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| 00:12.07 | ErRandir | depends on the problem |
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| 00:13.20 | PSK | i'm attempting to start yaboot from the OF prompt |
| 00:13.42 | PSK | but it just boots into macOS |
| 00:17.45 | PSK | i've been trying to follow the instructions at http://people.debian.org/~branden/ibook.html |
| 00:20.20 | ErRandir | you know what partition yaboot installed to? |
| 00:20.31 | PSK | no i don't |
| 00:20.44 | PSK | but i've tried digits 0-9 |
| 00:20.55 | PSK | none work |
| 00:23.29 | ErRandir | it should be on an Apple_Bootstrap partition. remember which one that was? |
| 00:24.29 | PSK | no i don't |
| 00:24.48 | PSK | the files are in the root of the mac HD |
| 00:25.31 | PSK | which is the only volume visible under macOS |
| 00:26.42 | ErRandir | did you already run the debian installer or are you still before that stage? |
| 00:27.32 | PSK | still before that stage |
| 00:28.39 | pahartik | PSK: OldWorld |
| 00:29.34 | PSK | ? |
| 00:30.47 | pahartik | PSK: one cannot boot Debian installer from CD, one cannot use "yaboot" |
| 00:31.03 | PSK | hmm |
| 00:31.06 | ErRandir | oh, is it oldworld? |
| 00:31.51 | PSK | is there any way to get it installed? |
| 00:32.01 | PSK | i don't have a cd-rom drive for this thing |
| 00:32.29 | demon | er... it's going to be a bit more... challenging |
| 00:32.31 | PSK | and it's running system 7.6.1, and i'd like to be able to get some use from it |
| 00:33.00 | demon | is the 3400c actually oldworld? or is it nubus? |
| 00:33.34 | pahartik | demon: good point |
| 00:34.07 | demon | because a nubus machine is a whole other ballgame |
| 00:34.31 | demon | okay, I think the 3400c is in fact oldworld... |
| 00:34.36 | pahartik | demon: but it is OldWorld, i think |
| 00:35.19 | pahartik | PSK: use BootX to get Debian installer started from MacOS |
| 00:35.20 | demon | hehe |
| 00:35.42 | demon | yeah... you'll need to get just the kernel and initrd for the net installer and supply those |
| 00:35.54 | demon | then you can install from there |
| 00:36.03 | demon | can you resize HFS partitions? |
| 00:36.41 | demon | or will MacOS/System need to be reinstalled in a smaller partition? I know I had to do that with my powermac 7500... |
| 00:37.20 | pahartik | demon: installer writes "Quik" to harddisk by default |
| 00:37.40 | ErRandir | i had another hd to use |
| 00:38.24 | demon | pahartik: well, that's nice, but if your OF isn't patched right, depending on the machine, you can end up with an OS that you can't boot |
| 00:39.31 | demon | because oldworld OF wasn't smart enough to wait for the disks to spin up (it didn't care, since it just jumped into the MacOS ROM and let it worry about such stuff) |
| 00:49.03 | pahartik | demon: i do not think "parted" that comes with Debian installer, is patched with HFS resize feature |
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| 01:00.23 | ErRandir | i think the apple diskutils can resize it |
| 01:00.25 | PSK2 | had to move downstairs |
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| 01:01.33 | PSK2 | so what files do i need to start the installer in bootx? |
| 01:06.33 | PSK | ??? |
| 01:07.06 | assassin | net splitzz |
| 01:07.12 | pahartik | PSK: kernel image and ramdisk image |
| 01:08.01 | PSK | ok |
| 01:08.26 | PSK | the ramdisk is initrd, right? |
| 01:10.13 | pahartik | PSK: yes |
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| 01:11.26 | PSK | where should i put the initrd file? |
| 01:12.20 | pahartik | PSK: anywhere, but define that in BootX configuration dialog |
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| 01:13.20 | PSK | i do not know how to do that |
| 01:14.13 | pahartik | PSK: it opens up file selector for you... |
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| 01:18.05 | PSK | it lives! |
| 01:18.13 | PSK | huzzah! |
