| 00:03.40 | spectie | found a one gig disk |
| 00:03.46 | spectie | that should be more than enough to start off with |
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| 00:19.16 | spectie | anyone know off the top of their heads what kind of memory the 7600s take? |
| 00:24.02 | iGZo | 168pin DRAM DIMMS, 512MB max |
| 00:25.54 | spectie | cool thanks |
| 00:26.03 | spectie | so PC memory? |
| 00:26.20 | spectie | i've got heaps of that lying around |
| 00:26.54 | spectie | iGZo, don't suppose you know anything about getting g3 upgrade cards to work with linux ? |
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| 00:52.21 | spectie | blah this is retarded |
| 00:52.25 | spectie | just got it installed |
| 00:52.34 | spectie | and now it boots, but the disk i installed it on doesn't come up |
| 00:52.37 | spectie | and it can't mount / |
| 00:53.36 | iGZo | its a start |
| 00:55.01 | spectie | heh aye |
| 00:55.13 | spectie | to be honest i'm happy i've got the installer booting |
| 00:55.20 | spectie | just need to find some better disks |
| 00:55.29 | spectie | but where i'm going to find old style scsi disks is another matter |
| 00:57.03 | spectie | WOOOOOOOOOO |
| 00:57.06 | spectie | this disk is so iffy |
| 00:57.09 | spectie | it just worked! |
| 01:00.53 | SimonRaven | cool |
| 01:01.24 | spectie | still claiming the cpu is 604e though |
| 01:01.24 | spectie | :/ |
| 01:02.48 | SimonRaven | you sure you have the right daughtercard in it? it should say 740/750 or similar |
| 01:03.25 | SimonRaven | afk |
| 01:04.08 | spectie | yeah |
| 01:04.13 | spectie | it was working in macos |
| 01:04.15 | spectie | (9.1) |
| 01:04.26 | spectie | i can't remember the exact name of it |
| 01:04.29 | spectie | something like mach g3 |
| 01:05.07 | spectie | xlr8 mach g3 400 |
| 01:05.08 | spectie | i think |
| 01:11.48 | spectie | what kernel would you guys recommend for ppc? |
| 01:11.52 | spectie | a 2.4 or 2.6 ? |
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| 01:23.16 | spectie | hey peterrooney |
| 01:23.31 | spectie | what kernel would you recommend for an oldworld mac? 2.6 or 2.4? |
| 01:25.08 | pahartik | spectie: Linux 2.6, unless one uses some hardware that is broken on it |
| 01:25.12 | spectie | ok cool |
| 01:25.16 | spectie | thats what i thought |
| 01:28.25 | pahartik | spectie: i had to keep using Linux 2.4 because newer DVB drivers misbehaved badly, until recently |
| 01:29.12 | spectie | this is pretty much a vanilla 7600 |
| 01:29.18 | spectie | except with an ohci pci usb card |
| 01:29.21 | spectie | (bog standard) |
| 01:29.30 | spectie | and a mach 400 (i think) g3 upgrade card |
| 01:29.34 | spectie | which isn't working yet |
| 01:29.34 | pahartik | spectie: another thing is Advansys SCSI adapter, that worked on first Linux 2.6 versions but is broken now |
| 01:29.52 | spectie | this is MESH scsi |
| 01:32.19 | pahartik | spectie: that SCSI adapter is PCI card, much faster than narrow on-board SCSI |
| 01:33.03 | spectie | ah k |
| 01:34.35 | spectie | hmm |
| 01:35.20 | spectie | seems like the cards are supported |
| 01:35.33 | spectie | did they do 200mhz g3 upgrade cards? |
| 01:35.45 | spectie | and would it come up as 604e or g3 in /proc/cpuinfo? |
| 01:36.16 | pahartik | spectie: card is on CPU slot? |
| 01:36.39 | spectie | 'cos this is a 7600/132 but /proc/cpuinfo says: "cpu : 604e clock : 200MHz bogomips : 399.45 |
| 01:36.50 | spectie | hmm, you know there are three pci slots |
| 01:36.57 | spectie | well, its in the slot to the right |
| 01:38.30 | pahartik | spectie: so it is on PCI slot and not on CPU slot |
| 01:38.43 | spectie | well nope, i don't think so |
| 01:39.11 | spectie | blah, ldconfig is segfaulting now :/ |
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| 01:42.36 | spectie | root@hizashi:~# dpkg-reconfigure libc6 |
| 01:42.36 | spectie | /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: libc6 is broken or not fully installed |
