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| 04:29.43 | grammaton | howdy all |
| 04:32.45 | grammaton | I just picked up a mac power tower from a garage sale for a screamin lo price. But when we boot up without any bios screen etc... it goes immediately to a grey background with a small say 50x50 icon of a floppy disk with a blinking question mark. Does anyone know what the problem might be? How Can we wipe this disc? No Live Bootable Distros have worked |
| 04:33.58 | grammaton | Any advice or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. |
| 04:37.58 | p8m | Did you hold down 'c'? :) |
| 04:39.02 | grammaton | yes we tried that but no different response. |
| 04:39.59 | grammaton | what i find odd is that there is no bios or initialization screen. Is this normal? |
| 04:40.28 | p8m | Have you ever worked with macs before? Yes that's normal. |
| 04:40.39 | p8m | Can you get to openfirmware? |
| 04:43.19 | p8m | You can try by pressing Command-Option-OF at startup. |
| 04:45.26 | grammaton | ok well give it a whirl ( we are not too familiar with mac really ) |
| 04:46.35 | grammaton | when you say OF you mean the O and the F key at the same time as COMMAND AND OPTION? |
| 04:46.42 | p8m | yes |
| 04:47.22 | grammaton | hmmm not responding any differently |
| 04:47.57 | p8m | What kind of mac is it? |
| 04:48.12 | grammaton | power tower pro 225 |
| 04:50.32 | grammaton | now when we try the command option and OF after power up no response but when we hold them down from power up, we get no visual on the monitor |
| 04:55.13 | p8m | I believe that is an old world mac and can't be directly booted. |
| 04:55.53 | grammaton | ah does that mean this must be booted with disc ( that would explain the disc icon lol ) |
| 04:56.14 | p8m | The reason you don't get visual is because that older version of OF doesn't default to output the screen. |
| 04:57.37 | grammaton | ok i see and to access that well need the boot disc. |
| 04:58.44 | grammaton | darn ok well to the search engines thanks man i appreciate it alot |
| 04:59.06 | grammaton | at least now we have a plan of attack lol |
| 05:00.26 | p8m | no problem |
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| 05:46.07 | Neoalex | can someone help me with the instalation |
| 05:46.20 | Neoalex | I get an error when trying to install base system |
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| 05:57.15 | mrwick | Neoalex: I suggest a little light RTFM, and then a more coherent question when you return |
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| 06:01.45 | Neoalex | where can I get iso images for Woody PPC |
| 06:02.02 | mrwick | Neoalex : start at Debian.org. . . |
| 06:02.18 | Neoalex | If I'm asking that means I looked |
| 06:02.33 | mrwick | sorry.. usually it doesn't |
| 06:02.35 | Neoalex | don't treat me like an idiot... please |
| 06:03.01 | Neoalex | yeah well I didn't find the iso's there anymore |
| 06:03.06 | mrwick | where? |
| 06:03.19 | Neoalex | http://www.debian.org/CD/ |
| 06:03.32 | Neoalex | for woody at least |
| 06:03.45 | Neoalex | actually... even better can you help me with the network install |
| 06:03.59 | mrwick | it appears you have an active network ... use netinstall |
| 06:04.06 | Neoalex | because for some reason it gives me an error on Install base system |
| 06:04.21 | Neoalex | it can't find it... it looks for it on /instmnt |
| 06:04.56 | Neoalex | instead of debian.org |
| 06:05.02 | mrwick | did you look here at all? : |
| 06:05.04 | mrwick | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/powerpc/iso-cd/ |
| 06:05.14 | Neoalex | that's sarge |
| 06:05.17 | Neoalex | I need woody |
| 06:05.38 | Neoalex | sarge doesn't work on the piece of crap mac I'm trying to put it on |
| 06:05.46 | Neoalex | I couldn't boot it |
| 06:06.00 | mrwick | so, woody is what potato used to be.. but what is sarge now? |
| 06:06.18 | Neoalex | satge is the latest... its' debian 3.1 |
| 06:06.21 | Neoalex | woody is 3/0 |
| 06:06.27 | Neoalex | potato is 2.2 |
| 06:07.10 | mrwick | so.. which netinstall do you have.. woody ?? |
| 06:07.49 | mrwick | latest? |
| 06:08.21 | Neoalex | woody |
| 06:08.30 | Neoalex | latest would not boot |
| 06:09.27 | Neoalex | can i mount a http or a ftp address in /instmnt? |
| 06:09.59 | mrwick | to little information to answer that question. . . |
| 06:10.33 | mrwick | I have no idea what you are installing on |
| 06:10.41 | mrwick | for all I know it's a wristwatch |
| 06:10.58 | Neoalex | a Power Mac 7300/200 |
| 06:11.19 | Neoalex | :))... wouldn't that be cool a wristatch with debain..lol |
| 06:12.05 | mrwick | it's happened.. if netbsd can do it. . etc.. |
| 06:12.35 | Neoalex | installing the kernel and drivers worked off the debian site |
