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| 00:22.04 | Gnuman | OK, let's try building this damn thing again. . . |
| 00:31.17 | Gnuman | OK, .11 is abending on build |
| 00:32.41 | Gnuman | this is starting to piss me off. . . |
| 00:33.56 | jsn | breathe deeply? |
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| 01:33.42 | Gnuman | fsck it all, I'm wiping and reinstalling. .. |
| 01:33.58 | Gnuman | I've had enough of this half baked crap. . . |
| 01:34.23 | Gnuman | downloading the .iso for the installer now. . . |
| 01:41.38 | Gnuman | OK, ready to reboot and have a party on my HDD |
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| 01:47.25 | tony | which is better, vncserver or vnc4server? |
| 01:51.31 | tony | hello? |
| 01:51.39 | tony | powerpc people? |
| 01:53.18 | tony | debian works well on the genesi PPC desktop |
| 01:53.23 | tony | bye! |
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| 02:53.39 | Sam-I-Am | wewt, my g3 server croaked |
| 02:53.45 | Sam-I-Am | time to pitch it |
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| 03:11.55 | Sam-I-Am | SimonRaven: you awake? |
| 03:12.19 | Sam-I-Am | either your wiki is broken or its too obtuse because i can't find my information on how to get a 2.4 G3 working |
| 03:12.30 | Sam-I-Am | my 2.0f1 g3 died and i need to get another machine up |
| 03:12.40 | Sam-I-Am | also, posting the information publicly without login would be a plus |
| 03:48.23 | SimonRaven | Sam-I-Am: note taken. i'll take a look in about 0.5 hour |
| 03:48.48 | Sam-I-Am | thx |
| 03:48.53 | Sam-I-Am | i'm without a box |
| 03:49.13 | Sam-I-Am | it died with a weird error too - "double dma read" on mesh |
| 03:49.28 | Sam-I-Am | so i think the scsi chip took a dive |
| 03:51.28 | SimonRaven | sounds like it. the mesh chip on the pt pro was dead when i got it |
| 03:52.10 | Sam-I-Am | pt pro? |
| 03:52.21 | SimonRaven | http://wiki.kisikew.org/bin/Know/NativeBootGee3OFTwoFour |
| 03:52.22 | Sam-I-Am | i just hate when my stuff dies at inopportune times :P |
| 03:52.24 | SimonRaven | powertower |
| 03:52.28 | Sam-I-Am | like... after a long day of work |
| 03:52.35 | SimonRaven | oi |
| 03:52.48 | Sam-I-Am | The requested URL /bin/Know/NativeBootGee3OFTwoFour was not found on this server. |
| 03:53.16 | SimonRaven | hmm, i probrably have it wrong.. |
| 03:53.32 | SimonRaven | sec |
| 03:53.35 | Sam-I-Am | k |
| 03:54.08 | Sam-I-Am | its fun when i have to read my own docs :P |
| 03:54.20 | SimonRaven | oh, yeh, add view/ after bin/ |
| 03:54.29 | SimonRaven | @lart me |
| 03:55.10 | SimonRaven | gonna be a bit pokey, running upgrade |
| 03:56.16 | Sam-I-Am | heh yeah it is |
| 03:56.17 | Sam-I-Am | mmm, thx |
| 03:56.34 | SimonRaven | :) |
| 03:56.46 | Sam-I-Am | now i just need to find a system disk with the patches |
| 03:56.55 | Sam-I-Am | since i moved i have no idea where i put that crap heh |
| 03:58.18 | SimonRaven | MacNN Forums - Hack a Mac ROM for OS 8 on a G4 |
| 03:58.22 | SimonRaven | hehe |
| 03:58.35 | SimonRaven | http://forums.macnn.com/archive/index.php/t-69051.html |
| 03:58.56 | SimonRaven | hmm, i was just looking for those (the patches) |
| 03:59.37 | Sam-I-Am | heh |
| 04:00.14 | Sam-I-Am | i think imma see if i can find my floppies real quick, if not i'll have to find an Os9 machine at work to make a system disk with disk tools |
| 04:00.26 | Sam-I-Am | looks like my backup machine's battery died |
| 04:02.40 | SimonRaven | :( |
| 04:10.23 | SimonRaven | one of my drives is acting wonky, had some weird errors the other day, managed to force a reboot on it |
| 04:23.44 | Sam-I-Am | heh |
