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| 03:18.01 | mrwick | well.. I copied the .config from 2.6.11 to 2.6.12.1, and it worked! |
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| 03:56.00 | opti | Hi all. I have a debian base system on my G3, and I would like to boot it, can I use a rescue boot foppy to get it started? |
| 04:09.22 | demon | er... I guess I'm not sure what you mean... you mean you used MacOS to download the files for installing the base system, and you need to launch the installer? also, what kind of G3? blue&white? beige? |
| 04:15.48 | opti | demo: what I did was used boot floppies, and then network, to intsall |
| 04:16.40 | opti | beige |
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| 04:17.32 | AlwaysModest | opti: i used bootx for my beige debian but i also had to use os 9 |
| 04:17.39 | opti | what I'm hoping to do is install a tiny mac os, from a book disk like netboot, and then use a different boot manage |
| 04:18.00 | modestbryan | i have a question about changing my theme because really... i can't figure out how to do it with the ones i downloaded |
| 04:18.20 | opti | I was have downloaded the network boot disk, but it doesn't boot, I was going to use it as my mac os, So i could then use Xboot |
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| 07:06.39 | kickflip | hi |
| 07:06.58 | kickflip | :) |
| 07:12.24 | kickflip | i have a perfoma 6320cd and i download sarge for ppc, form here i dont now what to do :S can you all help me please?? |
| 07:18.20 | kickflip | please |
| 07:29.18 | kickflip | bye |
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| 07:59.41 | opti | hi all. what is a debian unaltered boot disk? |
| 08:00.09 | opti | I mean a HFS unaltered boot disk |
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| 09:23.37 | Q-FUNK | re |
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| 10:35.01 | Barelion | hi |
| 10:35.51 | Barelion | i have a little problem with Yellowdoglinux and my Radeon 9200 |
| 10:36.43 | Barelion | does someone know if there is a driver for it ? or a kind of workaround ? |
| 10:36.59 | Bor_Ed | radeon9200 is supported by kernels radeon driver |
| 10:38.12 | Barelion | the problem is that i can `t change the resolution - just vga (640 x 480) |
| 10:38.51 | Barelion | i tried to install the ati driver , but it quit after detecting ppc.. |
| 10:38.53 | Bor_Ed | no idea how ydl tools to conf X and console framebuffer works... though you could try fbset 1024x768-16 on console |
| 10:42.46 | Barelion | ah ok. thanks- do i have to restart the service to change the resolution ? |
| 10:43.07 | Bor_Ed | you need to relogin to X to get the new resolution to use at least in debian |
| 10:44.51 | Barelion | whichhow do i do that ? |
| 10:45.01 | Barelion | ups ( without the which ) |
| 10:45.46 | Bor_Ed | edit the X configuration file and restart X |
| 10:46.49 | Barelion | sorry for such shitty questions - but this night i had my first contact ( and success) with installing linux on my mac..so , a bit more than a newbie.. |
| 10:47.00 | _rene_ | and as we don't know ydl, why don't you ask on a ydl chennel which may be of more help for ydl-specific problems? |
| 10:47.10 | Barelion | ah ok . |
| 10:47.51 | Barelion | so , with debian and the radeon there is no prob ? is there a big difference to ydl ? |
| 10:48.05 | _rene_ | I don't know. I never used YDL |
| 10:48.11 | Bor_Ed | the kernel is basically the same as well as X server so there shouldn't be probs |
| 10:48.14 | _rene_ | that's the whole point of my message |
| 10:48.41 | Bor_Ed | I haven't used ydl either but as I said, the kernel and X should be pretty close to the same, conf tools are what makes the diff |