| 06:12.55 | Neoalex | the installer asked me where should it look for it |
| 06:13.18 | Neoalex | but now it just gives me the option of giving it a path inside /insmnt |
| 06:13.29 | mrwick | hmm.. you may try an older kernel than 2.6.8.. as I don't recall seeing an option for that paricular arch in the xconfig. . |
| 06:13.45 | mrwick | perhaps it can't mount your drive? |
| 06:14.17 | Neoalex | well I don't have a debian CD... cause that would solve my problems |
| 06:14.36 | Neoalex | so that's why I'm trying to install directly from the website |
| 06:14.45 | Neoalex | it mounted everything... I checked |
| 06:15.01 | Neoalex | but it won't find anything anywhere except online |
| 06:15.28 | mrwick | are you able to mount.. say.. /dev/hda ? |
| 06:15.37 | mrwick | 'f' not.. then what's it say? |
| 06:16.04 | Neoalex | I'm abel to mount /dev/cdrom /dev/fd0 |
| 06:16.15 | Neoalex | and /dev/sda4 |
| 06:16.24 | Neoalex | that's all it has |
| 06:16.51 | mrwick | there must be an fdisk way to see what you mean by /dev/sda4. . is that root? |
| 06:16.51 | Neoalex | but there is no debian cd in the drive |
| 06:17.11 | Neoalex | yes it is I just partitioned it |
| 06:19.30 | mrwick | yeah.. I remember having to install on one of those once.. but the debian at the time was pre-osx, so I used BootX. . and was made for that kind of thing |
| 06:20.24 | mrwick | what have you found about older versions of debian install [floppies[ |
| 06:20.37 | Neoalex | I didn't have MacOS on it |
| 06:21.24 | Neoalex | I found them wrote them, and started installing... nothing else really |
| 06:23.32 | mrwick | Neoalex : don't give up.. you may need to visit this channel and the mailing list many times. . but I am not able to help.. as your questions are for those that are better informed than I am |
| 06:23.45 | mrwick | My apologies.. but I'll keep looking for now.. . |
| 06:26.15 | Neoalex | ok... no problem |
| 06:26.31 | Neoalex | thanks anyway |
| 06:29.22 | mrwick | Neoalex : if you have web space, it's a good idea to put some files up there that help to figure out waht you're talking aobut.. . |
| 06:29.45 | mrwick | like the output of fdisk -p [prints partitions, right?] or /proc/* |
| 06:30.18 | mrwick | those oldworld macs are great once you get debian working on 'em |
| 06:43.19 | Neoalex | I know... and I'm not the kind of guy that gives up easyly |
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| 07:10.31 | Neoalex | YEAAAH... it worked... I just restarted the install system |
| 07:10.46 | Neoalex | now it's installing the base system from the debian website as well |
| 07:22.00 | Neoalex | and it works too... finished installing it |
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| 07:26.41 | Neoalex | damn it... how do I change my keymap back? |
| 07:27.21 | Q-FUNK | *back* ? |
| 07:27.41 | Neoalex | with what... keyboard doesn't work |
| 07:28.26 | Q-FUNK | dpkg-reconfigure console-tools |
| 07:29.21 | Neoalex | how... no keyboard? |
| 07:29.28 | Neoalex | how do I write it? |
| 07:30.18 | Q-FUNK | seems you would benefit from reading the installation instructions instead of randomly restarting things. |
| 07:30.38 | Q-FUNK | alternately, go back a few installation steps and set it up from there. |
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| 11:13.30 | Bor_Ed | has ppc build of mplayer moved somewhere ? the old source doesn't seem to be valid |
| 11:15.47 | mort | Bor_Ed: deb http://honk.physik.uni-konstanz.de/~agx/linux-ppc/debian/ mplayer/ ? |
| 11:15.58 | Bor_Ed | yup |
| 11:16.36 | mort | hmm, my ibook isn't running. i'll try later |
| 11:16.51 | Bor_Ed | xfce has broken packages currently too :o |
| 11:40.13 | sktrdie | _rene_ if you are there |
| 11:40.24 | sktrdie | the problem is that the brightness keys wont work, also the eject |
| 11:40.29 | sktrdie | but the sound keys work |
| 11:44.47 | mort | Bor_Ed: what do you mean by invalid? It works great for me |
| 11:46.07 | Bor_Ed | it whines something about pgp key not matching and ignores the source |
| 11:46.22 | Bor_Ed | W: GPG error: http://honk.physik.uni-konstanz.de mplayer/ Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 6F55E43F840A7FF6 |
| 11:47.07 | mort | Bor_Ed: I definitley don't have that problem... |
| 11:47.16 | mort | are you using ubuntu? |
| 11:47.21 | Bor_Ed | lol no |
| 11:47.46 | sktrdie | ubuntu sucks |
| 11:47.52 | sktrdie | it's just an ugly copy of debian |
| 11:48.06 | mort | I've such things on ubuntu many times |
| 11:48.18 | sktrdie | It's good for people that want everything done... |
| 11:48.29 | Bor_Ed | mandriva is for such ppl |
| 11:49.02 | mort | ubuntu is interesting, has some nice new ideas. but i prefer debian |
