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| 08:46.21 | Q-FUNK | it appears that I might have found a willing volunteer to fix ALSA permanently for all PowerMac subarches. |
| 08:46.31 | Q-FUNK | https://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/alsa-bug/view.php?id=306 |
| 08:46.38 | Q-FUNK | (use the Guest user to view) |
| 08:47.07 | Q-FUNK | piem: I especially mean You! :) check it our and add any info that you might have. |
| 09:07.43 | assassin | ooooooooo |
| 09:08.06 | assassin | He totally 113'd you |
| 09:22.58 | Q-FUNK | seems so |
| 09:31.25 | SimonRaven | *SIGH* pam-ldap and pam-heimdal are still fucked. |
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| 09:33.09 | SimonRaven | fuckin relocation errors and shit |
| 09:47.26 | Q-FUNK | downgrade to stable release? |
| 10:06.58 | SimonRaven | no. just recent stuff in sid. filed bugs, waiting for reply. |
| 10:07.18 | SimonRaven | othing to write home about |
| 10:07.19 | SimonRaven | n |
| 10:07.53 | Q-FUNK | allrgiht then :) |
| 10:08.29 | SimonRaven | :) |
| 10:09.35 | Q-FUNK | SimonRaven: saw the ALSA bit above? |
| 10:09.43 | Q-FUNK | it seems that things are starting to move a bit |
| 10:09.45 | SimonRaven | yeh. sounds cool |
| 10:09.58 | SimonRaven | :) |
| 10:10.11 | SimonRaven | (finally) |
| 10:10.18 | Q-FUNK | the main requirement seems to be for people to file individual bug reports for each ALSA/pmac bug they find. |
| 10:10.28 | SimonRaven | ok |
| 10:10.55 | Q-FUNK | that requires creating an account on the ALSa bts, which I would think not too many people will be enthusiastic about... |
| 10:11.14 | SimonRaven | wouldn't be so bad if it worked ;) |
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| 13:34.43 | trimethy | hi all |
| 13:35.18 | trimethy | I'm looking for some help regarding a powerbook configuration |
| 13:35.55 | trimethy | more specific the keyboard configuration (I'm struggeling with this for quit some days now) |
| 13:36.00 | trimethy | Anyone ? |
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| 13:58.12 | piem | Q-FUNK: cool! |
| 13:58.19 | piem | mmh, where is he gone ? :) |
| 13:58.46 | Bor_Ed | to follow world championship games in downtown prolly |
| 14:05.44 | ErRandir | trimethy: whats the problem? and what kernel version? |
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| 14:22.27 | trimethy | Hi ErRandir: kernel 2.6.12.3-powerbook-1 with fn key patch applied, but pbbuttons doesn't recognize my key strokes |
| 14:22.59 | trimethy | So adjustment of backlight for lcd and keyboard doesn't work |
| 14:24.23 | trimethy | it's a 17" 1,67 Mhz alubook |
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| 15:01.31 | ForrestF | how do i read a mac os 10.1 hd from a x86 debian |
| 15:15.26 | pahartik | ForrestF: if you want to mount HFS+ or UFS, you can do it |
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| 15:43.30 | nusse | you also need mac partitiontable support |
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| 15:49.00 | pahartik | ForrestF: look for "CONFIG_MAC_PARTITION", "CONFIG_HFSPLUS_FS", "CONFIG_UFS_FS" in "/boot/config-$(uname --release)" |
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| 15:56.18 | ForrestF | wow |
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| 16:13.34 | ForrestF | how do i mount the hardrive then |
| 16:14.37 | pahartik | ForrestF: "man mount" |
| 16:21.50 | ForrestF | it says i must give a filesystem type |
| 16:22.01 | ForrestF | after adding a FSTAB |
| 16:22.11 | ForrestF | i just said auto for filesystem |
| 16:26.16 | pahartik | ForrestF: it is "hfsplus" or "ufs" |
| 16:27.58 | ForrestF | dont know |
| 16:28.27 | ForrestF | i know the OS was 10.1 |
| 16:29.26 | ForrestF | ill try both |
| 16:29.50 | pahartik | ForrestF: one could use "disktype" to figure out things about partitions and filesystems |
| 16:33.02 | ForrestF | its UFS |
| 16:33.12 | ForrestF | but what -o should i use |
| 16:37.04 | pahartik | ForrestF: as mentioned in "man mount", "ufstype=openstep,ro" |
| 16:37.33 | ForrestF | soreading the man age would help[ |
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| 17:08.04 | galaxico | has anybody any idea why kernels compiled on a powerbook G4 6,8 do not boot? |
