| 00:04.58 | s^3 | no |
| 00:06.35 | Trev_ | Thanks.. I made 2 partitions of Mac OS Extended types.. as documented.. wrapping up install now of OSX. Then planning on debian Sarge Net INstall for PowerPC. When I repartitioned the 1st Origional Partition I had made for debian previously.. things went wacky.. Redoing it now.. |
| 00:07.01 | Trev_ | Normally setup 25M boot 512M Swap and whever is left for / |
| 00:07.12 | Trev_ | is that appropriate ? or do I need a 4th for yaboot ? |
| 00:15.28 | s^3 | just follow http://people.debian.org/~branden/ibook/ |
| 00:17.03 | Trev_ | Yea I am on that thanks... |
| 00:17.55 | s^3 | well I have one for / /home swap |
| 00:18.54 | s^3 | well actually /boot also as I use crypted / but that is not really necessary... |
| 00:19.16 | Trev_ | YEa.. personal preferences =).. DIfference is the yaboot stuff is included on the image I am using. Not sure If I need to go in and do some mac-fdisk stuff or not.. |
| 00:19.46 | Trev_ | Last attempt I had run into some problems.. |
| 00:20.54 | Trev_ | I don't mind retrying over and over.. but it's the friggin hour long OS X install.. that's a bit irritating =) |
| 00:21.04 | s^3 | as long as you don't move the orig macosx part you are fine... |
| 00:21.11 | Trev_ | Waiting for that.. then running hte debian install and repartitioning.. |
| 00:21.18 | Trev_ | Yea I may have screwed it up.. |
| 00:21.33 | Trev_ | Is there a small partition 35k or soo that apple uses for boot as well ? |
| 00:21.34 | s^3 | so do your stuff after the osx part |
| 00:21.54 | s^3 | yes that gets automagically created... |
| 00:22.08 | Trev_ | Yea installing the base OS X system now on the second partition |
| 00:22.18 | Trev_ | should I leave that be ? |
| 00:22.49 | s^3 | err ? what is supposed to be in the first ? do you have a third etc ? |
| 00:23.19 | Trev_ | I currently have 2 partitions "debian" && "Mac os X" |
| 00:23.20 | s^3 | i did it like this: |
| 00:23.22 | s^3 | /dev/hda1 Apple_partition_map Apple 63 @ 1 ( 31.5k) Partition map |
| 00:23.22 | s^3 | /dev/hda2 Apple_Bootstrap bootstrap 1600 @ 64 (800.0k) NewWorld bootblock |
| 00:23.22 | s^3 | /dev/hda3 Apple_HFS MacOS 4194304 @ 1664 ( 2.0G) HFS |
| 00:23.22 | s^3 | /dev/hda4 Apple_UNIX_SVR2 root 27261376 @ 4195968 ( 13.0G) Linux native |
| 00:23.22 | s^3 | /dev/hda5 Apple_UNIX_SVR2 boot 204800 @ 31457344 (100.0M) Linux native |
| 00:23.23 | s^3 | /dev/hda6 Apple_UNIX_SVR2 emergency_boot 204800 @ 31662144 (100.0M) Linux native |
| 00:23.25 | s^3 | /dev/hda7 Apple_UNIX_SVR2 swap 3989504 @ 31866944 ( 1.9G) Linux swap |
| 00:23.27 | s^3 | /dev/hda8 Apple_UNIX_SVR2 home 81353792 @ 35856448 ( 38.8G) Linux native |
| 00:24.04 | Trev_ | mac-fdisk ? or disk utility ? |
| 00:24.08 | s^3 | you probably don't need a /boot nor /emergency boot nor /home |
| 00:24.22 | s^3 | just fdisk |
| 00:24.41 | Trev_ | Probably right, my workstations && servers I use /boot swap / 3 partitions. |
| 00:25.15 | Trev_ | I am new to OS X though.. had this thing for about a week.. powerbook G4 |
| 00:25.16 | s^3 | (I need emergency_boot to do sth about my system when I cannot enter it at all, remember / is encrypted here) |
| 00:25.49 | s^3 | well I also switched after one week of osx :) |
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| 00:26.29 | Trev_ | I don't mind OS X. I like it.. actually. But, debian... I guess that's all I need to say.. I need the tools. |
| 00:28.43 | s^3 | which is why I am now back to debian, much easier to get the 'real' software |
| 00:28.43 | Trev_ | Ohh yea. |
| 00:29.23 | s^3 | fink is all a mess... |
| 00:29.32 | demon | if you want to use jfs or xfs as your root fs, you'll need a separate /boot |
| 00:29.40 | s^3 | i.e. fink stable is worse than debian xperimetal |
| 00:29.51 | s^3 | don't |
| 00:30.12 | Trev_ | hrrmm |
| 00:30.36 | s^3 | well actually some people like particular fs's but it has become quite religious nowadays :/ |
