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| 02:15.32 | bogun | there is no one alive in #debianppc, I am trying to install sarge on powerbook _sss_ |
| 02:15.35 | bogun | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:15.38 | bogun | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:15.41 | bogun | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:15.44 | bogun | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:15.47 | bogun | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:15.50 | bogun | ugh |
| 02:15.52 | bogun | wat the hell |
| 02:16.09 | dagbrown | ... |
| 02:16.10 | bogun | there is no one alive in #debianppc, I am trying to install sarge on powerbook 3400c, I can get it to boot into the kernel, load the ramdisk, and start the installer and other stuff from the cd, but I have only one partition HFS, which i don't want to mess with, until i can find a resizer or find out how good the hardware in that particular notebook is supported? would anyone here have any idea? |
| 02:16.23 | dagbrown | parted |
| 02:16.24 | bogun | i typed up the really long question in a text editor and didnt't paste right |
| 02:16.25 | bogun | sorry |
| 02:16.41 | dagbrown | Just use a text editor as an IRC client, end of problem |
| 02:17.05 | bogun | parted is reliable in hfs resizing |
| 02:17.06 | bogun | ? |
| 02:17.43 | dagbrown | I dunno about the reliability, but apparently it can manage it. |
| 02:17.44 | bogun | how well is the hardware support in that particular machine, the powerbook 3400c, because if all hardware works well under sarge, I would like to just get rid of the mac system |
| 02:18.51 | bogun | right now I am able to boot with the bootx program, and run d-i, and get to the partitioner, when I did, I ran into more questions I had not thought about. |
| 02:19.30 | bogun | 1: if say the hardware support is well, and I went ahead and repartitioned it to be ext3, how exactly would the boot loader work under that |
| 02:19.43 | bogun | like if bootx is gone, what other boot installer would be installed? |
| 02:19.52 | bogun | i mean boot loader* |
| 02:20.00 | dagbrown | My suggestion: Grab another hard disk, drop that into your powerbook, try it out. |
| 02:20.10 | bogun | where can i get one, and how much? |
| 02:20.22 | dagbrown | ...uh, a hard disk? |
| 02:20.27 | bogun | for the laptop |
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| 02:20.36 | bogun | i've never messed with opening one up |
| 02:21.55 | dagbrown | You can buy a hard drive at any computer store. |
| 02:22.05 | bogun | i have a few 10gb hds |
| 02:22.09 | bogun | but they are ide |
| 02:22.16 | bogun | for a tower pc |
| 02:22.21 | bogun | would they work? |
| 02:22.30 | bogun | I seriously doubt it |
| 02:22.51 | dagbrown | Probably not, that's why you go to a computer store, ask about notebook hard drives. |
| 02:23.07 | bogun | are you on a mac? |
| 02:23.09 | dagbrown | You can probably get a 10G one for less than $50, if they still have any left. |
| 02:24.19 | bogun | well i have my second question to which i can't find the answer |
| 02:24.35 | bogun | how does bootloading in that notebook work |
| 02:24.53 | pahartik | dagbrown: PowerBook 3400c is laptop computer |
| 02:25.12 | bogun | first open firmware 2.0.1 loads, then it in turn loads mac os, which in turn loads bootx, which loads linux |
| 02:25.29 | bogun | how can i skip all those and load linux right after openfirmware in the notebook |
| 02:25.45 | bogun | I tried to read some reference manuals on openfirmware |
| 02:26.05 | bogun | tried some commands |
| 02:26.13 | dagbrown | pahartik: I realize that |
| 02:26.16 | pahartik | bogun: "Quik" is bootloader you should try |
| 02:26.19 | dagbrown | That's why I mentioned notebook drives |
| 02:26.26 | bogun | Quik eh |
| 02:26.31 | bogun | ok let me check it out |
| 02:27.17 | bogun | I know the boot command in open firmware |
| 02:27.27 | bogun | but how do mac paths work on that |
| 02:27.35 | bogun | i tried /dev/blah blah but of course it wouldn't work |
| 02:28.13 | bogun | if I wanted to load something through o.f. and it resides in the system folder of mac os 8.1, what path would i sp ecify after boot? |
| 02:28.38 | bogun | I couldn't find this information anywhere, and if booted like that, can the linux kernel still load, with the ram image? |
| 02:29.49 | xbaez | someone has gnome 2.10 ? |
| 02:29.56 | xbaez | i have some problem with that |
| 02:30.09 | xbaez | like this with nautilus Nautilus can't be used now, due to an unexpected error from Bonobo when attempting to locate the factory |
| 02:30.13 | xbaez | someone can help me |
| 02:31.01 | pahartik | bogun: start installer with "BootX", installer writes "Quik" on harddisk at the end of install... |
| 02:32.27 | bogun | so the debian sarge netboot cd has quik on it, which it installs insted of grub or some other boto loader |
| 02:32.40 | bogun | I looked around in the cds, i only found yaboot |
