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| 00:24.22 | Memcmeme | this is a great project, I have been wondering though, what is the future of Linux on PPC now that apple is going X86?? When there are no more up to date PPC Macs will PPC based linux continue? |
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| 03:52.41 | deadcat | i got an error "vector: 700 pc=" when i reboot/shutdown my box. i have no clue whats up |
| 03:53.42 | simonrvn | stick it in google's search box |
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| 04:00.25 | flowtech | hm. did anyone happen to get dual-head output in xfree86 on a powerbook titanium going? |
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| 04:01.33 | simonrvn | pas moi |
| 04:02.42 | flowtech | ;*{ |
| 04:02.53 | flowtech | i'll give x.org a try now. |
| 04:03.02 | simonrvn | not having a pbook will do that ;) |
| 04:03.16 | flowtech | true ;-> |
| 04:03.33 | flowtech | but that thinggy is way to nice. i'll keep it. |
| 04:03.58 | flowtech | i might have a presentation in a couple of month and until then i need to get this thing going. damned |
| 04:04.35 | flowtech | what do you think? should i get the backported x.org or build my own? |
| 04:05.59 | deadcat | i have having problem with X/Xorg on the ibook. shutdown/reboot is hanging my box |
| 04:16.05 | flowtech | deadcat: you're running sid? |
| 04:27.09 | deadcat | flowtech: ya. with xorg |
| 04:27.19 | deadcat | flowtech: my current solution is DONT reboot/shutdown (= |
| 04:27.35 | simonrvn | or quit x first, then shutdown maybe |
| 04:29.18 | deadcat | simonrvn: nope. same problem |
| 04:31.55 | simonrvn | *shrug*, just a thought |
| 04:32.13 | deadcat | i am guessing xorg is the problem |
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| 04:33.06 | simonrvn | weird, since both on x86 and ppc before i haven't had many problems. with -2, my xterm fonts are fucked (clipped on the right-hand side) |
| 04:33.26 | simonrvn | the bold fonts, regular fonts are ok. could be zsh too |
| 04:36.15 | deadcat | simonrvn: you on xorg too? |
| 04:36.40 | simonrvn | yeh. on x86. ppc too, but not using it right now |
| 04:37.25 | deadcat | simonrvn: you know transset and xcompmgr will be hitting sid? |
| 04:38.04 | deadcat | simonrvn: also i have to use Option "MergedFB" "true" in xorg.conf in order to use vga out. |
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| 04:40.31 | kimo_sabe | MergedFB allows DRI, right? |
| 04:43.29 | deadcat | kimo_sabe: dri? glx? |
| 04:43.46 | deadcat | glxgears only giving me 65fps (= |
| 04:43.53 | kimo_sabe | deadcat: yeah |
| 04:44.05 | deadcat | ya. but only 65fps right now |
| 04:44.47 | deadcat | kimo_sabe: i dont really care about glx. i rather be able to reboot, and vga is working atleast. |
| 04:45.38 | kimo_sabe | deadcat: well, I'm curious because I have to give up DRI to do dual monitor on one of my work systems |
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| 04:47.19 | deadcat | kimo_sabe: ah. |
| 04:47.43 | deadcat | xine doesnt show anything on the external monitory when i play a video. mplayer works but mplayer is lagging like hell because of the glx maybe? |
| 04:48.16 | kimo_sabe | nah, not GLX, that's the overlay I think |
| 04:48.38 | kimo_sabe | mplayer is probably lagging because it defaults to stupid/slow mode. |
| 04:48.51 | deadcat | oh |
| 04:49.21 | deadcat | kimo_sabe: where do i config that? .mplayer/config or gui.conf? |
| 04:49.57 | kimo_sabe | deadcat: mplayer has a config file? |
| 04:50.11 | deadcat | kimo_sabe: then how i do it? |
| 04:50.29 | kimo_sabe | mplayer -vo xv should suck less, but you'll have the same problem with it only showing up on one screen |
| 04:51.41 | deadcat | kimo_sabe: same thing. this is really bad |
| 04:52.08 | deadcat | must be the glx fps related |
| 04:52.34 | kimo_sabe | mplayer shouldn't be touching glx |
