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| 05:24.13 | mehul | How does one get sound to work on a B&W G3 ? I'm using kernel 2.6.8 |
| 05:24.58 | demon | modprobe snd-powermac ; modprobe snd-pcm-oss |
| 05:25.25 | demon | I've never had a sound problem on my b&w G3... it's pretty well supported |
| 05:25.46 | mehul | i don't seem to be getting any sound at all on it .. |
| 05:25.52 | mehul | at least not under Linux. |
| 05:26.17 | mehul | do I have to do snd-pcm-oss or is there something else for ALSA ? |
| 05:26.57 | demon | snd-pcm-oss is an ALSA module |
| 05:27.14 | demon | it's the adapter to allow OSS apps to output sound via an ALSA device |
| 05:27.36 | mehul | hmm .. I've already got snd-pcm-oss, snd-powermac snd-pcm installed as per 'lsmod' |
| 05:27.41 | demon | okay |
| 05:27.50 | demon | then start a mixer and turn up the volume |
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| 05:30.39 | mehul | hmm ok ... sent a wav file to /dev/dsp ... didn't come out quiet right ... but did get some sound .... |
| 05:31.04 | demon | yeah, that won't work |
| 05:31.15 | demon | you can't play a wav file that way |
| 05:31.24 | mehul | hmm ok. |
| 05:31.27 | demon | apt-get install sox, then do 'play [wavfile]' |
| 05:32.03 | mehul | sox .. thats it .. thats what i used to use before :) |
| 05:32.16 | mehul | does sox play mpeg files as well ? or just audio ? |
| 05:32.48 | demon | man sox |
| 05:34.40 | mehul | its pretty much audio only. |
| 05:34.47 | mehul | doesn't do video ... hmm |
| 05:35.17 | mehul | and ... the sound is the same whether I send a wav file to /dev/dsp or do play <wavefile> |
| 05:37.39 | demon | is it actually [something].wav? |
| 05:37.48 | mehul | yup . it is .. |
| 05:38.01 | demon | then maybe that's how it's supposed to sound |
| 05:38.20 | demon | because the g3 b&w has a screamer in it, and I know it works |
| 05:40.09 | mehul | hmmm .. i tried out some other files .. and they seem to be fine. seems like this .wav file got changed from what it used to be. interesting. |
| 05:40.27 | mehul | you wouldn't know any good mpeg video players would you ? :) |
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| 14:11.50 | veritanuda | Afternoon all.. anyone awake? |
| 14:12.58 | veritanuda | Got an X issue on a G3 powerbook.. seems I am getting puddles of corruption on screen for some reason, but not when it is just plain colour. Any ideas? |
| 14:28.05 | Stereo | puddles of corruption? |
| 14:30.31 | veritanuda | well stripes really |
| 14:30.51 | veritanuda | on the left . it is sorta shimmering like the video memory is being written too all the time? |
| 14:31.45 | veritanuda | Any idea? With plane or gradient colours doesn't seem to appear.. |
| 14:32.09 | veritanuda | soon as you get something like the X stipple.. there it is plain as can be |
| 14:32.34 | veritanuda | Can't fiddle around too much with the video timings because it is a power book and it autodetect pretty much everything |
| 14:33.58 | demon | er... which powerbook? |
| 14:34.14 | demon | you said powerbook g3 |
| 14:34.29 | demon | which one? there are abot 5 different machines that bear that name :) |
| 14:36.22 | veritanuda | Ahh yeah well not quite figured that out myself... Video chip is ATI 3D Rage LT-G 215LG |
| 14:36.34 | veritanuda | according to X |
| 14:36.53 | demon | ... okay |
| 14:37.15 | veritanuda | I am assuming the SGRAM for this video is seprate and not part of main memory right? |
| 14:37.27 | demon | is your X server config set to enable UseFBDev? |
| 14:37.40 | demon | the video memory is separate from system RAM, yes |