| 11:49.16 | mort | it's not just an ugly copy |
| 11:53.28 | jao | hmmm. in debian, the mplayer package above has unsatisfied dependencies. |
| 11:53.57 | s^3 | Bor_Ed, get the key and apt-key add <key> |
| 11:54.28 | mort | jao: what is it? maybe I still have in the archive |
| 11:54.29 | Bor_Ed | weird that it stopped working just like that... it's worked for couple of years with no probs |
| 11:55.51 | jao | mort, libdirectfb is not available, and libjack0.80 must be >= 0.99.0 |
| 11:58.31 | s^3 | Bor_Ed, apt got upgraded and now uses cryptographically signed packages/servers ! |
| 11:58.43 | s^3 | good that is |
| 11:59.11 | mort | jao: I see, weird |
| 12:01.05 | jao | mort, is that apt archive yours? |
| 12:01.23 | sktrdie | gentoo is the best distro |
| 12:01.26 | sktrdie | also for ppc |
| 12:01.34 | sktrdie | but I was sick of compiling everything |
| 12:01.38 | sktrdie | I wanted binaries |
| 12:02.37 | mort | joel: no, I just meant my local /var/cache/apt/archive |
| 12:02.47 | mort | jao, sorry |
| 12:03.34 | jao | mort, aha. is there any package there to transform an .rm into something playable by, say, xine? |
| 12:03.45 | jao | (since i cannot get mplayer) |
| 12:05.44 | mort | jao: my xine does realmedia. you could also ignore libjack and directfb since I don't think they're essential for mplayer |
| 12:06.16 | jao | mort: what's your xine? (i've got debian's stock one) |
| 12:08.04 | mort | jao: hmm, seems only my x86 xine does realmedia :-( |
| 12:08.38 | jao | mort, ok. how do i ignore libjack and directfb? |
| 12:13.31 | mort | jao: try -m |
| 12:15.03 | jao | mort, hmm. nope, it doesn't work. |
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| 12:59.27 | demon | you need the realplayer libs for ppc |
| 12:59.46 | demon | because though xine recognizes the format, it doesn't have the codecs |
| 13:00.02 | jao | demon, what are those libs? |
| 13:02.53 | sktrdie | should I keep always update with kernel? |
| 13:02.55 | sktrdie | I have 2.6.8 |
| 13:03.02 | sktrdie | should I upgrade to 2.6.10? |
| 13:03.10 | sktrdie | is there a tutorial around on how to? |
| 13:07.02 | demon | er... if you're using sarge, you may as well stick with the packaged kernel... security fixes will be backported |
| 13:07.53 | sktrdie | demon: I dont think I have sarge |
| 13:07.57 | sktrdie | I really don't know |
| 13:08.16 | sktrdie | i am using 310rA |
| 13:08.22 | demon | that's sarge |
| 13:08.31 | sktrdie | o ok |
| 13:08.33 | sktrdie | I see |
| 13:08.42 | sktrdie | demon: so it's good to keep it like this? |
| 13:09.12 | demon | heh... if it works, then yes |
| 13:09.26 | sktrdie | yea, seems working fine :D |
| 13:09.33 | sktrdie | only pbbuttonsd is giving me some probs |
| 13:10.00 | sktrdie | and also since I've deleted xscreensaver, at startup I have a message with xscreensaver telling me that is not able to load |
| 13:10.04 | sktrdie | because It's not there |
| 13:10.13 | sktrdie | how do I take the startup thing away? |
| 13:10.38 | demon | uh... I don't know |
| 13:10.54 | demon | I actually use xscreensaver |
| 13:45.47 | sktrdie | I have a problem |
| 13:45.53 | sktrdie | no APM is supported in my kernel |
| 13:45.57 | sktrdie | how do I add it? |
| 13:46.02 | sktrdie | to view battery status |
| 13:51.15 | demon | uh, there's no such thing as APM on apple laptops |
| 13:51.30 | demon | you can load the apm_emu module to provide a little APM compatibility |
| 13:52.01 | demon | that'll make suspend work with X, and anything that uses /proc/apm to get battery info should work |
| 13:53.40 | sktrdie | demon: |
| 13:53.43 | sktrdie | Im using GNOME |
| 13:53.54 | sktrdie | the battery status is always 0, and it doesnt show anything |
| 13:54.14 | demon | okay, so load the apm_emu kernel module |
| 13:54.17 | demon | like I said |
| 13:54.27 | sktrdie | how do I do that |
| 13:54.31 | sktrdie | sorry im new |
| 13:54.44 | demon | 'modprobe apm_emu' as root? |
| 13:55.03 | sktrdie | that easy? dont I have to rebuild the kernel? |
| 13:55.14 | demon | then do 'echo "apm_emu" >> /etc/modules' to make sure the module always loads |
| 13:55.35 | demon | yeah, that's the advantage of having a sane prebuilt kernel |
| 13:56.03 | sktrdie | So how does it actually work, whats the difference in a module and activating actually something in kernel |
| 13:56.21 | sktrdie | like in the .config file of the kernel, sometimes its "m" sometimes "y" |
| 13:56.23 | sktrdie | right? |
| 13:56.28 | sktrdie | m=module |
| 13:56.42 | demon | a kernel module is linked into the running kernel while the system is running instead of statically linking it into the kernel image |
| 13:56.56 | demon | that's the only difference |