| 11:01.12 | Barelion | ok. thanks . so far. is installing debian as easy (anaconda) as ydl ? |
| 11:01.31 | Bor_Ed | the new debian installer is pretty decent |
| 11:04.13 | Barelion | ok - i want to download it with torrent. the dvd version |
| 11:04.25 | Barelion | do you know if i have to download both binaries ? |
| 11:04.30 | Bor_Ed | both ? |
| 11:04.46 | Bor_Ed | don't even know it debian is available on torrent system |
| 11:04.53 | Barelion | yep - there are 2 -> http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/powerpc/bt-dvd/ |
| 11:05.31 | Bor_Ed | I'd guess the 2 dvd ver is full... though I'd do network install |
| 11:07.28 | Barelion | i have a 1mbit connection - how long will it last approx. ? |
| 11:09.55 | _rene_ | Barelion: depends on how much you want to install |
| 11:10.01 | Barelion | ah - stupid question - but nevermind- thanks for all till now- maybe back in some days - same club :-) |
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| 12:35.40 | Anthro | I'm trying to download the IBM JDK, and I wanted to check which one I need. Is the iSeries/pSeries version the one I need for my G4? |
| 12:35.51 | Bor_Ed | pseries 32 bitter |
| 12:36.44 | Anthro | Excellent, thanks. |
| 12:36.50 | Bor_Ed | np |
| 12:39.05 | Anthro | Do I want the RPM or the .tgz for use by java-package? |
| 12:39.23 | Bor_Ed | either way will do... though you need to alien the rpm if you use that |
| 12:40.23 | Anthro | I'd hav to alien it for make-jpkg to work on it? |
| 12:41.05 | Bor_Ed | umm nope, but you can't install .rpm on debian without alienising it to .deb |
| 12:42.43 | Anthro | ...true, but make-jpkg will produce a .deb, regardless, won't it? |
| 12:42.58 | Bor_Ed | never used such app |
| 12:43.09 | Bor_Ed | I'd guess it creates .jars |
| 12:43.09 | Anthro | Ah. |
| 12:43.40 | Anthro | Nope, it's a tool for creating a .deb for a JDK/JRE based on a non-deb download. |
| 12:43.55 | Anthro | apt-cache show java-package |
| 12:43.59 | Bor_Ed | well then it probably does that |
| 12:44.08 | Anthro | I've used it on x86, just not on PPC. |
| 12:44.17 | Bor_Ed | should work like in x86 |
| 12:46.32 | Anthro | Well, it's basically a pile of hacks to deal with the various known JDK/JRE distributions. It's hard to say exactly what it expects as input unless you've either A) done it before with that particular package, or B) looked at the source (which is moderately simple, but I was hoping someone here had already done A). |
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| 12:48.32 | Bor_Ed | no biggie then to get it running ? |
| 12:49.02 | Anthro | Oh, no, not at all. And it seems to prefer the .tgz in this case. At least, it doesn't seem to like the RPM. |
| 12:49.44 | Bor_Ed | just alien the rpm to deb and install |
| 12:53.22 | Anthro | Mm, I do that only as a last resort. I don't like polluting my system with RPMs. You just can't trust them. At least make-jpkg makes sure everything is in place and known to the system and such. |
| 12:54.23 | Anthro | Anyway, it seems to be working well with the .tgz |
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| 13:49.34 | Bor_Ed | hmm, I have almost ready nt 4.0 workstation install on qemu... and seems that it's even decent speed |
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| 14:45.58 | jc-denton | does anybody here run uml on ppc? |
| 14:46.06 | jc-denton | is it working with 2.6.12? |
| 14:49.42 | jc-denton | make menuconfig ARCH=um does not work.. |
| 14:50.32 | jbglaw_ | jc-denton: Where/how does it break? |
| 14:51.24 | jc-denton | [ linapple /usr/src/linux-2.6.12 > ls |
