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| 03:20.42 | goldarg | Howdy, I need some help doing a install on my powerbook. I'm trying to use the document at http://people.debian.org/~branden/ibook.html and I keep failing with a Error -3 while decompressing! |
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| 08:09.23 | alberto_ | hi |
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| 14:01.00 | mrwick | so I've got this Netgear wg511 which works great with open AP's but doesn't seem to do well with my roommates psk setup on his belkin |
| 14:04.15 | mrwick | can anyone point me in the right direction? |
| 14:07.25 | mrwick | this is a PowerBook g4 1.33 GHz w/ Airport Extreme on my OSX side, and of course, that works no problem :( |
| 14:08.13 | mrwick | there must be something I am not getting with the command: |
| 14:08.57 | mrwick | iwconfig eth2 key s:[pre-shared key] |
| 14:09.30 | mrwick | because everything else seems to work fine :~[ |
| 14:11.52 | mrwick | I'll give xsupplicant a shot, although it doesn't look like I really need it. |
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| 16:11.50 | XenoTrout | I'm trying to install to an oldworld ppc that only has OS X, but haven't yet been able to load the debian installer from CD or HDD. |
| 16:12.44 | Bor_Ed | you need to use bootx to run the installer, oldworld macs don't boot linux installer |
| 16:13.27 | XenoTrout | the installation manual says to use an active System Folder...can OS X activate a System Folder? |
| 16:13.49 | XenoTrout | I've tried miboot, but not yet bootx |
| 16:14.03 | Bor_Ed | ymmm, I'd guess osx has active system folder by itself |
| 16:14.34 | XenoTrout | it has System... |
| 16:16.30 | XenoTrout | is the folder activation thing entirely an Apple secret? |
| 16:17.57 | Bor_Ed | if it boots, it's active |
| 16:18.13 | Bor_Ed | I'm not expert on apple 'creations' |
| 16:21.00 | XenoTrout | do you know if there's a reason a bootable hard drive image (for dd rather than unpack and manual setup) isn't available? |
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| 16:26.17 | Bor_Ed | hmm, I guess no one just hasn't made such one... and I don't see a reason to do that either since pretty much every oldworld box requires own tweaks to OF |
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| 16:32.05 | XenoTrout | so booting from hard disk isn't as easy as the install manual's instructions? |
| 16:32.28 | Bor_Ed | nope... unless you use bootx |
| 16:34.36 | XenoTrout | maybe I just need to do something to bootx...it's doing the same is miboot, which is display the penguin/mac in the center and an icon in the upper-left corner with a thick red line across it |
| 16:36.51 | Bor_Ed | hmm, read the installation manual, you need to setup the initrd for the installer |
| 16:41.58 | XenoTrout | it doesn't say how to set up initrd, but I had made the mistake of not putting the Linux Kernels folder into the System Folder |
| 16:42.38 | Bor_Ed | that'll help on booting too |
| 16:42.57 | XenoTrout | yep |
| 16:43.45 | XenoTrout | still not booting. I have a few more things to try. Thanks for helping. |
| 16:45.52 | XenoTrout | At least I'm not trying on the NeXT, I guess |
| 16:46.12 | Bor_Ed | oldworld macs are pita at best |
| 16:46.21 | Bor_Ed | but when you get it running, it's ok |
| 17:03.28 | demon | some more than others |
| 17:03.46 | demon | the oldworlds with IDE are a particular bitch, from what I understand |
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| 17:10.07 | XenoTrout | ...I have an oldworld with IDE |
| 17:19.16 | Bor_Ed | oldworld ide ones are best left to dualboot or try linux with small scsi-2 disk |
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| 17:31.42 | Honeyman | Hello all! Can someone tell me about which filesystems are supported by both MacOS and Linux, and how (ro/rw)? |
| 17:31.55 | XenoTrout | hfs |
| 17:32.08 | Bor_Ed | hfs and hfsplus |
| 17:32.18 | Bor_Ed | oh, and iirc, vfat too |
| 17:32.26 | XenoTrout | yes, vfat as well |
| 17:32.44 | XenoTrout | vfat can be read by pretty much any system |
| 17:32.56 | Bor_Ed | and they're all r/w accessible |
| 17:33.00 | Honeyman | (Just seen news about new iBooks and first time started considering it as a good purchase :) ) |
| 17:33.52 | XenoTrout | iBook + GNU/Linux = fun (that's my favorite setup) |
| 17:34.37 | Honeyman | Rw? Great, looks like the first article I found (http://people.debian.org/~branden/ibook.html) is outdated - it tells that UFS is RO, and no HFS/HFS+ totally... |
| 17:35.16 | Bor_Ed | hfs/hfs+ has been r/w in 2.6.something kernels |