| 04:53.30 | deadcat | xine works now. i set the video to opengl |
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| 06:42.15 | Leon_ | does anyone know the package name for digestmd5? |
| 06:42.33 | deadcat | Leon_: apt-cache search |
| 06:42.58 | Leon_ | did it, but it doesnt exist |
| 06:43.13 | Leon_ | maybe it is depreceated |
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| 07:09.58 | simonrvn | probably md5sum or such... |
| 07:13.23 | DelTree | never eared of digestmd5... :) |
| 07:14.34 | simonrvn | maybe if he was clear on what he was looking for... but oh well |
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| 14:39.20 | Bor_Ed | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS4984678352.html smallest ever board running debian linux... too bad it's an arm |
| 14:43.50 | simonrvn | still neat shit |
| 14:44.04 | simonrvn | :) |
| 14:44.39 | Bor_Ed | yup... neatest thing imo is that it doesn't require uclinux.... now just to wait for similar board with powerquicc or some other embedded ppc |
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| 14:44.58 | Bor_Ed | price tag on the arm is correct at least... 175 usd for 166MHz board :) |
| 14:46.08 | simonrvn | not bad little puppy |
| 14:46.30 | simonrvn | low power, nice punch, makes for a nice router |
| 14:46.35 | Bor_Ed | nope... buggr closest similar ones are mips64 and run uclinux |
| 14:46.52 | Bor_Ed | and price is couple of 100's of bucks more |
| 14:52.11 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: instead of ARM it should be [...]? |
| 14:53.07 | Bor_Ed | arm is nice arch too but I really don't get the 32/16 bit mixed command set it has |
| 14:53.32 | mirak | hi |
| 14:53.39 | Bor_Ed | bonjour |
| 14:53.55 | mirak | between a G3 400mhz and a G4 350mhz, which one is the "best" |
| 14:54.00 | mirak | Bor_Ed: salut mec |
| 14:54.18 | simonrvn | @best |
| 14:54.18 | ravenbird | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! |
| 14:54.20 | mirak | it seems the G4 supports udma4 for ide |
| 14:54.36 | mirak | I didn't say best, I said "best" |
| 14:54.40 | mirak | :) |
| 14:54.43 | Bor_Ed | g3/400 might be a bit faster cpu... though g4/350 has altivec unit and could be faster on multimedia |
| 14:54.47 | simonrvn | nitpicking ;p |
| 14:55.08 | mirak | ok |
| 14:55.14 | mirak | by the way it have AGP |
| 14:55.30 | mirak | I really hope I can do a media box with this one ^^ |
| 14:55.36 | Bor_Ed | agp 1/2 X compared to pci... hmm, they don't have much diff in the speed |
| 14:55.50 | simonrvn | i'd go for the g4 if you do a lot of cpu intensive stuff |
| 14:55.53 | mirak | yep but I have a reage 128 with TV OUT |
| 14:55.56 | Bor_Ed | I have g3/315 with pci graphics as media box |
| 14:56.07 | Bor_Ed | rage128 GS graphics |
| 14:56.48 | mirak | Bor_Ed: I can play divx with it, but dvd I can't exepted on OS X wich I guess support mpeg2 hardware playing from the ATI graphic card |
| 14:57.10 | mirak | with some coma's ... |
| 14:57.15 | mirak | comas |
| 14:57.28 | mirak | Bor_Ed: what can you do with it ? |
| 14:57.38 | mirak | what are you doing |
| 14:57.54 | Bor_Ed | hmm, I can play divx's on this one as well as play the normal mp3/ogg stuff, surf and so on |
| 14:58.24 | mirak | with wich player ? |
| 14:58.30 | Bor_Ed | mplayer |
| 14:58.39 | Bor_Ed | and ogg123 and mpg123 |
| 14:58.41 | mirak | it seems for me that only gxine supports xv and hardware scalling |
| 14:59.07 | mirak | you play on the frame buffer ? |
| 14:59.14 | Bor_Ed | haven't even tested xine... only mplayer and vlc |
| 14:59.33 | Bor_Ed | I've tried the fbdev but it doesn't seem to work for me... prolly have to tune a bit |
| 14:59.45 | mirak | well stangely xine doesn't work with xv for me |
| 14:59.55 | mirak | I mean I really get a huge performance difference with gxine |
