| 00:07.02 | Gnuman | this is with the Debian supplied kernel. . . |
| 00:07.42 | Gnuman | the initrd is not loading. . . |
| 00:12.54 | Gnuman | when I wrap my own kernel, I build ext3 in directly, but on those X is crashing |
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| 00:32.45 | Gnuman | Perhaps I'm not building the correct vidro module. . . |
| 00:33.00 | Gnuman | that is the only thing I can think of anyway. . . |
| 00:33.42 | Gnuman | On a clamshell, I know it is the Mach64, but which one? |
| 00:34.12 | Gnuman | I always built all of them before, but perhaps one of them is interfering now. . . |
| 00:35.07 | Gnuman | Also, with gcc4.0 in place, I'm getting a lot of errors refering to "signedness" |
| 00:35.54 | Gnuman | and some things are refusing to build (the orinoco module that someone here gave me a link to comes to mind. . .) |
| 00:41.39 | SimonRaven | atyfb |
| 00:51.56 | Gnuman | Yes, that is the framebuffer device, but what hardware driver is it? |
| 00:52.24 | Gnuman | I know it is a Magh64. . . |
| 00:52.28 | Gnuman | Oh wait. . . |
| 00:54.04 | Gnuman | Well, system Profiler in Panther is of little help. . . |
| 00:54.15 | Gnuman | it just says Rage mobility L |
| 00:59.39 | Gnuman | bah, Im going to bed and will tackle this in the AM |
| 00:59.48 | SimonRaven | ati driver |
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| 14:36.20 | Curalton | right, thats why i loved OS X :/ - all the safari "tools" that will let you sort the bookmarks are 9$ upwards |
| 14:36.42 | Curalton | icky squeeze the last $ from users "community" |
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| 15:20.15 | Bor_Ed | osx has 'users' ? :) |
| 15:25.35 | Curalton | heh |
| 15:26.29 | Bor_Ed | discovery just pushing iss to higher orbit |
| 15:34.51 | Curalton | did they decide on letting the shuttle reenter orbit yet? |
| 15:45.08 | demon | did something change in mac-fdisk? my boot drive on my G3 tower doesn't have any apple driver partitions, and so now if I try to just print the partition table it loops forever spitting out a bunch of lines for oddly sized driver partitions that don't actually exist |
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| 15:51.06 | Bor_Ed | they checked the damage today and imo it looks like piece of junk |
| 15:58.11 | Curalton | eh, you can judge a heatshield? |
| 16:00.29 | Bor_Ed | shure, with the expertise I have :P |
| 16:00.52 | Bor_Ed | well, it looked pretty toasted on the couple of damaged bricks, though those will get replaced tomorrow |
| 16:10.27 | Q-FUNK | hm |
| 16:10.49 | Q-FUNK | do newworlds require a partition map to be present on the CD too? |
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| 16:22.13 | nusse | hello |
| 16:22.50 | nusse | when turning on power i hear only a short sound, not the real one. what does it mean? |
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| 17:06.28 | Bor_Ed | hrm, helixplayer is crashy all the sudden:o |
| 17:46.33 | nusse | uarg, this of makes me go crazy |
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| 18:36.37 | Gnuman | Well, I got wireless working under Linux. . . |
| 18:37.27 | Gnuman | using a hand rolled 2.6.12 kernel (I don't know why it worked this time, when it crashed on X startup all the other times though |
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| 18:38.14 | Gnuman | I manually inserted the ssid for the AP I wanted in /etc/network/interfaces, and it workes now. . . |
| 18:40.48 | Gnuman | interestingly, when I get closer to the AP, the link quality goes down. . . |
| 18:42.33 | Gnuman | Perhaps it is because all the other APs that are likely talking over this one are also in this part of thier respective apartments (three stacked on to of each other) |
| 18:43.15 | Gnuman | I dunno. . . |
| 18:43.35 | Gnuman | and the test by fire will be when I'm on the road and switch the settings back to essid "any" |
| 18:45.54 | Gnuman | I also have a fresh, clean installation, without the accumulated crap that the old install had gathered. . . |
| 18:54.31 | Gnuman | full install, with most if not all of the tools I need in under 1.5G |
| 18:54.31 | Gnuman | now I just need a tool to scan for APs and a way to associate with them on the fly. . . |
| 18:54.31 | Gnuman | anyone know of such a thing? |
| 18:54.31 | Gnuman | Oh, and with Sarge released, what is unstable called now? |
| 18:54.32 | Gnuman | Sid? or is Sid testing? |
| 18:54.34 | Gnuman | am I actually connected? or am I talking to myself? |
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| 19:04.24 | Gnuman | OK, I'seeing join messages, so I must be connected. . . |
| 19:05.05 | Bor_Ed | sid == still in development and always will have that name for some reason |