| 04:23.50 | Sam-I-Am | found my syste disk |
| 04:26.05 | SimonRaven | cool |
| 04:26.18 | SimonRaven | i haven't found the patches yet |
| 04:26.58 | Sam-I-Am | heh |
| 04:29.07 | Sam-I-Am | yay its booting |
| 04:35.06 | SimonRaven | cool |
| 04:35.10 | SimonRaven | :D |
| 04:36.38 | Sam-I-Am | yay all working |
| 04:37.08 | Sam-I-Am | battery seems fine. guess NV is more like V. |
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| 04:37.55 | Sam-I-Am | anywho, thx for the link |
| 04:38.28 | Sam-I-Am | nice to see my documentation works :P |
| 04:39.20 | SimonRaven | hehe, np |
| 04:40.26 | SimonRaven | i've started gathering all my little snippets, tidbits, and other things. eventually going to write this all up, including shit in my head, just in case |
| 04:40.35 | Sam-I-Am | heh |
| 04:40.43 | Sam-I-Am | i should be more prepared for failures |
| 04:41.12 | Sam-I-Am | i'll be out of working g3 machines after this one craps out, and then out of macs, so i might get something working on a sun or sgi |
| 04:41.30 | SimonRaven | yeh |
| 04:41.42 | Sam-I-Am | considering crapple is ditching ppc heh |
| 04:41.55 | Sam-I-Am | the world is turning to quality x86 goodness heh |
| 04:41.57 | Sam-I-Am | with drm! |
| 04:41.59 | SimonRaven | i'm not though =) |
| 04:42.07 | SimonRaven | ugh, i know, sick.... |
| 04:42.13 | Sam-I-Am | well, i dont want to, but when my supply of machines runs out, i need to find something |
| 04:42.28 | Sam-I-Am | i have too many suns, i should sell some and get a mac or two |
| 04:42.44 | Sam-I-Am | i'd like to have a g4 at some point |
| 04:42.45 | SimonRaven | good reason to stick to older h/w, imo. no drm |
| 04:42.49 | Sam-I-Am | but they're still too pricey |
| 04:43.08 | Sam-I-Am | something new world so i dont have to jack with OF |
| 04:43.33 | SimonRaven | yeh. we're like lower class in $$ terms, so it's not likely i'll see something like that unless someone gifts me with one |
| 04:44.08 | SimonRaven | fuck yeh. i've been thinking of a way to get OWs become NWs. switch out the rom chips on them |
| 04:44.17 | Sam-I-Am | ha |
| 04:44.54 | SimonRaven | ;) |
| 04:45.07 | Sam-I-Am | well, ppc hardware is going to become scarce |
| 04:45.15 | Sam-I-Am | so might as well learn how to make what remains work |
| 04:46.02 | SimonRaven | exactly. that's my goal, to make these more useful by having a more modern firmware on them. just stick in an eeprom or something ;) |
| 04:46.08 | Sam-I-Am | heh |
| 04:46.24 | Sam-I-Am | well, i need to hit the sack. work tomorrow, then working on the house, then maybe a few mins to relax heh |
| 04:46.28 | SimonRaven | i don't have tech. details, but i've been thinking on it for a while |
| 04:46.36 | SimonRaven | g'night. sleep well |
| 04:46.41 | Sam-I-Am | we need some open source ppc hardware |
| 04:46.48 | SimonRaven | Sam-I-Am++ |
| 04:46.56 | Sam-I-Am | heh |
| 04:47.06 | Sam-I-Am | i've been incremented |
| 04:47.09 | SimonRaven | i'm sick of this closed proprietary h/w crap |
| 04:47.18 | SimonRaven | that's a +1 on karma |
| 04:47.21 | Sam-I-Am | i'm just sick of all the non-intel platforms going away |
| 04:47.21 | SimonRaven | @Sam-I-Am++ |
| 04:47.26 | SimonRaven | me too :( |
| 04:47.51 | SimonRaven | they're all going for x86 crap, just for $$ reasons |
| 04:47.52 | Sam-I-Am | we're left with 4 registers, ISA bus, 8 interrupts with a hack to make it 16, etc |
| 04:48.03 | Sam-I-Am | and the infamous bios |
| 04:48.22 | SimonRaven | they have more irqs now i think, but i have no idea how they did that if so |
| 04:48.31 | Sam-I-Am | its irq sharing i think |
| 04:48.35 | Sam-I-Am | or that apic thing |