| 13:57.32 | sktrdie | ok so for example I won't find the apm_emu in my kernel now, but It will load anyway |
| 13:57.48 | sktrdie | doing that modprobe |
| 13:58.04 | demon | ... I guess I don't understand what you mean |
| 13:58.10 | demon | it's in a .ko file on disk |
| 13:58.31 | demon | modprobe will load that kernel module (and dependencies, if any) into the running kernel on your system |
| 13:58.37 | sktrdie | can I do this with everything, like Firewire support, or also like if I want to know the temperature of my CPU |
| 13:58.51 | demon | firewire support, yet |
| 13:58.54 | demon | er, yes |
| 13:59.13 | sktrdie | Yes what I mean is that It will not be written in the kernel itself, but it will start everytime |
| 13:59.38 | demon | if you want it to load every time the system boots, you add it to /etc/modules like I mentioned |
| 14:00.18 | demon | then the init scripts will just load the modules specified at every boot |
| 14:01.13 | sktrdie | I remember when I was using Gentoo, for example I wanted to add alsa support, I needed to make my kernel and then start it up |
| 14:01.21 | sktrdie | with yaboot |
| 14:01.29 | sktrdie | from the make menuconfig |
| 14:01.47 | demon | yeah... you don't need to do that, it's all built as modules and included as part of the kernel package |
| 14:02.06 | sktrdie | so modprobe is the solution |
| 14:02.14 | demon | yes |
| 14:02.18 | sktrdie | nice |
| 14:02.32 | sktrdie | ok for example |
| 14:02.50 | sktrdie | I want to see my temp INFO when i look at my /proc/cpuingo |
| 14:02.52 | sktrdie | cpuinfo |
| 14:02.55 | sktrdie | but its not there |
| 14:03.02 | sktrdie | do I have to activate ACPI? |
| 14:03.04 | sktrdie | or soemthing |
| 14:03.07 | sktrdie | I dont remember |
| 14:04.14 | demon | if it's not there, your CPU probably doesn't support that... I don't think that's a feature that can be built out as a module |
| 14:04.29 | demon | my pismo shows a temperature, but those are known to be unreliable |
| 14:04.37 | demon | temperature : 42-44 C (uncalibrated) |
| 14:20.20 | Bor_Ed | temperature : 31 C (uncalibrated) |
| 14:20.30 | Bor_Ed | can't get the buggr over 24C |
| 14:20.40 | Bor_Ed | 34 that is |
| 14:26.08 | sktrdie | I see |
| 14:26.22 | sktrdie | demon: what are the features that can be build as a module? |
| 14:27.18 | demon | er... you'd have to get the source, run a menuconfig and look for the options that allow it |
| 14:27.36 | demon | most of the stuff you'll care about is already built as a module in the debian kernel though |
| 14:27.51 | demon | see /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/ |
| 14:28.08 | sktrdie | what If I want to be updated with the kernel version? |
| 14:28.19 | sktrdie | for example I think the 2.6.11 is coming out with new fefatures |
| 14:28.28 | sktrdie | I have the 2.6.8 |
| 14:28.33 | demon | you can build your own kernel and use it, there's nothing stopping you |
| 14:29.03 | sktrdie | building a kernel means creating my .config? |
| 14:29.06 | demon | afaik there aren't any kernel features in the packaged kernels that will prevent compatibility with a vanilla kernel |
| 14:29.30 | Bor_Ed | I've used vanilla since 2.6.8 and haven't had any issues with it |
| 14:30.24 | sktrdie | demon: I have no idea how to create a kernel in Debian? In Gentoo i used to make menuconfig... |
| 14:30.29 | sktrdie | but I never update to a newer version |
| 14:30.38 | demon | (unlike say, fedora, where they include kernel features that are required for PAM modules that will blow up if they aren't there) |
| 14:30.48 | demon | uh, it works the same way |
| 14:31.10 | demon | get the source tarball, unpack it, 'make menuconfig' then 'make' once it's to your liking |
| 14:31.14 | sktrdie | demon: I have no /usr/src/linux |
| 14:31.26 | sktrdie | O i see |
| 14:31.34 | sktrdie | and then boot it with yaboot? |
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| 14:31.38 | sktrdie | I want to try it |
| 14:31.40 | demon | go download the tarball you want from kernel.org or a mirror |
| 14:31.55 | demon | yeah, add it to /etc/yaboot.conf and run 'ybin' to update |
| 14:32.10 | sktrdie | yea |
| 14:32.32 | sktrdie | listen, do I have to choose a kernel for ppc? |
| 14:32.38 | demon | ... huh? |
| 14:32.39 | sktrdie | at kernel..org |
| 14:32.53 | demon | the kernel packages cover all arches |
| 14:33.00 | demon | they're source tarballs |
| 14:33.12 | sktrdie | I see 2.6.13??? |
| 14:33.37 | demon | 2.6.13-rc1 you mean? |
| 14:33.47 | Bor_Ed | 2.6.12 is latest stable afaik |
| 14:34.18 | sktrdie | demon yea |
| 14:34.24 | sktrdie | demon: what version do you have? |
| 14:34.25 | demon | according to www.kernel.org 2.6.12.2 is current |
| 14:34.32 | Bor_Ed | @kernel |
| 14:34.37 | demon | 2.6.11-powerpc |
