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| 05:00.58 | xbaez | someone has probe the dlink dwl-g122 usb wireless adapter in an ibook with linux ? |
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| 05:18.11 | sonne | xbaez, do you own one ? |
| 05:18.25 | sonne | as I've heard it is a prism3 chipset ? |
| 05:19.49 | xbaez | sonne i think is prism3 but i'm not sure |
| 05:19.57 | xbaez | sonne i want to buy one |
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| 05:53.29 | sonne | xbaez, me too :) |
| 05:54.04 | sonne | as I've read that prism2/2.5/3 is very well supported |
| 06:21.47 | xbaez | sonne damn ! the chipset its not the same |
| 06:21.55 | xbaez | the chipset is rt2599usb |
| 06:26.36 | sonne | xbaez, but that is a different oen ? isn't this a 54Mbit card ? |
| 06:26.53 | sonne | there is a project for this but it is very alpha IIRC |
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| 06:35.42 | xbaez | yes is not teh same driver to work and in fact i not sure if the new model works in linux |
| 06:35.57 | xbaez | yes is 54Mbit |
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| 07:08.44 | sonne | xbaez, maybe the one I am talking about has no ist called dwl-w122 ? not sure |
| 07:09.48 | xbaez | mmh yes |
| 07:10.06 | xbaez | the one that i am talking is dwl-g122 |
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| 07:28.25 | sonne | not a good idea then :/ |
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| 11:45.04 | Q-FUNK | Anybody ever noticed issues with CDRW media on PPC? |
| 11:51.27 | demon | er... no, can't say I have |
| 11:51.36 | demon | like, writing it? reading it? |
| 11:52.46 | Q-FUNK | reading |
| 11:53.09 | Q-FUNK | I cannot even get the original CDRW with Woody on it that I used to setup this iMac a couple of years ago. |
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| 11:53.37 | Q-FUNK | perssing and holding C keeps on returning me to the OF prompt. |
| 11:55.06 | Q-FUNK | I even got OF to report a bunch of errors when trying to read the Woody install CDRW I previously used to setup Debian on this box. |
| 11:55.58 | Q-FUNK | I'm just wondering what could cause this. |
| 11:56.25 | Q-FUNK | Could it be that OF ended up broken for some reason? |
| 11:57.05 | Q-FUNK | When trying to mount the same CDRW under Linux, I get an error the that the CD's toc cannot be found. |
| 11:57.35 | demon | are you sure it's not just a physical problem with the drive? |
| 11:57.41 | Q-FUNK | Yet mounting it on my i386 hosts works. |
| 11:58.17 | Q-FUNK | If it's the drive, then why can non-rewritable media be read just fine? |
| 11:58.39 | johill | cdr or cdrom? |
| 11:58.49 | Q-FUNK | both |
| 11:58.54 | johill | cdrw are somewhat out of spec, I think |
| 11:59.06 | demon | because CD-RW, CD-R and pressed CD discs have somewhat divergent optical properties |
| 11:59.06 | johill | less reflection or something? |
| 11:59.19 | Q-FUNK | I have a CDR with an even older Debian on it, which can be read fine, and some commercial pressed CDs too, which also can be read fine. |
| 11:59.23 | demon | yeah, the burned media has a much lower reflectivity |
| 11:59.57 | johill | I'm not sure how much different cdrw and cdr are though, but I know they can be different -- I have a cd player that refuses (most?) cdrws |
| 12:00.06 | demon | well, different burned discs have different reflectivity levels... how old is the drive? |
| 12:00.07 | Q-FUNK | interesting |
| 12:00.45 | demon | perhaps the semiconductor laser is just aging, and not putting out as much coherent light as it once did |
| 12:00.50 | Q-FUNK | It still puzzles me that this CDRW is the exact same I used to install Debian on this machine a couple of years ago. I worked back then, on the same drive. Why would it fail now? |
| 12:01.06 | demon | because it's hardware, and hardware does age |
| 12:01.08 | Q-FUNK | s/i/it |
| 12:01.28 | Q-FUNK | and all this because of a CDRW's different reflectivity? |
| 12:01.39 | demon | yep. |
| 12:01.44 | Q-FUNK | interesting. |
| 12:01.45 | johill | because it's lower, so you need more power to read it |
| 12:01.53 | Q-FUNK | ok |
| 12:02.04 | Q-FUNK | you learn something new every day. :) |
| 12:05.48 | demon | yeah, a CD drive has many components that wear out |
| 12:06.02 | Q-FUNK | can this be affected by how many writes took place on the media too? |
| 12:06.04 | demon | the spindle motor, the stepper motor, the focusing motor |
| 12:06.20 | demon | the lens can ccollect dust or change shape from heat or whatever |
| 12:06.22 | Q-FUNK | I would have expected all moving parts to wear out, but not the laser. |
| 12:06.54 | demon | well, the lens isn't really a moving part, but it wears |
| 12:07.16 | demon | and the laser ages too... eventually it doesn't produce as much light as it once did |
| 12:07.25 | Q-FUNK | that could explain it. |
| 12:07.57 | demon | yeah, I would imagine a CD-RW being burned, wiped and re-burned multiple times would make it harder to read for an older drive |