| 04:48.38 | SimonRaven | ugh. i *hate* bios. what a primitive POS |
| 04:48.40 | Sam-I-Am | probably another hack |
| 04:48.43 | SimonRaven | oh yeh... |
| 04:48.50 | Sam-I-Am | 1979 lives on inside the pc |
| 04:49.00 | SimonRaven | exactly |
| 04:49.13 | Sam-I-Am | anywho, enough ranting... dont want to get myself razzled before bed |
| 04:49.15 | Sam-I-Am | nini |
| 04:49.18 | SimonRaven | ni |
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| 11:19.33 | koalabear | hi. folks, I'm having a problem with apt-get, when I go to remove mysql, and try to reinstall it, i fails to write the debian-start script. |
| 11:30.36 | pahartik | koalabear: try to "purge" instead of "remove"? |
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| 13:23.51 | koalabear | say Thanks I have fixed it :) |
| 13:28.11 | Sam-I-Am | heh |
| 13:28.13 | Sam-I-Am | wtf @ apple.com |
| 13:28.15 | Sam-I-Am | 2 button mouse! |
| 13:28.18 | Sam-I-Am | hell has frozen over |
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| 15:51.17 | demon | anyone know if there's a way to make yaboot use either the serial port, or just whatever I have as the output-device, rather than it being stuck on 'screen'? |
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| 16:41.58 | pahartik | demon: at least "quik" interacts with serial port as expected... |
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| 16:48.55 | demon | pahartik: well, I looked at yaboot... it's hardcoded to use 'screen' |
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| 17:49.25 | SimonRaven | wtf. 2 buttons? i suppose it's to exploit the ps2 bus they'll be sticking into those x86 POS they'll 'make' |
| 17:50.33 | Bor_Ed | 2 buttons ?? where ? :) |
| 17:50.50 | SimonRaven | 09:28 Sam-I-Am : wtf @ apple.com 09:28 Sam-I-Am : 2 button mouse! 09:28 Sam-I-Am : hell has frozen over |
| 17:51.06 | Bor_Ed | geebus :o |
| 17:52.45 | Bor_Ed | http://www.apple.com/mightymouse/ |
| 17:53.07 | Bor_Ed | scroll and all o.O |
| 17:53.15 | demon | anyone know if there's a way over serial console to force a (new world) box to drop to OF? |
| 17:53.53 | demon | I thought sending BREAK would do it like on a Sun box, but that doesn't seem to... |
| 17:54.13 | SimonRaven | 4 buttons + scroll wheel |
| 17:54.27 | Bor_Ed | I only have 3 buttons and 2 wheels connected to this mac |
| 17:54.37 | SimonRaven | that's supposed to work |
| 17:54.40 | SimonRaven | demon: ^^ |
| 17:55.06 | karim__ | hi |
| 17:55.13 | karim__ | is it possible to have a menu with yaboot ? |
| 17:55.26 | karim__ | instead of just typing the kernel |
| 17:55.28 | SimonRaven | hit tab |
| 17:55.36 | karim__ | I tried it doesn't complet |
| 17:55.38 | karim__ | complete |
| 17:56.00 | SimonRaven | do you have 'label='s ? |
| 17:56.16 | karim__ | yep |
| 17:56.54 | SimonRaven | does your tab key work? :) |
| 17:57.04 | karim__ | yes |
| 17:57.05 | karim__ | I reboot |
| 17:57.06 | karim__ | bye |
| 17:58.07 | karim__ | seems a OS X x86 have benn leaked |
| 18:00.10 | demon | yeah, that's old news |
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| 18:00.21 | demon | apparently torrents have been floating aroudn for the past several days |
| 18:00.37 | SimonRaven | heh |
| 18:00.41 | Bor_Ed | yup |
| 18:01.49 | Bor_Ed | mac os x 10.4.1 intel x86 0wn3d by hax0r 3lit3.iso 666.82MB |
| 18:01.53 | Bor_Ed | it6 |
| 18:01.58 | Bor_Ed | it's on gnutellanet too |
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| 18:03.18 | SimonRaven | heh |
| 18:03.34 | Bor_Ed | just don't have x86 box to drop that in |
| 18:04.08 | karim__ | I will test it next week |
