| 00:34.24 | crappledev | _rene_: finally got that 2.6.12 fixed |
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| 00:56.55 | hugito | do you have crashes whith gecko-based web browsers on a few websites? |
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| 03:05.29 | Tenniru_ | I'm having some issues with my AirPort card. |
| 03:05.42 | Tenniru_ | That "Networks" application is used to configure the card connecting to a router, right? |
| 03:07.20 | Tenniru_ | Is anyone here? |
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| 03:08.40 | Tenniru_ | You'd think a place like this would have more insomniacs at this hour... |
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| 04:03.50 | Tenniru_ | Is anyone here? |
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| 04:10.52 | Tenniru_ | Hi, um, do you know how to configure the AirPort card? |
| 04:11.09 | Tenniru_ | Tell the computer what the SSID and WEP of my router is so I can connect? |
| 04:28.46 | damog | Tenniru_: Airport Extreme? |
| 04:28.55 | Tenniru_ | no, the original one. |
| 04:29.12 | damog | Tenniru_: Use wireless-tools package. |
| 04:29.18 | Tenniru_ | It's there. |
| 04:29.31 | damog | Then read iwconfig manpage :) |
| 04:29.43 | Tenniru_ | It's been working fine until I accidentially deleted the "Wireless LAN card" thing in the Network app. |
| 04:30.38 | Tenniru_ | In the "network settings" app, is there anything I can do? |
| 04:35.16 | crappledev | so it was wlan that was depreciated? |
| 04:35.50 | Tenniru_ | I think so. |
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| 06:29.19 | dagbrown | Uh hi |
| 06:29.20 | dagbrown | so |
| 06:29.21 | dagbrown | uh |
| 06:30.19 | dagbrown | This is an XServe G5 |
| 06:31.05 | dagbrown | "ofpath /dev/sdb" and "ofpath /dev/sdc", after I'd fixed ofpath, both returned "/k2-sata@0/disk@0:", which is DRAMATICALLY different from the "/ht@0,f2000000/pci@7/k2-sata-root@c/k2-sata@0/disk@0:" that I get from "ofpath /dev/sda". |
| 06:31.39 | dagbrown | Also, software RAID is a bugger to set up, on account of it not being doable at install time without some serious contortions. |
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| 06:43.53 | pahartik | dagbrown: define "DRAMATICALLY different" in this context? |
| 06:44.30 | dagbrown | Well, "/ht@0,f2000000/pci@7/k2-sata-root@c/k2-sata@0/disk@0:" is DRAMATICALLY DIFFERENT from "/k2-sata@0/disk@0:" |
| 06:44.47 | dagbrown | For one thing, I can actually find one of those in /proc/device-tree |
| 06:48.22 | pahartik | dagbrown: what is different about it? different harddisk? different manufacturer? different performance? different behaviour? |
| 06:48.55 | dagbrown | ...the strings |
| 06:48.57 | dagbrown | the strings are different |
| 06:49.31 | dagbrown | "/ht@0,f2000000/pci@7/k2-sata-root@c/k2-sata@0/disk@0:" is a dramatically different string from "/k2-sata@0/disk@0:" on account of it being more than twice as long, and an actual OpenFirmware node. |
| 06:58.24 | pahartik | dagbrown: those are called "devalias shortcuts" |
| 06:59.13 | dagbrown | Alright |
| 06:59.31 | dagbrown | So ofpath /dev/sdb and ofpath /dev/sdc both return *identical* results |
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| 07:02.46 | pahartik | dagbrown: ok, that might cause problems |
| 07:03.11 | dagbrown | Yes! That, and the fact that the output from "ofpath /dev/sda" and "ofpath /dev/sdb" are totally different from each other |
| 07:03.40 | dagbrown | I would expect that if "ofpath /dev/sda" gave me "/ht@0,f2000000/pci@7/k2-sata-root@c/k2-sata@0/disk@0:", then "ofpath /dev/sdb" would give me "/ht@0,f2000000/pci@7/k2-sata-root@c/k2-sata@1/disk@0:" |
| 07:03.45 | dagbrown | That latter being the actual path of that disk. |
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| 07:16.36 | crappledev | so i've got this 'Wallstreet'.... |
| 07:17.31 | crappledev | i want to use boot x but, the whole hd is is OS9, the docs say to re-install and just leave 200mb for os9 |
| 07:17.52 | crappledev | which is all fine and dandy if i had a damn os 9/8 cd! |
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| 07:18.04 | dagbrown | So you want something like hfsresize, right? |
| 07:18.17 | dagbrown | (If such a thing existed) |
| 07:18.38 | crappledev | ha, yeah, hfsresize or an alternate method |
| 07:19.24 | crappledev | or maybe i can use it to vnc into my other deb boxes, since i believe the old skool orinoco is supported |
| 07:20.01 | dagbrown | My Evil Idea would be to create a 200G hfs filesystem on some external thing, like a USB disk, copy what you have over, then create a partition the same size on your Mac's hard drive, dd the partition from the external thing over... |
| 07:20.35 | crappledev | well you know that is painful, but worth a shot, the only thing is...... |
| 07:20.44 | crappledev | wallstreets don't have USB lol |