| 02:32.43 | bogun | unless I missed something |
| 02:34.01 | pahartik | bogun: "Quik" wants "ext2fs", so at least "/boot/" has to be "ext2fs"... it is probably easiest to install whole system on "ext2fs" and convert rest to "ext3fs" when system is installed and running |
| 02:35.24 | bogun | is there a software for Mac os which allowes me to resize hfs partitions? |
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| 02:37.55 | xbaez | sorry i forgive say that i have gnome 2.10 in debian sid on an ibook g4 |
| 02:40.43 | pahartik | bogun: patch for HFS (or HFS+?) resizing supposedly exists for "parted"... |
| 02:41.44 | bogun | does parted work on mac os |
| 02:41.49 | bogun | 8.1 |
| 02:44.13 | pahartik | bogun: "parted" as in "GNU parted", http://www.gnu.org/software/parted/ |
| 02:47.54 | bogun | os i need to get the boot image |
| 02:48.11 | bogun | i don't run linux yet on the powerbook |
| 02:48.16 | bogun | so* |
| 02:50.37 | pahartik | bogun: you can install MacOS again from MacOS CD-ROM and try installing Linux few times if something fails... |
| 02:51.43 | pahartik | bogun: especially if you are not used to installing Debian GNU/Linux sarge |
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| 03:11.22 | bogun | i've done plenty of installs on pcs |
| 03:11.25 | bogun | just not on macs |
| 03:11.28 | bogun | i know nothing about macs |
| 03:11.43 | bogun | I have been running sarge for quite some time myself now |
| 03:11.44 | simonrvn | let's put it this way, they're different |
| 03:11.50 | bogun | yup |
| 03:11.52 | bogun | sure are |
| 03:13.17 | bogun | the sarge installer cd for ppc does not have quik bootloader, but only has yaboot, how will it install quik after installing linux? |
| 03:13.28 | simonrvn | you use floppies |
| 03:13.34 | bogun | there is no floppy drive |
| 03:13.37 | bogun | only zip and cd bay |
| 03:13.56 | simonrvn | what's the machine? |
| 03:14.01 | bogun | powerbook 3400c |
| 03:14.15 | bogun | old old old |
| 03:14.17 | simonrvn | yeh, i just saw scrollback |
| 03:14.55 | bogun | my open firmware supports booting from cd |
| 03:14.57 | simonrvn | only option for now is bootx methinks |
| 03:15.03 | simonrvn | you sure? |
| 03:15.07 | bogun | yup |
| 03:15.28 | bogun | its 2.0.1 and on the ftp://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD/NetBSD-1.6.1/macppc/INSTALL.html#Prepare%20yourself it says my version supports booting from iso9660 fs |
| 03:15.38 | simonrvn | ok. problem is yaboot. maybe you can make a custom boot cd, with jigdo |
| 03:15.50 | simonrvn | uh, that's for netbsd, not linux |
| 03:16.04 | simonrvn | different os |
| 03:16.16 | bogun | but it lits which open firmware versions of MAC can boto from what |
| 03:16.34 | bogun | and according to them, 2.0.1 can boot from a cd |
| 03:16.45 | simonrvn | again, that's netbsd |
| 03:16.56 | bogun | explain to me what you are taling about |
| 03:17.15 | simonrvn | they. are. different. kernels. they. are. different. OSes. |
| 03:17.22 | bogun | yes |
| 03:17.24 | bogun | i know that |
| 03:17.27 | simonrvn | they don't work the exact same |
| 03:17.34 | bogun | but oenfirmware comes before kernel and or os |
| 03:17.50 | bogun | the that site says open firmware 2.0.1 CAN boot from cd |
| 03:17.51 | simonrvn | bootloader. different bootloader |
| 03:18.07 | bogun | what has that to do with linur or anyting |
| 03:18.11 | simonrvn | ofboot booting, not quik nor yaboot |
| 03:18.17 | simonrvn | or bootx |
| 03:18.18 | bogun | ah i see |
| 03:18.56 | simonrvn | sure you'll be able to boot netbsd, but not linux from cd |
| 03:19.33 | bogun | so my notebook rightnow, the pb 3400c as of right now, can't boot from cd, even with open firmware 2.0.1? |
| 03:19.47 | simonrvn | yes. it's an oldworld |
| 03:20.11 | bogun | ahh |
| 03:20.24 | bogun | i can start the installer from boot x |
| 03:20.46 | bogun | say i go ahead and repartition the entire disk and install debian, how would I get the boot loader on the disk? |
| 03:20.52 | bogun | i have no floppy bays, only cdrom and zip |
| 03:20.52 | simonrvn | yes. use the initrd and the kernel |
| 03:21.10 | bogun | huh? |
| 03:21.16 | simonrvn | do you have a mock os cd? |
| 03:21.21 | bogun | nope |
| 03:21.25 | bogun | no mac os cds |
| 03:21.31 | bogun | this was given to me by my p rofessor |
| 03:21.39 | bogun | old laptop, no cds |
| 03:22.08 | bogun | do you know of a live cd linux i can use |
| 03:22.19 | bogun | i can tell bootx to use the kernel off the live cd |
| 03:22.26 | bogun | is that possible? |
| 03:23.19 | simonrvn | bootx is coded to read kernels from the booted device's 'System Folder:Linux Kernels' (mac os path) |
| 03:23.28 | bogun | yup |
| 03:23.32 | bogun | i saw that in the docs |
| 03:24.15 | bogun | there is nothing but mac os 8.1 on the 3gb drive that is in the book |
| 03:24.33 | bogun | is there a software i can download and run under mac os 8.1 which allowes resizing of hfs partition |