| 18:04.11 | karim__ | just per see |
| 18:04.21 | karim__ | i don't thing it's usable |
| 18:04.34 | SimonRaven | i do, but it's running linux ;) |
| 18:04.38 | karim__ | if I can install a game or windows apps I think I might reconsider this position |
| 18:04.50 | karim__ | I will simply drop windows |
| 18:04.55 | karim__ | :) |
| 18:05.11 | demon | well, it sounds like it's currently DRM'd to apple's boxes anyway |
| 18:05.12 | Bor_Ed | it only runs on apple gear |
| 18:05.29 | Bor_Ed | the palladium chip on apple boxen really |
| 18:05.36 | karim__ | they say drm is removed |
| 18:05.41 | karim__ | hacked whatever |
| 18:05.53 | karim__ | it would be useless to torrent it otherwise |
| 18:06.01 | Bor_Ed | well I read just yesterday about the new fantastic thingy they have in those p4 macs :o |
| 18:06.11 | karim__ | drm ? |
| 18:06.21 | Bor_Ed | yup |
| 18:06.23 | Bor_Ed | on HW |
| 18:06.31 | karim__ | if it was amd would you be less reluctant ? |
| 18:06.45 | karim__ | amd cpu |
| 18:07.01 | karim__ | you know, the processors |
| 18:07.04 | Bor_Ed | intel p4/3.6 cpus... |
| 18:07.11 | SimonRaven | inhel |
| 18:07.18 | Bor_Ed | and the drm is next to the northbridge |
| 18:07.22 | Bor_Ed | nothing to do with cpu |
| 18:08.16 | karim__ | I know |
| 18:08.21 | karim__ | no I don't know |
| 18:08.25 | karim__ | but that's not my question |
| 18:08.48 | karim__ | SimonRaven, if it was amd cpu and not intel would you be less reluctant ? |
| 18:08.57 | karim__ | ok I reboot |
| 18:08.58 | karim__ | bye |
| 18:09.08 | SimonRaven | i think you miss the point. no, drm is Evil(tm) |
| 18:09.16 | Bor_Ed | hehe |
| 18:09.23 | Bor_Ed | drm is ok as long as it's hackable |
| 18:09.32 | SimonRaven | yeh. okaaay. don't wait for my reply... |
| 18:09.42 | Bor_Ed | though it'll increase the prices of HW :/ |
| 18:11.24 | Bor_Ed | well, time to start investing to mpg8651d boards |
| 18:11.39 | Bor_Ed | mpc even... damn |
| 18:12.53 | demon | and now my G3 is booting with no video card |
| 18:12.55 | demon | <3 |
| 18:13.03 | Bor_Ed | hehe |
| 18:13.14 | demon | had to hack up ofboot.b :) |
| 18:13.28 | SimonRaven | woohoo |
| 18:13.34 | Bor_Ed | ahh, I had to do that on first boot trial on scsi too |
| 18:13.55 | demon | I had to rip out all the stuff that operates on the 'screen' device |
| 18:14.07 | demon | since obviously that doesn't exist when there's no framebuffer board :) |
| 18:14.23 | Bor_Ed | I was lazy and just picked up the hacked ofboot file |
| 18:15.52 | SimonRaven | heh |
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| 21:10.20 | demon | so now why is it that the latest udev packages refuse to fully install on machines running kernels older than 2.6.12? A friend who's a DD says that it works just fine, there's just stuff with the newer udev that doesn't work till 2.6.12, and I hacked the package to install and it works just fine... |
| 21:54.34 | demon | ... and the packaged PPC kernels blow up when I only have a drive connected to the onboard CMD646 chip :/ |
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| 22:00.03 | Gnuman | OK, Debian Installer does not work cleanly on my system |
| 22:00.58 | Gnuman | I tried several times before I gave up and took it back to the woody installer |
| 22:03.41 | Gnuman | I have Linux reinstalled, but for some reason initrd is having trouble with the ext3 filesystem I have as root. . . |
| 22:04.19 | Gnuman | or at least that is my guess |
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| 23:23.18 | ErRandir | Gnuman: make sure ext3 isnt build as a module |
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