| 14:34.47 | demon | the latest debian kernel package for ppc |
| 14:34.49 | Bor_Ed | 2.6.12-vanilla |
| 14:35.23 | sktrdie | demon: do you suggest me getting the 2.6.12.2? |
| 14:35.30 | sktrdie | or trying something else |
| 14:36.11 | demon | heh... I'd go with the packaged kernel myself |
| 14:36.29 | demon | do what makes you happy, and yields a system that's sufficiently stable for your purposes |
| 14:37.07 | sktrdie | what are u ussing? |
| 14:37.13 | sktrdie | http://home.zonnet.nl/vgeloven/powerbook-g4-linux-kernel-configuration/ |
| 14:37.19 | sktrdie | I found this, he's using my same exact computer |
| 14:37.23 | sktrdie | and he's providing .configs |
| 14:37.31 | demon | okay, that's nice |
| 14:37.35 | sktrdie | eheh |
| 14:37.41 | demon | when I built my own, I did my own configs |
| 14:37.48 | demon | but whatever |
| 14:38.00 | sktrdie | yea |
| 14:38.06 | sktrdie | but what are you using? |
| 14:38.32 | demon | using? as far as? |
| 14:38.48 | sktrdie | what kernel version |
| 14:38.58 | demon | see above |
| 14:39.12 | sktrdie | 2.6.11-powerpc |
| 14:39.15 | sktrdie | where do i get it? |
| 14:39.22 | sktrdie | but thats the binary? |
| 14:39.34 | sktrdie | I mean package |
| 14:39.34 | demon | that's a debian packaged kernel from sid |
| 14:40.11 | demon | that's what I'm running on my powerbook |
| 14:40.17 | demon | and my G3 B&w |
| 14:40.19 | sktrdie | ok I'll try that |
| 14:40.22 | demon | and my 7500 |
| 14:40.38 | sktrdie | so basically I download that, untar it, run make menuconfig |
| 14:40.52 | demon | er... no |
| 14:40.52 | sktrdie | or just copy the .config fromt hat site |
| 14:41.10 | demon | I told you, the kernel I'm using is the debian packaged kernel |
| 14:41.28 | demon | if you want to build your own kernel, grab the tarball from a kernel.org mirror |
| 14:41.38 | sktrdie | O i see |
| 14:41.42 | sktrdie | no that's fine |
| 14:41.47 | sktrdie | what you are using |
| 14:41.54 | demon | ...? |
| 14:42.13 | sktrdie | but the debian package is configured unproperly, I can always copy the .config from that site right? |
| 14:42.23 | demon | "unproperly"? |
| 14:42.32 | demon | it's configured just fine |
| 14:42.47 | sktrdie | with everything? |
| 14:42.51 | sktrdie | ok lol |
| 14:42.55 | sktrdie | where do I get it? |
| 14:43.16 | demon | this packaged kernel? upgrade to unstable, and install kernel-image-2.6.11-powerpc |
| 14:43.49 | sktrdie | its in apt-get? |
| 14:43.57 | demon | ... |
| 14:43.57 | demon | yes |
| 14:44.00 | sktrdie | upgrade to unstable? |
| 14:45.28 | sktrdie | .. |
| 14:45.31 | sktrdie | what does that mean |
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| 14:46.53 | sktrdie | when I install it it will automatically overwrite my old kernel? |
| 14:47.01 | sktrdie | and update yaboot |
| 14:47.17 | sktrdie | where 's my current kernel located ,so I can save it in case |
| 14:51.06 | sktrdie | sorry for the lame questions, but I'm trying to learn |
| 14:57.00 | sktrdie | in fact max is 2.6.8 |
| 14:57.23 | sktrdie | o well, forget it, my system is stable, I guess I'll try and do something when Im having problems |
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| 16:15.51 | abofaisal | I'm using an iMac DV G3/400 with Debian Sarge. Kmix shows the master volume control *only* for the input in the dock; the only slider that does anything in Kmix (with regards to output, haven't checked input) is the PC speaker volume control. Is there some way I can have the PC speaker slider be controlled from the dock icon? |
| 16:17.06 | sktrdie | how do I adjust brightness on my powerbook? |
| 16:24.24 | beth | sktrdie: probably fn-F1, fn-F2 |
| 16:24.50 | beth | if there's little sun icons on F1 and F2, poke those buttons with and without the Fn modifier |
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| 16:26.02 | abofaisal | yeah.. that worked with my ibook when I was using ubuntu on it |
| 16:31.28 | Stereo | don't you have to install pbuttonsd for that? |
| 16:32.38 | abofaisal | what would I do to have brightness/sound controls on my imac's keyboard like in OS X? |
| 16:32.55 | _rene_ | you have. but then it does work |
| 16:32.59 | _rene_ | without problems |
| 16:33.13 | _rene_ | unless you have mouseemu installed |
| 16:33.19 | _rene_ | (iBook G4) |
| 16:33.27 | _rene_ | well, no idea about powerbooks |
| 16:33.31 | _rene_ | they are a story itself |
| 16:33.57 | _rene_ | anyone who wants to run Linux ona *book I'd suggest using a iBook and *not* a PowerBook |
| 16:34.20 | abofaisal | why? |
| 16:34.35 | Stereo | why would you want to run linux on a powerbook? |
| 16:34.37 | abofaisal | an old ti book with a pcmcia slot would be tons better than an ibook |
| 16:34.41 | _rene_ | because Linux support on powerbooks is suboptiomal |