| 07:20.52 | dagbrown | External SCSI? |
| 07:21.08 | DelTree | firewire ? |
| 07:21.08 | crappledev | i am a scsi-less newschooler |
| 07:21.13 | crappledev | no fw |
| 07:21.32 | crappledev | the wallstreet has scsi, just i don't have anything to make use of it |
| 07:21.35 | DelTree | is it completely plugless ? |
| 07:21.46 | dagbrown | It has one of those old-skool square SCSI ports on the back |
| 07:21.52 | crappledev | yes |
| 07:21.57 | crappledev | the square ones |
| 07:22.12 | dagbrown | So pop down your local parts store and pick up an adaptor :) |
| 07:22.20 | dagbrown | Okay, your local OBSOLETE parts store |
| 07:23.13 | crappledev | dagbrown: so if i start looking, there is such a thing as a scsi to usb ? or are the folks going to laugh in my face and tell me all i need is some blinker fluid? |
| 07:24.36 | dagbrown | crappledev: I suspect you could find SCSI to USB, but going square-SCSI to regular-old-SCSI might be a better bet. |
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| 07:28.03 | crappledev | dagbrown: thanks, i'll start looking around |
| 07:28.16 | dagbrown | IN THE MEANTIME |
| 07:28.45 | crappledev | play oregon trail on OS 9? |
| 07:29.13 | dagbrown | Nah, trying to get software raid working properly on an XServe G5 |
| 07:29.14 | crappledev | what are you running? |
| 07:29.16 | pahartik | dagbrown: me too |
| 07:29.51 | dagbrown | Which is problematic because the DebianPPC installer doesn't even let you *define* software-RAID partitions, let alone install to them. |
| 07:30.57 | pahartik | dagbrown: i have PowerMacintosh workstations with PowerPC 604e and 603e... and recently this iBook G4... |
| 07:31.42 | dagbrown | Oh, so I guess the "interesting" features of the G5 might not get noticed so readily |
| 07:31.57 | dagbrown | I did discover a bug in ofpath though! |
| 07:32.27 | dagbrown | Actually, several bugs in ofpath |
| 07:33.13 | pahartik | dagbrown: well, XServe would be nice toy... or some similar device from Sun Microsystems :) |
| 07:33.31 | dagbrown | Oh, an XServe would potentially make a *kickass* Linux server |
| 07:33.39 | dagbrown | The biggest obstacle seems to be Apple |
| 07:34.45 | pahartik | dagbrown: they will not be obstacle after they move to damn wintel CPU |
| 07:34.54 | dagbrown | Haha yes |
| 07:35.02 | dagbrown | That's such a stupid move |
| 07:35.38 | dagbrown | The fact that x86 CPUs are so fast is just because they keep on attaching more and bigger rockets to the same brick. |
| 07:35.46 | dagbrown | Hey, even a brick can fly! Look! |
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| 07:37.58 | Petro | Well at least gaming will be better ;) |
| 07:38.11 | Petro | And Mac OS X will have wine |
| 07:41.17 | dagbrown | Grah |
| 07:41.24 | dagbrown | Apparently the xserve hotplug isn't supported either |
| 07:47.46 | crappledev | i just found an hfs resizing tool |
| 07:48.19 | dagbrown | You win! |
| 07:48.49 | crappledev | yeah, for 25$ |
| 07:48.56 | dagbrown | :( |
| 07:50.08 | dagbrown | Duh |
| 07:50.17 | dagbrown | Pop the drive out, drop it into something else |
| 07:50.31 | dagbrown | You mentioned that you another computer handy. |
| 07:51.32 | crappledev | gah, that's a damn good idea :) |
| 07:53.24 | Petro | The gentoo livecd's have an HFS resizing tool, worked for me |
| 07:53.31 | Petro | parted I think |
| 07:58.15 | dagbrown | Oh hey, parted speaks HFS? |
| 07:58.42 | dagbrown | I wonder how well parted deals with ext3fs. |
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| 08:21.00 | matchsticker | hi |
| 08:21.25 | matchsticker | so quite. |
| 08:23.08 | dagbrown | Hi |
| 08:23.20 | dagbrown | You know anything about hotplugging SATA disks? :) |
| 08:33.10 | pahartik | dagbrown: have you tried "scsiadd"? |
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| 08:36.55 | dagbrown | scsiadd! no |
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| 08:43.39 | dagbrown | Haha, scsiadd killed my xserve! |
| 08:49.57 | pahartik | dagbrown: damn that |
| 08:54.28 | dagbrown | I think it was a combination of scsiadd and udev |
| 08:54.29 | dagbrown | Or something |
| 08:54.44 | dagbrown | At any rate, I couldn't bring it up again because /dev/console had gone missing (!) |
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| 08:59.35 | pahartik | dagbrown: with "udev", i think there has to be static "/dev/console" entry on disk... |
| 09:01.40 | pahartik | dagbrown: i had problem with "udev" as i moved to it from "DevFS"... i had to create "/dev/console" |
| 09:02.21 | dagbrown | Going from devfs to udev is just asking for trouble |
| 09:02.33 | dagbrown | Much safer to go devfs -> static devices -> udev |
| 09:03.49 | pahartik | dagbrown: if i recall correctly, "/dev/console" was only thing "udev" needed |
| 09:04.16 | dagbrown | You'd think the installer could manage it |