| 01:20.18 | pahartik | PSK: make sure you have MacOS install media available, in case booting does not work out after first install attempt |
| 01:20.58 | PSK | i don't have them |
| 01:21.22 | PSK | i was given this laptop with two batteries, a floppy drive, and a power adapter |
| 01:22.14 | PSK | i can probably borrow them from a friend though |
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| 01:24.49 | SimonRaven | i have a floppy with bootx on it |
| 01:24.53 | SimonRaven | bootable |
| 01:26.05 | pahartik | SimonRaven: very good |
| 01:26.27 | PSK | mail it to me, lol |
| 01:28.25 | SimonRaven | http://simonraven.nuit.ca/src/macos/ |
| 01:28.32 | SimonRaven | wget it or something |
| 01:29.09 | SimonRaven | seeing you in my web server log would be welcome, instead of these blog spam attempts |
| 01:29.18 | SimonRaven | ;) |
| 01:29.25 | pahartik | PSK: your IMAP client supports "lol" feature? |
| 01:29.47 | PSK | ? |
| 01:29.59 | SimonRaven | mine doesn't. is that a new courier-imap feature? |
| 01:30.11 | SimonRaven | geek humour ;) |
| 01:31.00 | pahartik | SimonRaven: oh, that is why it made me smile? |
| 01:31.13 | SimonRaven | hehe |
| 01:31.22 | SimonRaven | exactly |
| 01:32.40 | PSK | alright, let's see if i can get this installed... |
| 01:32.52 | PSK | i'll keep you posted, i'll probably need more help |
| 01:34.13 | SimonRaven | you should update your firefox |
| 01:34.28 | PSK | this is the family computer, not mine |
| 01:35.13 | PSK | this is the only one physically close to the router |
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| 02:37.05 | assassin | I said what we all were thinking http://www.opensuse.org/index.php/Talk:Download |
| 02:53.35 | SimonRaven | you talk to download it? |
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| 06:46.36 | assassin | SimonRaven: They only got craptel dl's ;) |
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| 07:15.34 | SimonRaven | heh |
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| 13:04.55 | ioops | hi |
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| 13:49.40 | mrwick | anyone here successfully used the ubuntu live cd on an iMac g5? |
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| 13:52.05 | mrwick | if not.. I'll be trying it soon.. hopefully nothing disasterous happens! |
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| 16:40.25 | mirak | hello |
| 16:40.47 | mirak | anyone have have a radeon 7000 or any radeon with a TV out ? |
| 16:41.00 | mirak | I am wondering if TV out is supported on linux for the radeons. |
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| 19:06.06 | mirak | I am wondering if TV out is supported on linux for the radeons. |
| 19:06.12 | mirak | is it ? |
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| 19:52.58 | pahartik | new libxine seems to be more efficient, it leaves ~60% of CPU idle when playing MPEG-2 content |
| 19:59.21 | pahartik | earlier versions left ~35% of CPU idle, on same PowerPC 7447A at 600 MHz |
| 20:03.04 | ilaglisser | do you manage to use the TV out of radeon cards ? |
| 20:03.20 | ilaglisser | pahartik: with wich cpu ? |
| 20:03.42 | ilaglisser | pahartik: strangely, gxine manage xv and xine don't |
| 20:03.47 | ilaglisser | on my computer |
| 20:04.03 | ilaglisser | pahartik: sorry you said it |
| 20:05.15 | pahartik | ilaglisser: i cannot stand "xine", terrible interface, just like "xmms" |
| 20:05.53 | ilaglisser | yep horrible |
| 20:06.00 | ilaglisser | gtk sucks |
| 20:06.04 | ilaglisser | hum X |
| 20:06.51 | pahartik | ilaglisser: but "gxine" is good... and this new version is "xine-lib-1.1.0" |
| 20:11.04 | pahartik | ilaglisser: i only use monitor as external display, not television... but i have that adapters for both and tried composite video output on MacOS X |
| 20:11.24 | ilaglisser | I want to do a divx box with this macs |