| 03:24.42 | bogun | that way i can keep bootx to load from |
| 03:24.44 | simonrvn | i don't know of any |
| 03:24.58 | bogun | parted was recomended to me, but does it work on macs? |
| 03:25.01 | bogun | under macs? |
| 03:25.22 | simonrvn | you might be able to do it from linux, with parted's experiemental hfs support |
| 03:25.29 | simonrvn | experimental* |
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| 03:56.23 | dagbrown | I think y'all should read this, because y'all will lauf and lauf and lauf: http://www.forbes.com/intelligentinfrastructure/2005/06/16/linux-bsd-unix-cz_dl_0616theo.html |
| 03:56.55 | simonrvn | what's 'lauf'? |
| 04:06.25 | bogun | simonrvn: it wouldn't be of any use to me, to resize after linux has been installed because I have no mac os cds |
| 04:06.57 | bogun | i need to resize before linux is installed so i can keep bootx on mac partition, and install linux on the rest of the hds space |
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| 04:22.27 | dagbrown | NOTE TO SELF: When you say "dd if=/dev/sda2 if=/dev/sdb2", MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S WHAT YOU MEANT TO TYPE! Perhaps you actually wanted "dd if=/dev/sda2 of=/dev/sdb2" |
| 04:37.27 | bogun | i think i'll order mac os 8 cds off ebay |
| 04:37.36 | bogun | retail version boxed almot mint is 15$ |
| 04:37.49 | bogun | then i can reparition and dual boot until I get everything working |
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| 04:44.09 | dagbrown | Did you try parted? |
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| 04:49.11 | ppcdebian | hey you guys still here |
| 04:49.23 | ppcdebian | I ran the debian install on the 3400c again |
| 04:49.47 | ppcdebian | at the last %ages of it loading stuff from the cd (right before it configures network) it said something like quik installer |
| 04:49.49 | dagbrown | Along with parted? |
| 04:50.03 | ppcdebian | so am I to understand that debian sarge includes the quik installer |
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| 08:12.15 | dagbrown | Holy cow but yabootconfig makes some huge assumptions |
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| 08:25.46 | one_2_one | how is working 2.6.12 in ppc ? |
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| 08:36.32 | DarkNoise | Petro |
| 08:36.34 | DarkNoise | (21:20:13) (Petro) DarkNoise: Good overtime pay in Aus? |
| 08:36.43 | DarkNoise | yep its usually double time |
| 08:36.58 | DarkNoise | sory forgot to pay internet bill and got cut off :P |
| 08:37.04 | jbglaw | Well, I completely fail installing sarge on my 7300/200. I cannot boot the boot media (actually, I'm not even sure which one is the right one...). |
| 08:37.28 | jbglaw | Installing from Woody floppies succeedes somewhat, but it's 2.2.x kernel seems to have some SCSI related problems. |
| 08:38.10 | jbglaw | When SCSI load goes up, I get errors, but that's already the third SCSI HDD I've tested, so I guess it's not the disk :) |
| 08:38.48 | jbglaw | So did anybody of you install sarge with CD or floppies on an OldWorld MAC? |
| 08:39.09 | aba | jbglaw: in development, that was done |
| 08:39.55 | jbglaw | During d-i development? |
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| 08:44.19 | pahartik | jbglaw: "MAC" stands for "Media Access Control" (and some other things) |
| 08:46.05 | Q-FUNK | s/does/makes |
| 08:46.26 | pahartik | jbglaw: ...and i have only used BootX to install on OldWorld PowerMacintosh |
| 08:47.01 | pahartik | jbglaw: ...to install Linux on... |
| 08:47.19 | jbglaw | pahartik: Requires MacOS, already wiped :) |
| 08:51.28 | Petro | DarkNoise: lol |
| 08:52.59 | DarkNoise | ^_^ |
| 08:53.14 | Petro | What is this mkvmlinuz thingy? |
| 08:53.47 | Petro | Should normal desktops use it now instead of yaboot? |
| 08:55.26 | pahartik | jbglaw: it would help you if someone created image of Quik, kernel image and installer initrd image installed on ext2fs within Macintosh partition table... |
| 08:57.14 | pahartik | jbglaw: actually it could be useful in general for OldWorld systems... |
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| 09:11.09 | jbglaw | pahartik: Can this easily be done on a i386 Linux system, or can you only install the tools on a ppc box? |
| 09:12.16 | Q-FUNK | vax?! |
| 09:13.22 | jbglaw | Q-FUNK: Yeah, I'm working on the port. |
| 09:13.35 | Q-FUNK | nice |
| 09:14.04 | jbglaw | -sh-3.00# cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 09:14.04 | jbglaw | cpu : VAX |
| 09:14.04 | jbglaw | cpu type : KA43 |
| 09:14.04 | jbglaw | cpu sid : 0x0b000006 |
| 09:14.04 | jbglaw | cpu sidex : 0x04010002 |
| 09:14.06 | jbglaw | page size : 4096 |
| 09:14.08 | jbglaw | BogoMIPS : 10.06 |
| 09:15.56 | Q-FUNK | pretty neat |
| 09:16.44 | jbglaw | We still need a toolchain hacker to build us a working glibc (-> userland compiler). |
| 09:16.55 | jbglaw | GCC for kernel *only* already works: |
| 09:17.22 | jbglaw | -sh-3.00# cat /proc/version |