| 01:42.38 | spectie | :( |
| 01:43.42 | peterrooney | spectie: i use 2.4, and it's possible to get a full gig on a 7600 |
| 01:43.44 | pahartik | spectie: i have got PowerMacintosh 7500 and 7300 here, both running just fine |
| 01:44.00 | pahartik | spectie: ...with PowerPC 604e... |
| 01:44.00 | spectie | peterrooney, full gig? |
| 01:44.15 | spectie | pahartik, aye, but seems a shame to not use the card if its installed :) |
| 01:44.32 | pahartik | peterrooney: define "full gig"? |
| 01:44.45 | peterrooney | spectie: 8 slots, 128MB each |
| 01:44.53 | spectie | ah ok |
| 01:45.01 | spectie | but its still only 132mhz ? |
| 01:45.40 | pahartik | spectie: 166 and 200 MHz |
| 01:46.12 | spectie | ah, so the 7600 comes in 166 and 200mhz flavours too? |
| 01:48.14 | spectie | crap, i think i've fucked my system and its only been installed an hour |
| 01:48.21 | pahartik | spectie: i think CPU slots of PowerMacintosh 7300, 7500 and 7600 (and some other models from that time) are identical or at least compatible |
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| 01:49.43 | peterrooney | I've never seen a 200MHz version of the 7600; see also http://lowendmac.com/ppc/7600.shtml |
| 01:49.43 | spectie | argh :/ |
| 01:49.58 | spectie | peterrooney, thats what /proc/cpuinfo is telling me |
| 01:50.25 | spectie | does anyone know how to force libc6 to install even if ldconfig fails? |
| 01:50.42 | peterrooney | spectie: bogomips does not indicate cpu speed. |
| 01:50.56 | spectie | peterrooney, /proc/cpuinfo says: "cpu : 604e clock : 200MHz bogomips : 399.45" |
| 01:51.17 | peterrooney | spectie: my machine w/ 400Mhz upgrade shows about 800 bogomips |
| 01:51.32 | spectie | peterrooney, g3 upgrade? |
| 01:51.42 | spectie | what does /proc/cpuinfo say about your cpu? |
| 01:52.42 | peterrooney | spectie: one moment... different room, not on network... |
| 01:52.49 | spectie | k |
| 01:54.56 | peterrooney | clock: 195 Mhz ... cpu: 740/750 ... bogomips: 799.53 |
| 01:55.15 | peterrooney | what's messed up w/ your sys, btw? |
| 01:55.34 | spectie | peterrooney, tried to upgrade libc6 (apt-get dist-upgrade) |
| 01:55.35 | spectie | and it failed |
| 01:55.46 | spectie | and now its half installed |
| 01:55.51 | spectie | because ldconfig segfaults |
| 01:56.02 | spectie | (what upgrade card are you using xlr8?) |
| 01:56.16 | spectie | is a five line paste ok? |
| 01:56.28 | peterrooney | ooh, libc6. you should have sacrificed a year old goat without blemish first... |
| 01:56.36 | spectie | :< |
| 01:56.46 | peterrooney | spectie: sonnet crescendo |
| 01:56.57 | spectie | ah ok |
| 01:57.20 | spectie | is the paste ok? |
| 01:58.04 | peterrooney | spectie: paste is fine by me, where is it? |
| 01:59.00 | spectie | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/GhHptT68.html |
| 02:00.56 | spectie | and of course you can't do anything without that installed |
| 02:02.19 | peterrooney | well, you can do repeated iterations of apt-get -f install, or dig in manually with dpkg and oodles of force-depends... |
| 02:02.35 | spectie | ah, i've tried repeated iterations of apt-get -f install |
| 02:02.45 | spectie | the problem is that ldconfig segfaults when i try and run it |
| 02:03.30 | peterrooney | ldconfig segfaults when you run apt-get? |
| 02:03.34 | spectie | yeah |
| 02:04.50 | peterrooney | spectie: stop what you're doing, find a goat, and start over. i can't imagine what went wrong. this is beyond my level of expertise. |
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| 02:05.55 | spectie | lol |
| 02:05.58 | peterrooney | spectie: others may have better suggestions |
| 02:06.03 | spectie | i think i'll do that in the morrow |
| 02:06.07 | spectie | its like 3am here now |
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| 02:06.53 | peterrooney | spectie: next time, take notes. the old adage is 'log everything you do as root' , and installation counts as being root |