| 09:04.26 | dagbrown | Then again, you'd think the installer could also manage to create raid partitions on a Mac |
| 09:05.52 | pahartik | dagbrown: no installer, i had removed all static "/dev/" entries from root filesystem while using "DevFS" |
| 09:06.08 | dagbrown | Now that's an act of supreme confidence |
| 09:07.00 | pahartik | dagbrown: i guess "DevFS" was started earlier than "udev" in kernel, so that it could set up "/dev/console" before kernel needed it |
| 09:08.14 | dagbrown | The kernel only seems to care when it's time to let you log in. |
| 09:08.20 | dagbrown | Or at least, when it's time to fire up init. |
| 09:08.42 | Stereo | dagbrown: software raid? |
| 09:09.16 | pahartik | dagbrown: static device nodes are quite useless with things like "udev" and "DevFS"... |
| 09:09.59 | dagbrown | Stereo: Yes. On a G5. At install time. Er, and other times. Like if the first disk dies and you want to boot off the second. |
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| 13:51.56 | crappledev | so there i was, sitting in open firmware on my 'Wallstreet' when i decided...time to go out and buy an OS 8 CD and use bootx |
| 13:52.17 | Bor_Ed | wallstreet uses yaboot... |
| 13:52.58 | crappledev | I don't think so.. |
| 13:53.28 | crappledev | i have tried many many things, it doesn't boot from cd |
| 13:53.32 | Bor_Ed | PowerBook G3 Series (Wallstreet) |
| 13:53.32 | Bor_Ed | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:53.33 | Bor_Ed | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:53.33 | Bor_Ed | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:53.33 | Bor_Ed | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:53.39 | Bor_Ed | sorry 'bout the flood |
| 13:54.04 | crappledev | that is what i used as my guide... |
| 13:54.37 | crappledev | it sat there for a few then said 'ha ha, i can't access ide1/0:0 etc. |
| 13:54.43 | Bor_Ed | oldworlds don't boot off from cd at all (quik and bootx as options) and the rest boot with yaboot |
| 13:55.20 | crappledev | right, quick is my last option as i found little to no support. it seems like a dead project |
| 13:55.54 | Bor_Ed | I'd be happy to help but I don't have such mac and can only do some googling which you've probably done too |
| 13:56.40 | crappledev | Oh, I have. It's just gotten to the point I am going to pick up OS 8 or 9 and just use bootx |
| 13:57.03 | crappledev | my 'wallstreet' has the buggy openfirmware 2.0.1 |
| 13:57.27 | Bor_Ed | I've used 2.01 with quik on several boxes here |
| 13:57.45 | Bor_Ed | oldworld boxen though |
| 13:58.02 | crappledev | not that i need the damn computer but it has irritate me to the point that i have no choice but to get debian up and running on it |
| 13:58.05 | Bor_Ed | hmm, you can't use os8 on that box.... it requires os 8.1 |
| 13:58.33 | crappledev | Ok, things to keep in mind. I assume 9.x will work too? |
| 13:58.45 | Bor_Ed | 8.1->10.2.8 |
| 13:59.02 | Bor_Ed | and pretty much any *bsd and linux |
| 13:59.29 | crappledev | I might take it to the local apple store and see if they will let me 'borrow' os 9 while i sit there |
| 13:59.55 | Bor_Ed | os 9 install might take a while on that box... took ~an hour to get up on this g3/233 with 160 megs ram |
| 14:00.22 | crappledev | ah, that is what mine is... just it has 196 |
| 14:00.41 | Bor_Ed | ookay then |
| 14:01.16 | crappledev | damn, i can't hang out there that long, i'll end up buying something i don't need |
| 14:01.41 | Bor_Ed | like couple of macminis etc ? :D |
| 14:02.10 | crappledev | who knows when dealing with those smut peddlers |
| 14:06.41 | crappledev | Bor_Ed: You play with 2.6.12 on a mini? |
| 14:09.16 | Bor_Ed | I wish |
| 14:09.34 | Bor_Ed | don't have the ¤¤¤ to get mini currently and my gear still runs fast enough |
| 14:12.36 | crappledev | i hear ya. that is the sad thing about mac/linux, it keeps those old boxes running with use for too long |
| 14:15.44 | Bor_Ed | naa, my server is from '97 and desktop '98 (I think :) |
| 14:15.59 | Bor_Ed | just had the 'run in' phase done |
| 14:39.52 | Bor_Ed | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS5482861904.html prolly old news but it finally starts to ship (same family has dualcore ppcs too :) |
| 14:46.22 | Bor_Ed | $100 from 1GHz ver in quantity of 10k sounds fun to me... anyone else want to run 1024 cpu cluster, lets mass order :D |
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| 15:17.46 | one_2_one | hi all |
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| 16:11.21 | aarkerio | Hi, I installed Debian PPC on G5 dual system, but after a couple of hours the system dies |
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| 16:12.07 | aarkerio | any idea? |
| 16:12.50 | Bor_Ed | power management might not work |
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| 16:23.50 | aarkerio | Bor_Ed, the wird is that nobody else happens |