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| 17:12.22 | pahartik | galaxico: specify how does it "not boot"? |
| 17:13.03 | galaxico | well when i try to reboot the kernel hangs on the setup_arch enter stage |
| 17:14.38 | pahartik | galaxico: show "/boot/config-$(uname --release)" for that kernel? |
| 17:16.14 | galaxico | what do you mean show? i tried by just copying the config file from the Debian kernel-images |
| 17:16.36 | galaxico | which by the way boot ok! |
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| 17:24.04 | pahartik | galaxico: but kernel images provided by Debian work? |
| 17:24.16 | galaxico | yes! |
| 17:24.43 | galaxico | that's what puzzles more! |
| 17:25.04 | pahartik | galaxico: did you build by "make-kpkg"? |
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| 17:25.27 | galaxico | yes, using also the --initrd option |
| 17:26.12 | iGZo | hey gang |
| 17:28.42 | pahartik | galaxico: i only use host and CPU specific kernel configurations... |
| 17:29.00 | iGZo | is it ok to post prblems here? |
| 17:29.21 | galaxico | pahatric: what do you mean? |
| 17:31.08 | pahartik | galaxico: i do not know how to build kernel with similar configuration to Debian kernel images |
| 17:32.14 | galaxico | similar means just copying say the config-2.6.8-powerpc file to the kernel source tree as .config! |
| 17:32.47 | iGZo | well, it looks like i am in the right area :) |
| 17:32.50 | pahartik | galaxico: i do not remember if i ever tried that |
| 17:33.43 | galaxico | i tried other configs as well with many different 2.6.x kernels but none worked! |
| 17:34.38 | galaxico | how do you compile a 2.6.x kernel ? |
| 17:36.11 | pahartik | galaxico: without "initrd" support and configured to match what i plan to do with each host... |
| 17:36.22 | iGZo | my usb on my b&w keeps "turning off" after what would seem like a couple of hours or so. No kb/mouse, eveyrthing else operates normally. Happens with CENTOS (2.6.10_EL) & Debian (2.6.8)... this machine has been running OpenBSD for a couple of years no problem. Needed MOL, so switched to Linux. |
| 17:37.25 | galaxico | pahartik: have you compiled a 2.6.x kernel on a powerbook G4 6,8 ? |
| 17:38.49 | pahartik | galaxico: currently running Linux 2.6.12 on previous iBook G4 model |
| 17:39.41 | galaxico | i suspect that some critical changes were made with the latest generations of power/iBooks! |
| 17:40.16 | galaxico | anyway i will try with no initrd option (though i think that i have tried that already!) |
| 17:40.22 | galaxico | thanks anyway! |
| 17:42.18 | pahartik | galaxico: can you show your "dmesg"? |
| 17:43.58 | galaxico | how? (i am not an irc expert !) |
| 17:44.42 | pahartik | galaxico: put it on HTTP server and refer to it with URL |
| 17:48.01 | galaxico | it is a bit difficult right now! i will try later or post it to the mailing list! |
| 17:48.03 | galaxico | thanks |
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| 18:02.14 | xbaez | someone have configured an usb wireless adapter g with 54mb in a ibook g4 ? |
| 18:02.47 | xbaez | i wanna buy one usb adapter but i don't know what usb adapter buy |
| 18:05.52 | xbaez | please help me |
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| 18:14.28 | spectie | hey all |
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| 18:15.31 | xbaez | hi spectie |
| 18:15.36 | spectie | hey |
| 18:15.53 | spectie | i'm looking for some love regarding installing debian on an old world powermac (7600) with a g3 upgrade card in |
| 18:16.25 | spectie | what are my chances? |
| 18:16.39 | iGZo | (and i thought i had problems) :) |
| 18:16.55 | spectie | i just spent 8 hours battling with my elderly cd writer to write the damned install cd |
| 18:17.00 | spectie | so i hope its possible ^_^ |
| 18:17.48 | kimo_sabe | spectie: the CDs arn't going to boot on an oldworld |
| 18:17.54 | spectie | yeah, i figured that |
| 18:17.54 | iGZo | i think BootX is used instead of yaboot, not sure, my oldest mac here is a beige g3 |
| 18:18.28 | spectie | so how do i get the install process started? |
| 18:20.23 | iGZo | via quik or bootx (i googled for it) |
