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02:16.58tintonhey, can I actually run the NDIS wrapper for a wireless card on my iBook?
02:17.41tintonI was thinking since the driver was written for win x86 it might not work. But then again, if it's a wrapper, then it might just read the driver on any platform.
02:17.50tintonHas anyone tried this?
02:18.37jaskait shouldnt work
02:18.50jaskax86 nt drivers on linux ppc sounds rather unlikely
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02:20.52tintonit "sounds" unlikely. But, are you sure?
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02:50.55xbaezsomeone has installed gnome 2.10 in ibook ?
02:59.04demonI  have it on my pismo
03:15.00tintonwait, so 2.1 doesn't run but later versions run?
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03:15.27tintonbecause 2.8.3 runs out of the box on my ibook...
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03:28.26xbaezdemon, and how work ?
03:28.51xbaezdemon, i have it and not work well
03:28.56xbaeznautilus is down
03:29.00demoner
03:29.30demonhave you rebooted? or stopped X and killed the lingering processes? gnome will have problems if you have old orbit daemons and things running
03:30.24xbaezdemon, yes ... i rebooted and all start have problems ... first with gnome-panel , some applets not work and then nautilus ....
03:31.24demonthat's... odd
03:31.36demonI'm using my pismo now, and everything's up and running
03:32.49xbaezmmh so the problem is not the packages of gnome 2.10 ... a think was that ...
03:33.25xbaezother problems is the date .... every reboot the date is wrong and is Fri Jan  1 01:06:38 UTC 1904
03:33.38demonuh
03:33.42demonyeah, set the date
03:33.57demonthings are going to break if the date is 1904
03:34.18demonbecause that's a negative date, and UNIX date handling gets way out of whack
03:35.21xbaezbut how can i fix that ... i fix the date with date -s and changed it but when i reboot the clock start wrong again ...
03:36.32demonuse 'hwclock --systohc' to sync the NVRAM clock to the system clock time
03:36.56demonif that still doesn't stick, then you need to replace the NVRAM battery, most likely
03:38.13xbaezthat have to do with the fact tha my ibook not have battery ??
03:38.43demonthat might have something to do with it
03:39.34xbaezso may this is the problem ...
03:39.58xbaezmaybe
03:40.55xbaezi send the battery to apple for replace it, but not returnme yet
03:46.18xbaezdemon, so this could be fixed when a have a battery right ?
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04:07.26demonmost likely
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05:43.10assassinhttp://www.ieee.org/organizations/history_center/pocketprotector.html
05:43.25assassin"NOTE: IEEE does not sell pocket protectors!"
05:43.27assassinDAMN!!!!!
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08:12.59mindmedicat the university we got an old mac (4400/200), which no one can put to good use,. i've never had a mac, i only know this one served some years. is it possible to install debian just like on an x86 machine on this one (network install).. or are there any cavehats?
08:14.29Bor_Ednot possible like that
08:14.51Bor_Edand if you want standalone linux install, get small scsi-2 drive for the / filesystem
08:15.36mindmedicsmall scsi-2.. it has a harddisk.. 2-3 gigabyte i think
08:15.54Bor_Edit's ide disk
08:16.09mindmedici dont want dual boot or anything, just a floppy network install
08:16.13Bor_Edoldworld bootloader doesn't work very well with ide disk on that box
08:16.18mindmedicahh, how do you know
08:16.26mindmedicsorry
08:16.51mindmedici meant how do i know if i have one.. i cannot do anything in macos
08:17.10Bor_Edit probably only has the ide disk...
08:17.36mindmedicand if i have to buy a new hd i might be better off with buying an old pentiumII
08:17.44Bor_EdI'm not too good with macos either... just managed to put bootloader there though to enable linux boot from graphical interface
08:18.07Bor_Ed'new' ? :) get 540M scsi-2 disk from ebay... those go at couple of bucks
08:18.21Bor_Edor you can use bootX to boot linux from macos too
08:18.34mindmedicbootX thanks..
