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| 04:52.54 | n1xt3r | Greetings! Does the kernel-source package include the patches or do I have to apply those seperately? Thank you. |
| 04:58.47 | n1xt3r | Im sorry, I should've been more specific. I mean, do the kernel-source packages include the same patches that kernel-images do? Thanks. |
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| 05:16.41 | Gnuman | anyone know why my AirPort card will not associate with a Linksys 802.11b AP? |
| 05:17.07 | Gnuman | the card associates just fine in Panther, but I cannot get it to do so in Debian |
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| 05:17.55 | Gnuman | and what packages are needed to use the AirPort on a clamshell iBook? |
| 05:18.51 | Gnuman | I've installed wireless_tools, and I have the support built into the kernel (2.6.9) |
| 05:19.16 | mick_home | is it an extreme card? |
| 05:19.24 | mick_home | or regular airport? |
| 05:19.31 | Gnuman | No, original AirPort. . . |
| 05:19.38 | mick_home | ah ok |
| 05:19.49 | Gnuman | this is a clamshell, and will not take an extreme. . . |
| 05:20.05 | mick_home | there was a howto somewhere... /methinks google has the answer |
| 05:20.22 | Gnuman | airport howto? |
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| 05:23.05 | mick_home | http://www.latcarf.com/locution/archives/20-Installing-Debian-GNULinux-3.1-sarge-on-Apple-iBook.html |
| 05:23.27 | mick_home | i didn't read it- but that should have the answer, otherwise try emailing the author |
| 05:23.37 | Gnuman | Oh, insalling I can do. . . |
| 05:23.49 | mick_home | it has a part about airport |
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| 05:32.30 | Gnuman | Hmmm, that did not help at all, as I had already done that |
| 05:34.04 | Gnuman | anyone else? |
| 05:35.32 | Gnuman | Hmmm, the level is way below what it should be, as I'm about 7 ft from the AP and the level is showing at about half |
| 05:36.05 | Gnuman | noise is also showing at about half, and I do not believe that either |
| 05:38.04 | Gnuman | using wmwave to monitor all this |
| 05:38.59 | Gnuman | iwconfig shows snapshots that are the same as what I get in wmwave |
| 05:39.14 | Gnuman | only with more info |
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| 05:50.27 | mick_home | Gnuman: i'm sorry that wasn't helpful at all (i actually read what google gave me) |
| 05:50.42 | mick_home | let me grep the mailinglist |
| 05:51.06 | Gnuman | thanks. |
| 05:52.14 | Gnuman | I got the AirPort to connect to a hotel AP once, but the signal was low then as well. . . |
| 05:52.55 | Gnuman | I think the kernel driver is having trouble reading the card. . . |
| 05:57.12 | Gnuman | Hmmmm. . . |
| 05:57.45 | Gnuman | there are several 802.11b networks overlaping here. . . |
| 05:58.03 | Gnuman | Perhaps that is the reason for the high noise level. . . |
| 05:58.34 | Gnuman | but the reason for the low signal is still a mystery |
| 06:06.14 | mick_home | do you "automatically" connect? or do you specify the SSID? |
| 06:06.22 | mick_home | what module are you using? |
| 06:06.43 | mick_home | is it possible to test somewhere w/o other wifi networks? |
| 06:06.49 | mick_home | are they all on the same channel? |
| 06:07.34 | mick_home | i've had issues with that before (all default linksys networks on the same channel), i never knew what network i was on ;) |
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| 06:08.11 | mick_home | you might be on a different network (if your using the automatic way to connect) |
| 06:08.18 | Mestapheles | hey simonrvn |
| 06:08.19 | Gnuman | I autoconnect when using ifup (essid = "" ) |
| 06:08.24 | mick_home | debianppc mailinglist (last 2,000 emails |
| 06:08.30 | mick_home | didn't mention much |
| 06:08.45 | Gnuman | but I can specify an essid, and I still cannot associate with the AP |
| 06:08.59 | mick_home | i thought that it can see it? |
| 06:09.08 | mick_home | but signal strength is low? |
| 06:09.30 | Gnuman | Well, that is the strange part. |
| 06:09.57 | Gnuman | when using Panther, signal is real strong, but this is only showing about half the signal |
| 06:10.10 | mick_home | what wireless driver are you using? i forget was this one used with orinoco or hermes drivers (if one doesn't work well, modprobe the other one instead) :) |
| 06:10.24 | Gnuman | not using a module, using the drivers supplied with 2.6.9 compiled in |
| 06:10.50 | mick_home | ah ok |
| 06:10.52 | mick_home | :-/ |
| 06:11.04 | mick_home | try the mailinglist then |