| 19:05.56 | Bor_Ed | next testing is etch as it says on debian.org news side of the site and so on |
| 19:06.26 | demon | sid will always be sid, because it's an appropriate name |
| 19:06.32 | demon | :) |
| 19:07.31 | Bor_Ed | though toy story figures are running low on the stable release naming so I'm looking forward to see the next one after etch (if I'm still alive then) |
| 19:08.22 | Gnuman | Bor_Ed: why would you not be alive? |
| 19:08.50 | Gnuman | You live in the USA or something? |
| 19:08.51 | Bor_Ed | well, according to current release cycle I might die to old age |
| 19:09.10 | Gnuman | I thought you just graduated HS? |
| 19:09.14 | Gnuman | <G> |
| 19:09.28 | Bor_Ed | I'm ~30 ... |
| 19:09.45 | Gnuman | I've got 14 years on you. . . |
| 19:10.07 | Gnuman | I plan on seeing quite a few releases yet |
| 19:10.08 | Bor_Ed | anyway, off to check a doc clip |
| 19:10.21 | Gnuman | *nod* |
| 19:10.58 | Gnuman | so unstable is called etch now? |
| 19:11.16 | demon | no, etch is testing |
| 19:11.31 | demon | as noted, sid is unstable, and will remain so |
| 19:12.53 | Gnuman | unstable is sid then? |
| 19:13.05 | Gnuman | OK, I thought sarge was unstable |
| 19:13.05 | Gnuman | what do i call this system then, if it is mixed? |
| 19:13.05 | Gnuman | the US sources are unstable, but the non-us are stable |
| 19:13.06 | Gnuman | as non-us does not seem to *have* an unstable tree. . . |
| 19:15.32 | Gnuman | Oh, and what "issues" can I expect from 2.6.12 on a clamshell? |
| 19:21.01 | demon | there is no non-US now |
| 19:21.08 | demon | non-US is gone |
| 19:21.31 | demon | because of changes in laws re: encryption technology export controls |
| 19:22.10 | demon | clamshell iBook? I dunno, I used to have one with rage m3 graphics, but I have a pismo these days |
| 19:22.31 | demon | haven't tried 2.6.12 on it though |
| 19:24.38 | Gnuman | I had heard that .12 had "issues", and was wondering what those might be. . . |
| 19:25.30 | Gnuman | I don't see any yes, but I'm not done tweaking this new install yet |
| 19:25.39 | Gnuman | yet. |
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| 19:43.56 | Gnuman | demon: Since non-us is no more, does that mean that it will be going away soon? |
| 19:44.15 | _rene_ | it is gone away. it is dead. |
| 19:44.31 | _rene_ | it's dead since years |
| 19:44.33 | Gnuman | it still connects. . . |
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| 19:44.49 | Gnuman | the archives are still there. . . |
| 19:45.12 | _rene_ | and? the archive software is not running? |
| 19:45.15 | _rene_ | s/?/ |
| 19:45.17 | Gnuman | so what happens to the archives when the tree goes away (is taken off the server)? |
| 19:45.24 | _rene_ | nothing sensible is there anymore except old cruft |
| 19:45.35 | _rene_ | many mirrors don't even mirror it anymore |
| 19:45.42 | _rene_ | it's completely dead |
| 19:45.53 | _rene_ | Gnuman: then you get errors |
| 19:46.07 | _rene_ | just take it out and next time please read the proper announcements |
| 19:47.09 | Gnuman | Well, it was still listed in the woody installer. . . |
| 19:47.34 | Gnuman | the sarge installer failed consistantly on my iBook. . . |
| 19:47.49 | _rene_ | well. woody. there still was some stuff in there |
| 19:47.56 | _rene_ | but woody is ancient anyhow |
| 19:48.02 | _rene_ | Gnuman: how? worked fine on my ibook |
| 19:48.13 | _rene_ | you probably did something wrong... |
| 19:48.14 | Gnuman | yes, that is why I do a two stage install. . . |
| 19:48.19 | nusse | omg, youre soo old you could be my grandfather |
| 19:48.39 | Gnuman | mine is a clamshell. . . |
| 19:48.49 | Gnuman | It failed to detect hardware. . . |
| 19:49.01 | Gnuman | and would go no further. . . |
| 19:49.21 | _rene_ | a) please writer proper sentences |
| 19:49.24 | Gnuman | it also failed to find the .iso when it was on hfsplus partition |
| 19:49.31 | _rene_ | b) no idea, I just have a "normal" ibook |
| 19:50.59 | Gnuman | I had to copy the .iso to my target drive in order for it to be found |
| 19:51.28 | Gnuman | and it failed to extract on the first try each time |
| 19:51.49 | _rene_ | is this a oldworld-ibook? is there some like that? |
| 19:51.52 | Gnuman | then I got errors (failure detecting hardware) every time after that |
| 19:51.57 | _rene_ | why don't you just boot from cd? |
| 19:52.11 | Gnuman | I do not have a burner |
| 19:52.14 | _rene_ | anyway, no idea about "not normal" ibooks... |
| 19:52.38 | Gnuman | this is an original iBook (clamshell), and is new-world |
| 19:52.59 | _rene_ | then just use the cd. |
| 19:53.10 | _rene_ | or try netboot, never tried that, though |
| 19:53.24 | _rene_ | worked fine here anyway. without any simple problem during install |