| 15:00.31 | mirak | by the way I changed the power supply |
| 15:00.43 | Bor_Ed | I overclocked this box ~35% :D |
| 15:00.44 | mirak | I put an antec true power 330 |
| 15:01.10 | mirak | that's really silent now |
| 15:01.29 | Bor_Ed | I still have the stock 200W apple psu... it doesn't give much noise either |
| 15:01.37 | mirak | I also use 7Volts for the intern fan instead of the 12V so now it's slower and make less noise |
| 15:01.57 | mirak | now that's dead silent |
| 15:01.58 | Bor_Ed | I don't have the internal fan even running... just the one that's on the psu |
| 15:02.11 | mirak | ok I wasn't sure if it was ok to remove it |
| 15:02.22 | mirak | why did apple put so much fans in it ? |
| 15:02.31 | mirak | I mean it doesn't go heat |
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| 15:02.38 | Bor_Ed | to keep the sys as cool as possible... though ppc doesn't give much heat |
| 15:02.46 | mirak | exept G5 |
| 15:02.48 | mirak | :) |
| 15:02.49 | Bor_Ed | it's prolly for the reliability |
| 15:02.54 | mirak | ok |
| 15:02.59 | mirak | it's true |
| 15:03.05 | mirak | I cramed to PC motherboard |
| 15:03.21 | mirak | one really cramed with a white cloud |
| 15:03.32 | mirak | white smoke |
| 15:03.50 | Bor_Ed | mmm :) |
| 15:04.33 | simonrvn | you let the magic smoke out |
| 15:04.49 | Bor_Ed | yea... buggrs tend to stop working if you let that out... |
| 15:05.08 | Bor_Ed | my built frequency converted had that destiny today... nice *kaboom* in test run :D |
| 15:05.25 | Bor_Ed | converter that is |
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| 15:10.18 | mirak | some tweak are needed to put a ATX power supply |
| 15:10.28 | mirak | just two wires needs to be removed |
| 15:10.39 | Bor_Ed | nope... just change of jumper setting on this board |
| 15:11.01 | mirak | I didn't find this info |
| 15:11.05 | dk0r_ | anyone setup wireless-tools before? |
| 15:11.24 | mirak | Bor_Ed: I found a site were a guys try to fit a G3 into an ATX case |
| 15:11.25 | mirak | lol |
| 15:11.35 | Bor_Ed | mirak: I know the site |
| 15:12.41 | mirak | why ? it's you ? |
| 15:12.42 | mirak | :p |
| 15:13.58 | Bor_Ed | nope :I |
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| 16:18.53 | Bor_Ed | WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! |
| 16:18.53 | Bor_Ed | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:18.53 | Bor_Ed | Install these packages without verification [y/N]? y |
| 16:18.54 | Bor_Ed | wee :D |
| 16:20.00 | simonrvn | yeh, just hasn't signed Release |
| 16:20.07 | simonrvn | (Release.gpg) |
| 16:20.09 | Curalton | Bor_Ed: i have that too since i mixed by debian with some ubuntu repository packages |
| 16:20.22 | Curalton | cant i just disable gpg checking? |
| 16:20.33 | Curalton | the typical preferences entry didnt work :/ |
| 16:22.29 | dk0r | simonrvn: any experience configuring wifi? i have all my info, essid,ap mac,chann etc. Just dont know where to put it |
| 16:22.42 | simonrvn | no |
| 16:22.46 | dk0r | :) |
| 16:22.47 | dk0r | k |
| 16:22.50 | simonrvn | NFC |
| 16:22.54 | simonrvn | @nfc |
| 16:22.54 | dk0r | NFC ? |
| 16:22.54 | ravenbird | well, nfc is No Fucking Clue |
| 16:23.23 | dk0r | F***ing * |
| 16:23.29 | dk0r | thanks anyways |
| 16:23.39 | simonrvn | gimme access to a box, and a few hours, and i could probably get something working ;) |
| 16:23.54 | dk0r | a few hours?! |
| 16:24.40 | dk0r | how do i set static ip in linux? |
| 16:24.41 | simonrvn | well yeh, i gotta do the research |
| 16:24.56 | dk0r | simonrvn: you just use wireless-tools |
| 16:25.00 | dk0r | i have all the information to input |
| 16:25.04 | dk0r | just dont know where to input it to |
| 16:25.12 | simonrvn | uh, there's more to it than that |
| 16:25.40 | simonrvn | always. unless there's a script that automates it, but i'm never quite happy with that, i have to get my hands dirty |