| 17:35.18 | Honeyman | Just checking: is HFS+ RW with vanilla kernel / Debian kernel (what is pretty equal to me), or with some foreign patches? |
| 17:35.38 | Bor_Ed | hmm, I recall seeing it on vanilla... a sec |
| 17:35.51 | XenoTrout | HFS+ is in the vanilla kernel sources, I don't know if it's in the default debian compile |
| 17:36.05 | Bor_Ed | CONFIG_HFSPLUS_FS=m in vanilla |
| 17:36.26 | Bor_Ed | 2.6.12 at least |
| 17:36.52 | Honeyman | And how's the stability? Any data loss ever spotted? |
| 17:37.34 | Bor_Ed | I don't use hfs/hfs+ access here, just set those up just in case |
| 17:37.59 | Honeyman | Any rumours at least? |
| 17:38.16 | Bor_Ed | hfs I've used hasn't corrupted any at least |
| 17:38.40 | Bor_Ed | I do 'sync' everytime before umount though |
| 17:38.42 | XenoTrout | I've heard linux hfs is more "stable" than hfs+ |
| 17:39.09 | Bor_Ed | hfs+ support is relatively new |
| 17:40.08 | Honeyman | Ok. And maybe some overall words from gurus? How's the stability, what to expect? Any unsupported hw? |
| 17:40.45 | XenoTrout | I think the airport extreme is still unsuported (but the old airport is supported) |
| 17:40.51 | Bor_Ed | airport extreme isn't supported and you might need some hacking to get the power saving etc to work |
| 17:41.16 | Bor_Ed | oh, and nveedia gfx doesn't have 3d support |
| 17:41.42 | XenoTrout | are there nvidia Macs? I thought it was all ATI |
| 17:41.53 | Honeyman | Aren't those airports backward compatible? Is it possible to use Airport Extreme as a usual Airport? |
| 17:42.02 | Bor_Ed | at least some have nv ... |
| 17:42.13 | _rene_ | Honeyman: no :/ |
| 17:42.21 | Bor_Ed | Honeyman: nope but you can use usb wifi adapter in linux and opt not to get the airport extreme |
| 17:42.26 | _rene_ | Honeyman: if was, it would be no problem... |
| 17:42.38 | _rene_ | Bor_Ed: you don't get *books without AP Extreme anymore |
| 17:42.45 | _rene_ | Bor_Ed: I did try.... |
| 17:42.46 | Bor_Ed | _rene_: bumme :/ |
| 17:42.48 | Honeyman | Well, at least ThoseNewPromisingImacs are ATIes :) |
| 17:44.18 | Honeyman | Is that AE a serious problem or a temporary one? Any expectations that they may be supported in some nearest time? What's lacking - specs, people/time resources, something else? I don't know a lot about how Apple handles themselves with opensource community, sorry for my ignorance... |
| 17:44.45 | Bor_Ed | there's project on sf.net to reverse engineer the driver |
| 17:45.01 | Bor_Ed | apple isn't by any means connected to project |
| 17:45.56 | Honeyman | Oh, got it myself: lacking specs from Broadcom, http://www.petitiononline.com/BCM4301/petition.html :) |
| 17:47.08 | Bor_Ed | yup |
| 17:47.26 | Bor_Ed | though as I mentioned, the project is up on sf.net ... haven't checked the status lately though |
| 17:47.48 | Honeyman | Bor_Ed: don't remember the name? |
| 17:48.21 | Bor_Ed | I'd guess bcm43xx or 4301 |
| 17:49.01 | Bor_Ed | http://sourceforge.net/projects/linux-bcom4301/ |
| 17:49.41 | Honeyman | Well, I'm 12639-th signed :) |
| 17:51.57 | pahartik | Honeyman: Bluetooth works well, ALSA modules need reloading after each sleep/wakeup |
| 17:53.39 | Honeyman | That's also great... |
| 17:54.16 | Honeyman | Won't ask about Sudden Motion Sensor or Trackpad Scrolling :( |
| 17:55.21 | pahartik | Honeyman: Bluetooth modules need to be reloaded after sleep/wakeup too, but i have that done automatically by power management scripts |
| 17:56.55 | Honeyman | If BT and ALSA can be reloaded automatically, that's not a problem at all. |
| 17:58.55 | pahartik | Honeyman: it probably can be done, but forcing ALSA off requires restart of "pbbuttonsd" as well, since it wants to hold on to mixer device |
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| 18:01.40 | Honeyman | Who is pbbuttonsd? |
| 18:04.21 | Honeyman | Oh, found myself. |
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| 18:16.36 | Honeyman | Thanks everyone for answers! |
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| 18:23.49 | sim0n | hi |
| 18:24.10 | sim0n | i got a ibook g3, and have a little sound problem |
| 18:24.39 | sim0n | i can't get my mic-in to work.... can somebody help me please ? |
| 18:25.04 | sim0n | (using alsa...tumbler chipset ....) |
| 18:25.15 | Bor_Ed | set it up as input on alsamixer |
| 18:25.56 | sim0n | the problem is that there are no INPUTS to configure... it doesn't show me a MIC or MICBOOST or so... |
| 18:26.17 | sim0n | permissions are correct... |
| 18:26.41 | sim0n | in kmix the input-tab is empty, same in alsamixer |
| 18:27.22 | sim0n | (i get the same if i use the dmasound driver...) |
| 18:28.15 | Bor_Ed | hmm... tried to set up the capture device in the console mixer ? |