| 06:11.27 | Mestapheles | SimonRaven: does the top partition in OS 's disk utility mean its earlier in the disk drive? |
| 06:11.50 | Gnuman | yes |
| 06:12.13 | SimonRaven | of course |
| 06:12.16 | mick_home | sorry that i couldn't be of more help :( |
| 06:12.42 | Gnuman | in Panther, I see three APs |
| 06:12.55 | Gnuman | with unique ESSIDs |
| 06:13.25 | Mestapheles | now that I think about it, yes. |
| 06:13.27 | Gnuman | One is NETGEAR, one numeric, and the linksys |
| 06:14.50 | Gnuman | the Netgear and the numeric one are WEPed |
| 06:15.11 | Gnuman | but the linksys I'm trying to connect to is open |
| 06:16.59 | Gnuman | it should have my level indicator pegged (it does in Panther), but I'm only seeing half a bar |
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| 06:18.50 | weirdcreep | ban me |
| 06:18.56 | weirdcreep | ban me |
| 06:19.00 | weirdcreep | ban meban me |
| 06:19.02 | weirdcreep | ban me |
| 06:19.06 | weirdcreep | ban me |
| 06:19.31 | Gnuman | ?? |
| 06:19.44 | Gnuman | now what was *that* all about. . . . |
| 06:21.55 | mick_home | those damn comcast users are almost as bad as aol users |
| 06:22.01 | mick_home | (joke) ;-) |
| 06:22.15 | Gnuman | is anyone here running on an Airport? |
| 06:22.26 | mick_home | Gnuman: i noticed that you were on via comcast too :) |
| 06:22.56 | Gnuman | yeah, I'm at a friends house in Boston. |
| 06:22.56 | mick_home | do you use wep on your btw? |
| 06:23.36 | Gnuman | I live in CA but I use comcast there too |
| 06:23.54 | mick_home | i ask, since wep might be your problem |
| 06:24.01 | Gnuman | this AP is set up to be open |
| 06:24.11 | Gnuman | no WEP |
| 06:24.18 | mick_home | ok |
| 06:24.22 | Gnuman | that is disabled |
| 06:24.32 | mick_home | hmmm, did you already post to the mailinglist? |
| 06:24.34 | Gnuman | just to make things easier. . . |
| 06:24.45 | mick_home | hey, mine is open too |
| 06:24.56 | mick_home | i believe in openness |
| 06:25.18 | Gnuman | no, the only reason I'm connected is because I fished out my cat5 cable and ifup'd eth0 |
| 06:25.25 | mick_home | of course, if i notice misuse of my network.. that person will fuck it up for everyone else ;-) |
| 06:26.20 | Gnuman | well there are three condos in this b, and each has a wireless network. . .uilding |
| 06:26.40 | Gnuman | damn trackpad. . . |
| 06:27.25 | mick_home | what ssid are you using, and which one are they using? and what channels are they on |
| 06:27.52 | mick_home | try something that is 6 away from the others |
| 06:28.04 | Gnuman | the netgear is using the ssid NETGEAR |
| 06:28.23 | Gnuman | the other one is using a numeric ssid |
| 06:28.46 | Gnuman | and the one in this apartment is using linksys |
| 06:29.14 | Gnuman | I tried specifying linksys as the ssidt help, but that did no |
| 06:29.25 | Gnuman | t help |
| 06:29.35 | mick_home | what channel |
| 06:29.48 | mick_home | thats more important |
| 06:29.55 | Gnuman | I don't remember |
| 06:30.29 | mick_home | ? |
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| 06:31.43 | Gnuman | damn chatzilla keeps abending |
| 06:32.24 | Gnuman | I do not have a tool that shows the channel in Panther |
| 06:32.32 | mick_home | same here |
| 06:32.35 | mick_home | btw |
| 06:32.57 | Gnuman | I could log into the web interface and see what channel it is on. . . |
| 06:32.58 | mick_home | Gnuman: check the router's webpage |
| 06:33.07 | mick_home | right |
| 06:33.13 | mick_home | web interface is what i meant btw |
| 06:35.48 | Gnuman | the driver does not seem to want to set the chan |
| 06:38.44 | Gnuman | hmmm, it was reading the correct chan, until I changed it on the router. . . |
| 06:40.31 | Gnuman | now it stubbornly refuses to follow the router |
| 06:41.19 | mick_home | hmm |
| 06:41.25 | mick_home | weird :-/ |
| 06:43.00 | Gnuman | what is a good wireless network discovery tool? |
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| 07:23.18 | Gnuman | amnesia: I forgot you were here. . . |
| 07:23.24 | Gnuman | (sorry) |
| 07:30.10 | Gnuman | can anyone tell me what packages are needed to make the Airport card work in Linux? |
| 07:30.44 | Gnuman | standard Airport. I already have wireless-tools |
| 07:31.07 | Gnuman | is there anything else? |
| 07:41.58 | amnesia | heh |
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| 08:33.27 | gausus | anyone alive ? |
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| 11:08.44 | maxime | hi |
| 11:10.44 | maxime | I'm looking for install debian ppc on imac, actualy in this imac the os is macOSX, and I when I boot I arrive in a mac firmware, how can I say it to boot with the cdrom ? |