08:18.44mindmedica working xserver would be enough..
08:18.46Bor_Edthat's how I've set up the box
08:19.04mindmedicthen i could use a remote x session
08:19.15Bor_EdI have the box headless but it has 2M integrated ati mach 64 gfx
08:19.57mindmedicwell, the box should use openoffice.org2, so the remote x may be the only way to go anyway :)
08:20.32Bor_Edif ya have enough ram, it'll run just fine
08:21.07mindmedichow where these colorful tv all in one macs called? g3's?
08:21.18mindmedici meant tv look alike
08:22.16mindmedicBor_Ed, thanks for the pointers.
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08:23.55Bor_Edno prob
08:24.03Bor_Edthose are imacs
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09:27.21Fanfouehi
09:31.10FanfoueI have a little problem since my last apt-get dist-upgrade
09:31.33Fanfouewith the luminosity on my screen (ibookg4)
09:31.56Fanfoueif I don't use the touchpad or the keyboard the light decrease quickly
09:32.15Fanfouetoo quickly
09:32.48FanfoueI've not found where to configure this
09:33.02Fanfouebefore I was configuring the luminosity manually
09:34.55FanfoueI'm using an IbookG4 with debian sid + gnome 2.10.1 and kernel 2.6.10
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10:24.03os2finnhi all
10:24.16os2finnanyone here runs Linux on Motorola Powerstack?
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10:57.05Bor_Edos2finn: you really have a way to get weird boxen :D
10:58.38os2finnBor_ed: :)
10:59.22os2finnWe are trying to make Qemu PREP emulation to be accurately Powerstack E-series or RISC-PC
10:59.34Bor_Edsheesh :)
10:59.45os2finnsince its most accurately documented PREP box
11:00.00Bor_Edhmm, why not trying sandpoint ? :)
11:00.05os2finnbtw I know why OS/2 wont boot under Qemu properly
11:00.14Bor_Ed'not really suprised
11:00.21Bor_Edwhat was the buggr ?
11:00.39os2finnthere are few kinds of endian switch methods avail
11:00.57os2finnone is setting a bit on PCI config register A8
11:00.59Bor_Edos/2 needs little endian ?
11:01.09os2finnother is through port 0x92
11:01.26os2finnand currently only 0x92 is on qemu
11:01.36os2finnOS/2 is LE
11:01.42Bor_Edookay, so the emulation isn't complete yet
11:01.45os2finnas well as NT PPC
11:02.33Bor_Edhey, where you get the weird boxes anyway ? you have some contacts to some company or something like that ?
11:02.52os2finnI dont have powerstack
11:02.59Q-FUNKThis homepage is permanently redirected via .htaccess:
11:02.59Q-FUNK<PROTECTED>
11:02.59Q-FUNK// 2005-06-25 q-funk
11:03.10Q-FUNKah! the joy of HTTP redirection :)
11:03.15os2finnI only have Thinkpad Powerpc
11:03.23Bor_Edright, the 820
11:03.25os2finnthat I found from Huuto.net
11:03.44os2finnthere is a powerstack for sale on ebay.nl
11:03.47Bor_EdI wouldn't mind such either... isn't that 133MHz 603e ?
11:03.59os2finnbut the price is all too high
11:04.02os2finnnear 300 eur
11:04.19Bor_Edthat's a bit too much indeed... one could get decent rs6k at that price
11:04.24os2finnoffered 100 to seller and he was offended :)
11:04.39Bor_Edhehe
11:05.16Bor_Ednothing interesting there currently... just some *books and pretty damn old powermacs
11:05.41Q-FUNKa powerbook would be nice
11:05.41os2finnQ-funk: it was some collector who had to sell all stuff he had
11:05.59os2finnso a special occasion
11:06.28os2finnand there is this one place sec....