| 16:34.50 | _rene_ | abofaisal: ok, well, *new* powerbooks |
| 16:35.11 | _rene_ | abofaisal: and why? new ibooks work. |
| 16:35.32 | _rene_ | Stereo: because mac os x is crap |
| 16:35.39 | abofaisal | only caveat is having to use a USB dongle |
| 16:35.41 | abofaisal | for wireless |
| 16:35.44 | _rene_ | abofaisal: yes |
| 16:35.51 | Stereo | it is? |
| 16:36.01 | _rene_ | but on new pbooks you have problems with |
| 16:36.03 | _rene_ | - suspend |
| 16:36.05 | _rene_ | - 3d |
| 16:36.07 | _rene_ | - touchpad |
| 16:36.10 | _rene_ | - fn-keys |
| 16:36.12 | _rene_ | etc |
| 16:36.21 | _rene_ | first two because it's nvidia shit |
| 16:37.40 | abofaisal | So.. any idea why Kmix is so goofy on my iMac? Is there an alternative that works right? |
| 16:42.11 | abofaisal | hmm.. plugging headphones in doesn't actually defeat the built in speakers |
| 16:43.10 | Stereo | I wish there was a way of doing that with mac os x, abofaisal |
| 16:43.39 | abofaisal | it does on my powermac and ibook |
| 16:43.45 | abofaisal | never tried on this imac |
| 16:43.48 | abofaisal | in os x |
| 16:43.56 | abofaisal | i only had os x on this machine for liek 20 minutes |
| 16:44.07 | abofaisal | i'd imagine it works though.. |
| 16:45.30 | Stereo | nah, it's either built-in or line out |
| 16:45.36 | Stereo | it's handled in software though |
| 16:46.15 | abofaisal | oh.. thought you wanted the opposite |
| 16:49.09 | abofaisal | what's "powermac screemer" do in Kmix?' |
| 16:49.15 | abofaisal | and why do i have it there.. |
| 16:49.27 | abofaisal | moving the slider appears to do nothing |
| 16:50.47 | abofaisal | someone's fucking car alarm has been going off for an hour |
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| 16:52.25 | mrwick | although I haven't successfully used xsupplicant for wep.. I can connect with this proxim harmony to unsecured aps :>> |
| 16:52.33 | mrwick | including the one in this coffee shop ! |
| 16:52.34 | Stereo | abofaisal: the powermac screemer slider triggers nearby car alarms |
| 16:52.41 | abofaisal | stereo: cool |
| 16:53.05 | abofaisal | is that supported on my ibook too? |
| 16:53.11 | abofaisal | it'd be more useful there |
| 16:53.29 | Stereo | not sure |
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| 16:56.31 | abofaisal | i effectively have no master volume control it seems |
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| 17:04.03 | wooden | where can i get a good mplayer package for sarge ppc? |
| 17:04.11 | wooden | cant compile it myself |
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| 17:06.56 | mrwick | wooden : try here--> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=mplayer+debian+powerpc&btnG=Search |
| 17:07.00 | _rene_ | wooden: google helps. |
| 17:07.24 | wooden | ive this from honk ... this packages suxx |
| 17:07.25 | _rene_ | mrwick: marillat has them and guido builds them for ppc. it's even written on that page |
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| 17:08.20 | mrwick | cool.. I like the domain debian.video.free.fr |
| 17:08.32 | mrwick | very simple ;-) |
| 17:08.59 | mrwick | wooden : you could also maybe think of trying vlc.. it's alright |
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| 17:13.41 | furrywolf_ | so where is simonrvn, anyway? |
| 17:30.56 | ioops | http://linux-bcom4301.sourceforge.net/go/progress |
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| 17:48.31 | Neoalex | what video driver should I use for X on a Power Mac 7300/200 |
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| 17:49.29 | Bor_Ed | fbdev |
| 17:52.00 | sktrdie | hello |
| 17:52.21 | sktrdie | it is wierd, because when I used Gentoo Fn+ f1 & f2 worked |
| 17:52.26 | sktrdie | but now it doesnt |
| 17:52.30 | sktrdie | just the sound works |
| 17:52.38 | sktrdie | with fn+f3-f4-f5 |
| 17:52.52 | sktrdie | but brightness and also eject |
| 17:52.55 | sktrdie | not going |
| 17:52.59 | sktrdie | maybe its something in kernel |
| 17:53.46 | Bor_Ed | or you should install pbuttonsd or similar named package... |
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| 17:59.03 | Neoalex | it starts the ati module for some reasoun |
| 17:59.19 | Neoalex | gives an error that it doesn't find any devices |
| 17:59.41 | Neoalex | then crashes because it doesn't find screems |
| 17:59.46 | Neoalex | screens |
| 18:00.13 | Neoalex | all setup goes in Xf86config right? |
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| 18:11.48 | sktrdie | Bor_Ed |
| 18:11.50 | sktrdie | I have that installed |
| 18:11.53 | sktrdie | but it wont work |
| 18:11.58 | sktrdie | only volume keys work |
| 18:16.15 | Neoalex | I set up the x configuration to be managed by debconf |