| 18:21.14 | SimonRaven | bootx for beiges |
| 18:21.16 | SimonRaven | or quik |
| 18:21.18 | spectie | url? |
| 18:21.24 | spectie | well, which is easier? |
| 18:21.25 | spectie | ;) |
| 18:21.27 | SimonRaven | @install guide |
| 18:21.28 | ravenbird | for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual ; sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual ; sid: /msg ravenbird iyhtays. |
| 18:21.37 | SimonRaven | for a beige, use bootx |
| 18:21.41 | spectie | this is sarge |
| 18:21.42 | spectie | ok |
| 18:21.58 | SimonRaven | (it's easier, since it has issues with OF and the IDE bus) |
| 18:22.56 | spectie | right |
| 18:23.09 | spectie | am i going to need to write some floppies ? |
| 18:23.26 | SimonRaven | yeh, the pci pmacs have an OF |
| 18:23.31 | SimonRaven | yes |
| 18:23.39 | spectie | right, are they on the cd ? |
| 18:24.00 | SimonRaven | you can get them at the same place you got the cds if they aren't |
| 18:24.27 | SimonRaven | i don't remember seeing floppy images on it (woody cd you do iirc) |
| 18:24.28 | spectie | i downloaded the netinst iso |
| 18:24.33 | spectie | for sarge |
| 18:24.50 | SimonRaven | doubt it |
| 18:25.11 | spectie | ok |
| 18:25.14 | spectie | so 1. find floppies |
| 18:26.00 | spectie | ugh, the chances of getting a set of floppies that match my cd are slim n'est pas? |
| 18:26.26 | SimonRaven | no |
| 18:26.58 | spectie | ok |
| 18:27.01 | spectie | 5 disks... |
| 18:27.33 | iGZo | SR: any ideas on my usb issue? |
| 18:28.45 | spectie | SimonRaven, so... i should be able to boot off floppy |
| 18:28.50 | spectie | is there a key combo i'll need to do? |
| 18:29.01 | SimonRaven | no, just insert it |
| 18:29.11 | spectie | and then reboot? |
| 18:29.47 | SimonRaven | insert after reboot. the install guide sets this out in detail |
| 18:30.11 | spectie | ok |
| 18:30.55 | spectie | got it |
| 18:32.42 | spectie | haha |
| 18:32.47 | spectie | it spat out the disk :[ |
| 18:32.52 | spectie | whiz-ur-whiz |
| 18:36.05 | SimonRaven | either bad floppy, or bad "burn" |
| 18:36.26 | spectie | i'm gonna try it once more |
| 18:36.30 | spectie | then re write it |
| 18:36.45 | spectie | might the g3 upgrade card have anything to do with it? |
| 18:37.46 | SimonRaven | g3 upgrade card? what machine is this? |
| 18:37.54 | spectie | its a powermac 7600 |
| 18:38.20 | SimonRaven | fyi, putting in a g3 or g4 daughtercard into a pci pmac doesn't make it a beige g3 |
| 18:38.28 | spectie | thats true |
| 18:38.32 | SimonRaven | beige g3 is something specific |
| 18:38.40 | spectie | i wasn't saying this was a beige g3 |
| 18:38.46 | SimonRaven | this changes things. that *will* boot quik np |
| 18:38.54 | spectie | ah ok |
| 18:38.56 | SimonRaven | ok, i misread something |
| 18:39.10 | spectie | right, do i need a different set of instructions then? |
| 18:39.26 | SimonRaven | no. only difference is that quik will run ok on it |
| 18:39.50 | SimonRaven | makes it easier to set it up due to the older but less buggy OF |
| 18:40.03 | spectie | ok |
| 18:40.13 | spectie | quik is on the floppies too? |
| 18:40.26 | spectie | because i just tried another (and it dd'd fine) and it spat it out again too |
| 18:40.37 | SimonRaven | well once the install is tsarted it'll have an option to go fetch it and install it |
| 18:40.44 | SimonRaven | started* |
| 18:41.01 | SimonRaven | sounds like a bad floppy |
| 18:41.07 | spectie | two bad floppies... |
| 18:42.16 | SimonRaven | what i do is re-download and re-do the dd'ing on them, then make sure the floppy is good by playing with it, mkfs.ext2, or erase disk from mock os, etc. if it mounts and so on it's good |
| 18:42.30 | SimonRaven | well, not in that order :) |
| 18:42.59 | spectie | i'll try copying the data off this one after i've made it |
| 18:43.55 | spectie | there should only be one file on the bootfloppy right? |
| 18:43.57 | spectie | 'vmlinuz' |
| 18:44.23 | spectie | copied fine |
| 18:44.52 | spectie | nope |
| 18:44.55 | spectie | spat it out again |
| 18:44.55 | SimonRaven | no, boot.bin and root.bin, plus the net-drivers one |
| 18:45.08 | SimonRaven | GO READ INSTALL GUIDE |