11:06.49os2finnoh yes www.mal.fi
11:06.56os2finnthey have rs6k
11:06.57os2finns
11:07.09Q-FUNKoh? :)
11:07.11os2finnquite reasonable prices on older ones
11:07.14Bor_Eddamicon.fi has loads of alphas and suns
11:07.36os2finnI once asked about 7043-XXX and he said 110 EUR
11:07.40os2finnfully working
11:07.55Bor_Edmal doesn't have listing of the boxen they have :/
11:08.51os2finnno you have to call to mikael forslund
11:09.00Q-FUNKhorrible site design, though
11:09.06Bor_Edyea...
11:09.11os2finnyep
11:09.15Bor_Edhmm, maybe I should ask about ss10
11:09.16Q-FUNKBor_Ed: they don't have much Alpha stuff left.
11:09.25os2finnthey should pay for someone to make a web site
11:09.29Bor_EdQ-FUNK: still some duals listed
11:09.56Q-FUNKBor_Ed: ah?  I thought that ekix said they got rid of all the Alpha at Damicon
11:10.22Bor_Edat least they had some a while back when I checked the site
11:11.12Q-FUNKdamicon has a very old-fashion site but, dammit, compared to mal.fi it's so easy to find what you need.
11:11.23Bor_Edyup :)
11:12.01Bor_Ed<PROTECTED>
11:12.07Bor_Edstill have alphas listed
11:13.06Bor_Ed205 eur for 433MHz board
11:13.10Q-FUNKhmm... they are located right besides the suurenmoinen ;)
11:13.22Bor_Edeh ?
11:13.26Q-FUNK(inside joke)
11:13.41Bor_Edookay
11:14.21Q-FUNKme & the wife have this joke about suurenmoiset venäläiset whenever talking about megababes
11:14.38Bor_Edhmmm :)
11:15.53Q-FUNKthere is one in particular whose election campain I was suppporting last fall, when I decided not to run as a candidate.  every time the wife & I have an argument, she always ends up saying that I might as well go and fsck THE suurenmoinen.
11:16.26Q-FUNKshe lives in Hertoniemi.
11:16.35Q-FUNKright by that mal.fi place.
11:16.39Bor_Edriiight
11:16.50Bor_Edwell then :)
11:17.15Q-FUNKthen... I know where to go when I wanna check out some serious hardware. ;)
11:17.27os2finnhttp://www.corestore.org/work.htm
11:17.29os2finn:)
11:17.42os2finnthere is some serious hardware
11:18.03Bor_Edhey, either of you need sgi octane2 ? friend's got one for sale since he moved to mockosX and apple gear
11:18.21os2finnnope
11:18.45os2finnthat powerstack really is something
11:19.01Bor_Edhehe
11:19.05Q-FUNKfiarlight!
11:19.14os2finneven has ignitio key to start it :)
11:19.47Bor_EdI had one on my rs6k's too
11:21.23simonrvnneat stuff
11:22.06os2finnyep
11:22.31Bor_Edtoo bad buggr rs6k's were mca based and I got tired of playing with aix pretty soon
11:22.55Q-FUNKso what would be a good rs6k laptop?
11:23.12simonrvni've seen the guts of an onyx, i think it was an onyx anyway, large case, looks very similar to that, had enormous capacity for drives, and 2 (?) large mobo-like boards, one had the cpu modules, and some others for the drive busses
11:23.26simonrvnwas on wheels...
11:24.16os2finnq-funk: http://www.tecnopolis.ca/aixtp/
11:27.25simonrvnaix stinkpad, with ppc cpu :). wonder what kind (keeps reading)
11:31.25Bor_Ed603e or 604
11:31.59simonrvnyeh, a bit pokey with the 603e, but still quite usable
11:32.19Bor_Ed603e/166 :)
11:32.26simonrvnthe l2 cache helps
11:32.47Bor_Edhttp://www.tecnopolis.ca/aixtp/Brochure/4249-860.pdf has the infos...