| 16:23.53 | aarkerio | (sorry the english is not my forte) |
| 16:24.01 | Petro | Have you tried dmesg? |
| 16:24.54 | Petro | I don't know if dmesg keeps any logs and what not, but maybe if you check it every once and a while you'll catch something going wrong |
| 16:25.04 | aarkerio | Yes, nothing is wrong for two or four hours and then "plum", like if someone disconnect the power |
| 16:25.35 | Petro | And it doesn't do this with Mac OS X? |
| 16:25.56 | aarkerio | No, OSX can be up weeks |
| 16:26.11 | aarkerio | but I dont like OS X ;-( |
| 16:26.21 | aarkerio | I want Debian!! |
| 16:26.34 | Petro | Right, I was thinking it might be a problem with your hardware, I guess not |
| 16:26.45 | Petro | What kernel are you using? |
| 16:27.37 | aarkerio | 2.6.8-smp |
| 16:27.49 | Bor_Ed | it requires 2.6.8-smp-power4 |
| 16:27.56 | Bor_Ed | or newer |
| 16:28.00 | Petro | Well there's the problem |
| 16:28.04 | aarkerio | well, I will spend all day trying to catch the problem, thanks |
| 16:28.09 | Bor_Ed | :) |
| 16:28.18 | Bor_Ed | 'g5' is power4 based cpu |
| 16:28.21 | Petro | You should even try installing the unstable kernel, might get better support |
| 16:28.36 | Bor_Ed | or build 2.6.12 yourself |
| 16:28.51 | aarkerio | mmmm, right |
| 16:28.53 | Petro | Is 2.6.12 in unstable already? |
| 16:28.58 | Bor_Ed | I doubt... a sec |
| 16:29.26 | aarkerio | No, was released a couple a days ago |
| 16:29.30 | Bor_Ed | 2.6.11 still there |
| 16:29.41 | Bor_Ed | 2.6.12 was released on friday last week |
| 16:29.53 | Petro | Right |
| 16:29.54 | Bor_Ed | and I've had it running since sunday on this box |
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| 16:59.37 | Bor_Ed | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=51134&item=5211136561&rd=1 WTF ? :o |
| 17:00.19 | simonrvn | allo |
| 17:00.57 | Bor_Ed | ello |
| 17:03.27 | Bor_Ed | simonrvn: yer familiar with non-apple, non-ibm and non-amigawannabe clone ppc boards ? |
| 17:05.13 | simonrvn | i should be a bit more methinks. ;) |
| 17:05.57 | Bor_Ed | I'm buggr searching again for affordable ppc 'desktop ready' boards |
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| 17:11.29 | Bor_Ed | I've noticed that there aren't too many boards available without obligationar 'board support package' which costs some astronomical amounts to get a linux and bootloader for the buggr |
| 17:13.21 | simonrvn | board support package? sounds like a rip-off |
| 17:13.49 | Bor_Ed | sounds like gcc and some other utils compiled for winhoser with a nice VB or such gui... |
| 17:13.54 | Bor_Ed | which most of them are |
| 17:14.00 | simonrvn | ugh |
| 17:14.05 | Bor_Ed | some even use crossX as base |
| 17:15.32 | simonrvn | wtf do they do that? fucking stupid IMO. they could be a real alternative to ibm and apple but we are talking about corporate types... |
| 17:16.02 | Bor_Ed | http://www.gnuxtools.com/ <<-- check that site out ... |
| 17:18.27 | Bor_Ed | dunno if the site has been reported to gpl violations yet or not |
| 17:18.40 | simonrvn | selling cross-compilers - gcc based (from the site's name) |
| 17:19.27 | Bor_Ed | yea, default gcc cross builds |
| 17:23.01 | simonrvn | i don't know, i see it as nasty, a bit of research, and you could build it yourself |
| 17:23.33 | Bor_Ed | no need for research... just some time to compile the buggrs and tar 'em together with some 1 sheet 'install' help |
| 17:23.57 | simonrvn | yeh, even better |
| 17:24.13 | simonrvn | docs are already out there too |
| 17:24.26 | Bor_Ed | maybe a fancy TK install 'gui' for *nix and 2 liner VB for winhoser target |
| 17:24.39 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 17:25.01 | Bor_Ed | tar xzvf package.tgz;cd package;sudo make install is a bit too much asked from buyers of that |
| 17:25.37 | Bor_Ed | winders prolly would require extracting the self extracting package and running some .bat |
| 17:26.28 | Bor_Ed | hey, I'm just trying to understand why on earth anyone is trying to sell such crap and want some money out of it... buggr the source and tools to compile those are freely available and just require a bit of time |
| 17:28.11 | Bor_Ed | GCC C Compiler |
| 17:28.11 | Bor_Ed | In addition to compiling C, GCC compiles C++, Objective C, ADA, Fortran, Java, and treelang. GCC supports the C89, C94, and C95 standards |
| 17:28.26 | Bor_Ed | buggrs really have used some time to compile all the possible packages :) |
| 17:28.30 | simonrvn | yup. i'm with you on that. like *really*. oh, i was just browsing the 'processors' pages, and they have repeats - m680x0, then lists them, etc. |
| 17:28.42 | Bor_Ed | yea :P |
| 17:28.48 | Bor_Ed | pretty sad actually |
| 17:28.53 | simonrvn | *nods* |
| 17:29.23 | Bor_Ed | oh well... that's what most 'bsp |
| 17:29.34 | Bor_Ed | 's have plus some sort of firmware and bootloader |
| 17:30.00 | Bor_Ed | usually that's u-boot though |