| 02:08.32 | peterrooney | spectie: my log book ran to 15 pages and an additional three hours, but paid off the second time i tried an old world install. |
| 02:11.10 | spectie | aye |
| 02:11.22 | spectie | i'm just happy with as far as i've got to be honest :) |
| 02:11.27 | spectie | i'm amazed it worked |
| 02:11.38 | spectie | i wish there were sid floppy images that worked tho |
| 02:14.09 | spectie | s/sid/sarge |
| 02:14.19 | spectie | the sarge installer images don't work on this mac :[ |
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| 08:52.26 | assassin | That was fun :) |
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| 10:31.19 | xwl | Hi, can i format a disk to reiserfs format using `cfdisk' ? Looking |
| 10:31.20 | xwl | at the menu, i only find something like `82 linux swap/Solaris; 83 |
| 10:31.20 | xwl | linux', but can't find `reiserfs'. |
| 10:37.46 | nusse | xwl: cfdisk is to change the partitiontable |
| 10:37.47 | pahartik | xwl: "cfdisk" is not relevant, use "parted" |
| 10:38.04 | nusse | mkfs -t reiserfs |
| 10:39.43 | johill | xwl: iow, the system doesn't care what you set in cfdisk. just put linux, and format as reiserfs. cfdisk doesn't format itself |
| 10:40.08 | pahartik | xwl: and you do not need to format, just modify partition table and create filesystem |
| 10:40.41 | nusse | since when do we use partitiontools to create fs? |
| 10:41.40 | pahartik | nusse: since "parted"? :) |
| 10:42.36 | xwl | nusse: will `mkfs' do all the things? like overitten old data, |
| 10:42.36 | xwl | create new fs. |
| 10:42.51 | nusse | will only create new fs |
| 10:42.58 | nusse | you dont need to overwrite anuthing |
| 10:43.43 | pahartik | xwl: if you want to make sure old data gets overwritten before creating filesystem, use "dd" |
| 10:44.30 | johill | xwl: no, it won't "overwrite" your old data, but the old data will not be available creating a new filesystem, of course |
| 10:44.31 | pahartik | xwl: but any old data should not matter, unless filesystem is broken |
| 10:44.47 | johill | after creating, I should have said |
| 10:45.10 | xwl | Hmm, okay. i'll try. Thank you all. |
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| 11:36.39 | xwl | Hi, i'm back.. I've just made a `mkfs' on /dev/hda5. And now, the |
| 11:36.39 | xwl | situation is that i could only `touch a b', i.e., create empty |
| 11:36.39 | xwl | files. But unable to `echo "blahblah" > a' or copy files from a |
| 11:36.39 | xwl | different partition, which would prompt "Bad memory...". :( |
| 11:40.09 | johill | what exactly is the message? |
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| 11:44.01 | xwl | oops, if i do `echo blah > a', and then `ls', it dies! I can't kill it.. |
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| 11:46.09 | pahartik | xwl: on that new filesystem? |
| 11:46.19 | xwl | yes.. |
| 11:47.18 | pahartik | xwl: "ReiserFS is like that" |
| 11:47.37 | xwl | pahartik: hmm? |
| 11:48.15 | pahartik | xwl: i have tried it few times, no good results so far |
| 11:49.07 | xwl | pahartik: So a ReiserFS partition is unusable ? |
| 11:56.26 | pahartik | xwl: this happened about one year ago, it seems i have not tried with Linux 2.6 on PowerPC: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=reiserfs&m=109477001218025&w=2 |
| 11:58.22 | xwl | pahartik: ooh, then i've to switch to xfs or ext3... |
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| 12:00.06 | xwl | pahartik: er, between xfs and ext3, which choice would be better? |
| 12:00.06 | xwl | on my ibook. |
| 12:00.55 | pahartik | xwl: i am using Ext3 on iBook G4... |
| 12:03.07 | xwl | pahartik: thanks for your help. |
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| 12:29.40 | demon | I can also suggest JFS for use on PPC systems... I have 3 different PPC systems running Linux, and they're all quite happy with JFS |
| 12:30.39 | xwl | jfs is created by IBM? seems not many people use it? |