| 14:51.24 | jc-denton | arch crypto fs ipc MAINTAINERS net scripts usr |
| 14:51.27 | jc-denton | COPYING Documentation include kernel Makefile README security |
| 14:51.30 | jc-denton | CREDITS drivers init lib mm REPORTING-BUGS sound |
| 14:51.32 | jc-denton | [ linapple /usr/src/linux-2.6.12 > make menuconfig ARCH=um |
| 14:51.35 | jc-denton | scripts/kconfig/mconf arch/um/Kconfig |
| 14:51.37 | jc-denton | arch/um/Kconfig:71: can't open file "arch/um/Kconfig_arch" |
| 14:51.40 | jc-denton | make[1]: *** [menuconfig] Error 1 |
| 14:51.42 | jc-denton | make: *** [menuconfig] Error 2 |
| 14:51.45 | jc-denton | [ linapple /usr/src/linux-2.6.12 > file arch/um/Kconfig_arch |
| 14:51.47 | jc-denton | arch/um/Kconfig_arch: broken symbolic link to `Kconfig_ppc' |
| 14:52.11 | jc-denton | same with 2.6.11.7 |
| 14:52.31 | jc-denton | is it possible that it just works with 2.4? |
| 14:52.39 | Q-FUNK | jc-denton: this is bordering on flooding. go easy, dude! |
| 14:52.47 | jc-denton | well |
| 14:53.10 | jc-denton | there is not much traffic atm, but if u wish i use a web pasteboard next time |
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| 15:32.13 | MiddleSketch | Is it possible to run Tiger OSX from within Debian..? |
| 15:32.30 | Bor_Ed | nope |
| 15:33.12 | MiddleSketch | grr. |
| 15:33.24 | jc-denton | is it possible to run linux inside debian? :P |
| 15:33.48 | MiddleSketch | ....well i mean, is mol going to be upgraded any time soon, or are there any alternatives? |
| 15:34.17 | MiddleSketch | ...i saw there's like an XPOST program for older powerbooks, but i'm still kind of screwed |
| 15:34.39 | MiddleSketch | meh |
| 15:37.45 | _rene_ | use panther :-P |
| 15:38.01 | _rene_ | and somewhen mol hopefully will support tiger.... |
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| 15:38.34 | MiddleSketch | ..hmm |
| 15:38.40 | _rene_ | another example where versionitis is bad :-PP |
| 15:39.09 | MiddleSketch | i already have tiger setup as a dual boot, is it possible to reinstall panther overtop of tiger without wiping the entire hard drive? |
| 15:39.17 | MiddleSketch | i don't want to have to reinstall debian |
| 15:39.42 | _rene_ | just wipe your mac os x partition |
| 15:39.44 | _rene_ | no problem |
| 15:39.44 | MiddleSketch | ....i heard a rumor that the apple installer isn't very friendly with other hard drive partitions.. |
| 15:39.56 | _rene_ | MiddleSketch: it just won't see them |
| 15:40.12 | MiddleSketch | ok.. |
| 15:40.18 | MiddleSketch | thanks |
| 15:40.30 | _rene_ | MiddleSketch: it will overwrite some bootstrap stuff, though, so after it you'll to use a rescue system and run ybin again to be able to boot Linux |
| 15:41.09 | MiddleSketch | hmm.. rescue system? |
| 15:41.34 | _rene_ | your installer cd. knoopix for ppc, JudasLinux LiveCD, whatever |
| 15:42.00 | MiddleSketch | k, thanks |
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| 15:46.03 | kickflip | hi |
| 15:50.16 | demon | actually, if you know the partition number that your bootstrap partition has, you can just do 'boot hd:NN,\ofboot.b' and it'll boot correctly |
| 15:51.17 | _rene_ | sure. but you need to run ybin after it anyway |
| 15:51.48 | _rene_ | then you can save yourself from looking after the no, just booting, doing a chroot and running ybin :) |
| 15:52.06 | demon | right |
| 15:52.13 | demon | but in an emergency, it can be handy |
| 15:52.53 | demon | and you don't need to get another ISO and burn a CD |
| 15:53.33 | kickflip | hi pleople, so i must read the howto for me to get debian in my ppc?? |
| 15:53.56 | demon | it's recommended |
| 15:54.20 | _rene_ | demon: you always get one with yourself. as you take a knoppix with your i386 laptop you take a knoppix or JudasLinux' live cd with you :) |