| 09:17.22 | jbglaw | Linux version 2.6.11 (jbglaw@d2) (gcc version 4.1.0 20050618 (experimental)) #156 Sun Jun 19 10:37:18 CEST 2005 |
| 09:19.29 | pahartik | jbglaw: for some reason "quik" package seems to only be available on "powerpc" architecture |
| 09:19.53 | pahartik | jbglaw: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=quik&searchon=names&version=all&release=main |
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| 09:20.08 | jbglaw | My impression is that quik itself is powerpc-OldWorld specific, so for sure you won't ever need it on y PeeCee... |
| 09:21.04 | pahartik | jbglaw: you could use it at the moment? |
| 09:21.07 | jbglaw | But eg. looking for a kernel, they seem to be pretty big these days (eg. for hd-install), so it may be somewhat problematic to put it onto a floppy... |
| 09:21.21 | jbglaw | My PPC box? Or the VAX? |
| 09:21.27 | jbglaw | The PPC box is near-unuseable |
| 09:22.00 | jbglaw | It got SCSI problems during installation/update of coreutils, so mkdir/ln/ls/cp is missing :-/ |
| 09:22.08 | pahartik | jbglaw: which one of those are you running IRC client on at the moment? |
| 09:22.41 | jbglaw | That's the main host of LUG-OWL.de, hosted in some data centre at a large telco. |
| 09:24.11 | pahartik | jbglaw: all right, i assume that you have terminal only and no workstations nearby |
| 09:25.10 | jbglaw | pahartik: Oh no, I've got everything around :) I can access all my machines at home, as well as all machines over here at work. |
| 09:25.18 | pahartik | jbglaw: "quik" package would not be useful without Linux workstation |
| 09:29.37 | jbglaw | What's the correct --target= for a cross-compiler: ppc-linux or powerpc-linux ? |
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| 09:42.53 | _rene_ | jbglaw: the latter. |
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| 09:52.42 | jbglaw | _rene_: Thanks. We'll see how well my vax-linux cross-compiler generating script works for that :) |
| 10:17.47 | jbglaw | Seems to work; it's already running the testsuite. |
| 10:54.30 | jbglaw | ls -la |
| 10:57.29 | _rene_ | segmentation fault |
| 10:57.30 | _rene_ | :-P |
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| 11:45.26 | jbglaw | _rene_: I actually think about typing 'ls -l' into the wrong window. Maybe I'd use "ls -l" as a password, so nobody would ever guess that this could be a password :) |
| 11:46.06 | _rene_ | jbglaw: lol |
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| 12:36.39 | Q-FUNK | http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/newss/5900/1/ |
| 12:52.41 | simonrvn | shoulda warned me that the site was covered in anti-linux micro$haft ads |
| 12:56.02 | simonrvn | hmm, s/micro/macro/ |
| 13:02.50 | Q-FUNK | hm? |
| 13:03.19 | Q-FUNK | http://www.boingboing.net/2005/06/21/star_trek_pledge_of_.html |
| 13:03.21 | simonrvn | the URI you pasted |
| 13:03.35 | simonrvn | the first one =) |
| 13:03.41 | Q-FUNK | *sigh* yes, even publication supposedly pushing for linux get ms ads. |
| 13:03.55 | simonrvn | fucking BS... |
| 13:04.03 | simonrvn | *sigh* |
| 13:04.53 | simonrvn | thebug: there's a generic package that installs the latest update to the installed kernel, not sure what it's called, you'll have to read the description |
| 13:05.29 | thebug | thank you simonrvn |
| 13:05.50 | simonrvn | iirc it's one of the ones you mentioned in #debian |
| 13:05.54 | thebug | I -hate- dropping in on #debian ... it's become more worthless than ever |
| 13:06.53 | simonrvn | should be called #debian-x86 for how many x86 questions they are... |
| 13:07.08 | simonrvn | s/they/there/ |
| 13:07.23 | jbglaw | Oh, no no... Lets first settle the most basic PPC questions :) |
| 13:07.30 | thebug | there should just be #debian-idiots, where the ops in #debian can bounce 90% of the people in #debian to |
| 13:07.38 | simonrvn | no, i meant #debian, not here |
| 13:07.48 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 13:09.18 | thebug | do bob2/greycat/abrotman/[anyone else you can think of] and the old gang ever drop by there, or is it mainly just the regular noob chatter? |
| 13:09.34 | simonrvn | yeh, just not right now |
| 13:09.44 | thebug | ah , well at least that's a start |
| 13:10.09 | simonrvn | that channel has grown over the last few months |
| 13:10.14 | thebug | I had -3- of those noob idiots PM me and tell me to just 'blow away my machine and reinstall fresh with sarge' |
| 13:10.29 | simonrvn | i've seen it hit close to 950 a few times |
| 13:10.30 | thebug | yeah, I obliterate perfectly good 5 year old servers |
| 13:10.35 | simonrvn | wtf |
| 13:10.37 | thebug | yipe! |
| 13:11.19 | simonrvn | what i do when a newbie pms me is say on channel 'don't /msg me please' |
| 13:12.17 | thebug | generally, unless it's someone I know is going to give me sane advice, that'll get them a 'dont /msg me', a /ignore, and a paste of irssi's /ignore response |
