| 00:01.50 | sktrdie | hello |
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| 01:35.45 | mick_home | hi everyone, this is OT - but does anyone know what the ASCII (dec) keycodes are for "alt/option" and "command/apple/clove" |
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| 03:20.08 | BrianHV | is it just me, or is a whole bunch of stuff in unstable currently broken? (mozilla-firefox, gnomemeeting, etc.) |
| 03:20.30 | BrianHV | and when I say "currently" I mean, "for about 2 weeks now" |
| 03:33.08 | Curalton | yes, gcc4 is mean |
| 03:53.43 | BrianHV | is the transition expected to take much longer? |
| 03:54.26 | mick_home | did you see the list of bugs in Debian? ;-) in July there was a HUGE spike |
| 03:54.49 | mick_home | my guess is yes |
| 03:56.02 | Curalton | so is mine :) |
| 03:56.11 | Curalton | stay on sarge for the time being |
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| 07:20.15 | Bor_Ed | pahartik: to have easier conf than fiddling the ppp settings in /etc land |
| 07:30.23 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: http://pahartik.iki.fi/~pahartik/etc.ppp.peers.Sonera-GPRS |
| 07:30.51 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: http://pahartik.iki.fi/~pahartik/etc.chatscripts.Sonera-GPRS |
| 07:30.58 | Bor_Ed | suprise :) |
| 07:31.07 | Bor_Ed | I don't have surina though |
| 07:31.36 | Bor_Ed | hmm, the wammu thingy doesn't let me to remove a thing from the cell |
| 07:34.14 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: it is easy to change... |
| 07:34.38 | Bor_Ed | yup... though it's again not so urgent since I didn't get the buggr psion revo I tried from huuto |
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| 07:41.03 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: how is this all related? |
| 07:42.37 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: i used GPRS with PalmOS device over IrDA before i got Linux device with Bluetooth... |
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| 07:53.50 | ioops | hi |
| 07:58.55 | Bor_Ed | I was about to use the revo/linux as portable... |
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| 09:19.05 | sktrdie | if anyone uses GNOME, can I ask the version? |
| 09:20.04 | johill | 2.10.2 |
| 09:23.23 | sktrdie | johill: me too |
| 09:23.26 | sktrdie | but its buggy |
| 09:23.34 | sktrdie | for example I cant put the volume panel back on |
| 09:23.37 | sktrdie | dont know why |
| 09:23.44 | johill | works fine here |
| 09:23.55 | sktrdie | The panel encountered a problem while loading "OAFIID:GNOME_MixerApplet". |
| 09:23.56 | johill | Volume Applet 2.10.1 |
| 09:23.57 | sktrdie | it says this |
| 09:26.58 | sktrdie | johill: I think I have that |
| 09:27.04 | johill | no idea then |
| 09:30.24 | sktrdie | wait, where do I check the applets info |
| 09:30.47 | johill | good question, if you can't add it, I don't know |
| 09:30.58 | johill | sorry, I have to go |
| 09:36.54 | sktrdie | I'm trying to isntall k3b |
| 09:37.00 | sktrdie | so I do apt-get install k3b |
| 09:37.10 | sktrdie | but a full list of packages that will be isntalled appears |
| 09:37.18 | sktrdie | with kdebase |
| 09:37.23 | sktrdie | I don't want kde |
| 09:37.33 | sktrdie | how do I install k3b without installing kde? |
| 09:41.50 | ErRandir | probably you can't. but that does not mean you have to *use* kde to use k3b |
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| 09:44.56 | sktrdie | I know but Idont want kde base |
| 09:45.01 | sktrdie | anyway ill try it... whatever |
| 09:48.54 | ErRandir | I'm in a similar situation. don't actually use kde or gnome, but just some applications |
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| 09:49.36 | ErRandir | worst thing is kde fires up some kind of daemon that I have to kill once I'm done with the app |
| 09:50.17 | nenn | anyone know when things will be fixed so i can get mplayer? |
| 09:50.27 | ErRandir | gnome has terrible dependencies on udev and some other daemons |
