does it, i just don't know how |
| 15:04.19 | simonrvn | kernel support, plus userspace shit |
| 15:04.21 | AlwaysModest | why do people send me stuff |
| 15:04.41 | AlwaysModest | thanks for the help all |
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| 15:37.32 | _rene_ | you'd better ordered a iBook |
| 15:37.44 | rafl | Why? |
| 15:38.11 | _rene_ | the pbooks have nvidias -> no 3d -> no proper suspend |
| 15:38.16 | _rene_ | for example |
| 15:39.00 | _rene_ | suspend-to-ram that is |
| 15:39.12 | rafl | No 3d doesn't matter for me. Doesn't suspend work at all? |
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| 15:39.40 | _rene_ | suspend-to-ram won't work with the nvidia crap afaik |
| 15:40.20 | rafl | Hm.... *think* |
| 15:41.20 | _rene_ | but it's your decision. |
| 15:41.32 | _rene_ | and the pĆ¼books imho are bad in price/value ratio |
| 15:41.35 | _rene_ | pbooks |
| 15:41.43 | _rene_ | too expensive |
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| 15:44.34 | rafl | _rene_: I had an G4 ibook 12", but it died today. |
| 15:45.15 | _rene_ | oh |
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| 16:02.01 | rafl | Hm.. I'm not sure what to do anymore. I want a 12" laptop with the PB features which is able to suspend to ram :-/ |
| 16:08.08 | pa | rafl: i heared that 2.6.11 is able to do suspend-to-ram |
| 16:08.25 | pa | i heared about small issues with it, but should be fixed in 2.6.12 |
| 16:08.50 | pa | i too have a kernel < 2.6.11 and i'm not able to suspend-to-ram |
| 16:09.08 | rafl | pa: Where did you heared that? |
| 16:09.51 | pa | one friend told me. but in fact i'm not sure he was talking about pb |
| 16:09.59 | pa | we was talking about ibook 12 |
| 16:11.13 | rafl | I can't find anything in the changelogs.. |
| 16:12.00 | pa | i'm pretty sure that s-t-r works with ibooks and ATi-pbooks |
| 16:12.11 | pa | with latest stable kernel (2.6.11.12 |
| 16:12.12 | pa | ) |
| 16:12.50 | _rene_ | yes, ibooks and ati-pbooks |
| 16:12.54 | rafl | Well, that doesn't help me at all. |
| 16:12.59 | _rene_ | but he ordered a nvidia-pbbok |
| 16:13.04 | _rene_ | pbook |
| 16:15.25 | pa | T_T |
| 16:15.52 | pa | it was a pity that the smarter pbook (the 12") has a nvidia video card |
| 16:18.07 | Bor_Ed | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2380396751.html ibm made reaction pretty fast after apple announce :o |
| 16:20.12 | simonrvn | "IBM is offering a free open source implementation of the IEEE-1275 Open Firmware standard...." # w00t |
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| 16:21.49 | Bor_Ed | yup, only for blades for now but nice opening imho |
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| 16:29.45 | Bor_Ed | dwpower... hasn't such nick been here too ? :o |
| 16:34.04 | Bor_Ed | dropping it to /src/ ? |
| 16:34.24 | Bor_Ed | I have forgot my login to developerworks and don't have the old email addy either :( |
| 16:38.05 | simonrvn | gah, fucking README has dos CRLFs in it |
| 16:39.00 | Bor_Ed | http://playground.sun.com/1275/misc/ofwsong.au geebus :D |
| 16:39.32 | Bor_Ed | buggrs have made the file in AIX ? :o |
| 16:45.55 | Bor_Ed | hmm, FCode isn't apple creation... it's part of OF stasndard |
| 16:50.11 | simonrvn | sec |
| 16:50.14 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 16:58.51 | simonrvn | simonraven.nuit.ca/src/openfirmware/slof-js20.tar.gz |
| 16:59.01 | Bor_Ed | danke |