| 11:12.46 | gausus | hold c during system startup |
| 11:13.39 | maxime | gausus, I do it but I arrive in a firmware 3.0 and he way for command if I write "boot" it's start macosX |
| 11:13.55 | maxime | I try "boot c" "boot cdrom" |
| 11:13.58 | maxime | but it crash |
| 11:14.23 | maxime | not really crash, it show a stop symbol and freeze |
| 11:14.39 | gausus | hmmm |
| 11:14.52 | gausus | what does dir cd:,\ |
| 11:14.53 | gausus | says ? |
| 11:15.04 | maxime | I do "dir cd:,\" ? |
| 11:15.10 | maxime | with the coma ? |
| 11:16.02 | gausus | yes |
| 11:16.16 | maxime | ok I try |
| 11:18.18 | maxime | gausus, exuse me, I'm french so I've got a azerty keyboard, may you tell me where is "\" in a qwerty ? (the prompt is in qwerty) |
| 11:18.24 | gausus | hmm |
| 11:19.04 | gausus | maxime |
| 11:19.09 | gausus | on my ibook its next to enter |
| 11:19.44 | maxime | I try to find it ;) |
| 11:20.27 | gausus | sorry :( but i only have ibook and sun here |
| 11:23.52 | maxime | ok :), it told can't open the dir device |
| 11:25.25 | maxime | gausus, |
| 11:25.28 | maxime | ok :), it told can't open the dir device |
| 11:35.12 | gausus | hmmm |
| 11:35.13 | gausus | eee |
| 11:35.17 | gausus | in openfirmware ? |
| 11:35.22 | gausus | what is your prompt ? |
| 11:40.43 | maxime | bootr, unknow word |
| 11:40.50 | maxime | Failed to boot |
| 11:40.56 | maxime | Apple iMac OpenFirmware 3.0.f10 built on 03/05/99 at 21:14:19 |
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| 11:41.11 | maxime | Copyright etc.. |
| 11:41.13 | maxime | 0 > |
| 11:41.19 | maxime | gausus, |
| 11:41.26 | gausus | hmmm |
| 11:41.34 | gausus | dir cd:\ |
| 11:41.38 | maxime | I try |
| 11:42.03 | maxime | Can't open the dir device |
| 11:42.23 | maxime | if If write boot it's start macOSX |
| 11:43.00 | gausus | hmmm |
| 11:43.08 | gausus | you have macosx installed then |
| 11:43.09 | gausus | hmm |
| 11:43.12 | gausus | that should be easy |
| 11:43.13 | maxime | yes |
| 11:43.29 | gausus | wait a sec |
| 11:43.33 | maxime | ok |
| 11:43.57 | gausus | you can boot macosx in the mean time |
| 11:44.20 | gausus | http://people.debian.org/~branden/ibook.html |
| 11:44.27 | gausus | this should guide you |
| 11:44.35 | gausus | i have installed debian on my ibook that way |
| 11:44.38 | gausus | and it works fine |
| 11:44.48 | maxime | ok thanks a lot |
| 11:45.21 | maxime | fine "En français" ;) |
| 11:45.32 | maxime | gausus, thx good continuation |
| 11:45.44 | gausus | :D |
| 11:45.53 | gausus | if you have any problems feel free to ask |
| 11:46.01 | maxime | gausus, ok thanks |
| 12:03.08 | maxime | gausus, ok I boot on the cd I start the installation, I'll will not need help anymore, debian still debian ;) |
| 12:03.33 | gausus | maxime: good luck then |
| 12:06.57 | maxime | thx |
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| 13:22.31 | karim_ | anyone know if it's possible to flash the bios of a rage 128 pc to a mac version ? |
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| 15:15.25 | Mestapheles | hey has anyone experimented putting swap early (outer disk/partition 1, or 2) rather than later on? |
| 15:22.37 | pahartik | Mestapheles: on iBook G4 i have "Swap" between "Apple_partition_map" and "Apple_Bootstrap" |
| 15:29.32 | Mestapheles | does it work faster than having it after /tmp and /var but before /usr and /home? |
| 15:30.38 | karim_ | anyone know if it's possible to flash the bios of a rage 128 pc to a mac version ? |
| 15:31.15 | karim_ | is it possible to use LVM ? |
| 15:33.01 | pahartik | Mestapheles: that depends on harddisk one uses... |
| 15:35.14 | Mestapheles | modern hd, probably zbr as all should be this now. The thing is it's on a old 400mhz G3 mac, that's why I'm looking at doing this. The mac does have 1 G of ram though. |
| 15:43.01 | karim_ | Mestapheles, this mac is a piece of shit |
| 15:43.20 | karim_ | the thing about video card is the worst ever |
| 15:43.45 | karim_ | it's a really good idea from them to switch to pc |
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| 15:49.44 | Mestapheles | karim_:do you own one? |
| 15:52.01 | karim_ | Mestapheles, yes |
| 15:52.02 | pahartik | karim_: i bought "Radeon 9200 PCI Macintosh" and it works fine on PowerMacintosh 7500 |
| 15:52.13 | SimonRaven | sure |
| 15:52.15 | karim_ | how much ? |
| 15:52.18 | karim_ | money |
| 15:52.39 | karim_ | pahartik, ? |
| 15:53.07 | pahartik | karim_: something like 120 EUR |
| 15:53.11 | karim_ | seems there is a dvi to svideo adapter |
| 15:53.13 | karim_ | pahartik, lol |
| 15:53.24 | karim_ | pahartik, I will not put 120eur for that crap |