| 18:29.16 | sim0n | there is no such option :-(..... i'm starting to wonder whether the mic-input is supported on this chipset on linux |
| 18:29.50 | Bor_Ed | hmm, what kernel ver you have ? |
| 18:30.36 | sim0n | 2.6.12 |
| 18:31.18 | Bor_Ed | not too old then |
| 18:31.26 | Bor_Ed | it might require some patch or something |
| 18:31.57 | sim0n | do you know where i could find such a patch ? |
| 18:32.11 | sim0n | i wasn't able to find much about this on the net |
| 18:34.27 | Bor_Ed | hmm, not really... http://tinyurl.com/b44ls from /topic might help, dunno |
| 18:35.13 | sim0n | ok thnx |
| 18:35.23 | Bor_Ed | np |
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| 19:22.42 | jcm | hi, on debian unstable/2.6.6 i get no sound with alsa but no log neither; is it the current bug mentionned in title ? |
| 19:26.27 | jcm | sry, I have 2.6.10 |
| 19:47.47 | piem | jcm: what machine do you have ? |
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| 20:02.35 | jcm | piem: pwb g3 500 (pismo) |
| 20:03.16 | demon | jcm: I'm running 2.6.11-powerpc on my 400 MHz Pismo, and I get sound |
| 20:03.34 | demon | though I have to add the appropriate drivers to /etc/modules (snd-powermac, snd-pcm-oss) |
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| 20:13.44 | jcm | demon: i already have all these lines in modules... |
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| 20:26.42 | demon | jcm: well, I can confirm it's working here |
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| 20:56.35 | sktrdie | isnt gnome-bluetooth in apt-get? |
| 20:56.37 | sktrdie | or aptitude? |
| 20:57.07 | simonrvn | re-hi |
| 21:12.57 | jcm | demon: what did you configure into xmms to play a sound ? |
| 21:13.11 | jcm | what happens if you do aplay -v asnd.wav ? |
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| 21:15.34 | demon | I didn't do anything special in xmms |
| 21:15.41 | demon | I just played audio |
| 21:16.48 | demon | I get a whole lot of output when I 'aplay -v' something |
| 21:16.50 | demon | then it plays |
| 21:20.07 | demon | is there anything under /proc/asound on your powerbook? |
| 21:20.24 | demon | there should be an entry for card0, with a symlink to it named Screamer |
| 21:20.27 | jcm | worked, i simply killed esd and restarted alsa ;-) |
| 21:20.35 | jcm | what process does start esd ? |
| 21:20.36 | demon | oh |
| 21:20.44 | demon | no idea |
| 21:20.54 | demon | I don't even have esound installed |
| 21:20.55 | jcm | fine, thks anyway |
| 21:21.10 | jcm | i don't need this anymore, isn't it ? i can remove esoound |
| 21:21.18 | demon | (because I like my desktop environment not making noises) |
| 21:21.25 | demon | you should be able to |
| 21:28.36 | jcm | fine, thks! |
| 21:30.16 | jcm | next thing to do: fix broken gaim :/ |
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| 21:58.19 | jcm | gaim-data is marked as 'all arch'; why then is the last version 1.4.0-3 not available for powerpc/unstable? |
| 21:59.35 | _rene_ | err. it is. see packages.debian.org. it's there |
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| 21:59.53 | _rene_ | may you mean gaim not being there? maybe it's not built on the buildds yet? |
| 22:00.42 | _rene_ | _all is architectue-independent stuff |
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| 22:32.48 | jcm | _rene_: found: gaim depends on gaim-data 1.4.0-2 whereas current version is 1.4.0-3 |
| 22:32.55 | jcm | so there's no way to have them happy |
| 22:33.40 | _rene_ | yes. welcome in sid |
| 22:33.44 | _rene_ | wait till they are in sync |
| 22:34.10 | _rene_ | gaim 1.4.0-3/ppc isn't yet built by the buildds, or not yet uploaded by them or... |
| 22:34.44 | _rene_ | if you can't handle stuff like that, don't use sid |
| 22:35.25 | jcm | i can handle, but most of times i can find a previous verision. There's no previous version available & running :/ |
| 22:35.37 | jcm | i'll wait, no matter |
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| 22:40.03 | sktrdie | how do I activate bluetooth on my powerbook? |
| 22:40.03 | Q-FUNK | that's laregely due to FTP Master being moved to a new hosting site. |
| 22:46.14 | jcm | sktrdie: apt-get install bluez; /etc/init.d/bluez-utils start |
| 22:46.30 | jcm | be sure to have all usb support too |
| 22:47.05 | _rene_ | Q-FUNK: indeed. but it also hould happen if gaim would FTBFS |
| 22:47.25 | _rene_ | Q-FUNK: so... it's a more generic problem that _all and their arch-counterpart can het out-of-sync |
| 23:14.20 | sktrdie | jcm: I have no such file |
| 23:15.04 | sktrdie | but bluez is isntalled |
| 23:15.06 | sktrdie | I guess |
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| 23:20.57 | Q-FUNK | hmm true |
| 23:39.04 | sktrdie | >> |