| 00:30.57 | demon | well, I use JFS on my pismo |
| 00:31.05 | demon | and I'm quite happy with it |
| 00:31.11 | demon | heh |
| 00:31.15 | s^3 | and ext2 :) |
| 00:31.15 | Trev_ | jfs is quite popular.. use it myself with most of my systems. Happy with it. |
| 00:31.19 | demon | you like living on the edge, huh? |
| 00:31.42 | s^3 | demon, I use it for >5 years now on all my machines - rock stable |
| 00:31.52 | demon | heh |
| 00:32.04 | demon | I've known so many people with reiserfs filesystems eaten |
| 00:32.22 | s^3 | well just avoid kernels <2.4.17 |
| 00:32.42 | s^3 | hmmhh maybe a <= that is |
| 00:33.39 | s^3 | I once checked out xfs... after a slight hardware failure my whole disk partition was gone... |
| 00:34.21 | s^3 | so I would always recommend the official one: ext3 ... it is probably the most stable on |
| 00:34.22 | s^3 | e |
| 00:37.54 | demon | true, for most people ext3 is fine |
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| 00:46.57 | Trev_ | s^3 Question for you pertaining to rolling out Powerbooks and duplicating the drives.. |
| 00:47.25 | Trev_ | I've read/heard that Rsync is definatly not what I would want for Duplicating MAC OS X HDs.. running MAC OS X. |
| 00:48.51 | Trev_ | I have not found any 'Duplication' utilities for Max OS.. any suggestions ? |
| 00:48.51 | Trev_ | Rolling 35 of them out over the next few months.. |
| 00:48.51 | Trev_ | Tiger.. |
| 01:03.45 | s^3 | Trev_, carboncopycloner |
| 01:03.46 | s^3 | that was workign ok... I needed that for my gf's ibook |
| 01:03.46 | Trev_ | I'll check it out..thanks. |
| 01:03.49 | demon | just use ditto |
| 01:03.49 | demon | it's included with OS X |
| 01:03.50 | Trev_ | very well... I'll check that out as well. |
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| 01:29.51 | s^3 | n8 |
| 01:39.09 | Trev_ | well.. debian install is happily wrapping up.. |
| 01:41.20 | dagbrown | That's what *I* thought when I installed it on an XServe |
| 01:41.24 | dagbrown | Until it went to reboot :D |
| 01:41.32 | Trev_ | =) |
| 01:43.25 | dagbrown | Trev_: Incidentally, you want "ditto" to copy MacOS X files around. |
| 01:44.16 | Trev_ | =) |
| 01:44.35 | Trev_ | This is my powerbook.. not the master machine at work.. that I will be duplicating out.. single os setup for that. |
| 01:44.39 | Trev_ | thanks for the.. reminder.. |
| 01:44.43 | dagbrown | Just Linux then? |
| 01:45.11 | Trev_ | I am duplicating Mac OS X out to 35 machines. |
| 01:45.35 | dagbrown | Whee! Have fun with the licenses! |
| 01:45.42 | Trev_ | =) |
| 01:46.12 | dagbrown | I wonder if there's an HFS dump. |
| 01:46.30 | Trev_ | Your going to make me go into shock.. reliving Windows horrors.. |
| 01:47.10 | dagbrown | Running MacOS does tend to do that. |
| 01:47.22 | dagbrown | I mean, commercial software. |
| 01:47.27 | Trev_ | To be honest though, I was a bit taken back that there seems to be no "mass rollout" solutions.. |
| 01:47.46 | dagbrown | MacOS X is not a sysadmin-friendly OS |
| 01:47.50 | dagbrown | Like, at *all* |
| 01:47.55 | Trev_ | There are some utilities.. soo it seems. =) |
| 01:48.44 | Trev_ | THey are for our Outside Sales .. or as I call them .. Outside Shmoozers.. considering they are really high paid free baseball ticket delivery people =) |
| 01:50.47 | Trev_ | Either way.. if I have to manually set the darn things up..so be it. I rather the Mac OS X over XP.. (installation and setup being the exceptions ) |
| 01:50.47 | dagbrown | At least MacOS X only insists on *one* reboot. |
| 01:50.47 | dagbrown | Well, two if you count the reboot after it patches itself. |
| 01:50.48 | Trev_ | When I got the MCSE.. they reminded me that #1 of the top ten fixes for any NT system.. Le Reboot.. |
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| 01:51.24 | Trev_ | It is actually shocking how often it 'fixes' things.. hmm.. makes them work again... fixes is the wrong word. |