| 14:38.06 | veritanuda | Hmm it is loading the ati module.. but I think it is usign FB dev yes |
| 14:38.34 | veritanuda | load fb as well. |
| 14:39.09 | veritanuda | oh wait a sec.. |
| 14:39.26 | veritanuda | There is a warning there.. UseFBSev is not used? |
| 14:40.04 | veritanuda | hmmm |
| 14:40.05 | demon | you mean UseFBDev? |
| 14:40.19 | veritanuda | but that is set to true in the config... |
| 14:40.23 | veritanuda | how odd? |
| 14:41.36 | demon | the "not used" message means the driver didn't know that option. Did it actually say 'UseFBDev', or is it misspelled? |
| 14:41.42 | veritanuda | I get the impression that UseFBDev is a bum option then.. |
| 14:42.05 | veritanuda | It says UseFBDev "true" |
| 14:42.20 | demon | sounds like the mach64 driver doesn't know that option |
| 14:42.51 | veritanuda | Guess not.. Is there another module I can try? with this ATI card? |
| 14:43.00 | demon | no |
| 14:43.19 | veritanuda | hmm.. Then what to do..? |
| 14:43.30 | demon | can you boot the kernel with the 'video=ofonly' option appended to the kernel, and then try running X? |
| 14:43.52 | veritanuda | ofonly ? what does that do if I might be so curious? |
| 14:44.11 | demon | tells the kernel to use OpenFirmware text mode |
| 14:44.22 | demon | instead of the mach64-specific framebuffer driver |
| 14:44.40 | veritanuda | hmmm the kernel boots with framebuffer enabled.. though..? is that related? |
| 14:45.00 | demon | well, it'd be hard to get a console without it |
| 14:45.24 | demon | since Apple hardware doesn't have a concept of VGA text mode |
| 14:45.29 | veritanuda | yes yes I figured that ;) What I mean is the of frame buffer will look differnet will it? |
| 14:45.42 | veritanuda | yeah I know.. what fun this is :) |
| 14:45.42 | demon | possibly |
| 14:46.02 | demon | but it should still be functional |
| 14:46.09 | veritanuda | ok well give me a few mins.. have to boot it from BootX |
| 14:46.12 | demon | if you're going to run X anyway, it shouldn't matter |
| 14:46.25 | veritanuda | true. |
| 14:46.38 | veritanuda | Assuming you can run X without corruption ;) |
| 14:48.49 | veritanuda | youknow what the symtome remind me of.. when I used to code things for the speccy and right stack variable to the screen memory for fun :) |
| 14:48.54 | veritanuda | it is liek itis alive.. |
| 14:52.32 | veritanuda | ahhh yes well most definatly a difference Tux has goen all red.. |
| 14:52.46 | veritanuda | Though I am nevvous not being able to see any boot messages... :( |
| 14:53.56 | veritanuda | Can;t tell where it is at ;) NoHD light.. no networking light.. really have to have a lot of faith right ;) |
| 14:54.18 | veritanuda | Phew we have gdm |
| 14:55.40 | veritanuda | Good news is though .. no video corruption!! :) |
| 14:55.50 | veritanuda | Well done demon.. really appreciate that.. |
| 14:57.20 | veritanuda | umm ok newbie question now.. but how exactly are the middle and right buttons emulated on a powerbook ;) |
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| 14:59.57 | veritanuda | hmmm of course.. this does mean setting up things like Molvconfig is a pain.. |
| 15:03.29 | pahartik | veritanuda: by binding keys from keyboard to act as second and third button |
| 15:04.34 | veritanuda | Is that done by default in KDE etc? |
| 15:05.22 | pahartik | veritanuda: it is performed at kernel level, for example with "sysctl" |
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| 15:05.52 | veritanuda | hmm |
| 15:06.07 | veritanuda | so by default what would be those bindings.. assuming they are active? |