| 13:12.50 | simonrvn | i was doing a selection, and it started scrolling on its own way beyond the point i wanted to stop, i tried stopping it, but it's got a mind of its own |
| 13:13.24 | thebug | hmm |
| 13:13.33 | thebug | scroll wheel, or scrollbar? |
| 13:13.35 | simonrvn | my irssi ignore list is around 140 |
| 13:13.46 | simonrvn | tried both. won't stop |
| 13:13.57 | thebug | simonrvn: same here ... also nospambot.pl helps immensely |
| 13:14.12 | thebug | no , i meant what did you use that started it scrolling? |
| 13:14.36 | simonrvn | tried grabbing the scrollbar, tried grabbing the scroll tab (?), tried clicking on the top part of the scroll bar, tried clicking on the page. nothing worked |
| 13:14.52 | simonrvn | i'm hoping it'll stop at the bottom, and i can then fix it... |
| 13:14.55 | simonrvn | hmm |
| 13:15.06 | simonrvn | oh, the selection |
| 13:16.50 | thebug | I can't find anything directly relevent, I'd chalk it up to general gnome app buginess |
| 13:17.33 | simonrvn | seems so |
| 13:18.25 | simonrvn | well, i'm getting autosaves, so i'll just kill it. it reached the bottom, but nothing different happened |
| 13:18.32 | Q-FUNK | heck, even /. has ms ads now... |
| 13:18.40 | demon | heh... when it did becomme acceptable to PRIVMSG someone you could easily PUBLIC to? |
| 13:19.15 | thebug | Q-FUNK: they've had them for at least 12 months then, I stopped reading it over a year ago |
| 13:19.29 | simonrvn | since they didn't read any sort of irc faq nor netiquette doc |
| 13:19.54 | simonrvn | yeh, /. has had m$ ads for a while. it's sick |
| 13:20.23 | thebug | especially funny when they're visual studio or windows server adds on a post grousing about ms |
| 13:20.31 | thebug | s/adds/ads |
| 13:21.44 | simonrvn | i had nuke object/nuke image in firefox, so i just killed them off ;). also adblock is there, so i added it to the db |
| 13:22.45 | thebug | I don't read /. anymore, but alterslash.org can be an interesting spin on it, just to grab the article titles and summaries ... also the signal/noise graphs always make me laugh |
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| 13:32.10 | simonrvn | i'm fixing up the formatting for this michif cd text thingy |
| 13:32.39 | simonrvn | used to be a m$ .doc file... eh |
| 13:33.20 | simonrvn | just so it's more legible, etc. |
| 13:42.08 | simonrvn | e.g., 'Dishinikawshon Simon', is 'My name is Simon' (pronounced di-shi-ni-kaw-shooñ or similar) |
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| 13:52.49 | Bor_Ed | hi, my name is .... hi, my name is... hi, my name is sisisisisimonraven :D |
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| 14:34.36 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 14:35.03 | Bor_Ed | just had to :) |
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| 14:35.31 | debianppc | hi |
| 14:35.46 | debianppc | i was here last night, asking about the powerbook 3400c and debian |
| 14:35.55 | debianppc | well i got it installed and it runs good |
| 14:36.07 | debianppc | it installed quik and works nicely |
| 14:36.43 | debianppc | whats a good window manager for that machine |
| 14:36.49 | debianppc | since there is no right click |
| 14:36.59 | Bor_Ed | @3 buttons |
| 14:36.59 | ravenbird | sysctl -w dev.mac_hid.mouse_button_emulation=1, and dev.mac_hid.mouse_buttonY_keycode=XX -- where XX is a number you get from showkey (in console only), the key you want, and Y is 2 or 3. however, you'll lose functionality of the selected keys for any other use, or to make the change permanent, add the entries to /etc/sysctl.conf - man sysctl.conf, and you can ... |
| 14:37.10 | Bor_Ed | ^^ and there's right and mid click too |
| 14:37.41 | Bor_Ed | function keys are decent places to put the extra mouse 'buttons' |
| 14:37.49 | debianppc | ahh |
| 14:37.50 | debianppc | nice |
| 14:37.54 | debianppc | bbl |
| 14:40.07 | simonrvn | before i left the walk yesterday, some of the folks who had $$ on them gave me some of their native smokes, which i found really sweet. :) |
| 14:40.54 | Bor_Ed | sheesh :) |
| 14:41.15 | simonrvn | enough for a pack of 20-25 |
| 14:41.17 | Bor_Ed | you pulled the bong from the pocket instantly, right ? :) |
| 14:41.19 | simonrvn | :) |
| 14:41.36 | simonrvn | all i had was a big hug for them |
| 14:41.46 | Bor_Ed | hehe |
| 14:42.45 | furrywolf_ | bah :P |
| 14:43.12 | simonrvn | what do you mean, 'bah' ? ;p |
| 14:43.26 | furrywolf_ | everyone hugs don't count. :P |
| 14:43.44 | simonrvn | it does too ! |
| 14:43.46 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 14:43.56 | furrywolf_ | lol |
| 14:44.00 | simonrvn | called a group hug :) |
| 14:44.46 | furrywolf_ | anyone have a radeon 9250 they want to get rid of? sadly, the $1 + $10 shipping on ebay is more than I can afford. |
| 14:45.20 | simonrvn | no. if a had a radeon, i'd be using it ;) |
| 14:45.27 | furrywolf_ | heh |
| 14:45.46 | furrywolf_ | the 9250 looks to be the most-shiny dual-head graphics card with open-source drivers. |
| 14:45.49 | simonrvn | if i had an extra one yes |