| 12:30.43 | demon | including my Pismo |
| 12:31.02 | demon | yeah, it was developed by IBM, but it's been in the mainline kernel for awhile now |
| 12:32.22 | xwl | hmm, currently i'm using XFS, works quite well. |
| 12:32.37 | demon | if it works for you, that's good |
| 12:32.49 | demon | I'm just pointing out that JFS is a good option too :) |
| 12:33.02 | xwl | hehe.. |
| 12:33.13 | demon | but forget reiserfs |
| 12:33.22 | demon | hans reiser is too crazy |
| 12:34.09 | xwl | why? i thought reiserfs is better for a system with many many small |
| 12:34.10 | xwl | files. |
| 12:34.52 | demon | because he considers it acceptable to change internal structures mid stream, and leave people stuck with filesystems that they can't read with newer versions of the kernel filesystem driver |
| 12:35.12 | demon | and because I've known many people whose filesystems got randomly eaten |
| 12:35.21 | demon | for no apparent reason at all |
| 12:35.37 | demon | I wouldn't trust it further than I could throw Hans |
| 12:36.41 | xwl | That's a good point. Anyway, it doesn't like ppc. |
| 12:36.46 | demon | yeah |
| 12:36.54 | demon | Hans isn't so good at endian safe coding either |
| 12:37.18 | demon | because you know, there's nothing interesting outside the realm of x86 :) |
| 12:40.04 | pahartik | demon: i tried XFS years ago on Alpha, but it did not want to play along with kernel NFS daemon, causing crash whenever something larger than size of page was read (or something) |
| 12:40.21 | demon | pahartik: yeah, but I bet they fixed that |
| 12:40.24 | pahartik | demon: but i am sure that got fixed soon afterwards |
| 12:40.40 | demon | and JFS had problems of its own back in the day |
| 12:40.42 | demon | but you know what? |
| 12:40.52 | demon | the IBM devs took my bug reports and fixed the issues |
| 12:40.58 | demon | and it's a great filesystem these days |
| 12:41.14 | demon | reiserfs, otoh, is in a perpetually half-broken state |
| 12:41.41 | demon | and Hans doesn't seem to think that's anything to be concerned about... |
| 12:42.03 | demon | because no one would want a filesystem with a lifetime of more than a few months, right? |
| 12:43.04 | pahartik | demon: ReiserFS has got interesting concepts and new stuff, but some kind of consistent versioning would be nice |
| 12:43.56 | demon | well, new concepts are fine, but yes, versioning of data structures, forward migration (and backward compatibility), and keeping the new creative features out of a supposedly stable code body |
| 12:44.30 | demon | his idea of forward migration seems to be "back up the data, remake the filesystem, and restore" |
| 12:44.48 | demon | which is utterly ridiculous, and impractical on any sort of production system |
| 12:45.05 | demon | even on a non-production system it's an outrageous pain in the ass |
| 12:45.51 | pahartik | demon: or stick to one stable kernel version and only apply security patches |
| 12:46.30 | demon | if his filesystem is only intended to be a playground for experimentation into new filesystem concepts, that's fine, but don't advertise it as the greatest thing since sliced bread |
| 12:46.45 | demon | pahartik: you can't necessarily do that over the lifetime of a machine |
| 12:47.16 | demon | and the problems I've seen with people having reiserfs filesystems just get randomly eaten... that's hard to cope with |
| 12:47.44 | demon | I've seen it happen to enough people that I don't consider it just them screwing up |
| 12:48.39 | Q-FUNK | reiserfs is too experimental to be used in real-life situations. |
| 12:48.52 | demon | exactly |
| 12:49.02 | pahartik | demon: Ext3 is probably safest for Linux... |
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| 12:49.07 | Q-FUNK | but then again, so is the 2.6 kernel these days |
| 12:49.34 | Q-FUNK | it was the most usable around 2.6.3. after that, things went downhill. |
| 12:49.41 | pahartik | demon: XFS is supposed to scale well for big and huge things |