| 20:11.31 | ilaglisser | I have a G4 350 and G3 400 |
| 20:11.42 | ilaglisser | I can't play a divx smooth on OS X |
| 20:11.54 | ilaglisser | dvd are ok, on OS X, but not on linux |
| 20:12.53 | ilaglisser | pahartik: I have a readon 8500 on x86 I never tried vid out on linux |
| 20:13.02 | ilaglisser | I think proprietaary drivers allow this |
| 20:13.24 | ilaglisser | there is GATOS driver for macs |
| 20:13.34 | ilaglisser | it seems it's integrated in new xorg cvs |
| 20:14.04 | ilaglisser | I plan to buy a radeon 7000 for PC and flash it |
| 20:14.32 | ilaglisser | I still hesitate between PCI or AGP, since G4 is AGP and G3 is PCI |
| 20:14.53 | ilaglisser | since I am not after performance, maybe pci would be ok |
| 20:15.03 | ilaglisser | but there is only 3 pci slots |
| 20:15.28 | ilaglisser | I am trying gentoo also on the G3 and G4 do get the most out of them |
| 20:16.20 | pahartik | ilaglisser: i play lots of MPEG-2 content from DVB and some from DVD |
| 20:21.07 | ilaglisser | I have troubles understanding how a dvd playeer can play dvd and a G3 400 cannot |
| 20:23.48 | pahartik | ilaglisser: and i also have "ATI Radeon 9200 PCI Macintosh" |
| 20:24.29 | ilaglisser | pahartik: would you try tv out ? ^^ |
| 20:26.30 | pahartik | ilaglisser: maybe someday, all PCI slots are taken by DVB tuners and other devices right now |
| 20:27.20 | ilaglisser | pahartik: mmm so you don't need this card ? |
| 20:27.25 | ilaglisser | I would buy it |
| 20:27.40 | ilaglisser | I am interested |
| 20:27.51 | ilaglisser | otherwise I will buy a 7000 pc and flash it |
| 20:27.58 | ilaglisser | it would cost less I guess |
| 20:28.03 | ilaglisser | than shipping |
| 20:28.31 | ilaglisser | .fi ? |
| 20:28.33 | pahartik | ilaglisser: it was ~130 EUR some months ago, new from store |
| 20:28.35 | ilaglisser | you from filand ? |
| 20:28.47 | ilaglisser | why did you bought it if you don't use it ? |
| 20:28.58 | ilaglisser | radeon 7000 are 35 euros |
| 20:29.01 | ilaglisser | in agp |
| 20:29.07 | ilaglisser | and 49 in pci, in paris |
| 20:29.56 | pahartik | ilaglisser: i am planning to use it again, once i have more PCI slots |
| 20:31.39 | pahartik | ilaglisser: but then again, i have been using my iBook G4 for almost all workstation tasks |
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| 20:33.09 | ilaglisser | I am very disapointed by this macs |
| 20:33.24 | ilaglisser | I really was enthousiast when my neighbourg gave them to me |
| 20:33.37 | ilaglisser | but well I use them for servers |
| 20:33.44 | ilaglisser | still better than nothing |
| 20:33.50 | ilaglisser | I can surf and watch divx |
| 20:33.55 | ilaglisser | on a monitor |
| 20:35.55 | pahartik | ilaglisser: and something makes you disappointed? |
| 20:43.17 | ilaglisser | yes I barely can play divx |
| 20:43.19 | pahartik | ilaglisser: i would like my PowerMacintosh 7500 to have 2 32 bit PCI buses and 2 64 bit PCI buses, with three slots on each bus... then i could connect mostly everything i want to single workstation |
| 20:43.29 | ilaglisser | with OS X it's not fine. |
| 20:43.38 | ilaglisser | dvd are stuttering |
| 20:43.50 | ilaglisser | and I can't use my rage 128 agp PC |
| 20:44.00 | ilaglisser | wich have the only thing I need, a video out |
| 20:44.28 | ilaglisser | I just need a bit more power and video out |
| 20:44.46 | ilaglisser | video out alone would do |
| 20:46.27 | pahartik | ilaglisser: and if you "flash" some ATI Radeon model/revision with firmware of some other ATI Radeon model/revision, it is just luck if all output connectors work |
| 20:55.31 | ilaglisser | seems it works on os x |
| 20:55.41 | ilaglisser | there is a collection of roms on some websites pahartik |
| 20:55.55 | ilaglisser | there is a part of luck though |
| 20:56.04 | ilaglisser | but I can take the risk for 35 euros |
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