| 15:53.40 | karim_ | I could buy a athlon64 for this price |
| 15:54.02 | SimonRaven | or buy a peecee one and zap it |
| 15:54.23 | karim_ | pahartik, the sad thing is I have a ati rage 128 fury with tv out but for pc. Tha's a pity |
| 15:54.29 | karim_ | I tried it innocently |
| 15:54.32 | karim_ | in the mac |
| 15:54.35 | karim_ | :) |
| 15:54.39 | karim_ | it doesn't work |
| 15:54.45 | pahartik | karim_: and i would not pay money for wintel... |
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| 15:55.02 | karim_ | SimonRaven, I have a pc one already, mm not a radeon |
| 15:55.06 | SimonRaven | i wouldn't either. sheesh |
| 15:55.29 | SimonRaven | i'll use it, but i don't like them |
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| 15:59.23 | karim_ | so what you will be forced to use them soon |
| 15:59.25 | karim_ | ahahahah |
| 15:59.56 | pahartik | karim_: not likely |
| 16:00.04 | SimonRaven | who says? only if you buy new, and i won't do that either |
| 16:00.19 | SimonRaven | mister wannabe-know-it-all |
| 16:00.23 | karim_ | you will install linux on a Xbox 2 ? |
| 16:00.30 | karim_ | wahahah |
| 16:00.54 | SimonRaven | karim_: warning, you're this close >< to getting kicked |
| 16:01.08 | Bor_Ed | took _some_ time :o |
| 16:01.24 | SimonRaven | i just woke up, gimme a break already |
| 16:01.25 | pahartik | karim_: IBM, Sun Microsystems... |
| 16:01.33 | SimonRaven | :) |
| 16:01.33 | Bor_Ed | aww right |
| 16:01.38 | karim_ | my neighbourg that gave me this macs have macs since years |
| 16:01.40 | Bor_Ed | hehe |
| 16:01.44 | karim_ | probably like you |
| 16:01.59 | karim_ | however I asked him about the future switch to intel |
| 16:02.18 | karim_ | he told me, he doesn't care of what is inside the mac |
| 16:02.35 | karim_ | he is a mac fan though |
| 16:02.50 | karim_ | there is really different comportements regarding that |
| 16:02.54 | pahartik | karim_: no doubt most MacOS X users move to wintel hardware someday... |
| 16:03.16 | Bor_Ed | and the rest of us will move to odw and such computers |
| 16:03.33 | karim_ | pahartik, well, him for sure since he got all the last things, like the dual G5, and a 22" lcd monitor |
| 16:04.37 | karim_ | that's similar with linux. |
| 16:04.57 | karim_ | there is almost no difference between linux ppc and linux i386 or something else |
| 16:05.07 | karim_ | from user point of view |
| 16:05.19 | Bor_Ed | hmm, ppc is #2 arch on linux currently and after the boards ship with DRM on hardware, ppc will move to #1 |
| 16:06.24 | SimonRaven | yup. although apple was thinking (already done so?) of sticking drm on those things |
| 16:06.39 | Bor_Ed | apple has drm on the x86 macs |
| 16:06.47 | SimonRaven | *nods* |
| 16:06.49 | Bor_Ed | /. covered it sometime back |
| 16:07.09 | SimonRaven | ok |
| 16:07.16 | DelTree | so that's why x86 macs... |
| 16:07.38 | SimonRaven | one could take it that way |
| 16:07.49 | DelTree | it *is* that way... |
| 16:07.51 | Bor_Ed | possibly 1 reason... and p4 cpu is a bit cheaper than ibm970fx too |
| 16:08.49 | SimonRaven | DelTree: add a ';)' |
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| 16:09.19 | DelTree | SimonRaven: what I would add is a big ":/" |
| 16:09.54 | SimonRaven | past experience told me i shouldn't make a link on my site to the section i'm working on. 'cause sooner or later googlebot shows up |
| 16:10.00 | SimonRaven | indeed |
| 16:10.12 | Bor_Ed | oh well, apples (rotten ones) are only 3% of ppc base |
| 16:12.10 | Gnuman | is 2.6.12-3 borked, or am I just building it wrong? |
| 16:12.50 | SimonRaven | i have this crappy sound card here, and i have to modprobe -r / modprobe foo bar=i7r31i7631 every other boot to get it to not screech... there's always some fucking fuck up with these fucking things (x86 machines), heh |
| 16:13.21 | Bor_Ed | mmm, I'd like to see a working x86 machine... or even a mobo |
| 16:13.33 | Gnuman | I'm good as long as I don't try to get into X, but when I do it locks up. . . |
| 16:13.48 | SimonRaven | on just about any mac, i just modprobed the alsa driver, and it works nice... KISS principle never ocurred to x86 manufacturers |
| 16:14.00 | Bor_Ed | yup |
| 16:14.10 | SimonRaven | @spell ocurred |
| 16:14.14 | ravenbird | possible spellings for ocurred: occurred curred incurred curried cured scurried acquired recurred scarred cored accrued Creed creed scoured cred carried reoccurred cared cried erred oared urged uncured |
| 16:14.16 | Bor_Ed | though I've used even peecee soundcards on linux/ppc and no probs there |
| 16:14.32 | SimonRaven | figured, s/ocurred/occurred/ |