| 18:16.25 | Neoalex | how do I start debconf? |
| 18:16.51 | sktrdie | Neoalex: what's your problem? |
| 18:18.19 | Neoalex | I can't change the display driver for XF86 |
| 18:18.30 | Neoalex | I tried to change it in xf86config |
| 18:18.35 | Neoalex | it still loads ati |
| 18:18.42 | Neoalex | I don't have ati |
| 18:19.12 | Neoalex | I should be using fbdev... on a PowerMac 7300 right? |
| 18:24.30 | Neoalex | the X configuration is set to be managed by debconf... that's probably why changing xf86config has no effect |
| 18:24.36 | Neoalex | how do I use debconf |
| 18:30.26 | sktrdie | no |
| 18:30.29 | sktrdie | use "nv" |
| 18:30.32 | sktrdie | if you have nvidia |
| 18:30.53 | sktrdie | the file you need to change is XF86Config-4 |
| 18:32.29 | Neoalex | I don't have nvidia |
| 18:32.38 | Neoalex | I have no idea what it has actually |
| 18:34.31 | _rene_ | why don't you then look? |
| 18:34.56 | _rene_ | look at lspci, your manual, ... |
| 18:35.36 | Neoalex | it's not on pci |
| 18:35.48 | Neoalex | it's onboard I guess |
| 18:35.53 | Neoalex | lspci doesn't show me anything |
| 18:36.37 | _rene_ | Neoalex: even onboard stuff is shown by lspci |
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| 18:36.40 | sktrdie | my powerbook gets really hot :( |
| 18:36.54 | _rene_ | huh? doesn't show any VGA stuff? |
| 18:37.00 | Neoalex | nope |
| 18:37.07 | _rene_ | sktrdie: did you load the thrm_adtsomething module? |
| 18:37.14 | _rene_ | if not, do it. it regulates the fan |
| 18:38.00 | Neoalex | well I manged to change it with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 18:38.01 | sktrdie | o how do I check if it's on? |
| 18:38.10 | Neoalex | now it gives an error for the mouse |
| 18:38.16 | Neoalex | what mouse should I use |
| 18:40.00 | _rene_ | sktrdie: get a good manual/book. read it. |
| 18:40.00 | sktrdie | .. |
| 18:40.08 | sktrdie | lol |
| 18:40.14 | _rene_ | sktrdie: you need to really learn much stuff |
| 18:40.29 | _rene_ | sktrdie: i.e. the BASICs |
| 18:40.34 | _rene_ | BASICS |
| 18:40.48 | _rene_ | btw, it's lsmod what shows you what kernel modules you've loaded |
| 18:42.28 | Neoalex | what port do I set for a USB mouse? |
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| 18:43.00 | Roderick | /dev/input/mice |
| 18:43.45 | Neoalex | thought so... did befor... works |
| 18:43.56 | Neoalex | yeey... I have a working X |
| 18:44.02 | Neoalex | with KDE |
| 18:44.34 | _rene_ | Neoalex: sorry, but if you thought so wtf did you ask? |
| 18:44.37 | Neoalex | ok... now... how do I make the soundcard work? |
| 18:44.46 | _rene_ | Neoalex: which didn't you just try? |
| 18:45.06 | Neoalex | I tried psaux... then /dev/input/mice |
| 18:45.11 | Neoalex | ok I'm sorry |
| 18:45.29 | Bor_Ed | modprobe dmasound_pmac |
| 18:45.47 | Bor_Ed | or snd-powermac |
| 18:45.55 | [bman] | Is it recommended to use 3.1r0a for a production install? Also, anyone else having problems installing unstable with 3.1r0a (blocking on exim-base)? |
| 18:46.40 | sktrdie | _rene_ i know |
| 18:46.43 | sktrdie | but I hate reading |
| 18:46.49 | sktrdie | and learning by doing stuff is much better |
| 18:47.00 | [bman] | reading also helps |
| 18:47.08 | [bman] | ;) |
| 18:48.59 | sktrdie | I know |
| 18:49.15 | sktrdie | but there's this pbbuttonsd problem I really can't figure out |
| 18:49.20 | sktrdie | the brightness |
| 18:49.24 | sktrdie | its not working |
| 18:50.06 | Neoalex | how do I change the resolution? |
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| 18:51.48 | [bman] | Neoalex, `man 5x XF86Config-4` |
| 18:52.09 | sktrdie | neoalex: check the XF86Config-4 |
| 18:52.21 | Neoalex | I have a weird display problem now |
| 18:52.42 | Neoalex | a bit aof the left part of the display is showing in the right part |
| 18:54.26 | sktrdie | therm_adt746x |
| 18:54.29 | sktrdie | this should be the thermal? |
| 18:55.30 | _rene_ | yes |
| 18:56.05 | sktrdie | i do |
| 18:56.16 | sktrdie | modprobe therm_adt746x |
| 18:56.35 | sktrdie | it says that therm_adt746x.ko doesnt exist |
| 18:56.53 | sktrdie | actually here's the full error: |
| 18:56.54 | sktrdie | FATAL: Error inserting therm_adt746x (/lib/modules/2.6.8-powerpc/kernel/drivers/macintosh/therm_adt746x.ko): No such device |
| 18:57.23 | Neoalex | could not load any of the sound modules |
| 18:57.27 | Neoalex | should I get alsa |
| 18:57.44 | sktrdie | ya |
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| 18:58.13 | Bor_Ed | snd_powermac loads all the required stuff |
| 18:58.21 | Neoalex | it wouldn't load |
| 18:58.23 | Bor_Ed | if you have 2.6.x |
| 18:58.26 | Neoalex | I don't |
| 18:58.29 | Neoalex | I have woody |
| 18:58.37 | Bor_Ed | dmasound_pmac then |