| 01:51.41 | Trev_ | but lets get off that subject.. fast. =) go on for days. |
| 01:51.51 | dagbrown | Makes the system forget what the problem was. |
| 01:51.59 | Trev_ | I like that as well |
| 01:52.19 | dagbrown | And of course, you have absolutely zero access to the internals anyway, so the best you can do is kick it hard and hope that makes the problem stop happening. |
| 01:52.58 | Trev_ | Sir, that's why we run 30+ debian servers and use open source solutions for as much as we can... |
| 01:53.19 | Trev_ | Open the hood.. grab the wrench.. and get dirty. |
| 01:56.03 | dagbrown | That's why *I* run Debian all over the place. |
| 01:56.03 | Trev_ | It's a great OS. |
| 01:56.03 | dagbrown | How do you ask IPVS to tell you when it makes a load-balancing connection? Well, it's not documented, but go into the source and you'll find it's a debugging log message that you can get at by playing around with a parameter in sysctl. |
| 01:56.04 | dagbrown | How do you get Windows Firewall to tell you the same? You can't. And you can't even go into the code to figure out how to get at those messages, because you don't *have* the code. |
| 01:56.05 | Trev_ | That's the thing.. everything is a file... a configurable file.. |
| 01:56.05 | Trev_ | Different.. totally. |
| 01:56.05 | dagbrown | MacOS X annoys me because it's a backslide to those days. |
| 01:56.05 | demon | heh... whereas with windows, "why would you ever need to know that?" |
| 01:56.35 | Trev_ | I like Mac OS X because to me.. it seems as a midpoint from the XP world.. and Linux.. |
| 01:57.18 | Trev_ | Yea.. I can do the easy Camera Pictures... and Sound.. and Voice Recog.. and all the fancy stuff.. yea you can do it on Debian as well.. but .. sometimes it's just nice to 'plug n play' |
| 01:57.38 | Trev_ | I run gallery.. digikam.. on my systems. |
| 01:57.51 | Trev_ | but for god sakes my kids... will drool if I show em how =) |
| 01:58.17 | Trev_ | not all that true... /shrug |
| 02:00.04 | Trev_ | Ok.. Powerbook trackpad on debian.. decent link available to get that operational ? |
| 02:00.04 | Trev_ | testing that reboot demon =) |
| 02:00.07 | dagbrown | Er, hrm, flautist came by yesterday with a trackpad that worked perfectly. |
| 02:00.11 | dagbrown | A little *too* well actually |
| 02:02.00 | Trev_ | I'll need configure some keys as other mouse buttons as well correct ? f11 f12 maybe.. |
| 02:02.00 | Trev_ | I read that somewhere.. =P |
| 02:02.00 | Trev_ | rebooted just swell.. |
| 02:28.02 | Trev_ | Off to bed.. early work daytomorrow.. thanks for the tips guys.. enjoy |
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| 05:45.54 | Neoalex | how do I enable a second video card? |
| 05:50.42 | Neoalex | and can anyone tell me how I can upgrade from 2.2 kernel to 2.4 and make quik boot it too? |
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| 07:37.32 | Neoalex | I have a porblem with the display in X on a PowerMac 7300/200 |
| 07:38.02 | Neoalex | a centimeter of the left side of the screen is shiftend ot the right |
| 07:38.32 | Neoalex | I'm using fbdev as a driver... do I have any other options? |
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| 09:56.31 | Q-FUNK | welcome |
| 09:57.04 | Q-FUNK | sbm is a nice BIOS enhancement that allows booting CDs on i386. IIRC there is an equivalent idea on PPC, but I forgot what it's called. |
| 09:57.32 | Q-FUNK | it's essentially a boot floppy that adds El Torito support to old bioses. |
| 09:58.10 | Q-FUNK | someone here would remember what it's called. |
| 09:58.19 | Q-FUNK | ...hopefully |
| 09:59.25 | Q-FUNK | IIRC there were also some non-free boot floppies by Ethan Benson thta could help booting a nubus. |
| 10:03.28 | thain | i think the core of my problem is that i need to get the apple mklinux booter to the mac in a format that the macos understands |