| 16:14.35 | Bor_Ed | at least sb128 and live 5.1 work like a champ |
| 16:14.52 | SimonRaven | yeh, this one's an old isa card, that's seen its last days i think |
| 16:14.59 | SimonRaven | pas16 |
| 16:15.00 | Gnuman | SimonRaven, Bor_Ed that is because Macs are designed from the powercord to the keyboard, as a single unit. |
| 16:15.27 | SimonRaven | indeed. design. x86 machines aren't designed, they're cobbled together |
| 16:15.30 | Bor_Ed | not really... I'd blame the arch and the firmware |
| 16:15.50 | Gnuman | x86 is usually gust parts slapped together with a prayer that they will work somehow. . . |
| 16:15.54 | SimonRaven | arch and firmware are most basic things i'd change |
| 16:16.18 | Bor_Ed | it's pretty hard to get a working setup on 8 bit cpu with 16 bit extensions with 32 bit extensions with 64 bit extensions running firmware from '78 |
| 16:17.08 | Gnuman | hehe |
| 16:17.13 | SimonRaven | yeh... a lot of legacy crap... i bet it complicates cpu design |
| 16:17.21 | Bor_Ed | ppc was started in '91 to be 64 bit cpu with 32 bit mode available... OF though is around as old as bios afaik |
| 16:17.36 | SimonRaven | probably one reason for their hotness in even p2s |
| 16:17.41 | Gnuman | now back to my question, have I forgotten how to build a kernel, or is 2.6.12-3 borked? |
| 16:17.51 | Gnuman | I got the sources from kernel.org |
| 16:18.06 | SimonRaven | of started with sun boxen, then that got turned into the iee1275 standard |
| 16:18.10 | SimonRaven | ieee* |
| 16:18.30 | SimonRaven | i use 'stable' kernels |
| 16:18.58 | Gnuman | OK, so use 2.6.12-1? |
| 16:19.09 | Gnuman | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:19.10 | SimonRaven | 2.6.12-p3 |
| 16:19.18 | SimonRaven | Linux acahkos 2.6.12-p3 #1 Sat Jul 9 04:01:15 EDT 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 16:19.34 | SimonRaven | Linux pylon 2.6.12-pylon #2 Sun Jul 3 13:01:47 EDT 2005 ppc GNU/Linux |
| 16:19.38 | Gnuman | are you using a Power3 box? |
| 16:20.00 | Bor_Ed | SimonRaven: right... some moons back |
| 16:20.07 | SimonRaven | yup |
| 16:20.38 | Bor_Ed | it's still pretty far ahead of peecee offerings, thanks to couple of companies making specs to that crap |
| 16:20.38 | SimonRaven | as long as there's no security issues, i keep to the stable ones |
| 16:20.48 | SimonRaven | yeh |
| 16:21.19 | Gnuman | OK, I'm rebooting into Linux to grab a stable kernel then. . . |
| 16:21.44 | SimonRaven | could go for a debian kernel |
| 16:22.31 | Bor_Ed | bleh, debian kernels are for wimps :D |
| 16:23.02 | SimonRaven | ;p |
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| 16:40.36 | demon | so has anyone put the mainboard from a G3 into a 1U rack case? |
| 16:42.10 | Bor_Ed | I'm thinking of building a plexiglas case for the beige g3 logic board |
| 16:44.00 | demon | and does anyone know if a G3 b&w mobo will boot with no framebuffer plugged into it? :) |
| 16:44.56 | Bor_Ed | try :) |
| 16:45.03 | Bor_Ed | it should at least |
| 16:47.00 | demon | I'll have to wait till I get my serial cable |
| 16:47.14 | demon | then I'll give it a go |
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| 16:53.19 | chance | Anyone got time to help out a noob? |
| 16:53.37 | Bor_Ed | why don't ya just run sshd ? |
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| 16:54.06 | Gnuman | SimonRaven: you still here? |
| 16:54.28 | Gnuman | I'm still trying to get my AirPort card working. . . |
| 16:56.25 | Gnuman | it connects fine under Panther, but I cannot get it to associate with the AP under Linux |
| 16:56.37 | SimonRaven | i don't know anything about wifi |
| 16:56.48 | Gnuman | Ahhh, drat |
| 16:57.22 | Gnuman | the FAQs and Howtos only say to do what I have already done. . . |
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| 16:58.11 | sktrdie | hello |
| 16:58.15 | Gnuman | I got it working in a hotel in DC, but there are three networks in close proximity here, and I think they are talking over one annother |
| 16:58.21 | sktrdie | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:58.32 | Gnuman | hello sktrdie |
| 16:59.00 | chance | If anyone can help out with this issue, I'd be greatly appreciative. I have a working Debian machine running on an iMac. I had a recent power outage, and can no longer boot the machine. I boot, then I get a message from yaboot that says "input/output error". |
| 16:59.10 | sktrdie | hello Gnuman, can you help me |
| 17:00.25 | pahartik | sktrdie: use "aptitude" to choose older version of packages to install |
| 17:00.45 | Gnuman | he beat me to it. . . |