| 17:30.31 | simonrvn | is u-boot open in some way, or proprietary? |
| 17:30.36 | Bor_Ed | GPL'd |
| 17:30.42 | simonrvn | ok |
| 17:31.23 | Bor_Ed | afaik, it enables to boot *nix from some special type partition after dd'ing the kernel there |
| 17:31.35 | simonrvn | i see |
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| 17:32.46 | Bor_Ed | anyway, getting all the stuff together and adding that 1 precious patch to linux kernel tree then increases the price of the board from ~400 usd to 3k :/ |
| 17:33.04 | simonrvn | ffs, hehehe |
| 17:34.20 | simonrvn | oh, i got back from kanesatake earlier, spent the night there, met some really spiritual people :). it's so peaceful there, you sleep like a baby |
| 17:34.55 | Bor_Ed | well, freescale announced that mpc7448/1GHz will go at $100 usd, marvell, tundra and others have NB chips at $20+ usd, SB and misc connectors and board it self aren't more than 200-300... selling such setup at 400 would still give nice profit |
| 17:35.46 | Bor_Ed | I tend to take bike or scootah so far that I don't see any town lights, put up the tent and get sleeping back out and just relax when I want to chill or sleep well |
| 17:36.10 | simonrvn | yeh it would. and make discounts for education and poor people ;) |
| 17:36.35 | Bor_Ed | 300 is for build materials... 400 would be pretty close to be profitable |
| 17:36.50 | Bor_Ed | then hella lot more for 'dev kits' |
| 17:37.29 | Bor_Ed | linux nerds can get OF/loader through jtag interface to the board and cross compilers are manageable too :) |
| 17:37.58 | simonrvn | yeh, we need a tent and some sleeping bags, then i could get up there more often. it's not that far. took me 2 hours to go quite a ways (still gotta tally up how many kms i did the last few days ;) |
| 17:38.11 | simonrvn | yeh :) |
| 17:39.04 | Bor_Ed | tents are here next to free currently (festivals season) |
| 17:40.10 | simonrvn | oh, lucky. here the fests are all downtown and for rich people - then they kick out all the homeless from downtown to have them. really sucky. i hate cities |
| 17:40.43 | simonrvn | there are other fests of course ;) |
| 17:40.58 | Bor_Ed | I don't do festivals here since we have couple of kids we can't dump anywhere for a long weekend :P |
| 17:41.53 | Bor_Ed | I was about to shoot next weekends biggest festival site but it puked to flash on the welcome screen... |
| 17:42.16 | simonrvn | yeh.. saksten is restricted in her mobility too, so we don't go out much (except for the $$ issue) (saksten is mohawk for spouse) |
| 17:42.31 | Bor_Ed | ahh |
| 17:43.25 | simonrvn | we live on an island that was huron then iroquois territory, just a way to pay our respects to our hosts |
| 17:43.32 | Bor_Ed | we're dumping the kinds to my sisters joint for couple of days in the autumn though... get 10 years full as a pair and we're going to a some sort of a trip |
| 17:43.46 | joel | where you guys live? |
| 17:43.47 | simonrvn | oh cool. :). congrats :) |
| 17:43.51 | simonrvn | montreal |
| 17:43.54 | Bor_Ed | way up north |
| 17:44.00 | joel | sorry for interrupting.. ;) |
| 17:44.03 | simonrvn | np |
| 17:44.10 | joel | Bor_Ed: is that in canada also? |
| 17:44.17 | simonrvn | he's in .fi |
| 17:44.18 | Bor_Ed | nope, finland in europe |
| 17:44.39 | joel | so we're neighbours then :) |
| 17:44.54 | simonrvn | when i got into the pines i realised just much i miss the woods |
| 17:45.11 | simonrvn | just how* |
| 17:45.21 | joel | hmm.. montreal is eastern canada right? |
| 17:45.23 | simonrvn | yes |
| 17:45.23 | Bor_Ed | pines... wtf ? :D |
| 17:45.45 | Bor_Ed | aww, my bad... thought pineapples |
| 17:45.55 | simonrvn | the pines is a special place to kanesatake, it's where the 'oka crisis' took place most of the time. |
| 17:46.05 | Bor_Ed | we have pines here too |
| 17:46.09 | joel | Bor_Ed: what city are you in? |
| 17:46.22 | simonrvn | and there's a burial ground there, and has other significance too |
| 17:46.25 | Bor_Ed | joel: next to you on this side, dangit :P |
| 17:46.35 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 17:46.48 | joel | oh yea, now I remember :) |
| 17:46.55 | Bor_Ed | buggr 3 hour cruise ship diff between us |
| 17:47.02 | simonrvn | heh, neat |
| 17:47.09 | simonrvn | ferry? |
| 17:47.11 | Bor_Ed | yup |
| 17:47.15 | joel | are there ships still? |
| 17:47.17 | simonrvn | *nods* |
| 17:47.18 | Bor_Ed | www.rglines.com |
| 17:47.29 | joel | they were cancelled for a while I think |
| 17:47.33 | Bor_Ed | rgline.com that is |
| 17:48.01 | Bor_Ed | the buggr did go to rocks couple of times in a short period of time and they didn't have replacement ferry handy |
| 17:48.10 | joel | Im coming over to canada in january, BC |
| 17:48.39 | Bor_Ed | http://www.rgline.com/ ... buggr site |
| 17:48.53 | simonrvn | oh cool. i won't be able to welcome you personally, but welcome :) |
| 17:49.16 | Bor_Ed | anyone coming to debconf '05 btw ? |