| 10:04.22 | thain | since that's the approach the installation guides adverise |
| 10:06.19 | thain | i don't have stuffit expander on the mac side; i think the easiest way would be if i could get someone to create a cd with the booter files already extracted... (http://nubus-pmac.sourceforge.net/nubus-pmac/Apple_MkLinux_Booter.sit.hqx) |
| 10:06.40 | thain | s/cd/cd image/ |
| 10:07.59 | thain | i managed to copy the kernel over properly using an iso-format cd |
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| 10:11.37 | Q-FUNK | ok |
| 10:11.52 | Q-FUNK | thain: btw, aren't you the one doing the talk on cross-porting next week? |
| 10:12.42 | thain | Q-FUNK: yep |
| 10:18.50 | Q-FUNK | lovely :) |
| 10:18.57 | Q-FUNK | I look forward to it. |
| 10:19.09 | thain | great to hear :) |
| 10:20.24 | thain | it's a matter of building the suitable toolchain |
| 10:20.48 | Q-FUNK | I've got that. I built a few cross-compilers using toolchain-source. |
| 10:21.58 | thain | in scratchbox 1.0.2 (not released yet) it's a matter of writing a config file (such as http://viewcvs.scratchbox.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/sb-toolchains/meta/toolchain/arm-gcc3.4.cs-glibc.conf?rev=HEAD) and hoping it works |
| 10:23.23 | Q-FUNK | heh :) |
| 10:24.41 | Q-FUNK | ETA for that release? |
| 10:25.13 | thain | Q-FUNK: http://scratchbox.org/~tsavola/1.0.2-pre/ |
| 10:25.15 | Q-FUNK | should I try contibuting my hhpa stuff to it before release? |
| 10:25.25 | Q-FUNK | hppa, even |
| 10:25.29 | thain | yes :) |
| 10:25.56 | Q-FUNK | allrgiht. let's give it a try. :) |
| 10:25.56 | thain | hmm this is a bit off-topic |
| 10:26.01 | Q-FUNK | indeed |
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| 11:33.18 | sktrdie | guys |
| 11:33.38 | sktrdie | Ineed to check if CONFIG_PMAC_BACKLIGHT i son |
| 11:33.41 | sktrdie | is on |
| 11:33.43 | sktrdie | in my kernel |
| 11:33.46 | sktrdie | How do I do it? |
| 11:34.08 | demon | look in /boot/config-$(uname -r) ? |
| 11:34.49 | demon | though it's definitely on in the packaged kernels, as I'm using them on my pismo and they work fine |
| 11:34.58 | demon | including backlight control |
| 11:35.18 | sktrdie | what kernel to you have? |
| 11:36.44 | sktrdie | yes I have it enabled |
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| 11:36.48 | sktrdie | yet I cant use it |
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| 11:44.37 | sktrdie | demon: I need pmu |
| 11:44.41 | sktrdie | how do I add it? |
| 11:48.24 | sktrdie | where do I find the latest powerpc stable binary kernel? |
| 11:48.31 | sktrdie | it's not in apt-gert |
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| 11:57.16 | demon | the latest in stable is kernel-image-2.6.8-powerpc |
| 11:57.41 | demon | pmu support is built into the kernel |
| 11:57.50 | demon | (otherwise my keyboard wouldn't work) |
| 12:18.52 | sktrdie | demon: but I can't get my brightness to work |
| 12:19.01 | sktrdie | in fact pbbuttonsd work with everything |
| 12:19.06 | sktrdie | except birghtness |
| 12:19.08 | sktrdie | and when i do |
| 12:19.20 | sktrdie | fbleve |
| 12:19.25 | sktrdie | *fblevel |
| 12:19.46 | sktrdie | it tells me: |
| 12:19.52 | sktrdie | ioctl PMU_IOC_GET_BACKLIGHT: No such device |
| 12:22.25 | demon | what kind of graphics controller does your laptop have? an nVidia? |
| 12:22.44 | sktrdie | yes |
| 12:22.47 | demon | ... yep |
| 12:22.55 | demon | then it's not going to work |
| 12:22.58 | sktrdie | huh?? |
| 12:23.09 | sktrdie | what do you mean, on Gentoo brightness worked perfectly |
| 12:23.33 | demon | maybe they patched the kernel with something or other that hacked it in |
| 12:24.05 | demon | but unfortunately the nVidia stuff is poorly documented, and pretty hard to support |
| 12:24.56 | sktrdie | mmm |
| 12:24.59 | sktrdie | it's just brightness |
| 12:25.01 | sktrdie | wierd :/ |