| 17:01.02 | pahartik | sktrdie: remember to turn off "upgrade packages automatically" if that is enabled for some reason |
| 17:06.01 | chance | Everyone hearing me ok? |
| 17:06.11 | sktrdie | yes |
| 17:06.18 | sktrdie | but I cannot hear you |
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| 17:09.47 | chance | hello everyone |
| 17:09.52 | chance | sorry got disconnected |
| 17:11.40 | chance | Here's my question: does the Debian install disk have utilities for repairing a current installation? |
| 17:11.59 | pahartik | chance: maybe you need to "fsck" it? |
| 17:12.00 | chance | I think errors in on my disk are preventing me from booting into Debian. |
| 17:12.16 | chance | Would love to fsck, but can't get that far from the get-go |
| 17:12.32 | Q-FUNK | btw, anyone familiar with mkisofs's options to make a CD bootable on a Mac? anybody that actually got them to work? |
| 17:12.47 | pahartik | chance: boot Debian installer or some live-CD... |
| 17:13.34 | chance | Was going to try the installer, but any recommendations on a bootable CD with utilities for fixing errors on a disk (e2fsck, etc.) that works with PPC? |
| 17:14.00 | pahartik | chance: "Ubuntu live-CD" |
| 17:16.19 | chance | pahartik: Thanks, downloading image now and giving it a try. |
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| 17:26.07 | Gnuman | well, I have a 45 minute wait to see if the new kernel helps any. . . |
| 17:26.28 | Gnuman | clamshell iBook. . . |
| 17:26.35 | Gnuman | 300Mhz G3. . . |
| 17:26.50 | Gnuman | well, it could be worse. . . |
| 17:27.15 | Gnuman | I could still be using my PB 1400. . .. |
| 17:45.28 | SimonRaven | heh |
| 17:45.46 | Gnuman | I need to upgrade. . . |
| 17:46.17 | Gnuman | anyone got an early G4 powerbook for sale? |
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| 17:49.38 | Gnuman | bad enough that I'm using a really slow processor, but to be crammed into 800x600 on top of it. . . |
| 17:51.20 | Gnuman | Bah, I'm going for a walk. . . |
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| 20:52.30 | Gnuman | OK, there seems to be something flakey going on around here. . . |
| 20:52.43 | Gnuman | I must be doing something wrong. |
| 20:53.02 | Gnuman | 2.6.12 locks up going into X as well. |
| 20:54.18 | Gnuman | it stops with a black screen, and an underscore in the upper left corner |
| 20:54.38 | Gnuman | from that point, I cannot even switch to a VT |
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| 21:47.06 | SimonRaven | Gnuman: looks like it's dropping into xmon maybe |
| 21:47.56 | Gnuman | xmon? |
| 21:48.42 | Gnuman | it is doing this only in 2.6.12 |
| 21:48.52 | Gnuman | 2.6.9 is just fine |
| 21:49.03 | Gnuman | I'm in that now |
| 21:50.58 | Q-FUNK | 2.6.12 apparently has issues. the grsecurity team is refusing to support it because of thta. |
| 21:51.30 | Gnuman | hmmm, and udev requires it. . |
| 21:51.32 | Q-FUNK | their last release is for 2.6.11.12 |
| 21:51.48 | Q-FUNK | only the udev in unstable does |
| 21:52.19 | Gnuman | yes, well I run unstable as a rule |
| 21:52.40 | Q-FUNK | well, that figures |
| 21:52.56 | Q-FUNK | no wonder you have those bugs creeping in |
| 21:53.15 | Gnuman | Q-FUNK: do you know what pkgs are required to make the most of an AirPort card? |
| 21:53.54 | jsn | Gnuman: There is something called iwconfig |
| 21:54.19 | Gnuman | that is part of wireless tools. I have that installed |
| 21:54.26 | jsn | okee doke |
| 21:54.52 | Gnuman | and I have sane settings defined in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:55.29 | jsn | that's good |
| 21:55.52 | Gnuman | but I canot get the card to associate with an AP that is 5 ft from me |
| 21:56.18 | Gnuman | even if I set the essid manualy |
| 21:56.23 | jsn | gkrellm has a tool that will dynamically update signal strength, i don't know what it is based on |
| 21:56.48 | jsn | to make sure it is offering, so to speak |
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| 21:57.28 | Gnuman | wmwave purports to do the same thing as well |
| 21:57.58 | Gnuman | the card connects to the AP just fine under Panther. . . |
| 21:58.09 | jsn | ah |
| 21:58.31 | jsn | WEP key length issues? |
| 21:58.37 | Gnuman | I was thinking that the driver in 2.6.9 was mot communicating with the card well. . . |
| 21:58.47 | Gnuman | wide open AP |
| 21:58.50 | Gnuman | no WEP |
| 21:58.58 | jsn | I am running 2.6.11 now, but I think I was running 2.6.9 for a while |
| 21:59.08 | jsn | Yeah, I was. |
| 21:59.11 | Gnuman | wireless? |
| 21:59.15 | jsn | yes |
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| 21:59.44 | Gnuman | OK jsn you have my attention |