| 15:06.17 | veritanuda | Fresh out of the box sarge install so..? |
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| 15:07.24 | pahartik | veritanuda: "sudo sysctl -a | grep button" |
| 15:08.50 | pahartik | veritanuda: you should see three variables... |
| 15:09.01 | veritanuda | hmm Button 3 keycode = 100 button 2 keycode =97 button_emulation=0 , Iassume it is off? |
| 15:09.23 | pahartik | veritanuda: yes, it is disabled at the moment |
| 15:09.38 | veritanuda | any idea what keycode 100 and 97 are? |
| 15:10.00 | pahartik | veritanuda: first figure out which keycodes you need to use by "xev" |
| 15:11.38 | veritanuda | hmm easier said than done :)) I am assume these are valid keycodes? not just mapped in from another keyboard? |
| 15:11.42 | pahartik | veritanuda: "xmodmap -pk" might also be useful |
| 15:13.09 | veritanuda | Left and home? Hmmmm |
| 15:13.20 | veritanuda | ahhh |
| 15:13.41 | veritanuda | Mac keyboars.. home = left +Func.. |
| 15:13.54 | veritanuda | ok how I enable that? |
| 15:14.01 | veritanuda | via proc? |
| 15:17.18 | veritanuda | only reason i say that is because sysctl.conf look like a proc entry.. |
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| 16:36.43 | MrNikel | Hi. Got some problems with the new kernel release for powerpc. Is it compiled with G support? |
| 16:36.56 | MrNikel | G5 I meant. |
| 16:39.04 | MrNikel | Where can I get powerpc64 debian kernels? |
| 16:39.27 | Bor_Ed | that'd be power4 kernel on any mirror |
| 16:40.40 | MrNikel | That one did not work for me. And Im looking for a 64 bits one. |
| 16:40.51 | Bor_Ed | that is 64 bit powerpc kernel |
| 16:41.06 | Bor_Ed | one and only |
| 16:41.32 | MrNikel | Every power4 machine is 64 bits? I see. well, the points is that 2.6.11-power4 had some problems with smp |
| 16:41.42 | MrNikel | and wanted to upgrade to 2.6.12 |
| 16:42.14 | Bor_Ed | power4 is the 64 bit powerpc cpu... ibm 970fx ('g5') is just crippled power4 with added simd engine |
| 16:42.22 | MrNikel | But the one released today did not work for me (problems with USB when prebooting (initrd booting I mean)) |
| 16:43.13 | MrNikel | Ok. For when the linux-kernel-2.6.12-1-power4? |
| 16:44.01 | Bor_Ed | probably will take some time |
| 16:45.13 | MrNikel | Im using an ubuntu 2.6.12 kernel now. and works fine with some issues I wanted to be solved. |
| 16:45.24 | Bor_Ed | build your own kernel |
| 16:45.43 | MrNikel | I did, but got also some problems with the NVidia card |
| 16:45.59 | Bor_Ed | that is a problem indeed, switch to ati asap |
| 16:46.01 | MrNikel | and I used the .config that came with the ubuntu one. |
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| 16:46.23 | Stereo | for some reason, the ubuntu people are great at building kernels |
| 16:46.28 | Stereo | i'm using a ubuntu kernel too |
| 16:46.45 | MrNikel | You mean I sould buy an ati one? |
| 16:46.57 | Bor_Ed | they prolly patch a bit more than debian ppl (unstable, not upstream loaded and so on patches on ubuntu) |
| 16:47.02 | Bor_Ed | yup |
| 16:47.02 | mirak | hi |
| 16:47.08 | mirak | I fuxed a radeon card |
| 16:47.10 | Bor_Ed | nvidia support is sucky at best |
| 16:47.11 | MrNikel | If youy tell me I could use dri I will |
| 16:47.30 | mirak | MrNikel: if you plan to flash one, be aware it's a hard task |
| 16:47.32 | mirak | and the lotery |
| 16:47.43 | mirak | not that hard, but really the lottery |
| 16:47.53 | Bor_Ed | up to radeon 9200 the dri works... project is going on for newer cards on http://r300.sf.net |
| 16:48.06 | MrNikel | I used to do so with my x86's but ppc is mor complicated |