| 12:49.45 | xwl | seems XFS 's the most mature.. |
| 12:50.22 | demon | pahartik: yeah, it's a safe choice, but not always the best... JFS and XFS are both good choices from what I've seen for large, heavy use filesystems, plus they both have advantages like dynamic allocation of inodes and such |
| 12:50.39 | demon | whereas in ext2/3's case, you're stuck with static inode allocation |
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| 12:53.18 | demon | JFS's lack of quota support is a bit disappointing though |
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| 12:55.11 | Q-FUNK | right. so that would make ext3 the best choice for desktop and XFS for larger deploymnets. |
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| 16:30.19 | spectie | man dist-upgrade on this elderly powerpc is taking 1,000,000,000 years |
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| 16:32.42 | pahartik | spectie: that is very good |
| 16:34.20 | spectie | heh |
| 16:34.27 | spectie | i'm just glad its working... :) |
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| 17:10.03 | spectie | configuring 2.6.12.4 |
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| 20:36.06 | spectie | hey guys |
| 20:36.14 | spectie | how do i get to the quik boot prompt |
| 20:36.21 | spectie | so i can choose a kernel image to load? |
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| 20:40.41 | SimonRaven | spectie: set auto-boot? to false. 'nvsetenv auto-boot? false' (might need to do 'auto-boot\?' for the shell you're in. yes, this is from linux. |
| 20:40.58 | spectie | k thanks |
| 20:41.00 | SimonRaven | then do boot Linux.old or similar. look at the label= bits in quik.conf |
| 20:41.08 | spectie | aye |
| 20:41.14 | spectie | i called it linux-2.6.12.4-pmac |
| 20:41.29 | SimonRaven | you can also do things like boot from an alternate root, set init= etc. just like any other linux box |
| 20:41.54 | spectie | cool |
| 20:41.55 | spectie | thanks |
| 20:42.10 | SimonRaven | as long as you prefix it like 'boot "label= name" |
| 20:42.12 | SimonRaven | ' |
| 20:42.55 | SimonRaven | ok, i'm setting up a FAQ on my wiki site. looks like we need one |
| 20:43.01 | spectie | cool |
| 20:43.02 | spectie | :) |
| 20:43.09 | spectie | btw, i finally got it installed :) |
| 20:43.13 | spectie | one for your faq: |
| 20:43.26 | spectie | the sarge boot.img etc. floppies don't work with pmac/7600 |
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| 20:44.05 | SimonRaven | they should. what happened? |
| 20:44.31 | SimonRaven | and you should file your installation report too. a template is found in /root |
| 20:51.17 | spectie | ok |
| 20:51.19 | spectie | well |
| 20:51.28 | spectie | it just didn't boot from the boot.img |
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| 22:20.58 | spectie | SimonRaven, around? |
| 22:21.04 | spectie | i set auto-boot to false |
| 22:21.09 | spectie | and now my system won't boot :| |
| 22:21.17 | spectie | the monitor just does the 'no signal' thing |
| 22:24.37 | SimonRaven | oh, i guess you didn't have input-device and output-device set :) |
| 22:24.49 | spectie | erk |
| 22:24.57 | spectie | is there a way to fix thaT? |
| 22:24.58 | spectie | *that |
| 22:25.13 | spectie | ps. what should they be set to? |
| 22:25.41 | SimonRaven | you can either take the challenging way and figure out how to run it from a serial console, or zap the pram, and hope you made a note of what your boot-device and other settings are |
| 22:26.05 | spectie | i fortunately ran 'nvsetenv' before |
| 22:26.14 | spectie | and have the settings on my terminal (from another machine) |
| 22:26.16 | spectie | i was ssh'd in |
| 22:26.22 | spectie | so, how do i zap the pram? |
| 22:26.46 | SimonRaven | ok. so zap her, and boot from floppy or some mock os partition, and set the nvram up again |
| 22:26.53 | SimonRaven | opt-cmd-p-r |
| 22:27.07 | SimonRaven | opt == option cmd == command [apple] |