| 17:49.26 | joel | some dump up north, "prince george" |
| 17:49.28 | simonrvn | no. |
| 17:49.35 | simonrvn | oh yeh. i know of it |
| 17:49.39 | Bor_Ed | I ain't going either it seems |
| 17:49.44 | joel | not very attractive, but Im gonna visit my sister in calgary |
| 17:49.52 | joel | and do a lot of travelling once the semester is over |
| 17:50.15 | simonrvn | i see. i'm from alberta actually, further north, little place called bonnyville. near cold lake |
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| 17:50.56 | simonrvn | (FYI, the israeli army is training at the military base over there) |
| 17:51.07 | simonrvn | cold lake CFB or such |
| 17:51.17 | joel | sheit |
| 17:51.24 | Bor_Ed | thank gawd this isn't political chan... |
| 17:51.28 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 17:51.45 | simonrvn | that would've exploded i think, heh |
| 17:51.54 | Bor_Ed | yup |
| 17:53.28 | simonrvn | got me upset when i heard that, that's all i'm saying about that ;) |
| 17:55.45 | joel | simon, I heard that BC has somewhat legalized marijuana, you know about that? |
| 17:56.52 | Q-FUNK | w00t |
| 17:56.54 | furrywolf_ | *yawns and fluffs his tail* |
| 17:57.00 | Q-FUNK | israeli army in .ca |
| 17:57.37 | Bor_Ed | lol |
| 17:57.38 | simonrvn | well, kinda... it's a bit involved, it's more decriminalised than legalised... esp. vancouver, where they're taking a health care approach to heroin addicts, and not ticketing people with MJ. MJ growing is a rather large industry in bc |
| 17:57.40 | joel | haha |
| 17:58.04 | simonrvn | hehe, furrywolf_ |
| 17:58.29 | joel | so.. can I smoke it in public? can I have grass on me? ;) |
| 17:58.41 | Q-FUNK | "I love her Mary J, I'm not the only one..." (tm) Rick James |
| 17:59.10 | simonrvn | dunno, ask people around first |
| 17:59.27 | furrywolf_ | simonrvn: bonus trekkie points if you've ever actually seen an episode with her. |
| 17:59.52 | joel | Im not really into it though.. just curious. but hey, mabye I'll just /j #canada or something :) |
| 18:00.13 | simonrvn | you're asking me to open a rusty vault here, gonna take a while ;p |
| 18:02.41 | furrywolf_ | heh. http://www.danhausertrek.com/AnimatedSeries/MRess.html :) |
| 18:03.04 | simonrvn | oh that's cheating! ;p |
| 18:05.40 | simonrvn | cool |
| 18:06.12 | furrywolf_ | why she has to make purring and moaning sounds between sentances is beyond me. furry somewhere on the staff probably. :) |
| 18:08.53 | simonrvn | yeh :) |
| 18:09.48 | furrywolf_ | back in a bit. hungry wolfy. :) |
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| 18:13.36 | simonrvn | yeh, i'm eating and reading atm :) |
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| 18:33.03 | aarkerio | in "make menuconfig", what options should I select to setup the /dev/sda disk ? |
| 18:33.29 | DelTree | ?????????????, |
| 18:33.48 | aarkerio | I mean SATA? |
| 18:34.01 | aarkerio | RAID? |
| 18:34.30 | DelTree | raid is in... md iirc... |
| 18:34.55 | aarkerio | can someone share the .config file? |
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| 18:52.34 | aarkerio | in line 226 replace this line by the following line: "#ifdef CONFIG_ALL_PPC" |
| 18:53.44 | estragon | I tray to active the function "set autoboot" of the powerpc-utils |
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| 19:24.55 | Q-FUNK | simonrvn: did you say that compiling a kernel with only the deadbeat scheduler helped improve responsiveness for you? |
| 19:26.01 | simonrvn | deadline. just enable it, elevator=deadline |
| 19:26.45 | Q-FUNK | ah, ok |
| 19:26.49 | Q-FUNK | let's try that |
| 19:27.46 | Curalton | try the patch to switch schedulers on the fly |
| 19:28.57 | simonrvn | oh, neat. |
| 19:28.59 | simonrvn | bbl |
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| 19:31.48 | estragon | no one use the autoreboot function to put a machine in a server mode ? |
| 19:33.00 | Curalton | autoreboot function? |
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| 19:33.31 | estragon | yes on the powermac's |
| 19:33.53 | estragon | the auto restart after a power faillure |
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| 19:36.40 | furrywolf_ | what is it with people who put .avi files inside of .rar files, with the resulting rar being no smaller than the avi? lol |
| 19:37.43 | pahartik | furrywolf_: they want many persons to not see content |
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| 19:38.31 | furrywolf_ | seems rather pointless. :) |
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| 19:39.44 | furrywolf_ | agh. you're right though. |
| 19:40.03 | furrywolf_ | what's in the rar is not what is supposed to be in it |
| 19:41.17 | pahartik | furrywolf_: "RAR archive" is clearly "irrelevant content" -label |
| 19:41.33 | furrywolf_ | lol |