| 16:26.40 | dk0r | how can i find the manual that came with the "wireless-tools" pkg ? |
| 16:28.03 | dk0r | i downloaded firefox for linux. how do I install it? |
| 16:29.06 | simonrvn | dpkg -L <packagename> |
| 16:29.27 | dk0r | dpkgh ? |
| 16:29.33 | dk0r | download package? |
| 16:29.39 | simonrvn | no |
| 16:29.39 | dk0r | whats the -L for? |
| 16:29.43 | simonrvn | man dpkg |
| 16:30.35 | Bor_Ed | Curalton: I haven't messed with ubuntu |
| 16:32.16 | Curalton | dk0r: ifconfig |
| 16:32.21 | Curalton | dk0r: err, doh, iwconfig |
| 16:32.29 | Curalton | dk0r: iwconfig essid "name" eth1 (iirc) |
| 16:32.36 | Curalton | dk0r: the manpage should explain it |
| 16:33.20 | Curalton | Bor_Ed: oh, so. how to disable it anyhow? |
| 16:35.21 | Bor_Ed | Curalton: no idea :I |
| 16:35.26 | Curalton | gnaaaaa :) |
| 16:35.34 | Curalton | dk0r: static ip is just ipconfig eth1 <ip> |
| 16:48.10 | Bor_Ed | hmm, finally xorg on sid |
| 16:48.39 | Bor_Ed | I wonder what all it breaks :) |
| 16:48.52 | xzakox | hahahah |
| 16:48.55 | xzakox | it works for me |
| 16:49.18 | furrywolf_ | probably not nearly as much as $@!%! lilo upgrade from woody to sarge broke on my laptop. :P |
| 16:49.25 | xzakox | but there is no debian menu on gnome 2.10! |
| 16:49.42 | simonrvn | X -version |
| 16:49.42 | simonrvn | X Window System Version 6.8.2 (Debian 6.8.2.dfsg.1-2 20050712162020 david@squee.verizon.net) |
| 16:49.43 | Bor_Ed | what gnome ? :P |
| 16:50.21 | Bor_Ed | I used to have some gnome 1.2 or so on the k6 back in late 90''s... haven't tried it since that |
| 16:50.27 | simonrvn | X -version |
| 16:50.27 | simonrvn | X Window System Version 6.8.2 (Debian 6.8.2.dfsg.1-2 20050713060645 root@voltaire.debian.org) |
| 16:51.12 | Bor_Ed | simonrvn: what's up with the builders ? :o |
| 16:51.26 | Bor_Ed | ahh, debian build is newer |
| 16:51.37 | simonrvn | oh, first one was an x86, the other a ppc. unofficial and official |
| 16:51.49 | Bor_Ed | yea |
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| 17:02.34 | Bor_Ed | hrm, just removed every mesa/opengl based app and forgot to install xbase-clients for xorg... yay for apt deps :P |
| 17:02.42 | Bor_Ed | piece of cake that update :) |
| 17:04.27 | simonrvn | oh, yeh, great for clearing HDD space ;p |
| 17:05.03 | Bor_Ed | yea, only ~250 megs cleared though :D |
| 17:05.21 | Bor_Ed | the xbase-clients though was a bit of a suprise :o |
| 17:06.16 | simonrvn | yeh, that shouldn't have gone... the deps are all fucked |
| 17:06.49 | Bor_Ed | well, that's the pay from using 'sid' ... inexperienced users hopefully won't have to touch it ever :) |
| 17:07.13 | simonrvn | they do anyway... *sigh* |
| 17:07.27 | simonrvn | esp. after a release, sid gets *very* unstable |
| 17:07.31 | simonrvn | same for testing |
| 17:07.34 | Bor_Ed | well, there's nowadays gentoo too you know... it'll get some of the n00bs :P |
| 17:07.39 | simonrvn | (though less) |
| 17:07.59 | simonrvn | gentoo is for people with new hardware |
| 17:08.05 | simonrvn | and only one machine |
| 17:08.07 | Bor_Ed | and new to linux :) |
| 17:08.21 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 17:08.40 | simonrvn | or people curious about this strange distro |
| 17:09.07 | Bor_Ed | I did LFS to x86 lappie before the project existed... and used every possible unstable tarball I could get my hands on :D |
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| 17:10.42 | simonrvn | now i have the luxury of having more than one linux box to test s/w on before i install it to the servers ;) |
| 17:11.38 | Bor_Ed | I have 2 boxen and wife has sarge/x86 box |
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| 17:27.16 | simonrvn | 3 linux, 2 servers, 1 desktop, 1 mock os (still... she's stubborn ;) |
| 17:29.35 | Bor_Ed | I have mockos on server and desktop, thanks to apple OF which doesn't let me unfuck the settings in linux |