| 22:27.16 | spectie | option = alt? |
| 22:27.19 | SimonRaven | yes |
| 22:27.40 | spectie | ok |
| 22:27.47 | spectie | will that work even if the num lock light isn't coming on? |
| 22:27.59 | spectie | do i do that _straight_ after turning on? |
| 22:28.10 | SimonRaven | you have to do that right before it boings |
| 22:28.12 | SimonRaven | yes |
| 22:28.19 | SimonRaven | opt and cmd first, then p r |
| 22:28.41 | spectie | cool |
| 22:28.42 | spectie | thanks |
| 22:28.48 | spectie | its booting from floppy |
| 22:29.09 | spectie | btw, what should input/output-device be set to? |
| 22:29.14 | SimonRaven | ok,. so you can set it up once you've mounted your / and chrooted to your install |
| 22:29.23 | spectie | (if i have straight adb keyboard and normal mac monitor |
| 22:29.27 | SimonRaven | input is kbd and output is your video |
| 22:29.58 | SimonRaven | the video device, not the monitor per se. the default - with no pci video cards etc. - is /chaos/control |
| 22:30.03 | spectie | ok |
| 22:30.07 | spectie | and for kbd? |
| 22:30.08 | spectie | just kbd ? |
| 22:30.15 | SimonRaven | i love the device tree names sometimes |
| 22:30.18 | spectie | (also, do you know a way of forcing a rescan of the scsi bus?) |
| 22:30.29 | SimonRaven | shouldn't need to |
| 22:30.36 | spectie | as 3 times out of 4 it doesn't pick up my disk on boot |
| 22:30.45 | SimonRaven | it does that auto even before it boings |
| 22:31.09 | SimonRaven | oh, that's an OF issue. it's a bug. there's an nvram patch for that |
| 22:31.27 | spectie | ah cool |
| 22:31.39 | spectie | got the link or should i google it? |
| 22:32.09 | SimonRaven | you'd insert it something like nvsetenv nvramrc "$(cat some_file_with_the_patch)" |
| 22:32.16 | SimonRaven | on my site |
| 22:32.31 | SimonRaven | http://simonraven.nuit.ca/macppc/ |
| 22:32.41 | SimonRaven | looks for system disk tutorial |
| 22:32.45 | SimonRaven | look* |
| 22:33.00 | spectie | thanks |
| 22:33.35 | spectie | heh i checked out your page before |
| 22:33.39 | spectie | you have a 7600 too |
| 22:34.34 | SimonRaven | 7500. it's running mac os 9.2.2 now, i have an 8500, a power tower pro, and this POS x86 box, all running linux |
| 22:35.11 | spectie | nice |
| 22:35.36 | spectie | you an xfs fan? |
| 22:35.41 | SimonRaven | the 8500 and the pt pro are the servers. the pt pro is serving up those pages you're looking at ;) |
| 22:36.07 | SimonRaven | yeh. ext2/3 too, and jfs. each used in a particular way |
| 22:36.47 | spectie | hmm, i can't find that patch on that page, (also i don't have macos on this box anymore) |
| 22:36.56 | spectie | is the patch just a load of lines of forth? |
| 22:36.57 | SimonRaven | sec |
| 22:37.00 | SimonRaven | yeh |
| 22:39.24 | SimonRaven | go to /macppc/files/ you'll see a few patches there, you want of105patch.txt |
| 22:40.21 | spectie | thanks |
| 22:40.26 | SimonRaven | :) |
| 22:41.59 | spectie | btw |
| 22:42.08 | spectie | does use-nvramrc? need to be set to true? |
| 22:42.11 | spectie | if i use that patch? |
| 22:42.12 | SimonRaven | yes |
| 22:43.33 | spectie | whats broken that requires the patch then? |
| 22:44.02 | SimonRaven | the code that handles the cuda and mesh chips, to boot off the main scsi bus |
| 22:45.15 | spectie | i haven't done anything this wack since playing around with my sparcstation1 in '99 |
| 22:45.22 | SimonRaven | :) |
| 22:45.37 | SimonRaven | that's why you know your way around OF |
| 22:45.48 | spectie | aye |
| 22:45.57 | spectie | i had a ss1 where the prom battery was dead |
| 22:46.01 | spectie | so every time i had to reboot it |
| 22:46.03 | SimonRaven | oi |
| 22:46.06 | spectie | i had to write like 20 lines of forth |
| 22:46.21 | SimonRaven | oi |
| 22:46.22 | spectie | i can still remember some of it now |
| 22:46.28 | SimonRaven | heh |
| 22:46.37 | spectie | well might not have been forth, shit like 1 0 mkp, 51 1 mkp |
| 22:46.38 | spectie | etc. |