| 22:00.02 | jsn | um, should i paste my /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 22:00.09 | Gnuman | I have been looking to talk to you for two days. . .<G> |
| 22:00.30 | jsn | well, i'm not running anywhere now |
| 22:00.33 | Gnuman | I can past the reletive paragraph from mine. . . |
| 22:01.38 | Gnuman | #auto eth1 |
| 22:01.40 | Gnuman | iface eth1 inet dhcp |
| 22:01.41 | Gnuman | wireless-essid any |
| 22:02.08 | Gnuman | when I ifup the card, it does not associate with any AP |
| 22:02.24 | jsn | I've got more than that. |
| 22:02.29 | jsn | network 192..... |
| 22:02.35 | Gnuman | I set the essid to linksys (the ssid of the AP I want) and still no go |
| 22:02.38 | jsn | address 192.... (I don't use dhcp, but static) |
| 22:02.53 | jsn | wireless-mode Managed |
| 22:02.55 | Gnuman | Ahhh, I use DHCP |
| 22:02.59 | jsn | I set the broadcast and netmask |
| 22:03.15 | Gnuman | mode is managed by default |
| 22:03.15 | jsn | and dns-nameservers 192..... |
| 22:03.19 | jsn | :) |
| 22:03.35 | jsn | So, don't set address :) |
| 22:04.11 | Gnuman | DHCP works under Panther, and it should under Linux |
| 22:04.21 | jsn | Sure, I've used both (generally). |
| 22:04.40 | Gnuman | I know it does for the cat5 cable that is also plugged into the router. . . |
| 22:04.49 | jsn | Only once I put a server on the network (and needed to hardcode the firewall on the router to point to that box) did i start using static |
| 22:05.15 | Gnuman | this has to be a very mobile setup. . . |
| 22:05.24 | jsn | makes little difference at all |
| 22:05.47 | Gnuman | it shouldn't anyway |
| 22:05.53 | Gnuman | Hmmm. . . |
| 22:06.13 | Gnuman | is there a package that will detect what networks are out there, and list them? |
| 22:06.28 | jsn | iwlist is the command, i'm not sure it works right, though |
| 22:07.56 | jsn | I get " Operation not supported" from "iwlist scan" |
| 22:08.45 | Gnuman | Hmmm, I was gonna try accesspoints |
| 22:09.28 | jsn | essid is case sensitive, I think |
| 22:09.36 | jsn | Are you sure it is "linksys" |
| 22:09.45 | SimonRaven | kismet can scan |
| 22:12.39 | Gnuman | Yes, it is linksys |
| 22:12.55 | Gnuman | there are three networks overllllapping. |
| 22:13.12 | Gnuman | NETGEAR, linksys, and a numeric one. . . |
| 22:13.49 | Gnuman | the f, and the third is the only one that has been set. . .irst two are defaults from the factory |
| 22:13.58 | Gnuman | damn trackpad |
| 22:16.26 | Gnuman | what package is kismet in? |
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| 22:18.42 | Gnuman | OK, I grabbed it |
| 22:18.55 | Gnuman | let's see if it helps. . . |
| 22:20.34 | Gnuman | the problem I'm having is that I cannot seem to change the chanel on the Airport card with iwconfig. . . |
| 22:21.10 | Gnuman | I can change the mode, or the essid. . . |
| 22:21.44 | sonne | Gnuman, I never ever had to change the chan manually |
| 22:21.50 | sonne | why would you want to ? |
| 22:22.05 | Gnuman | Oh, and the sensitivity, but that is about it |
| 22:22.24 | Gnuman | to force it to be on the channel that the AP is on |
| 22:22.40 | sonne | it does that automagically! |
| 22:23.00 | Gnuman | not this time. . . |
| 22:23.27 | Gnuman | it is not associating with the AP, and does not scan for the channel. . . |
| 22:23.44 | Gnuman | I think all three APs are using chan 6. . . |
| 22:24.02 | Gnuman | which is what the AirPort card is sticking on |
| 22:24.18 | sonne | well I cannot set the channel too. |
| 22:24.23 | karim | I am not sure how to set up yaboot.conf when having more than one linux installation on different partitions |
| 22:24.42 | sonne | karim ? just copy the section and give it a different label |
| 22:25.02 | karim | but the paths ? |
| 22:25.08 | karim | and the root ? |
| 22:25.10 | sonne | Gnuman, so this is not the problem. Which machine do you have ? |
| 22:25.30 | Gnuman | karim: you change the root partition in the paragraph associated with the different partitions |
| 22:25.48 | sonne | and the label and the image paths |
| 22:25.54 | karim | ok |
| 22:26.10 | karim | I must mount all the partition before installing the bootloader I guess ? |
| 22:26.14 | Gnuman | Clamshell iBook, Original AirPort, and I'm tryiterng to connect to a Linksys wireless Rou |
| 22:26.37 | sonne | karim, no |
| 22:27.01 | karim | the image path should be relative to their own / or to the running linux ? |
| 22:27.07 | sonne | Gnuman, which kernel ? |
| 22:27.17 | sonne | karim, to their own / |
| 22:27.21 | Gnuman | karim: no, the bootloader does not look for the kernel images before writing the bootstrab code |