| 17:31.36 | simonrvn | :| |
| 17:31.55 | Bor_Ed | well, if I get linuxbios or u--boot someday, it'll be fixed :D |
| 17:32.09 | Bor_Ed | at least the ibm106 nb and apple sb should be supported by bouth |
| 17:32.15 | simonrvn | yeh :D |
| 17:32.16 | Bor_Ed | both even... grmbl |
| 17:33.05 | Bor_Ed | it'd meant that the box would move finally to plexiglas case too then... wouldn't stand a bit watching the ugly :P apple case |
| 17:34.27 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 17:34.55 | Bor_Ed | oh well, maybe the mai board is affordable when I start such hacking |
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| 18:38.27 | Bor_Ed | hmm, seems that several apps are broken agains xorg too... like xcircuit :I |
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| 19:27.13 | saigon | Hello. |
| 19:33.36 | simonrvn | yeh :| |
| 19:34.09 | Bor_Ed | oh well, couple of weeks and first round of compiles is done I'd guess... after that I'll consider dropping a report |
| 19:36.02 | saigon | Does anybody of you have a G4 Windtunnel? |
| 19:37.01 | dk0r | does anyone know how to turn off the trackpad tapping? |
| 19:37.07 | dk0r | its getting verrrry annoying. |
| 19:37.17 | dk0r | whenever i touch the trackpad it clicks |
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| 19:50.54 | simonrvn | touchpad notap |
| 19:51.11 | simonrvn | @notap |
| 19:51.18 | simonrvn | @listkeys notap |
| 19:51.20 | ravenbird | Factoid search of 'notap' by key returned no results. |
| 19:51.26 | simonrvn | @listvals notap |
| 19:51.28 | ravenbird | Factoid search of 'notap' by value (1): hide yourself. |
| 19:51.38 | simonrvn | @hide yourself |
| 19:51.38 | ravenbird | /nick notapt |
| 19:51.52 | simonrvn | @factinfo hide yourself |
| 19:51.52 | ravenbird | hide yourself -- it has been requested 2 times, last by simonrvn, 14s ago. |
| 19:52.12 | simonrvn | ugh, it's that old... the very old ones don't even have a date |
| 19:56.55 | pahartik | dk0r: "trackpad notap" |
| 19:56.55 | Curalton | mouseemu is even better |
| 19:57.03 | Curalton | yet is messes up pbbuttonsd |
| 19:57.38 | Curalton | ah, clicking disabeling isnt in it yet, nvm, it just disables the touchpad while typing |
| 19:59.48 | pahartik | dk0r: and if one defines "TPMode" in "/etc/pbbuttonsd.conf", it will be set after waking up from sleep |
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| 20:22.13 | dk0r | and it didnt work |
| 20:23.52 | dk0r | pahartik: what did u mean "trackpad notap" |
| 20:23.56 | dk0r | where should that be entered? |
| 20:25.09 | pahartik | dk0r: shell... usually in form such as "sudo trackpad notap" |
| 20:27.03 | Curalton | dk0r: you have to restart ppbuttonsd for it to work |
| 20:28.38 | simonrvn | @trackpad notap is <reply>If your trackpad is getting on your nerves, don't forget to do trackpad notap to turn tapping off. It's found in pbbuttonsd. Also take a look at mouseemu. apt-get install pbbuttonsd mouseemu |
| 20:28.39 | ravenbird | simonrvn: okay |
| 20:29.10 | pahartik | Curalton: "sudo /etc/init.d/pbbuttonsd restart" |
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| 20:56.21 | Curalton | pahartik: i think you mean dk0r :) |
| 20:57.42 | dk0r | wow! |
| 20:57.46 | dk0r | im popular round here tonight |
| 20:57.53 | dk0r | heh. seems i hit a good topic :) |
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| 22:55.20 | Curalton | ah great, what is the "route -n", i.e. just display equivalent of bsd/osx route? |
| 22:55.23 | Curalton | its not "route get" as the manpage might mean |
| 23:23.16 | dk0rrr | anyone use expose' feature in osx? and seen similiar for linux? |
| 23:27.14 | jao | dk0rrr, look for skippy |
| 23:28.34 | Curalton | still wont be possible until Xorg incorporates some Xgl stuff |
| 23:28.48 | Curalton | though i heard next suse release will have an aqua-featurelike X |