| 12:25.09 | demon | so at least in the kernel included in sarge, it wouldn't surprise me if that wasn't in there |
| 12:26.11 | sktrdie | this sucks... |
| 12:26.21 | sktrdie | if gentoo worked |
| 12:26.23 | sktrdie | it should work here |
| 12:28.24 | sktrdie | isnt there a way to copy the kernel |
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| 12:38.07 | sk1p | sktrdie: be sure to include the NVIDIA framebuffer in your kernel config, that's the one with backlight support |
| 12:44.20 | sktrdie | sk1p: which one is that? |
| 12:45.04 | sk1p | there are two nvidia fb's, one is called nvidiafb the other one rivafb |
| 12:45.15 | sk1p | only in the latest kernels btw. |
| 12:45.22 | sktrdie | i have 2.6.8 |
| 12:45.28 | sk1p | hmm, too old i guess |
| 12:45.29 | sktrdie | let me check if i have it |
| 12:46.04 | sktrdie | Ihave nothing called "nvidia" in my kernel config |
| 12:46.09 | sktrdie | what do you advice me to do |
| 12:46.28 | sk1p | get latest kernel source, configure and compile |
| 12:47.01 | sktrdie | I really need soem short tutorial on this |
| 12:47.08 | sktrdie | in PPC vmlinux is the kernel itself |
| 12:47.08 | pa | anyone uses firefox and sylpheed? |
| 12:47.09 | sktrdie | right? |
| 12:47.19 | sk1p | yea |
| 12:47.49 | sktrdie | sk1p: and for example, can I use the latest binary? |
| 12:48.02 | sktrdie | sk1p: but I can't find it |
| 12:48.43 | sktrdie | the binary kernel I mean |
| 12:48.50 | sktrdie | it's 2.6.11 I think |
| 12:49.15 | sk1p | hmm |
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| 13:01.48 | black_Nightmare | heres a quick question..is a series II 266mhz wallstreet (stock processor) considered oldworld or newworld? |
| 13:04.44 | sktrdie | can anyone help me find the latest binary powerpc kernel? |
| 13:17.53 | pahartik_ | sktrdie: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=vmlinux&searchmode=searchword&case=sensitive&version=unstable&arch=powerpc |
| 13:20.58 | sktrdie | thnx pahartik_ |
| 13:21.03 | sktrdie | thnx pahartik |
| 13:21.09 | sktrdie | to run the .deb |
| 13:21.17 | sktrdie | i just write: dpkg -i .deb |
| 13:23.53 | sktrdie | did it do everything automatically? |
| 13:23.59 | sktrdie | what do I need to change in yaboot.conf? |
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| 13:32.00 | sktrdie | wowowowo |
| 13:32.05 | sktrdie | i got brightness to work |
| 13:32.25 | sktrdie | jeez doing the kernel with the .deb is soooo easy |
| 13:32.30 | sktrdie | it does everything for you |
| 13:32.41 | sktrdie | I always have complications doing from source |
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| 13:32.47 | sktrdie | always cuz of depndency |
| 13:32.48 | sktrdie | mostly |
| 13:33.11 | sktrdie | so .deb are really awesome |
| 13:36.21 | flautist | Does anyone in here know anything about MOL? |
| 13:36.51 | flautist | I tried asking about my problem in #mol, but no one is awake in there. :P |
| 13:40.05 | sktrdie | I have never used it |
| 13:40.26 | sktrdie | why dont you partition your HD and boot osx onthe other |
| 13:45.13 | flautist | Well, I would like to run them side by side every once in a while. |
| 13:45.32 | flautist | I already have it dual booting, which is nice, but I like Lunux better. |
| 13:46.14 | black_Nightmare | sorry for asking a 2nd time but...would a stock 266mhz wallstreet series II be considered oldworld or newworld? I can't quite tell myself |
| 13:46.20 | flautist | However, I need mol for things like websites that need flash to be displayed, or to have easy access to things on my OS X partition. |
| 13:46.58 | black_Nightmare | kinda funny that the G3 was considered both oldworld and newworld depending on the system..heh |
| 13:47.42 | Bor_Ed | wallstreet is newworld afaik... simonraven.nuit.ca has models page which probably lists its support too |
| 13:48.07 | black_Nightmare | oh...thanks |
| 13:48.07 | _rene_ | flautist: just ask... |