| 14:46.26 | simonrvn | overfiend told me 8500 and up were ok with the OSS drivers |
| 14:47.06 | furrywolf_ | after 9250 becomes the r300 chip, which seems poorly supported |
| 14:47.19 | furrywolf_ | I have an 8500, but it's not dual-head. |
| 14:47.54 | simonrvn | *nods* |
| 14:48.50 | furrywolf_ | it's dual-head, but I have two analog monitors, and it only supports digital for the second screen. (dvi plug without the 4 analog pins) |
| 14:49.15 | gerard | dit some one use the function autoreboot frome powerpc=utils? |
| 14:50.33 | simonrvn | not me |
| 14:57.14 | gerard | i don't know how to activat it |
| 14:58.28 | simonrvn | it should be anyway... i don't know what you're trying to do exactly... just set auto-boot? to true with nvsetenv |
| 14:59.16 | gerard | exactly i'm on an oldworld machine |
| 14:59.39 | gerard | ant the powerpc=utils pack just had a fonction to it |
| 14:59.55 | simonrvn | so what's this 'function autoreboot' thing you're talking about? |
| 15:00.19 | simonrvn | yeh, ok. i just mentioned what you do to it to have that happen |
| 15:04.04 | debianppc | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:04.06 | debianppc | ya'll suck |
| 15:04.10 | debianppc | i ran out of budd last night |
| 15:04.11 | debianppc | :/ |
| 15:04.14 | debianppc | anywa off to work I go |
| 15:04.19 | debianppc | have a good one |
| 15:05.19 | simonrvn | why would *we* suck if *you* ran out of bud? you suck for running out ;) |
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| 15:44.10 | BleSS | do u know any sbc as soekris (but ppc) with 3 lans? |
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| 15:47.43 | jbglaw | Okay, I tried to "update" my 7300/200 with ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/installer-powerpc/current/images/powerpc/hd-media/2.4/vmlinux (to get 2.2.20 updated to some 2.4 variant at least). |
| 15:47.51 | jbglaw | But QUIK won't boot that: |
| 15:47.55 | jbglaw | Fatal error: Image too large to fit in destination |
| 15:47.58 | jbglaw | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:48.10 | jbglaw | What's exactly the cause? |
| 15:50.01 | ErRandir | file is too big... run strip on it |
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| 15:50.20 | jbglaw | ErRandir: Already did :) Error remains the same. |
| 15:51.35 | Q-FUNK | jbglaw: now seems like a good time to bug the debian-installer about this. you've already been spending a few days trying to make it wokr. at this point, it think it's up to them to clarify ppc/oldworld installation to you. |
| 15:51.39 | jbglaw | I only found SILO references to this error messages. Sparc32 *really* does have some weirednesses so that it's somewhat hard loading images larger than about 1.2MB, but PPC? |
| 15:52.16 | jbglaw | Q-FUNK: It's only about the 2nd day, about 10..15 actual hours, intermixed with looking at sources :) |
| 15:52.27 | Q-FUNK | debian-install team, that is |
| 15:52.34 | Q-FUNK | or, alternately, the authors of the ppc installation notes for sarge. |
| 15:53.31 | jbglaw | Already bug'ed at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=315393 |
| 15:53.33 | Q-FUNK | jbglaw: I personally would be rather critical of the ppc installtion notes. if doing what it says fails or if what it says is so unclear that I cannto see an obvious step-by-step list of procedures, I file a bug. |
| 15:53.42 | ErRandir | i skipped 2.4 and went to a self-built 2.6 |
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| 15:54.32 | jbglaw | ErRandir: While running 2.2.20 (from the Woody installer, which at least basically worked), the machine isn't all *that* stable, esp. with disk I/O. |
| 15:56.28 | Q-FUNK | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=252426 |
| 15:56.28 | Q-FUNK | this one seems related |
| 16:02.26 | ErRandir | can you try bootx? |
| 16:02.38 | jbglaw | No MacOS, no BootX. |
| 16:06.49 | Q-FUNK | jbglaw: it's starting to look like the easiest way to do this is to install a very basic woody, then immediately dist-upgrade to sarge. |
| 16:07.09 | Q-FUNK | IIRC woody still offered those boot floppies |
| 16:07.41 | Q-FUNK | jbglaw: alternately, apple is rumoured to offer mac os 7 images for download on their ftp site. |
| 16:08.05 | jbglaw | That's basically what I did right now. Though, I dislike installint the kernel-image-$foo, just becuase these typically ask for an initrd these days. |
| 16:08.33 | jbglaw | But the Mac is already up'n'running mostly, SSHv2 access is working, though it may crash at some time :) |
| 16:08.51 | Q-FUNK | jbglaw: I'd say install it anyway, then copy the config and build your own kernel based on that minus the initrd. |
| 16:09.43 | Q-FUNK | that's what I do here, even on newworld. |
| 16:10.07 | jbglaw | 'll first install a new Perl interpreter. Some packages' scripts complained that install-info didn't work (locking problem); I seem to remember that this was a Perl bug... |