| 12:08.20 | Q-FUNK | Or at least, it would explain why CDR and pressed CDs (which are essentially the same) all work, but CDRW doesn anymore. |
| 12:09.41 | demon | well, you might also run across certain CD-Rs that it will fail to read... different brands/quality media have different reflectivity properties, and the lower the reflectivity, the harder it will be for the drive to read |
| 12:10.53 | Q-FUNK | right. |
| 12:11.04 | Q-FUNK | makes sense, now that I think about it. |
| 12:30.52 | DarkNoise | hi, does anyone have an iso of os 9.1 that works? |
| 12:31.21 | foobar` | ahmm every apple reseller has os9.2 and os9.1 |
| 12:31.41 | DarkNoise | yeah, they do |
| 12:31.56 | foobar` | i think you can grab os9 at the apple onlinestore too |
| 12:32.14 | DarkNoise | yeah, you probably can |
| 12:33.14 | foobar` | so i think publishing iso images of apple's copyrighted os, isn't the goal auf debianppc |
| 12:33.59 | DarkNoise | its more than likley not |
| 12:34.25 | foobar` | ôÔ |
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| 13:42.32 | nosfe | hi, i've been trying to install debian on a g4 powermac, but the cd doesn't boot in it. the cd does boot in my ibook, so i know it works. i guess i need to do something in open firmware to get this powermac to boot from that cd,could anyone give me a hint on that? |
| 13:46.40 | Q-FUNK | nosfe: tried holding C during powerup? |
| 13:47.10 | Q-FUNK | nosfe: another question is, did you burn it to CDRW instead of CDR, by any chance? |
| 13:48.17 | nosfe | i did hold c down. no it's not cdrw. |
| 13:49.14 | Q-FUNK | hm |
| 13:57.34 | nosfe | uhm. ok, 'boot cd1:,install\yaboot' in OF prompt managed to load yaboot |
| 13:57.40 | nosfe | but, yaboot says this: |
| 13:57.51 | nosfe | Can't open device (cd:0) |
| 13:58.30 | nosfe | cd:2,/install/powerpc/vmlinux: unable to open file, invalid device |
| 14:02.18 | demon | er... cd:2? |
| 14:02.44 | nosfe | yeah.. |
| 14:03.08 | demon | what happens if you type 'dir cd:,\\' at the OF prompt? |
| 14:06.35 | nosfe | hmmh.. the drive was as slave, and i changed it to master. now it loads yaboot from the cd, and boots the kernel! |
| 14:07.15 | demon | ah |
| 14:07.26 | demon | yeah |
| 14:07.38 | demon | the device aliases are hardcoded in OpenFirmware |
| 14:07.54 | demon | so if you change the logical position of the device in the tree, the aliases won't work |
| 14:08.20 | demon | (master -> slave is enough) |
| 14:09.54 | nosfe | well, good that it boots now. now i have to figure out if i can get some hard drive to work |
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| 14:32.46 | simonrvn | nosfe: what cd is this? |
| 14:33.50 | nosfe | sarge |
| 14:34.51 | simonrvn | the 3.1a or whatever? |
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| 14:35.51 | simonrvn | i.e., the most recent iso image |
| 14:41.27 | nosfe | it's the most recent |
| 14:41.32 | nosfe | downloaded it yesterday |
| 14:41.33 | simonrvn | ok |
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| 14:55.24 | foobar` | ahm i have a problem with debian stable and my ibook g4 |
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| 14:56.06 | foobar` | if i want to change the resolution to 1024x768 the screen shows me only some stribes |
| 14:56.13 | foobar` | and the mouseicon |
| 14:57.55 | simonrvn | your sync rates are probably off, or your using the wrong res |
| 14:58.56 | foobar` | hmm 1024x768 at 60Hz? |
| 15:00.54 | foobar` | i think that this should work, but it doesn't |
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| 15:08.51 | simonrvn | need to figure it out then. how have you been editing the x config? |
| 15:09.03 | musasabi | What is the correct way to burn a cd from an Apple HFS volume preserving the resource forks under Debian? The volume is larger than 650mb so it cannot be used directly - but contains only 200mb of data so fitting it on a cd is not a problem. |
| 15:09.50 | simonrvn | man mkisofs look for hybrid IIRC |
| 15:13.50 | foobar` | simonrvn, i tried to change the resolution via the gnome tool "screenresolution/bildschirmauflösung" |
| 15:19.33 | musasabi | thanks, that seems to actually work. |
| 15:22.44 | simonrvn | oh, you probably can't do that, since it's an lcd, on a lappy on top of that. AFAICR, they have a fixed res, and won't work at any other res |
| 15:22.55 | simonrvn | you should have said that |
| 15:28.20 | Q-FUNK | well, it seems that it indeed is an old and tired CD drive. CDRW fails to read but CDR works. |
| 15:29.01 | simonrvn | yeh, it happens. usually the laser goes poof first, or the circuit board or contacts need cleaning, or some other shit like that |
| 15:29.28 | simonrvn | does this: www.lakotaperspectives.com resolve for anyone? |
| 15:29.42 | simonrvn | i tried several NSes, and all say the same thing: nothing |
| 15:31.25 | foobar` | simonrvn, do i have to change resolution via xfree86 config? |