| 17:00.02 | simonrvn | np. just had to remember what i did to get my web site over to this host ;) (i like being able to cp ~/foo mywebsite/) |
| 17:00.31 | Bor_Ed | you're running over nfs ? :) |
| 17:04.36 | simonrvn | yeh. haven't tried sfs or gotten afs to work yet |
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| 17:09.25 | ioops | hi |
| 17:09.58 | simonrvn | hi |
| 17:10.19 | Bor_Ed | ih |
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| 17:46.03 | Tenoch | Hello |
| 17:46.21 | Tenoch | Is there a specific filesystem to use with kernel 2.6 ? |
| 17:47.53 | Tenoch | I have a kernel panic at boot |
| 17:48.01 | Tenoch | cannot load root partition |
| 17:48.26 | Tenoch | I wondered if it could be a wrong filesystem (ext2 or ext3) |
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| 20:23.02 | AlwaysModest | what driver module do i need for a beige g3 onboard ethernet? |
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| 20:26.55 | Bor_Ed | it's built in to default kernel... |
| 20:27.13 | AlwaysModest | i wasn't sure... |
| 20:27.16 | AlwaysModest | thanks bor_ed |
| 20:27.36 | Bor_Ed | np |
| 20:27.57 | Bor_Ed | it's bmac though if you have it as module |
| 20:28.14 | AlwaysModest | i'm still trying to get this action going |
| 20:28.23 | AlwaysModest | and i'm on break from work :) |
| 20:28.32 | AlwaysModest | so instead of eating i'm configuring |
| 20:28.39 | Bor_Ed | I've got beige g3/233 as my desktop here |
| 20:29.00 | AlwaysModest | well i'm trying to get debian on it so i can take advantage of my av personality card |
| 20:34.11 | Bor_Ed | mockos doesn't have drivers shipped with it ? |
| 20:34.42 | Bor_Ed | or is this 'lunchbreak' project' ? :) |
| 20:35.00 | AlwaysModest | its an addiction |
| 20:35.16 | Bor_Ed | hehe, right |
| 20:36.31 | Bor_Ed | I have my java enabled cell at work to play with |
| 20:37.31 | AlwaysModest | see i can justify playing on my cell phone, but not bringing in an entire compy |
| 20:38.12 | Bor_Ed | I prolly could even drag some rig to work but my scootah just can't cut on such load |
| 20:38.25 | AlwaysModest | haha |
| 20:38.36 | AlwaysModest | well idk how i wouldn't tell my boss its for "product testing" |
| 20:39.23 | Bor_Ed | you really have to get some excuses like that to play with the rig during work hours :) |
| 20:39.42 | AlwaysModest | i know |
| 20:39.58 | AlwaysModest | well hed be mad i brought in a pmac too |
| 20:40.07 | AlwaysModest | hed be like argh you and your macs argh |
| 20:41.24 | AlwaysModest | well we have embedded unix system at work but its only for p.o.s. stuff |
| 20:42.00 | Bor_Ed | we have *nix hidden in comp rooms and so on but company desktops are 100% winhoser |
| 20:44.49 | AlwaysModest | yippie |
| 20:44.59 | AlwaysModest | now i can't wait to get off of work but the old lady is coming over |
| 20:45.28 | AlwaysModest | maybe i will just let her play her sims-like game and call it a night |
| 20:45.49 | AlwaysModest | well now that i am apt-getting x-window i will be back around 8 |
| 20:45.55 | AlwaysModest | thats 8 eastern |
| 20:46.00 | AlwaysModest | :) nice talking to you bor_ed |
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| 21:07.31 | pa | helo |
| 21:07.33 | pa | excuse me |
| 21:07.42 | pa | what have i to enable for this module: therm_adt7467 ? |
| 21:07.50 | pa | i can't find it in make menuconfig |
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| 22:07.02 | Curalton | ps auxf |
| 22:07.06 | Curalton | gnaa |
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