| 13:48.15 | _rene_ | flautist: what is your problem? |
| 13:48.37 | black_Nightmare | so I guess linux could install directly on it..no mklinux booter needed |
| 13:48.42 | black_Nightmare | thanks a lot bor_ed |
| 13:48.45 | Bor_Ed | np |
| 13:49.08 | Bor_Ed | certainly doesn't need mklinux loader |
| 13:51.54 | black_Nightmare | hmm umm bor_ed dumb question: does debian have apt-get? |
| 13:52.17 | thain | i tried extracting the mklinux loader .sit.hqx on a hfs filesystem (via loopback device) and burning that on a cd, but mac os (7.x i think) doesn't regocnise the files |
| 13:52.26 | Bor_Ed | that's not dumb question: yup, it's debians package management tool |
| 13:53.00 | black_Nightmare | bor_ed..hm ok ty..I've kinda liked apt-get... think thats why I'm kinda liking linux anyhow |
| 13:53.00 | thain | perhaps someone has a good idea how i should approach installing linux on a performa 5200 box |
| 13:53.23 | Bor_Ed | thain: nubus-pmac.sf.net has |
| 13:53.43 | black_Nightmare | have ubuntu on my pc for some time but now the pc is unuseable (no space for a monitor to it bah) ... and I'm sending $ for a wallstreet pb sweet deal soon ... kinda wondered about trying something other than os8.6 on it you know? |
| 13:53.56 | black_Nightmare | so...maybe debian it is.....dunno..will have to see :p |
| 13:54.10 | black_Nightmare | thain....you mind pms? I'm just curious for a few quick questions |
| 13:54.21 | Bor_Ed | it probably does run up to osx 10.3 |
| 13:54.24 | thain | Bor_Ed: that's what i've been reading, but it doesn't answer the question: how do i get the contents of the mklinux package installed properly. it just says "copy them" but it doesn't work for me because i don't know anything about working with macs. |
| 13:54.28 | Bor_Ed | I've got messages blocked |
| 13:54.39 | thain | black_Nightmare: pms? |
| 13:54.43 | Bor_Ed | thain: ouchie :) |
| 13:55.03 | black_Nightmare | bor_ed :p |
| 13:55.38 | Bor_Ed | thain: os 8.1 and up has stuffit extractor which unpacks the mklinux as well as any other .hqx , .sit and .bin package |
| 13:56.09 | thain | i got some trial version of stuffit expander for linux and extracted on the linux side. it's probably where i go wrong and it can't work properly. |
| 13:56.32 | Bor_Ed | yea, macos has some extra attributes on the hfs filesystem |
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| 13:57.54 | thain | i created a 64mb file, formatted it using hfsutils, mounted it via loopback device, extracted the mklinux loader to the mounted hfs dir, unmounted, burned the file to cd => doesn't work |
| 13:58.11 | black_Nightmare | hmm that reminds me..I knew a site explaining how to get ydl/debian (or compactible) onto a 6320 which is ratherly the similar thing since the 5200-6320 family were the same designs |
| 13:58.19 | black_Nightmare | let me see if I can find the bookmark for that again |
| 13:59.30 | Bor_Ed | thain: you need to have the mklinux on existing hfs/macos partition which is set to bootable in disk util |
| 14:03.24 | sktrdie | they should make a Flash driver for ppc |
| 14:03.41 | Bor_Ed | sktrdie: there is one... apt-get install swf-player |
| 14:03.55 | Bor_Ed | and another 'in works' |
| 14:05.06 | black_Nightmare | bo_red me just talking with thain in private now but anyhow when I'm done I'll paste the helpful bookmark I've found before |
| 14:05.30 | sktrdie | Bor_Ed: it works with Firefox? |
| 14:06.51 | flautist | Sorry, _rene_, got distracted. :P |
| 14:07.05 | flautist | Well, I'm having a problem with getting sound and networking to work in mol. |
| 14:07.23 | flautist | Their site said to just move the drivers included in the disk image into the extentions folder. |
| 14:07.35 | _rene_ | wow. what concrete :P |
| 14:07.42 | flautist | However, OS X is telling me that the extentions folder cannot be modified. :P |
