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| 03:02.19 | RyuKojiro | oops |
| 03:02.21 | RyuKojiro | :P |
| 03:02.26 | RyuKojiro | wrong window |
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| 04:22.18 | abofaisal | What would be the best way to clone a Linux install on a DV iMac that has no other OS on it other than Linux? Would booting the machine into firewire mode and attaching another machine with OS X and carbon copy cloner do the trick? |
| 04:22.44 | kimo_sabe | abofaisal: CCC ain't gonna touch it |
| 04:23.01 | abofaisal | Hmm. So what should I do. |
| 04:23.33 | kimo_sabe | abofaisal: tar/netcat, boot the other one in firewire mode and copy stuff over would probably be easier |
| 04:23.35 | abofaisal | I have an external firewire drive handy.. and two other firewire capable macs running OS X |
| 04:23.56 | abofaisal | hmm.. still nothing better than a tar I gues |
| 04:23.57 | abofaisal | s |
| 04:24.04 | kimo_sabe | cp |
| 04:24.14 | kimo_sabe | abofaisal: nothing more is needed, there's no magic to it |
| 04:25.41 | abofaisal | i wouldn't use disk utility in OS X and just image the drive? |
| 04:25.44 | abofaisal | couldn't |
| 04:26.12 | kimo_sabe | abofaisal: maybe you could, but it would take a lot longer and take a lot more space |
| 04:30.13 | dagbrown | Boot one in firewire mode, boot the other one *off* the firewire-mode machine |
| 04:31.22 | kimo_sabe | dagbrown: Linux doesn't boot from firewire well. |
| 04:31.30 | kimo_sabe | boot the target in firewire target mode |
| 04:31.41 | abofaisal | i think he meant boot the iMac from one of the machines running OS X |
| 04:32.47 | abofaisal | Does Sarge work well out of the box with a Mac Mini? |
| 04:33.05 | abofaisal | I'm fixated on buying a mini just for Linux |
| 04:36.10 | kimo_sabe | abofaisal: no, no OSX, it's not going to do anything to help with Linux |
| 04:37.40 | abofaisal | i'm tempted to buy this 1.4ghz upgrade for my quicksilver... |
| 04:37.45 | abofaisal | or wait until pay day |
| 04:37.52 | abofaisal | tough decisions |
| 04:38.45 | dagbrown | abofaisal: Save up, get an XServe G5 to run Debian on. |
| 04:38.52 | abofaisal | hah |
| 04:39.30 | abofaisal | overkill for running my blog and handling dns and privoxy :) |
| 04:39.47 | abofaisal | my server is sitting on my kitchen table |
| 04:40.32 | abofaisal | i just hope when Macs finally go x86 the PPC distros aren't forgotten about |
| 04:40.33 | abofaisal | but.. |
| 04:40.46 | abofaisal | if Debian is maintaining 68k versions.. guess we should be safe |
| 04:41.00 | kimo_sabe | abofaisal: PPC distros will be fine, Mac stuff for PPC, not so much so |
| 04:41.30 | abofaisal | i always liked the idea that when macs become underpowered for OS X.. you always had linux options open... especially for portables |
| 04:41.35 | kimo_sabe | I for one ain't giving up my iBook until it completely dies :) |
| 04:42.01 | abofaisal | yeah.. my ibook will go to linux too when OS X is no longer supported on it |
| 04:42.11 | kimo_sabe | mine always has been Linux |
| 04:42.44 | abofaisal | I love linux for server stuff.. but still not seeing eye to eye quite yet on the desktop |
| 04:42.51 | kimo_sabe | I already upgraded the harddrive, so after 4 years the only problem is the backlight is getting a little sketchy |
| 04:43.08 | abofaisal | you have a clamshell? |
| 04:43.20 | kimo_sabe | first gen dual-usb |
| 04:43.26 | abofaisal | ah |
| 04:43.27 | abofaisal | 500mhz? |
| 04:43.31 | kimo_sabe | yup :) |