| 18:58.47 | Neoalex | that wouldn't load either |
| 18:58.57 | Neoalex | where should I get it first? |
| 18:59.00 | Bor_Ed | what it gives as error ? |
| 18:59.21 | Neoalex | could not load moule dmasound_pmac |
| 18:59.32 | Bor_Ed | what kernel you have there ? |
| 19:00.04 | Neoalex | whatever woody has by default |
| 19:00.14 | Bor_Ed | 2.2.20 that is... |
| 19:00.49 | Neoalex | I guess.. how do I find out? |
| 19:00.57 | Bor_Ed | uname -a in console |
| 19:01.14 | Neoalex | youp 2.2.20-pmac |
| 19:02.02 | sktrdie | any help with me? |
| 19:02.03 | Bor_Ed | that only has dmasound_pmac ... you could install kernel-image-2.4 to get a bit more recent kernel with decent sound support |
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| 19:07.46 | Neoalex | but until then why can't it find dmasound_pmac on this one |
| 19:08.01 | Neoalex | it says could not locat module dmasound_pmac |
| 19:08.54 | Bor_Ed | 2.2.20 probably didn't have it built |
| 19:09.11 | Bor_Ed | 2.4.18 and laters have it even on debian builds |
| 19:09.15 | Neoalex | will alsa work on 2.2? |
| 19:09.21 | Bor_Ed | nope |
| 19:09.28 | abofaisal | Anyone know why Kmix has my outputs and inputs totally borked? Nothing showing for headphone.. master control only for input, not output. |
| 19:09.43 | abofaisal | Using an Imac DV |
| 19:09.52 | abofaisal | amd sarge |
| 19:10.35 | Bor_Ed | kde, imac, sarge... sowwy, don't have any of those |
| 19:10.39 | abofaisal | then some controls that do nothing.. like "powermac screamer" |
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| 20:13.17 | abofaisal | well.. figured that out |
| 20:13.20 | abofaisal | kind of |
| 20:13.34 | abofaisal | the imac dv has three headphone jacks.. two on the front.. one on the side |
| 20:13.43 | abofaisal | the master volume control is controlling the one on the side |
| 20:13.47 | abofaisal | so it does do something.. |
| 20:14.12 | abofaisal | has no effect on the two front headphone jacks though |
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| 20:23.05 | abofaisal | Gnome's mixer is the same way.. somewhere else I could configure this higher up on the chain? |
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| 22:52.23 | rafa | hi |
| 22:52.46 | rafa | does anyone know what's the default font in red hat/yellow dog gnome desktops? |
| 22:53.46 | Curalton | ehh |
| 22:54.56 | Stereo | vera sans? |
| 22:56.05 | _rene_ | rafa: how should we know? shouldn't you better ask in a rh/ydl channel? |
| 22:57.03 | Curalton | #feudalim |
| 22:57.12 | Curalton | err, #fedora |
| 22:57.23 | rafa | _rene_, you're right, sorry |
| 22:57.42 | rafa | but i couldn't speak in #fedora without registering my nick |
| 22:57.47 | rafa | and since i have debian |
| 22:57.53 | rafa | i thought it was worth trying |
| 22:58.44 | rafa | let's rephrase |
| 22:59.22 | rafa | do you know a good free (as in beer) font, screen readable and not as ugly as vera sans? |
| 22:59.36 | Neoalex | I get a libc6 not fully installed error |
| 22:59.44 | Neoalex | what should I do... because apt-get tells me it's the latest version when i try to upgrade\ |
| 23:00.00 | _rene_ | give the actual error |
| 23:00.29 | Curalton | rafa: i use luxi sans |
| 23:00.35 | Neoalex | just a sec |
| 23:01.05 | _rene_ | *shrugs* |
| 23:01.36 | Neoalex | # /usr/bin/dpkg-reconfigure: libc6 is not fully installed |
| 23:01.54 | _rene_ | that's everything? |
| 23:02.00 | Neoalex | youp |
| 23:02.07 | _rene_ | and wtf do you want to reconfigure libc6? |
| 23:02.19 | _rene_ | but try apt-get install --reinstall libc6 |
| 23:02.42 | _rene_ | but there's nothing to dpkg-reconfigure'ing libc6 |
| 23:02.42 | rafa | Curalton, is there a package for luxi sans |
| 23:02.47 | rafa | ? |
| 23:02.48 | _rene_ | since libc6 has no debconf question |
| 23:03.30 | rafa | never mind, i found it!! |
| 23:04.59 | Curalton | ah, couldn't tell tbh. long time since i set my debian :) |
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| 23:11.26 | abofaisal | Command + C or V used to work for cutting and pasting in KDE... it has since stopped and I"m not sure why. I have KDE's control panel set to use Macintosh modifiers. Any ideas? |
| 23:12.22 | abofaisal | I meant, it's using control instead of command as a modifier |
| 23:13.29 | abofaisal | hmm.. that's odd.. it's fine again |
| 23:17.45 | abofaisal | is there a forum specifically for debian ppc users? |
| 23:23.57 | Curalton | not a forum but try the debian ppc mailinglist |
| 23:28.43 | abofaisal | the ubuntu folks have a pretty decent ppc forum going |
| 23:29.10 | abofaisal | considering the small number of people using ppc linux distros though it works surprisingly well |
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