| 19:42.00 | furrywolf_ | actually, this is the first time this has happened. usually the .rar happily unrars into an avi file SMALLER than the rar file. :) |
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| 19:45.23 | Q-FUNK | simonrvn: deadline indeed seems to help. thanks! |
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| 19:51.57 | jbglaw | Hi! |
| 19:52.55 | jbglaw | Would anybody guide me through a 7300/200 installation? |
| 19:53.50 | Q-FUNK | jbglaw: it seems to me that it's a typical oldwolrd installation. |
| 19:53.51 | jbglaw | I've already found out that the CD images won't boot; trying to boot off one of the floppies first loads the vmlinuz image, but fail to start it thereafter... |
| 19:54.48 | jbglaw | Q-FUNK: This is my very first access to a MAC. I've never ever seen one being installed; just fail to start installation and I didn't find Debian's install manual for stable all that helpful. |
| 19:55.13 | assassin | jbglaw: http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/inst/pmac |
| 19:55.16 | Q-FUNK | jbglaw: just to be sure: we are talking about Sarge, not woody, right? |
| 19:55.26 | jbglaw | There's a reference to a hfs boot floppy; is this one of boot.img or ofonly.img? |
| 19:55.31 | jbglaw | Q-FUNK: ACK. |
| 19:55.55 | Q-FUNK | pahartik: |
| 19:56.25 | assassin | I could guide you through a m68k install |
| 19:56.43 | jbglaw | Q-FUNK: I'm a Linux user for many many years and somewhat used to non-i386 architectures (like Alpha, Amiga/m68k, sparc32, parisc, VAX, ...), but fail to master this beasty 7300/200 :-) |
| 19:56.58 | Q-FUNK | :) |
| 19:59.08 | jbglaw | Seems 'quik' is what I will (at the end) boot with, right? But first I need to boot some install media. |
| 19:59.30 | Q-FUNK | yes, quick is for oldwolrd, that is correct. |
| 20:00.23 | jbglaw | There's still some MacOS on it's HDD (8.0 IIRC), but which one is the right install floppy/cdrom/tftp image, and how do I boot this? |
| 20:00.57 | pahartik | jbglaw: PowerMacintosh 7300 is quite easy |
| 20:01.03 | jbglaw | Ah, and final goal is to not have a glass console. Serial console is way more handy for me. |
| 20:01.27 | jbglaw | pahartik: I guess once I've done that *successfully*, I'll second that :) |
| 20:02.21 | pahartik | jbglaw: if you have got MacOS on it, start installer from "BootX" |
| 20:04.42 | jbglaw | pahartik: How do I initially get BootX onto that machine and from there, vmlinu[xz]+initrd.img is to be loaded I guess. |
| 20:05.06 | Q-FUNK | jbglaw: can we ask you a BIG favor? :) |
| 20:06.08 | jbglaw | Q-FUNK: Lemme guess: ^A-L in minicom to get a script of it? |
| 20:06.28 | pahartik | jbglaw: http://penguinppc.org/bootloaders/bootx/ |
| 20:07.15 | Q-FUNK | jbglaw: nope. :) just that if you find that the Sarge installation instructions are lacking in some way, expecially if you find that pahartik's intructions are more complete or more precise, please file a bug against the installation manual and explain. |
| 20:07.56 | jbglaw | Q-FUNK: No problem. |
| 20:08.05 | Q-FUNK | jbglaw: this way, others who also found the Sarge installation notes for PPC unclear might have it easier than you did, in the future :) |
| 20:08.22 | Q-FUNK | cheers! |
| 20:08.57 | Q-FUNK | assassin: come again? |
| 20:09.21 | jbglaw | pahartik: I just downloaded the .sit file off Ben's page. Will MacOS 8 take MS-DOS formatted 1.44MB floppies? |
| 20:10.02 | jbglaw | Ah, and I guess kernel and/or initrd will be way larger than 1.44MB, so I need to split+reassemble them. |
| 20:10.05 | pahartik | jbglaw: that depends... |
| 20:10.25 | assassin | Q-FUNK: I'm looking a distributor's book which lists a 68040 for 299, yet their site is showing 3331 |
| 20:10.38 | assassin | -3000 |
| 20:10.46 | Q-FUNK | hm |
| 20:10.49 | pahartik | jbglaw: PowerMacintosh 7300 does have on-board ethernet |
| 20:10.59 | assassin | Is it becoming legacy? |
| 20:11.16 | Q-FUNK | it already is |
| 20:11.23 | assassin | Well even more so ;) |
| 20:11.45 | jbglaw | jbglaw@min:~/pmac$ ls -l BootX_1.2.2.sit |
| 20:11.45 | jbglaw | -rw-r--r-- 1 jbglaw jbglaw 1786964 Jun 21 22:08 BootX_1.2.2.sit |
| 20:12.13 | jbglaw | Won't fit a floppy... |
| 20:12.20 | pahartik | jbglaw: one can use HTTP or SCP client to move files... |
| 20:12.49 | Q-FUNK | wasn't it so that bootx can be started from desktop and made to then bootstrap the installer cd? |
| 20:13.01 | Q-FUNK | a bit like loadlin on i386? |
| 20:13.27 | jbglaw | As in: first (try to) assign some IP address and then find a HTTP or SSH client that's already installed on this MacOS 8.0 ? |
| 20:14.43 | pahartik | jbglaw: if neither is installed... hmmm... |
| 20:16.23 | pahartik | jbglaw: of HTTP clients, it might have CyberDog, Netscape, iCab, Fetch... |
| 20:18.24 | jbglaw | First, I learned that in MacOS, you can hide mostly all settings; just found the switch... |