11:33.12Bor_Ed256k l2.... could be more too
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11:33.37os2finnyou see these laptops on e-bay sometimes
11:33.43os2finnseen 3 this year
11:33.46os2finn850 ^
11:34.18Bor_Edhmm, they prolly are more expensive than g3 ibooks though
11:34.56os2finnhmmm last one went at 80USD
11:35.07os2finnno ac adapter
11:35.14os2finnsold as is
11:35.17os2finnbut it booted
11:36.14simonrvnneat. too bad no adapter though :/
11:36.28os2finnadapter from all older thinkpads fit
11:36.28simonrvnprobably find one elsewhere
11:36.32simonrvnoh ok
11:36.34os2finnmine is from 765d
11:36.46os2finnif i remember correctly
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11:37.10Bor_Edyea, stinkpad components are pretty well compatible
11:37.47Bor_Edlike freescale dualcore e600 chip ? :D
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11:38.01os2finnso its from 700
11:38.17simonrvnas in, they should mak some new ones
11:38.21simonrvnmake*
11:38.31Bor_Edyup
11:38.45Bor_Ed7447a and 7448 are decent chips even to lappie use
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11:39.36os2finnsimonrv: maybe we should post this discussion to austin.ibm.com?? :)
11:39.51klaasHello there
11:40.05os2finnbut if the price is what it was back then...
11:40.13os2finn820 for 6775USD
11:40.21os2finn860 12945USD
11:40.24os2finnthen no
11:41.21os2finnbut someone surely needed my laptop in Finland if he paid that price
11:41.38klaasSorry, I hate to intrude, but I'm wondering if anybody can help me with a little problem I have.
11:42.09os2finnklaas: tell the prob?
11:43.05klaasI recently bought a mac-mini, and it's working fine ;-). However I'd like to use it as a firewall and bought an usb-ethernet card.
11:43.31klaasThe usb-device is not recognized.
11:44.21klaasFrom what i found on the net (google) the usbnet driver should support the asix chip it uses, but... no results so far.
11:47.00simonrvnos2finn: not now, but later, yeh. i'm off to ottawa in about 1:45. www.solidarityacrossborders.org
11:50.14simonrvnklaas: i'd build all the usb networking drivers, and then try each, depending on lspci output
11:51.40simonrvnlater folks
11:52.01klaassimonrvn: Thanks, later.
11:55.34klaasos3finn: Do you have any suggestions? I'm using the stock 2.6.8-powerpc kernel, loaded all modules in drivers/usb/net but to no avail.
11:56.17os2finnklaas: I am afraid not. I am not very familiar with Mac linux sorry :(
11:56.20klaasos2finn, sorry typo ;-)
11:56.42klaasos2finn: That's okay. Thanks anyway.
11:58.37Q-FUNKos2finn: say, how does someone convert an OS into a Finn?
11:59.21os2finnq-funk: like html2pdf :)
11:59.35os2finnwith proper tools
12:00.53Q-FUNKos2finn: how do we use your [chuckles] ... tool?
12:01.54Bor_Edsomehow I'd guess the nick comes from ibm made operating sys :o
12:03.08Q-FUNKyeah, but he has a compliant syntax for a filter name.
12:03.18Bor_Edyea :)
12:04.07os2finnor maybe its a project underway?
12:04.30os2finncomman line: os2finn debian-ppc?
12:04.33os2finnand voila
12:04.35Bor_Eddidn't mr torvalds do such some years back ? :)
12:04.37Q-FUNKfurriner2finn
12:05.55Bor_Edhttp://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/overview.jsp?nodeId=0162468rH3bTdG7249 grmbl, still no reference boards :/
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15:14.55badblodydoes anyone know where i can download debian ppc iso files?