| 19:53.27 | Gnuman | and the fact that I do not have a burner, or the CD means nothing to you? |
| 19:54.09 | _rene_ | you don't know anyone with a burner? |
| 19:54.20 | Gnuman | I'm not near home. . . |
| 19:54.45 | Gnuman | staying with a friend until I get the contents of my wallet back so I can return home. . . |
| 19:55.24 | Gnuman | I wanted to be able to connect from within Linux, without having to resort to a cat5 cable. . . |
| 19:55.59 | Gnuman | I know already that it is time for me to upgrade this old laptop, but I do not have the cash at the moment |
| 19:56.55 | Gnuman | it is going to take most of my available time and money to get the 3K miles home. . . |
| 19:57.38 | Gnuman | then, once I have saved up enough cash, I'll pick up an early G43 Powerbook |
| 19:57.46 | Gnuman | errr, G4 |
| 19:58.15 | Gnuman | something on the order of 600 or 700 Mhz |
| 19:58.40 | Gnuman | Until I do that i will not have a burner when I travel |
| 19:59.29 | Gnuman | and any install will have to be a two stage process: Install Woody, then upgrade to Sid |
| 20:00.18 | _rene_ | sid? lol. sid is broken at the moment |
| 20:00.29 | _rene_ | don't do that if you don't even get the install straight |
| 20:03.06 | Gnuman | OK, whatever Unstable is called by you then |
| 20:03.13 | Gnuman | I thought it was Sid |
| 20:04.01 | demon | sid and unstable are the same thing... |
| 20:04.22 | Gnuman | it does not seem "broken" to me though |
| 20:04.30 | demon | well, it is... |
| 20:04.33 | Gnuman | what is broken about it? |
| 20:04.49 | demon | they just moved to X.org, there's a C ABI change underway, and some other stuff is going on |
| 20:05.07 | demon | and I suppose gnome 2.12 will start migrating in before too long now |
| 20:05.30 | Gnuman | OK, the x.org stuff is garbage, but I can tell it to use xfree86. . . |
| 20:05.53 | demon | not really |
| 20:05.55 | Gnuman | and the C stuff I noticed. |
| 20:06.06 | demon | x.org is more than just the X server, you know |
| 20:06.13 | demon | it's all the X libraries |
| 20:06.17 | demon | and utilities |
| 20:06.23 | Gnuman | I get a lot of errors concerning "signedness" when I compile. . . |
| 20:06.23 | demon | and everything else that goes with it |
| 20:06.31 | demon | yeah, that's due to GCC 4 |
| 20:06.44 | demon | it's stricter about some stuff than GCC 3.x was |
| 20:07.02 | Gnuman | I'm betting that it will be fixed soon, though |
| 20:07.02 | demon | (data type sign differences being one of those things) |
| 20:07.16 | SimonRaven | C++, not C |
| 20:07.20 | demon | yeah, when everyone fixes their code to not intermix sign changes |
| 20:07.28 | SimonRaven | heh |
| 20:07.31 | demon | er, signed/unsigned types rather |
| 20:07.45 | SimonRaven | yeh, gcc 4 is really picky about it |
| 20:08.06 | demon | I built and booted 2.6.12.3 against gcc 4.0.1 on my G3 B&W |
| 20:08.11 | demon | and that works |
| 20:08.25 | Gnuman | so 12.3 is working then? |
| 20:08.33 | SimonRaven | i built several kernels with gcc 4, several packages, and they work nicely |
| 20:08.33 | demon | so obviously the generated code isn't too broken |
| 20:08.36 | Gnuman | I'm using a plain .12 |
| 20:09.09 | SimonRaven | i suspect gcc 4 will root out any borked code |
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| 20:09.13 | Gnuman | Oh, SimonRaven I'm finally on wireless in Linux |
| 20:09.17 | SimonRaven | :) |
| 20:09.44 | Gnuman | I think that scrapping the fs and reinstalling may have helped. . . |
| 20:10.07 | Gnuman | as the kernel built and worked nicely from the first try |
| 20:11.39 | Gnuman | I specified the AP I wanted in /etc/network/interfaces, but that is all I did differently |
| 20:12.32 | Gnuman | granted the signal level is less than I would want, but I'm connected. . . |
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| 20:13.08 | Gnuman | OH, AND THERE IS ONE ODDNESS |
| 20:13.18 | Gnuman | damn caps lock |
| 20:13.42 | Gnuman | the closer I get to the AP I'm using, the worse the signal is |
| 20:14.30 | Gnuman | it is like all the other APs are also in that area and I'm getting a lot of crosstalk |
| 20:15.38 | Gnuman | I think everyone is using chan 6 |
| 20:17.05 | Gnuman | hehe, yeah, I thought of that. . . |
| 20:17.36 | SimonRaven | and i don't even use wifi |
| 20:18.24 | Gnuman | However, I'm using an original AirPort Card, and can only use 40 bit WEP |
| 20:18.44 | Gnuman | I did change the channel on the router. . . |
| 20:19.23 | Gnuman | but that did not seem to help before |
| 20:20.26 | Gnuman | when I was just simply trying to connect, WEP was not an issue (open AP), and would have added an unneccessary level of complexity |
| 20:20.52 | SimonRaven | afk |
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