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| 10:50.16 | pahartik | nenn: one can get source code, edit "debian/rules" to customize "./configure" options and "fakeroot debian/rules binary" to build package |
| 10:54.26 | pahartik | nenn: or are you referring to some specific bug? |
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| 12:54.00 | SimonRaven | hi |
| 12:54.13 | Q-FUNK | hiya |
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| 14:42.27 | wislane | hi, i'm italian... i'm trying to install debian on a ibookG4 but i can't use X. anyone can help me? |
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| 14:46.07 | Stereo | try telling us exactly what your problem is |
| 14:46.25 | karim | hi |
| 14:46.44 | karim | I want to make bootable a linux installed with debootstrap from a live cd |
| 14:46.56 | karim | I know I must bind /proc |
| 14:47.00 | karim | I am not sure for /dev/ |
| 14:47.06 | karim | I did it and got IO errors |
| 14:47.18 | karim | it seems the hda and hdc are inverted or something |
| 14:47.24 | karim | because I did everything fine |
| 14:47.39 | karim | but it tried to boot the kernel that is on the cdrom !!! |
| 14:47.42 | wislane | i'm configuring with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 the monitor but it seems wrong. what do i have to put to make it recognize the graphics? |
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| 16:09.12 | Q-FUNK | I'm really going nuts here. cannot seem to get folder blessing working. |
| 16:16.00 | SimonRaven | oh, ick |
| 16:17.00 | Q-FUNK | in theory, I have the exact same options used by the guys that made the lt2005 DVD. in practice... fails to make a bootable image. |
| 16:17.05 | SimonRaven | been doing pull finder or system file from system folder, and put it back in? how about using ybin -vf (does it have a force option?) |
| 16:17.25 | SimonRaven | --force, no -f |
| 16:19.15 | Q-FUNK | hmm, except that we don't ybin anything, as far as I can tell |
| 16:19.42 | Q-FUNK | and everything has been built within Debian |
| 16:19.45 | Q-FUNK | no mac os here |
| 16:25.24 | SimonRaven | eh? ybin is from yaboot. oh ok, i see |
| 16:25.44 | SimonRaven | anyway, i'm gonna eat, and go for a bike ride soon |
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| 17:17.32 | Q-FUNK | hm |
| 17:17.44 | Q-FUNK | where are EB and sven when you need them :) |
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| 17:52.43 | amnesia | hi there |
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| 17:59.22 | karim | hi |
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| 18:08.31 | jrr | anyone else notice if gaim is broken in unstable? |
| 18:11.47 | jrr | gaim and gaim-data are mismatching |
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| 18:14.42 | Curalton | yes, gcc4 breaks about everything atm |
| 18:14.53 | Curalton | stick to sarge for the time being or know what you are doing |
| 18:18.43 | _rene_ | Curalton: this is no gcc4 breakage |
| 18:18.58 | _rene_ | jrr: welcome in sid. the powerpc build is simply not the uploaded |
| 18:19.24 | _rene_ | jrr: if you can't handle the delays on ppc (because most stuff is uploaded for i386 and has the to go through the buildds) don't use sid |
| 18:25.01 | _rene_ | jrr: and regardless of that, of course sid is broken. that's why it's called unstable. every new upload and every big transition happens there |
| 18:25.11 | _rene_ | jrr: at the moment: new C++ ABI, X.org, ... |
| 18:25.27 | _rene_ | jrr: if you can't handle that and need to ask for such a simple problem as you have: don't use sid |
| 18:26.36 | _rene_ | and anyway, those are in sync. maybe your mirror isn't updated? |
| 18:40.05 | Curalton | _rene_: looks like it though, installing gaim would remove half the system :) |
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| 18:43.16 | _rene_ | oh, no idea. don't use gaim |
| 18:44.43 | Curalton | "gcc breakage" as in weird dependencies as to which packages do/dont build with it it |
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| 19:06.21 | jrr | 5 lines of rant before the answer. impressive. |
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| 19:09.06 | _rene_ | jrr: it's because it's true. people using sid schould be able to handle those situations |