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| 14:08.03 | _rene_ | uh? there's ainstall program, isn't there? |
| 14:08.15 | flautist | I ran that. |
| 14:08.38 | Bor_Ed | sktrdie: at least with mozilla-browser... it only supports macromedia 3 or 4 something |
| 14:09.51 | sktrdie | Bor_Ed: it's extremely buggy.. |
| 14:09.57 | sktrdie | my video is realoading |
| 14:10.14 | Bor_Ed | sktrdie: didn't say it's good... just said there is one :) |
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| 14:10.38 | sktrdie | eheh |
| 14:11.02 | flautist | It also gives me an odd error whenever I log in that says "An error is preventing you from logging in at this time." However, when I click ok, it logs in normally. |
| 14:11.12 | flautist | So I don't know if that's really a problem or not. |
| 14:12.14 | _rene_ | flautist: yeah, get that too. ignore it :) |
| 14:12.27 | flautist | okay |
| 14:12.46 | _rene_ | so, and what does *exactly* not work? |
| 14:14.34 | flautist | Well, I can't get on the internet, and I can't play mp3s. iTunes won't open them. |
| 14:15.00 | flautist | However, the mp3s thing could be a problem with the mp3s or with the computer in general because Debian won't play them, either. |
| 14:15.20 | sktrdie | flautist: install alsa |
| 14:15.21 | flautist | I just tried running the installer again... maybe I did something wrong the first time. :/ |
| 14:15.43 | _rene_ | flautist: did you configure your net right? |
| 14:15.52 | _rene_ | did you edit the net config file? |
| 14:16.45 | flautist | okay, still didn't work. |
| 14:16.56 | flautist | When I try to get on a site, it just says site cannot be found. |
| 14:17.00 | _rene_ | argl. I asked you something... |
| 14:17.08 | flautist | Is there any extra set-up that I have to do? |
| 14:17.09 | _rene_ | how diy ou configure your ip stuff inside mol? |
| 14:17.18 | _rene_ | did you edit the molrc.net file? |
| 14:17.49 | _rene_ | you need to enable the tun driver. then look what tunX you have when running mol |
| 14:18.04 | _rene_ | then give mac os x inside mol the right ip/gateway |
| 14:18.07 | flautist | ah, there would be the problem. I have no idea what you're talking about there. ;) |
| 14:18.12 | _rene_ | dns as normal from your provider |
| 14:18.59 | flautist | Is there a guide on how to do that? |
| 14:19.41 | flautist | sktrdie: Alsa is installed... did that last night. |
| 14:20.29 | flautist | I'm thinking the sound is working, I just don't have any sounds to test that because my mp3s are not working. :P |
| 14:20.32 | _rene_ | flautist: yes, the mol docu. I'd help you is you FUCKING WOULD ANSWER MY QUESTIONS |
| 14:20.35 | _rene_ | DAMNIT |
| 14:20.50 | flautist | What questions? |
| 14:20.57 | _rene_ | AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH |
| 14:21.04 | flautist | I just told you, I didn't know what you were talking about with all the networking stuff. |
| 14:21.04 | _rene_ | *shrugs* |
| 14:21.11 | flautist | That's why I just asked for a guide to it. |
| 14:21.21 | _rene_ | /etc/mol/molrc.net |
| 14:21.28 | _rene_ | uncomment the tun stuff there |
| 14:21.52 | _rene_ | start mol. look what tunX you have on a other console using ifconfig |
| 14:22.00 | _rene_ | save that in your brain |
| 14:23.09 | _rene_ | then look in /etc/mol/dhcp-mol.conf or something like that what mol'd give you if you'd run a dhcp (tun0 -> 142.1.x.x, tun1 -> 142.2.x.x) |
| 14:23.25 | _rene_ | add THAT and the gateeway to the mac os x network config |
| 14:23.31 | _rene_ | and as dns your normal dns |
| 14:23.58 | demon | 142? just fyi, that's not RFC 1918 space :) |
| 14:24.28 | _rene_ | uh, wtf did I smoke? |
| 14:24.33 | _rene_ | 192.41.x.x |
| 14:24.39 | _rene_ | 192.168.42.x.x of course |
| 14:24.41 | _rene_ | thanks :) |
| 14:24.50 | _rene_ | argöl |
| 14:24.55 | _rene_ | 192.168.41.x.x |
| 14:24.59 | _rene_ | 192.168.42.x.x |
| 14:25.00 | _rene_ | etc |