| 22:46.40 | spectie | 20 lines :/ |
| 22:46.42 | spectie | oi? |
| 22:46.57 | SimonRaven | acknowledgement noise |
| 22:47.08 | spectie | ah ok |
| 22:47.17 | spectie | i use aye :) |
| 22:47.26 | SimonRaven | in the same groove as 'oi vey' |
| 22:47.42 | SimonRaven | *grin* |
| 22:48.24 | spectie | heh |
| 22:48.28 | spectie | right, here goes |
| 22:48.31 | spectie | reboot :| |
| 22:50.19 | spectie | well, the monitor is getting signal but not displaying anything |
| 22:50.32 | SimonRaven | ok, now i can continue doing up that faq |
| 22:50.47 | SimonRaven | is there a video card on it? |
| 22:50.51 | spectie | nope |
| 22:50.55 | spectie | onboard |
| 22:51.03 | spectie | and i used /chaos/control for the output-device |
| 22:52.31 | SimonRaven | try cold booting it |
| 22:52.47 | spectie | ok |
| 22:52.47 | spectie | 'sec |
| 22:53.01 | spectie | :pull plug: :wait 30secs: |
| 22:53.09 | SimonRaven | it should make the monitor go click-click depending on the monitor |
| 22:53.18 | SimonRaven | when it does sync |
| 22:53.18 | spectie | the light is flashing aye |
| 22:53.53 | spectie | the computer is so loud i can't hear it :) |
| 22:53.57 | spectie | so, cold booted |
| 22:53.58 | SimonRaven | heh |
| 22:54.36 | SimonRaven | did it sync now? |
| 22:54.41 | spectie | nope |
| 22:54.42 | spectie | still nothing |
| 22:54.49 | spectie | the light is not flashing (which suggests signal) |
| 22:54.53 | spectie | but nothing is displaying on the screen) |
| 22:55.17 | SimonRaven | ok. sec |
| 22:57.13 | spectie | k |
| 23:14.06 | SimonRaven | still looking |
| 23:15.13 | spectie | ok |
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| 23:36.48 | spectie | hmm |
| 23:37.03 | spectie | seems like it might be something about video timings? |
| 23:37.08 | spectie | which is why it isn't displaying? |
| 23:41.07 | SimonRaven | yeh, i'm beginning to think that too |
| 23:41.22 | SimonRaven | try removing the patch |
| 23:41.45 | SimonRaven | is there any way for you to run System Disk at all? |
| 23:42.00 | spectie | well is there a floppy image with it on? |
| 23:42.17 | spectie | i wiped the disk (reinited the partition map) |
| 23:42.20 | spectie | so no more macos |
| 23:42.21 | SimonRaven | hmm |
| 23:42.56 | SimonRaven | http://simonraven.nuit.ca/src/macos/disktools8.img-hacked.bin |
| 23:43.03 | SimonRaven | might have it |
| 23:43.26 | spectie | can i boot off that? |
| 23:44.46 | SimonRaven | yes |
| 23:45.20 | spectie | ok |
| 23:45.24 | spectie | i'll give that a go |
| 23:46.05 | spectie | 'sec |
| 23:46.43 | spectie | writing floppy |
| 23:47.32 | SimonRaven | i *think* it can boot anyway |
| 23:47.41 | spectie | we'll soon see :) |
| 23:47.45 | SimonRaven | :) |
| 23:47.45 | spectie | what should i do with that? |
| 23:48.01 | SimonRaven | you can run system disk and insert the right patches auto |
| 23:48.06 | spectie | cool |
| 23:48.14 | SimonRaven | as well as the required OF settings |
| 23:48.35 | spectie | i'll have to type the patches in? |
| 23:49.15 | spectie | hmm, disk ran out of space |
| 23:49.20 | spectie | what bs should i dd it as? |
| 23:49.25 | spectie | i was using 1024 |
| 23:50.20 | spectie | i'll try that again |
| 23:52.09 | SimonRaven | try 512 |
| 23:52.15 | spectie | ok |
| 23:53.15 | SimonRaven | no, the patches get loaded by the app |
| 23:53.41 | SimonRaven | ...when you click 'write' or 'save' or whatever the button's called |
| 23:53.54 | spectie | so i'd have to shove the patches on a disk too |
| 23:54.00 | spectie | does it read msdos formatted floppies? |
| 23:55.15 | spectie | hmm, still complains about no space left on device |
| 23:55.29 | spectie | which is odd, as the boot-hfs-floppy.img went on fine |
| 23:56.13 | SimonRaven | oh, hold |
| 23:56.15 | spectie | although your image is 1024 bytes longer |
| 23:57.02 | spectie | 1475584 as opposed to 1474560 |
| 23:59.49 | SimonRaven | ok. go see that dir again. fetch the disktools8.img one |