| 18:45.20 | spectie | you mean boot.img ? |
| 18:45.23 | spectie | or boot.bin? |
| 18:46.08 | spectie | erm, just let me check i'm reading the right thing |
| 18:46.25 | spectie | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/powerpc/ch04s03.html.en |
| 18:46.34 | spectie | "Creating Floppies from Disk Images" |
| 18:46.34 | spectie | ? |
| 18:47.10 | SimonRaven | yes |
| 18:47.35 | spectie | well, when i mount the floppy after dd'ing boot.bin |
| 18:47.36 | spectie | in linux |
| 18:47.40 | spectie | i see 1 file |
| 18:47.43 | spectie | "vmlinuz" |
| 18:49.16 | spectie | (btw, when i say copied fine, i mean that i dd'd the image to the disk, mounted it, and copied the vmlinuz file off and got no i/o errors) |
| 18:50.01 | spectie | it spat it out again (4th floppy) |
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| 22:18.43 | spectie | evening all |
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| 22:26.51 | spectie | woo-fucking-hoo |
| 22:43.35 | pahartik | spectie: did you get further? |
| 22:46.40 | spectie | yeah |
| 22:46.42 | spectie | i'm installing now |
| 22:46.49 | spectie | had to use boot-hfs-?.img |
| 22:47.19 | pahartik | spectie: that booted from floppy disk? |
| 22:47.23 | spectie | yeah |
| 22:47.30 | spectie | its installing woody not sarge |
| 22:47.34 | spectie | but i can cope with that for now |
| 22:48.08 | spectie | i'm slightly concerned that it won't fit on the 80mb first hdd |
| 22:48.13 | spectie | but i'm holding out hope |
| 22:48.19 | spectie | it didn't seem to pick up my second hdd |
| 22:48.42 | spectie | it seemed to pick up my skanky usb card too |
| 22:48.46 | spectie | that i pulled out of one of my pcs |
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| 22:53.10 | spectie | its showing the processor as a 604e though |
| 22:53.18 | spectie | and i know its got a swanky g3 upgrade card in it |
| 22:53.32 | spectie | :s |
| 22:53.38 | spectie | do i need to do anything special to get that working? |
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| 23:24.34 | spectie | hey all |
| 23:24.41 | spectie | what is the smallest woody base install? |
| 23:24.52 | spectie | i hope its < 80m |
| 23:30.58 | witch | spectie: I am not sure, but it fits into 125M as far as I remember |
| 23:32.42 | spectie | k |
| 23:32.53 | spectie | for some reason the installer isn't picking up my second disk |
| 23:33.10 | spectie | which leaves me with my "spacious" 80mb quantum prodrive |
| 23:33.51 | Curalton | go to the shell while it installs and remove stuff :) |
| 23:34.16 | iGZo | that is some old-ass hw dude, i thought I was bad :) |
| 23:34.57 | spectie | Curalton, i just removed amiga-fdisk |
| 23:34.57 | spectie | :) |
| 23:35.10 | spectie | iGZo, heh |
| 23:35.16 | iGZo | i was waiting to hear about syquest drives there for a sec |
| 23:35.24 | spectie | can anyone think of a reason why it wouldn't be picking up my second hdd? |
| 23:35.24 | Curalton | spectie: /usr/share/doc/! |
| 23:35.34 | spectie | (lol i have one (a syquest)) |
| 23:35.37 | spectie | Curalton, good idea! |
| 23:35.46 | iGZo | :) |
| 23:36.05 | Curalton | spectie: i'm just a newworld ibook owner, check the start of dmesg |
| 23:43.14 | spectie | blah |
| 23:43.21 | spectie | accdidentally deleted something it was using :[ |
| 23:43.53 | spectie | hmm |
| 23:43.58 | spectie | doesn't have anything in the dmesg |
| 23:44.00 | spectie | :/ |
| 23:44.14 | spectie | gives the hdd and the cd drive |
| 23:45.31 | Curalton | then try a newer kernel maybe once its up |
| 23:47.35 | spectie | yeah |
| 23:47.38 | spectie | thats what i figured i'd do |
| 23:47.41 | spectie | got to get it on first |
| 23:47.46 | spectie | ooh, just found a spare 160mb drive |
| 23:47.47 | spectie | ^_^ |
| 23:47.57 | spectie | right |
| 23:47.58 | spectie | pop question |
| 23:48.13 | spectie | nothing of the mac bios is stored on the hdd right? |
| 23:48.21 | Curalton | no |
| 23:48.24 | Curalton | afaik |
| 23:48.30 | spectie | ok |
| 23:48.37 | spectie | i might switch the drives and give this a go... |
| 23:48.38 | spectie | brb |
| 23:48.40 | Curalton | well, newworld |
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