| 15:31.42 | simonrvn | please read what i said |
| 15:32.45 | foobar` | ahm the iBook G4 Display supports 640x480, 800x600 and 1024x768 Pixels at 60Hz |
| 15:33.29 | simonrvn | ok, so it should work, *technically* |
| 15:33.37 | foobar` | what i say :) |
| 15:33.59 | foobar` | i think i give it a try to change the res direct via the xfree config |
| 15:34.14 | foobar` | but can't remember where to find it |
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| 15:37.01 | simonrvn | do it via dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 not direct edit, unless you've edited it already |
| 15:38.33 | foobar` | i thin "ati" is the correct driver for an ati radreon9200 |
| 15:41.15 | Q-FUNK | it probably is the lens. the drive is similar to the laptop drives where the lens is integrated in the tray and becomes exposed to dust whenever opening the tray to insert a media. |
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| 18:45.17 | Q-FUNK | pahartik: does Alpha support El Torito boot images? |
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| 18:55.49 | Q-FUNK | pahartik: if it does, I might be able to squeeze it on the same multiarch netinst CD |
| 18:57.21 | pahartik | Q-FUNK: i do not have decent SRM documentation |
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| 19:36.07 | Q-FUNK | http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:wA5nog21OoYJ:www.at.openbsd.org/alpha.html+alpha+kernel+el+torito&hl=fi |
| 19:36.26 | Q-FUNK | according to this, ElTorito on alpha at least works for OpenBSD |
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| 20:49.14 | os2finn | evening all |
| 20:49.25 | simonrvn | hi |
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| 21:02.04 | knuxles | hi |
| 21:02.33 | knuxles | anyone who wants to elp a novice install debian on ibook g4? :) |
| 21:02.44 | simonrvn | @install guide |
| 21:02.44 | ravenbird | for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual ; sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual ; sid: /msg ravenbird iyhtays. |
| 21:02.55 | simonrvn | start with that. any troubles, come here to ask |
| 21:03.08 | knuxles | I used debian for my pc before |
| 21:03.22 | knuxles | but I have some major and minor doubts in my mind |
| 21:03.39 | knuxles | I want to ask some questions before installing debian on ibook |
| 21:03.52 | simonrvn | so ask them, please don't ask to ask |
| 21:04.54 | knuxles | first of all can I install it in a seperate partition without corrupting existing Tiger installation? |
| 21:05.18 | knuxles | like I did with XP and Debian on my existing pc |
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| 21:05.36 | simonrvn | this is covered in the installation guide |
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| 21:06.43 | knuxles | so you say " go and explore yourself" I suppose. O.k then |
| 21:07.07 | knuxles | But I have some other questions about Debian on ppc |
| 21:07.17 | simonrvn | no, i'm saying go and read that, then come back if you have problems |
| 21:07.50 | knuxles | I read in a forum that some users face some problems with wireless cards and debian |
| 21:08.02 | knuxles | have you ever encountered with something like that? |
| 21:08.28 | simonrvn | depends what kind of airport. extreme won't work, 'normal' airport will. you use an usb wifi card for that |
| 21:08.40 | simonrvn | blam broadcom for being assholes |
| 21:09.01 | simonrvn | (i.e., they haven't released spec to write a driver for them) |
| 21:09.34 | knuxles | o.k then , last question comes now |
| 21:10.37 | knuxles | I have got 1 ghz ibook g4 with standart 256 mb ram. It has got some speed and stability problems with Mac OS X due to lack of ram. Does it make any worse for Debian? |
| 21:11.00 | knuxles | I have got 1 ghz ibook g4 with standart 256 mb ram. It has got some speed and stability problems with Mac OS X due to lack of ram. Does it make any worse for Debian? |
| 21:11.11 | simonrvn | no, it's not such a hog, especially if you use something lightweight like xfce4 |
| 21:11.20 | knuxles | sorry for repeating same question twice. some kind of lag problem :( |
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| 21:11.45 | simonrvn | better not to repeat, chances are we saw it already ;) |
| 21:12.03 | simonrvn | unless you got disconnected, then you ask people what they *did* see |
| 21:12.19 | simonrvn | they'll tell you, and then you can re-post what was missed |
| 21:12.38 | knuxles | thanks for the advise help simon |
| 21:12.45 | knuxles | also thanks a lot for the help |
| 21:12.49 | simonrvn | np |
| 21:13.12 | knuxles | I'll try to install Sid on my ibook now, maybe after reading some manual :) |
| 21:13.45 | simonrvn | good. should be easy... like i said, come back here if you have troubles, and others can help |
| 21:14.44 | knuxles | o.k thanks again |
| 21:14.46 | knuxles | bye |
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