| 04:43.34 | kimo_sabe | feel the speed! |
| 04:43.36 | abofaisal | i'd probably have linux on it too |
| 04:43.40 | abofaisal | i have g3 800 |
| 04:43.48 | kimo_sabe | that's probably the biggest reason it doesn't boot into OSX much |
| 04:43.57 | abofaisal | i dunno |
| 04:44.08 | dagbrown | kimo_sabe: Oh come on, it's still booting OSX from the first time you tried it |
| 04:44.12 | kimo_sabe | I havn't even bothered to snag a copy of tiger and upgraded |
| 04:44.12 | abofaisal | I put OS X on this 400mhz imac before installing linux |
| 04:44.18 | dagbrown | You juse need to wait a few months longer. |
| 04:44.28 | abofaisal | and it wasn't slow really |
| 04:45.00 | kimo_sabe | desktops seem to fair better, probably mostly because of the better drives |
| 04:45.08 | abofaisal | yeah.. didn't factor that in |
| 04:46.26 | abofaisal | on the bright side though |
| 04:46.49 | abofaisal | by the time OS X doesn't run on my ibook.. linux should be pretty refined on that model |
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| 04:47.46 | abofaisal | assuming I still have it |
| 04:49.11 | abofaisal | when is sonnet gonna drop the price on this g4 1.4ghz upgrade from $399 to like $350 or something |
| 04:49.37 | abofaisal | wish I could splurge on duals |
| 04:51.00 | abofaisal | hmm.. mac mall has one for $365 |
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| 05:49.02 | kev009-43p | anyone here run MOL? |
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| 13:37.56 | os2finn | hi all |
| 13:38.05 | Bor_Ed | afternoon |
| 13:38.18 | os2finn | im trying to make DebianPPC image that works under Qemu |
| 13:38.27 | Bor_Ed | good luck :) |
| 13:38.45 | os2finn | and "regular" way of doing it is impossible |
| 13:39.25 | os2finn | what I have now is base.tar.gz unpacked to hd_image and I can boot from it |
| 13:39.58 | os2finn | but after boot it says: you are running an unconfigured system |
| 13:40.07 | Bor_Ed | #debian might have better knowledge on the installer internals |
| 13:42.12 | Bor_Ed | whaa :o apt is installing gcc 4.0 on upgrade :o |
| 13:47.20 | _rene_ | #debian? lol |
| 13:47.31 | _rene_ | Bor_Ed: yeah, 4.0 is default now |
| 13:47.41 | thain | ~ |
| 13:47.47 | thain | opps, sorry |
| 13:47.47 | _rene_ | which will break load of stuff for C++ :) |
| 13:47.47 | Bor_Ed | hmm, I wonder if I could remove the 2.96 already |
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| 14:01.34 | Bor_Ed | hrm, at least the glibc is still built with gcc 3.3 and can't be upgraded |
| 14:02.32 | _rene_ | glibc 2.3 won't build with 4.0 |
| 14:02.53 | Bor_Ed | so still some time to wait for speed increase in the sys |
| 14:03.05 | _rene_ | and the incompatible change is only for C++ (and m68k/hppa iirc, but that's no libc matter) |
| 14:03.19 | _rene_ | Bor_Ed: why do you think gcc-4.0 is faster? :) |
| 14:03.38 | Bor_Ed | not the 4.0 but perhaps 4.1 ... iirc ibm contributed some to it |
| 14:04.14 | demon | hah |
| 14:04.17 | demon | I hope it's not that long |
| 14:04.20 | Bor_Ed | 4.4 ? :D |
| 14:04.24 | Bor_Ed | I'd guess 5.x |
| 14:04.42 | demon | I'd like to see TLS/NPTL support for non-x86 arches soon, now that gcc 4.0 is in sid |
| 14:04.56 | demon | anyone know what the story is with that? |
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| 15:49.52 | Q-FUNK | am I the only one who fails to compile 2.6.11.12/ppc with gcc 4.0? |
| 15:51.02 | Bor_Ed | I'll try 2.6.12.whateverislatest during weekend here |
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