| 16:10.11 | Q-FUNK | I let the sarge installer install what it wants, then install my own kernels, then purge the sarge kernel and cramfstools. |
| 16:10.21 | jbglaw | Yeah :) |
| 16:10.38 | Q-FUNK | then reboot |
| 16:10.38 | jbglaw | I also build my own kernels, even without the make-kpkg stuff; I dislike it. |
| 16:11.04 | Q-FUNK | I use kernel package. it's much easier to manage. |
| 16:11.04 | jbglaw | I've got a script to prepare me tarballs of complete kernels (incl. config, modules et. al) |
| 16:11.48 | Q-FUNK | I've also been known to use kernel-package to cross-compile pa-risc kernels on this newworld. works like a charm. |
| 16:17.04 | ErRandir | bummer ppc list didnt like my 'install' patch |
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| 16:20.45 | jbglaw | Grrr.. strace (from Sarge) doesn't properly work with a 2.2.x kernel (probably due to the large signal handling reworks inside the kernel later on...) |
| 16:26.17 | _rene_ | then don't use 2.2 :) |
| 16:29.24 | jbglaw | natively compiling 2.[46].x will probably crash the box several times in between. But I guess I'll just give it a try... |
| 16:30.04 | _rene_ | ah. well, 2.2 is only needed for some m68k subarch yet and will afaik go away soon :) |
| 16:30.42 | jbglaw | Atari, to name it (AFAIR), but I guess the Atari port is just dieing (sp?) out... |
| 16:30.54 | simonrvn | 'dying' |
| 16:31.05 | Q-FUNK | i thought thta atari switched to 2.4 ? |
| 16:31.26 | jbglaw | Somebody remember the cause of this? I've seen it before, fixed it, but cannot remember the solution: |
| 16:31.29 | jbglaw | debian-ppc:~# apt-get install screeno |
| 16:31.32 | jbglaw | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 16:31.34 | jbglaw | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 16:31.37 | jbglaw | Sorry, screen is already the newest version. |
| 16:31.39 | jbglaw | 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 84 not upgraded. |
| 16:31.42 | jbglaw | 1 packages not fully installed or removed. |
| 16:31.44 | jbglaw | Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 0B will be used. |
| 16:31.47 | jbglaw | Setting up screen (4.0.2-4.1) ... |
| 16:31.49 | jbglaw | install-info: failed to lock dir for editing! No such file or directory |
| 16:31.52 | jbglaw | dpkg: error processing screen (--configure): |
| 16:31.54 | jbglaw | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:31.57 | jbglaw | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 16:31.59 | jbglaw | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:32.02 | jbglaw | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 16:32.04 | jbglaw | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:32.07 | jbglaw | Did they? I've not heared about that, but that doesn't mean anything... |
| 16:32.14 | jbglaw | debian-ppc:~# ls -l /usr/share/info/dir |
| 16:32.14 | jbglaw | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 12102 Jun 22 19:55 /usr/share/info/dir |
| 16:32.25 | simonrvn | um, next time use #flood or the paste bot |
| 16:33.00 | simonrvn | paste bot being present would help... |
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| 16:33.53 | Q-FUNK | heh |
| 16:34.09 | Q-FUNK | pahartik: does that place look good to you? |
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| 16:42.11 | jbglaw | Besides other things, I'm running another toy project: reading out computer ROMs. |
| 16:42.38 | jbglaw | Is it possible to dump the firmware ROM via serial line through OF? Be it byte by byte... |
| 16:44.12 | simonrvn | there's a script for it... hold on |
| 16:45.46 | simonrvn | http://simonraven.nuit.ca/src/openfirmware/grab-ow-of.pl.gz # you need to make /dev/amigamouse (?) to run it, if you don't have it |
| 16:46.29 | simonrvn | it might also crash the machine, bugger your toy dog, or set your laser printer on fire, so no warranty is implied |
| 16:47.21 | demon | looks like it's actually /dev/atarimouse |
| 16:47.22 | demon | :) |
| 16:47.33 | demon | though that's just about as non-sequitur |
| 16:48.41 | jbglaw | Ah, Perl script plus kernel module. |
| 16:49.04 | jbglaw | I think I'll learn some OF internals and Forth to get it running without a running OS kernel :) |
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| 17:22.06 | pahartik | Q-FUNK: URL did lead me to their main index document (or something) |
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| 17:38.20 | simonrvn | if you want to see some pix, http://gallery.cmaq.net/, look for nooiimarch |
| 17:41.28 | jbglaw | Ah :) Geert just answered my bug report; there was work done on non-public d-i images. These aren't publically advertized because they contain a tiny blob of non-free information (boot sector, written by Apple...) |
| 17:41.46 | jbglaw | http://people.debian.org/~luther/d-i/images/2005-06-20/powerpc/ |
| 17:44.43 | assassin | apple sux |
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| 17:47.46 | badblody | i want to buy a laptop ppc computer... can ahyone say me any web pages about debian compatiblity with actual models |