| 15:56.16 | Q-FUNK | or an ubuntu live CD :) |
| 15:56.41 | _rene_ | Q-FUNK: this *is* the JudasLinux Live CD I mentioned :) |
| 15:56.59 | Q-FUNK | oh |
| 15:57.37 | kickflip | ok, but i dont wat anie more macos i just wat debian in it, i put the cd-debian-sarge net install but nothing hapend, i pess "c" but nothing so what to do :S |
| 15:57.48 | kickflip | want |
| 15:58.06 | demon | kickflip: er... what kind of mac have you got? that makes a big difference |
| 15:58.11 | _rene_ | read the docs. c should work |
| 15:58.17 | _rene_ | and you didn't even tell what mac you have |
| 15:58.26 | _rene_ | c only works on NewWorld machines... |
| 16:00.18 | kickflip | ok demon its a perfoma6320cd |
| 16:00.43 | kickflip | press |
| 16:01.46 | demon | ... oldworld |
| 16:01.58 | demon | yeah, it's going to be a bit more involved to get linux on it |
| 16:02.53 | kickflip | :S |
| 16:03.07 | kickflip | ok so were to start?? |
| 16:03.32 | _rene_ | reading the docs |
| 16:03.35 | _rene_ | the install manual |
| 16:03.46 | kickflip | ok |
| 16:03.48 | demon | you may need to keep at least a small MacOS partition on there to run BootX from, i don't know how well quik likes those machines |
| 16:03.57 | demon | but yeah, I would suggest you really need to read the docs |
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| 16:04.11 | elv_cost | hi |
| 16:04.14 | kickflip | ok |
| 16:04.15 | jbglaw_ | That's on OldWorld Mac, too? |
| 16:04.20 | kickflip | men thanks |
| 16:04.46 | jbglaw_ | Reading the docs then doesn't help a lot, because they're misleading wrt installation/booting :) |
| 16:05.00 | demon | misleading how? |
| 16:05.16 | demon | that's what I've used as a reference, and I've installed debian on newworld, oldworld and nubus systems |
| 16:05.55 | jbglaw_ | The official sarge installer doesn't work standalone on them. Either you need to boot off MacOS+BootX, or use the Woody installer initially, or use a privately hacked Sarge installer (the floppy bootloader has non-freeness issues). |
| 16:05.58 | jc-denton | so does anybody here know stuff about uml on ppc or run it on ppc? |
| 16:06.23 | jbglaw_ | jc-denton: Looking at sources, I'd get the impression that it needs some hacking. |
| 16:06.29 | demon | I didn't know UML had been ported to PPC |
| 16:06.38 | jc-denton | lol |
| 16:06.43 | jbglaw_ | jc-denton: If you require a solution that works out of the box, forget it :) |
| 16:06.57 | jc-denton | hrm |
| 16:07.06 | jc-denton | then i have to use it on my intel laptop |
| 16:08.57 | kickflip | im debian user on i386 and i sorry if some one get heart whit this but woody is stell the debian _stable_ |
| 16:09.36 | jbglaw_ | kickflip: sarge is stable, woody is oldstable now. |
| 16:10.02 | kickflip | jbglaw_, yes men i now! but let me explane |
| 16:11.01 | jbglaw_ | demon: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=315393 contains a helpful link |
| 16:12.47 | jc-denton | jbglaw_: what i dont get is that i thought uml is used for kernel development |
| 16:12.54 | jc-denton | so how can u devel w/o uml? |
| 16:13.34 | jbglaw_ | jc-denton: By testing your changes natively on real hardware. If you did it wrong, the machine will crash or corrupt your data. |
| 16:14.01 | kickflip | : for some reason sarge-stable stell have some problems...i have a acer laptop travelmate 2300 so wen i tray to install sarge it just geve me a kernel panic wen it's tray to start so i have to go back to woody and then migrate! |
| 16:14.37 | jbglaw_ | kickflip: Did you file a bug report? Did you help to fix the cause of that kernel panic? |