| 19:09.13 | _rene_ | jrr: since it happens everytime |
| 19:09.19 | Q-FUNK | _rene_: mirros have not been pulsed in ages |
| 19:09.24 | _rene_ | Q-FUNK: they have |
| 19:09.46 | Q-FUNK | _rene_: a lot of items that were supposed to transition sitll haven't |
| 19:10.03 | _rene_ | Q-FUNK: and? |
| 19:10.19 | _rene_ | sid is sid. live with it or don't use it. |
| 19:10.30 | _rene_ | and don't ask questions for basic problems |
| 19:11.21 | Q-FUNK | _rene_: I know that the 2 missing hosts are back, but I can attest that testing has not been pulsed. the finnish mirror's testing hasn't moved in ages |
| 19:11.37 | jrr | i *am* living with it - i never complained |
| 19:11.56 | jrr | coming here is part of 'dealing with it' - i wanted to make sure the problem wasn't on my end |
| 19:12.07 | Jesterace | debian run well on an oldworld mac? |
| 19:12.07 | _rene_ | Q-FUNK: testing is some other matter |
| 19:12.11 | jrr | Jesterace: yes |
| 19:12.14 | Jesterace | right on |
| 19:12.15 | Q-FUNK | as for living with sid -- indeed so. it should not be used by people who cannot live with some files being out of sync on non-x86 architectures :) |
| 19:12.32 | Jesterace | my mac is pretty useless with os 9.2 :P |
| 19:12.38 | jrr | Jesterace: what kind of mac? |
| 19:12.47 | jrr | i've got a beige g3 server, and it runs great |
| 19:13.10 | Jesterace | umax supermac |
| 19:14.01 | Jesterace | as far as I can tell it's 150mhz with 64mb ram and 4gb hd |
| 19:14.09 | Jesterace | I think it'd make a nice little server |
| 19:14.10 | Bor_Ed | hmm, were the umaxes scsi or ide based ? |
| 19:14.24 | Jesterace | scsi |
| 19:14.31 | Bor_Ed | it should work then |
| 19:14.55 | jrr | Bor_Ed: have you had mixed luck with ide? |
| 19:15.06 | Bor_Ed | jrr: at best ... |
| 19:15.11 | jrr | i've got linux installed on IDE on this box |
| 19:15.25 | Jesterace | I just plan to tuck the case behind the desk |
| 19:15.29 | Bor_Ed | I have linux on ide too but I'm forced to boot from bootx instead of quik |
| 19:15.31 | Jesterace | and interact through ssh with it |
| 19:15.52 | Jesterace | bootx is what I'm thinking I'm going to need to use |
| 19:16.00 | Jesterace | can't seem to get into the openfirmware |
| 19:16.03 | Bor_Ed | Jesterace: my server box is hiding under the desktop next to me... |
| 19:16.12 | Bor_Ed | you can get to OF through serial uplink |
| 19:16.19 | Jesterace | but i haven't really dug into it, I'm pretty much just in the research phase |
| 19:16.39 | Jesterace | i bought the mac for $40 |
| 19:16.51 | Bor_Ed | jrr: if you drop in small scsi disk for / , you could use quik and standalone linux |
| 19:16.57 | Jesterace | so if i never do anything with it I won't really lose much |
| 19:17.36 | Bor_Ed | hehe, I paid 30 eur out of this box and 5 eur out of the pmac4400/200 server |
| 19:17.40 | jrr | the box came with a couple of 4gb scsi's.. mbe i'll give that a shot |
| 19:17.58 | jrr | i'll keep one around for jag |
| 19:18.00 | Jesterace | i would have jammed osx on it if it had more ram :P |
| 19:18.01 | Bor_Ed | scsi is faster too than the apple quantum disks on ide |
| 19:18.07 | Jesterace | need at least 96mb |
| 19:18.27 | Bor_Ed | I wouldn't even install osx on this one (160M ram) |
| 19:18.36 | Jesterace | yea |
| 19:18.39 | Jesterace | hehe |
| 19:18.43 | Jesterace | i'm an experimenter |
| 19:18.45 | Jesterace | i tried last night |
| 19:18.48 | Jesterace | then stopped |
| 19:18.50 | jrr | this is a newer ide disk, so it might be faster than the old scsi's.. i guess it depends on the onboard ide controller |
| 19:18.56 | Bor_Ed | 512M would be some work to do... though it might work at such |
| 19:18.58 | Jesterace | I originally bought it with linux in mind |
| 19:19.30 | Bor_Ed | jrr: the g3 controller is 16MB/s one and scsi is 10MB/s but still faster |
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| 19:53.49 | joel_ | wow progress page for the AE linux driver has been updated |
| 19:53.56 | joel_ | july 1st |
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