| 17:48.18 | Bor_Ed | simonraven.nuit.ca has models page which lists some lappies too |
| 17:49.44 | badblody | i see it thx |
| 17:49.52 | Bor_Ed | np |
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| 17:55.37 | assassin | now if friggin broadcom would get their shit together so I can use my Airport Extreme... |
| 17:58.29 | ioops | hi, assassin what to you find hard in running debian on ibook ? |
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| 18:00.20 | assassin | ioops: grsecurity patches |
| 18:00.42 | ioops | ok |
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| 22:02.15 | ian2 | mmm. Talkative bunch. |
| 22:02.33 | ian2 | Anybody know anything about diskless ppc? (specifically, an oldworld G3) |
| 22:03.34 | ian2 | (preferably quickly and easily, diskless in this case is just because I don't feel like spending money on a hard drive... if its more trouble than its worth I'll just shell out some cash..) |
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| 22:15.53 | jfro | hey |
| 22:17.48 | jfro | trying to get firewire working, get errors in dmesg with ieee1394 module and not coming up with any ideas |
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| 22:57.50 | jbglaw_ | G'evening! |
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| 22:58.19 | jbglaw_ | My 7300/200 successfully compiled upstream 2.6.12, but it doesn't boot correctly. |
| 22:58.49 | jbglaw_ | 2.2.20 found the partitions I actually (tried to:-) configure during installation, but 2.6.12 fails. |
| 23:00.05 | jbglaw_ | [ 28.266519] sda: [CUMANA/ADFS] sda1 [ADFS] sda1 |
| 23:00.10 | jbglaw_ | [...] |
| 23:00.21 | jbglaw_ | [ 28.410257] VFS: Cannot open root device "sda2" or unknown-block(8,2) |
| 23:00.22 | jbglaw_ | [ 28.429179] Please append a correct "root=" boot option |
| 23:00.22 | jbglaw_ | [ 28.444853] Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(8,2) |
| 23:00.25 | jbglaw_ | [ 28.469707] <0>Rebooting in 180 seconds.. |
| 23:01.03 | jbglaw_ | In 2.2.20, it found three partitions, a very small one, the root partition (sda2) and some swap... |
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| 23:04.09 | simonrvn | uh. wth is all that stuff about adfs |
| 23:04.27 | simonrvn | and again, don't paste here, use the bot or #flood |
| 23:09.34 | jbglaw_ | Seems the Arcon stuff comes into the way... |
| 23:12.03 | simonrvn | need the proper drivers for the scsi bus(ses) |
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| 23:37.46 | abbas | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 23:37.46 | abbas | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:37.47 | abbas | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1 |
| 23:38.02 | abbas | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:38.27 | simonrvn | dpkg --configure --pending. man dpkg |
| 23:38.51 | abbas | dpkg: unknown option --pending. |
| 23:39.11 | simonrvn | hein. wtf |
| 23:39.18 | simonrvn | do dpkg -l dpkg |
| 23:39.42 | simonrvn | works here |
| 23:39.47 | abbas | Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold |
| 23:39.47 | abbas | | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |
| 23:39.48 | abbas | |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) |
| 23:39.48 | abbas | ||/ Name Version Description |
| 23:39.49 | abbas | +++-==============-==============-============================================ |
| 23:39.49 | abbas | ii dpkg 1.10.28 Package maintenance system for Debian |
| 23:39.50 | abbas | abbas:/home/abbas# |
| 23:39.50 | simonrvn | dpkg --configure --pending |
| 23:40.03 | simonrvn | um, you didn't need to paste the whole thing... |
| 23:40.12 | simonrvn | sarge? |
| 23:40.18 | abbas | yes |
| 23:40.40 | abbas | etting up cron (3.0pl1-86ubuntu1) ... |
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| 23:40.44 | abbas | /etc/init.d/cron: line 8: /lib/lsb/init-functions: Böyle bir dosya ya da dizin yok |
| 23:40.44 | abbas | invoke-rc.d: initscript cron, action "start" failed. |
| 23:40.44 | abbas | dpkg: error processing cron (--configure): |
| 23:40.45 | abbas | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:40.45 | abbas | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 23:40.46 | abbas | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:40.52 | simonrvn | oh, you put a period where there shouldn't be. be careful what you copy & paste |
| 23:41.26 | simonrvn | you know, you shouldn't just blindly do it, someone could fuck your machine up |
| 23:41.27 | abbas | know |
| 23:42.17 | simonrvn | init-functions? oh that lsb shite... sec |
| 23:42.30 | simonrvn | apt-get install lsb-base |
| 23:42.37 | simonrvn | ii lsb-base 3.0-1 Linux Standard Base 2.0 init script functionality |
| 23:43.08 | abbas | ok thanks |
| 23:43.09 | simonrvn | that should fix it. oh, and file a bug, it should depend on lsb-base if it's looking for init-functions |
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