| 20:23.12 | jbglaw | I've not found something that looks like a web browser. Just for the curious, I looked at the install CD. |
| 20:23.34 | jbglaw | It contains loadlin and some gzip.exe (*very* helpful on a PPC box). |
| 20:23.52 | jbglaw | Also conains /install/yaboot{,.conf}, but that's not executable :( |
| 20:24.01 | assassin | pahartik> jbglaw: http://penguinppc.org/bootloaders/bootx/ |
| 20:29.18 | jbglaw | I'd burn an ISO9660-based CD containing the BootX program. Would that help? |
| 20:30.57 | jbglaw | ...and looking at the watch reveals I'll leave for home. It's 22:30 local time here and I'm still sitting in the company... |
| 20:34.22 | jbglaw | Nope. Translated from German, the error message is something like 'Opening BOOTX_1_.SIT failed because the handling program wasn't found. Want to open it with "SimpleText"? Cancel/OK |
| 20:35.16 | furrywolf_ | do you have stuffit? |
| 20:36.40 | jbglaw | furrywolf_: Don't know. How do I find out? |
| 20:36.57 | furrywolf_ | dunno, I don't touch macs. I just seem to recall .sit being a stuffit archive. |
| 20:37.27 | jbglaw | :) |
| 20:37.43 | jbglaw | 22:01 < pahartik> jbglaw: PowerMacintosh 7300 is quite easy |
| 20:39.12 | jbglaw | StuffIt looks like one-size-fits-them-all solution, and a costly one... |
| 20:44.27 | jbglaw | Woody's ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/woody/main/disks-powerpc/current/README.txt even references the SRM console, which is used on Alphas. *sigh* |
| 20:49.57 | jbglaw | Yay! Woody's boot-floppy-hfs.img actually 'boot floppy:vmlinux' worked somewhat. |
| 20:50.21 | jbglaw | Though, I need to add some command-line options (like console=ttyS0) |
| 20:51.21 | estragon | re : no one use the autoreboot function to put a machine in a server mode ? |
| 20:52.33 | jbglaw | seems it doesn't honor console=ttyS0 :( |
| 20:53.31 | estragon | some month ago i install sarge on 7400 withourt to much truble, |
| 20:54.10 | jbglaw | How did you initially start the installation, and from what media? |
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| 20:55.46 | estragon | i'm not shure, but after a tray with netbsd (nice but no support of the serial port) bad for a fax server |
| 20:56.00 | estragon | i install sarge from cd... |
| 20:56.34 | estragon | to furst boot, i'm no more shure but i thing i have boot with a zip |
| 20:56.45 | estragon | and os 9 |
| 20:56.51 | estragon | with bootx |
| 20:57.20 | estragon | after the install i install quik and now the disk boot well |
| 20:57.36 | jbglaw | Ah, I don't yet have bootx (larger than one floppy) and my MacOS (8.0) doens't really have a web-browsing tool... |
| 20:57.44 | estragon | just you cant use ext3 has file systeme but ext 2 |
| 20:58.35 | estragon | may be you can make a so 9 partition on the disk |
| 20:59.08 | estragon | just for the fust boot a reinstall after the boot on iT... BUT A LITTLE BIT losing time |
| 20:59.34 | estragon | don't you have an external zip may be? |
| 21:01.22 | jbglaw | estragon: Nops. |
| 21:02.27 | estragon | excuse me but i'm not well rememeber the way i use |
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| 21:03.11 | estragon | i think i boot on the master harddisk with os9 ans bootx |
| 21:03.50 | estragon | and after the boot i install on the same harddisk after a formatage of it |
| 21:06.31 | estragon | excuse me that i can't help you more now, but 1 think it's no to complicated, because i do it!!! |
| 21:07.41 | estragon | i think that the more complicated phase was the disk partition wrintik on it a bootloader that works with quik and the ext2/3 that i speack abaout befor |
| 21:15.28 | jbglaw | The woody installation works somewhat. I guess I could probably have changed it's kernel with the sarge one, as well as the initrd? |
| 21:15.47 | jbglaw | Though, woody's rusty fdisk isn't what I'd love to present to my mom... |
| 21:16.47 | estragon | but for a 7300 i't qound be better, and you can go on sarge after |
| 21:17.36 | jbglaw | I've found this: http://www.biccard.com/alan/7200/7200boot.html |
| 21:17.55 | jbglaw | I'm now in the debootstrap phase. |
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| 21:20.44 | Kineanu | hi everybody |
| 21:23.31 | Kineanu | I have a problem installing Sarge on a powermac quicksilver |
| 21:24.24 | Kineanu | I have the ATI Radeon 7500 graphics card, but after the installation, I can't see anything (wrong driver, I think) |
| 21:26.11 | Kineanu | Can anybody help me please? |
| 21:26.33 | estragon | me not ;-( |
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| 23:22.07 | Q-FUNK | simonrvn: http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/linux390/perf/tuning_rec_dasd_ioScheduler.html |
| 23:27.52 | Q-FUNK | simonrvn: it basically seems that the default scheduler is about the worst choice |
| 23:28.16 | Q-FUNK | deadline or cfq appear to be better choices. |
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