15:15.13Bor_Edany debian mirror
15:16.15badblodyi search in rediris mirror and only i386 and amd64 images are availabel
15:16.19badblodyavailable
15:19.44ErRandirsome mirrors don't mirror everything... i'd call that "a broken mirror" :)
15:26.24os2finnanyone running linux on Motorola Powerstack?
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20:22.08poolioHello, I'm having a problem with a Powerbook G3 Pismo and Xorg. When I start X, I just get black and white  lines. If I try to ctrl+alt+bksp it draws some blue and black lines and I can't exit it and I have to do a cold restart. Any ideas?
20:33.56jaoHmm. Isn't the iBook G4 touchpad a synaptics one?
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21:06.05tintonWhat java should I install to get the Browser Plugin?
21:06.29tintonLast time I looked ( a while back ) I couldn't get any java plugin for linux-ppc.
21:06.53Curaltonforget java == xplattform, latest "java" is something 1.3ish by blackdown
21:07.29tintonhmm. Why do you put the word "java"in quotes?
21:07.41tintonand what do you mean with java == xplattform?
21:07.55Curaltoncrossplatform
21:08.03_rene_use ibm java
21:08.06Curaltonx ~= cross :)
21:08.10tintonI had IBM java running on my old wallstreet G3, and it was at 1.4.something.
21:08.15tintonright, my bad.
21:08.19Curaltonoh
21:08.25tintononly, they didn't have the plugin support.
21:08.42tintonsee? _rene_ knows what I'm talking about.
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21:08.52tintonBut is it a .deb package?
21:09.06_rene_no
21:09.14_rene_but you can use make-jpkg to make one
21:09.54tintonwhere do I download it from? www.ibm.com?
21:11.28_rene_somewhere from ibm, yes
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21:24.27tintonbut what is iSeries and pSeries?
21:24.35tintonI am running an iBook.
21:26.09_rene_you can run it there, too
21:26.22_rene_you just need to export a extra environment variable
21:26.29_rene_export JITC_PROCESSOR_TYPE=6
21:26.30Curaltonix86 series, powerSeries
21:26.35_rene_:)
21:27.48tintonso I would need the powerSeries?
21:27.59Curaltonyes
21:28.04Curaltonand do tell if it works :)
21:28.45tintonhuh?
21:28.51tintonYou never tried it?
21:28.56tintonI have it runnign on my G3...
21:29.08tintonI need to install it on my new G4 now.
21:30.33Curaltonnaa, no use for java
21:33.10tintonOh, my, I need it.
21:33.21tintonMy bank uses a java plugin for login accounts...
21:33.28tintonI constantlyu use java apps../
21:37.24Curaltonick
21:37.55Curalton"MOL is a giant flash player for linux on"
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21:41.56tintonGReat! That's just what I needed.
21:45.17Curaltonerrrr
21:45.27Curaltonthats mac on linux, i.e. run a complete macos
21:50.06pahartikCuralton: "MOL" is just like "MacOS classic environment" for "MacOS X"
21:54.38Curaltonpahartik: err, with a few more hurldes to it, like "Tiger doesnt run"
21:55.50pahartikCuralton: oh yes, i forgot...
21:56.11Curaltonlinux for linux on ppc*" btw
21:56.30Curaltons/^linux/".../
21:56.36_rene_that's why you run panther still if you use mol at least sometimes ;-)
21:57.34pahartikCuralton: maybe wintel Linux will have "MOL" that supports wintel "MacOS X"...
21:57.42demonheh
21:57.46Curaltonunlikely
21:57.49demonthat'll probably be more along the lines of VMware
21:57.55CuraltonMOL is based on the "clean" ppc arch
21:58.07Curaltonx86 is too hackish and yes, requires big hacks like vmware
21:58.22demonthe only was you could do something similar is with Vanderpool-based intel CPUs
21:58.28demonor AMD Pacifica
21:59.23Curaltonit's said only the existance of Xen made them implement that stuff
21:59.39demonheh... interesting
21:59.52Curalton(source linuxtag murmurs)
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