| 22:27.24 | karim | ok |
| 22:27.52 | Gnuman | 2.6.9 right now. |
| 22:28.11 | Gnuman | I'm *trying* to get 2.6.12 working |
| 22:28.22 | sonne | Gnuman, I am on a pbook 1ghz- g4 15" so probably have the same airport setup. if it is not your linksys it *should* work |
| 22:28.55 | Gnuman | the card connects just fine in Panther. . . |
| 22:29.27 | sonne | Gnuman, I've found a particular version to be particularly reliable... interested in that cvs snapshot ? you will need to build that yourself however |
| 22:29.38 | Gnuman | a 1Ghz? are you sure you do not have the extreme card? |
| 22:29.47 | sonne | yup |
| 22:29.55 | sonne | it is a tibook |
| 22:30.29 | Gnuman | I wqould love to have one of those. . . |
| 22:30.42 | karim | partition=4 |
| 22:30.43 | karim | root=/dev/hdc4 |
| 22:30.47 | sonne | the last good pbooks imho |
| 22:30.53 | karim | so I should add this lines in each section ? |
| 22:31.12 | karim | and modify 4 with the number of the other part ? |
| 22:31.40 | Gnuman | yes |
| 22:31.58 | Gnuman | and take them out of the general part |
| 22:32.28 | sonne | karim, well I only have a single 'partition' |
| 22:32.51 | sonne | btw, following the debian install guide I just managed to book linux via usb stick :) |
| 22:32.54 | Gnuman | sonne: do you have an FTP server that I can hook into to grab that kernel? |
| 22:33.22 | Gnuman | book? |
| 22:33.27 | sonne | Gnuman, I can put a .tar somewhere, however it is just the source for the orinoco module |
| 22:33.29 | Gnuman | or did you mean boot? |
| 22:33.43 | sonne | boot - ofcourse :) |
| 22:33.51 | Gnuman | Hmmmm. . . |
| 22:34.10 | Gnuman | you mean the airport module? or the orinoco part? |
| 22:34.30 | sonne | Gnuman, so you need the configured kernel source and you need to type make and then as root make install... |
| 22:34.37 | Gnuman | do I need wlan-ng? |
| 22:35.36 | sonne | NO |
| 22:35.56 | Gnuman | well that was pretty emphatic. . . |
| 22:36.33 | Gnuman | is the interface to the orinoco part flakey? |
| 22:37.13 | Gnuman | I don't suppose there is a widget to control the card from X is there? |
| 22:37.36 | Gnuman | or even to view all of the parameters? |
| 22:37.49 | sonne | Gnuman: http://strongm.ath.cx/tmp/orinoco-2005-04.tar.gz |
| 22:38.07 | sonne | Gnuman, really I never needed this. |
| 22:39.07 | Gnuman | OK, I grabbed the tarball |
| 22:39.33 | Gnuman | drop this into my 2.6.9 source tree and type make all? |
| 22:40.06 | Gnuman | or does the makefile ask for the tree to link into? |
| 22:41.16 | sonne | no, just extract it somwhere |
| 22:41.28 | sonne | then enter this dir and do a make clean; make |
| 22:41.40 | sonne | then as root make install if everything went ok |
| 22:44.15 | karim | I am installing gentoo |
| 22:44.18 | karim | trying it |
| 22:44.20 | karim | ... |
| 22:44.38 | karim | I will have gray hairs when it will be installed |
| 22:45.34 | Curalton | heh :> |
| 22:46.35 | jsn | but gentoo sometimes runs 4% faster than debian! |
| 22:46.40 | jsn | :op |
| 22:47.44 | Curalton | oh noes! |
| 22:50.27 | Gnuman | darn, I am getting errors, and he left |
| 22:50.58 | karim | what means "scuffle" ? |
| 22:51.27 | karim | jsn, I hope it would run faster on the G4 with altivec optimisations |
| 22:51.38 | karim | will/would |
| 22:54.03 | jsn | i do my own kernel, and don't think i got it to work with the altivec optimizations |
| 22:54.08 | jsn | what compiler is gentoo using? |
| 22:54.11 | jsn | gcc-3.3? |
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| 23:05.38 | Gnuman | OK, I'm gonna try 2.6.12 again. . . |
| 23:05.47 | jsn | why not 11? |
| 23:06.22 | jsn | sorry, i have no substantive knowledge. 11 is working for me, that's all |
| 23:06.26 | Gnuman | because I just compiled .12 |
| 23:06.30 | jsn | :) |
| 23:06.46 | Gnuman | brb. . . |
| 23:06.55 | Gnuman | one way or annother |
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| 23:11.00 | knightsilver | does anyone here know how to use alsa on a powerbook? |
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| 23:14.36 | Gnuman | no go |
| 23:14.57 | Gnuman | still crashes at X startup |
| 23:21.15 | Gnuman | OK, I'm grabbing the .11 kernel |
| 23:22.33 | jsn | I know my alsa works on a powerbook. |
| 23:22.44 | jsn | Um, forget that, I'm not absolutely sure it works, but I think it works. |
| 23:29.53 | Gnuman | alsa has not been giving me any problems. . . |
| 23:30.50 | Gnuman | well, at least nothing insurmountable |
| 23:31.16 | Gnuman | I just have not spent the time needed to debug it. . . |
| 23:32.07 | Gnuman | I'm pretty sure it is a permissions problem |