| 14:25.50 | _rene_ | flautist: and next time, please use your brain. this is quite easy to do if you read the docs and look at the config files |
| 14:26.36 | flautist | Not for someone who's a newbie to OS X, Linux, AND mol. |
| 14:26.44 | flautist | And networking, for that matter. |
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| 14:47.58 | Bor_Ed | g3/233 running at 267 and seems to be stable... got to try 300 in a bit :D |
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| 14:50.02 | black_Nightmare | bor_ed...umm is this debain on that G3? dumb question sorry LOL |
| 14:50.35 | Bor_Ed | Linux version 2.6.12 (root@g3) (gcc version 3.4.5 20050605 (prerelease) (Debian 3.4.4-0)) #1 Sun Jun 19 14:07:11 EEST 2005 |
| 14:50.43 | Bor_Ed | cat: /etc/debian_release: No such file or directory |
| 14:50.47 | Bor_Ed | cat: /etc/debian-release: No such file or directory |
| 14:50.52 | Bor_Ed | grmbl... well it is |
| 14:50.53 | black_Nightmare | anyway bor_ed and thain http://jupiterrise.com/comp/performa-install.html heres the instructions for installing to a 5200-6320 (which looks good to me) |
| 14:51.04 | Bor_Ed | so there ya go |
| 14:51.09 | black_Nightmare | bor_ed..how does debian feel like at 267mhz anyhow? |
| 14:51.17 | Bor_Ed | pretty much like with 233 |
| 14:51.36 | Bor_Ed | going to try FSB clocks a bit later if the box seems to stay stable with these settingds |
| 14:52.04 | Bor_Ed | hmm, cpu runs _hot_ |
| 14:52.50 | black_Nightmare | hmm ok....guess I'll perhaps try read on debian then see if I'll be wanting to try it on the 266mhz wallstreet anyway |
| 14:53.03 | Bor_Ed | shutting down seti helps it seems... buggr got to install the 586 heatsink/fan to the cpu board later |
| 14:57.16 | black_Nightmare | one quick question anyhow |
| 14:57.48 | black_Nightmare | could one do a sleep-to-hd on G3 powerbooks? |
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| 14:58.25 | black_Nightmare | just curious since I used to sometimes do it on my pc ubuntu tower .. nice to be able to save myself from having to go through all that linux bootup murks (no offense for that choice of word) you know :p |
| 14:59.42 | Bor_Ed | should be possible |
| 15:00.13 | black_Nightmare | ty... a wallstreet going into hd-sleep when not in use..that'll be great for when I don't or can't take an ac cable :p (especially in public) |
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| 15:24.08 | Bor_Ed | hmm, 300 MHz and running with no probs... bbias, trying 333 :D |
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| 15:30.24 | Bor_Ed | at least 315 still runs... with 10" fan cooling |
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| 15:44.08 | Bor_Ed | cpu : 740/750 |
| 15:44.09 | Bor_Ed | temperature : 29 C (uncalibrated) |
| 15:44.09 | Bor_Ed | clock : 332MHz |
| 15:44.11 | Bor_Ed | whoopee :D |
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| 16:39.03 | Bor_Ed | hmm, 315 MHz seems to be stable with temp running at 52°C ... that was a cheap upgrade (10 jumpers :) |
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| 16:53.13 | ErRandir | thats very neat |
| 16:53.52 | Bor_Ed | yup,paid investment back pretty fast |
| 16:54.21 | Bor_Ed | that's with start from 233MHz and 39°C |
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| 16:57.47 | Q-FUNK | Bor_Ed: are you coming down for Debian Day? |
| 16:59.59 | Bor_Ed | no can do :/ |
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| 20:45.17 | sktrdie | how do I setup the clock to always be synked with the real time |
| 20:46.09 | Bor_Ed | apt-get install ntpdate |
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| 21:11.15 | sktrdie | thnx that was easy |
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| 22:16.41 | abofaisal | Could anyone help me out with this issue? http://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/2005/07/msg00057.html |
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