| 16:15.16 | jc-denton | lol |
| 16:15.24 | jc-denton | i heard that linus uses ppc64 |
| 16:15.50 | jbglaw_ | He does. But that's not a problem. |
| 16:18.43 | jc-denton | ? |
| 16:18.49 | jc-denton | rebooting everytime? |
| 16:18.59 | jbglaw_ | If he does something wrong: yes. |
| 16:19.45 | jbglaw_ | ...or just use dedicated hardware for testing. |
| 16:20.07 | jc-denton | well if ur sooo leet as linus u probably dont do stuff wrong :P |
| 16:20.22 | jc-denton | so the only option i had under ppc would be qemu? |
| 16:20.57 | jbglaw_ | jc-denton: You'd fix uml for ppc, use qemu or just use dedicated hardware for testing. |
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| 16:35.42 | kickflip | jbglaw_, men come on! dont thy to be hust lake that i now you now that some times woody stell help us. |
| 16:36.09 | simonrvn | wha |
| 16:36.52 | kickflip | that its all, i love debian. |
| 16:38.16 | kickflip | and yes i make a bug report but i dont help to fixit :s i think that the ploblem is in the module of the sound intel |
| 16:39.01 | simonrvn | intel? you sure you're in the right channel? |
| 16:41.50 | demon | I think he's referrring to a kernel oops on an acer laptop |
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| 16:49.46 | kickflip | demon, sorry its not that |
| 16:52.53 | kickflip | bye to all i gess i dont have so much nolege like you all nace chat :) |
| 16:54.46 | simonrvn | o_O. what's knowledge have to do with anything? we share it, others get more, others share theirs, we get more. it's like a virus, and doesn't harm the host ;) |
| 17:00.53 | demon | heh |
| 17:01.15 | demon | I think he wanted us to handhold him through iit |
| 17:01.53 | simonrvn | i think so too |
| 17:06.33 | demon | there's something to be said for acquiring knowledge through others, but there's also something to be said for learning on your own |
| 17:07.20 | simonrvn | oh yes, for sure. |
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| 19:37.59 | domi | hi |
| 19:38.26 | domi | how can i run a emac g4 with radeon9200 in dual screen (xinerama)? |
| 19:39.20 | domi | in x |
| 19:40.47 | simonrvn | dunno if it's possible. it might be however |
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| 19:42.31 | domi | i think a need a hack |
| 19:42.37 | domi | firmware or x |
| 19:52.27 | domi | anyone with emac radeon 9200 a working xinerama? |
| 19:58.09 | domi | ore anyone with a radeon9200 and xineramaon a apple? |
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| 21:29.52 | domi | hi |
| 21:30.03 | domi | my dual display with my emac works now :) |
| 21:30.20 | Q-FUNK | good |
| 21:30.23 | domi | but i get error when i set the modeline in section monitor |
| 21:30.36 | domi | error = colordepth probs |
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| 21:31.48 | domi | i must set for the internal 17" crt from the emac this Modeline "1280x960" 122.25 1280 1323 1424 1696 960 961 964 1002 +hsync +vsync -csync |
| 21:31.59 | domi | with this i get on both monitor color problems |
| 21:32.18 | domi | without this the 17"crt from the emac is black |
| 21:33.07 | simonrvn | interesting. would you like to put that up somewhere? or i can, on my blog, with credits to you |
| 21:34.06 | domi | do what u want |
| 21:34.08 | domi | :) |
| 21:34.14 | domi | its works currently not |
| 21:34.22 | domi | color problems but only in xinerama |
| 21:35.32 | domi | how to set this modeline correct for xinerama? |
| 21:38.30 | simonrvn | i don't know |
| 21:39.10 | domi | hm..... its not the modline problem |
| 21:39.21 | domi | when i set xinerama then the colors are ""wrong"" |
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