| 16:48.16 | mirak | is there a flash tool on linux for video cards ? |
| 16:48.18 | Bor_Ed | you can use the card in X without flashing it |
| 16:48.33 | mirak | Bor_Ed: mmm what ? |
| 16:48.58 | mirak | Bor_Ed: we can use PC card without falshing them ? |
| 16:49.02 | Bor_Ed | mirak: yup... OF and console modes don't work though |
| 16:49.11 | mirak | AARRRGHGGHHH |
| 16:49.27 | Bor_Ed | I'm not 100% sure I recall right but at least 99.9% |
| 16:49.35 | mirak | Bor_Ed: well this is weird because when I put a pc card it doesn't boot at all |
| 16:50.21 | Bor_Ed | hmm... that is weird... have you specified the input-device and output-device to be ttyS0 for example so it doesn't try to use the gfx on OF ? |
| 16:50.34 | mirak | nope |
| 16:50.46 | mirak | the problem |
| 16:50.55 | mirak | I will resume the story |
| 16:51.02 | Bor_Ed | :) |
| 16:51.05 | mirak | I flashed the card a radeon 7000 on the pc |
| 16:51.17 | mirak | I put it in the mac |
| 16:51.23 | mirak | it boots ! |
| 16:51.35 | mirak | but the display is totally garbeled |
| 16:51.38 | mirak | with vertical lines |
| 16:51.49 | mirak | it's not a clock problem I think |
| 16:51.57 | mirak | since it was the same |
| 16:52.07 | mirak | maybe some timings somewhere, I don't know |
| 16:52.11 | Bor_Ed | I get that with built in ati every now and then, starting install cd and setting up the gfx mode with that usually helps |
| 16:52.12 | mirak | so I reflashed it |
| 16:52.31 | mirak | you sure ? |
| 16:52.40 | mirak | when I reflashed it nothing worked |
| 16:52.43 | Bor_Ed | well, helps on this beige g3 |
| 16:52.57 | mirak | even with the pci card plugued along this agp card |
| 16:53.11 | mirak | even when specifying output-device as the pci card |
| 16:53.17 | mirak | I can go to OF then |
| 16:53.26 | mirak | but mac-boot fails |
| 16:53.37 | mirak | hard to reflash the card with this ... |
| 16:54.25 | mirak | it's a G4 |
| 16:54.28 | mirak | 350mhz |
| 16:54.54 | MrNikel | To flash the card? what does it mean? does video card have flash roms? Do you have to use a pc card to do so? Cant I just buy a brand new ati card for g5? What is saved in the flash? configuration params? |
| 16:54.55 | mirak | Bor_Ed: tell me more about the cd thing |
| 16:55.13 | mirak | MrNikel: you mostly save money |
| 16:55.15 | mirak | :) |
| 16:55.22 | Bor_Ed | I just boot with os classic install cd and set the gfx to 640x480 and get OF back |
| 16:55.24 | mirak | unless you are unlucky |
| 16:55.31 | mirak | MrNikel: www.strangedogs.com |
| 16:55.33 | MrNikel | I see. But my Mac have 64 bits slots |
| 16:55.40 | mirak | MrNikel: everythig is here and other sites |
| 16:55.47 | mirak | MrNikel: pci express ? |
| 16:55.55 | MrNikel | No |
| 16:56.00 | MrNikel | pci-64 |
| 16:56.04 | mirak | what is it ? |
| 16:56.11 | demon | 64 bit is part of the standard PCI spec |
| 16:56.11 | mirak | it's not pci ? |
| 16:56.25 | MrNikel | yeah, but 64. |
| 16:56.28 | mirak | demon: where did I saw you ? :) |
| 16:57.24 | demon | pci express edge connectors are < 2 inches long |
| 16:59.22 | demon | mirak: I'm contributing from my vast knowledge base. you should be happy. |
| 16:59.37 | demon | reco'nize yo. |
| 16:59.46 | mirak | demon: did I say I am not ? |
| 16:59.59 | mirak | DelTree: I saw you on #mac maybe |
| 17:00.07 | mirak | or opendarwin I don't know |
| 17:00.48 | DelTree | ? |
| 17:01.09 | mirak | DelTree: ? |
| 17:01.39 | DelTree | :) |
| 17:04.06 | mirak | time to flash |
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| 17:04.51 | MrNikel_ | www.strangedogs.com? |
| 17:05.18 | mirak | yes |
| 17:05.31 | mirak | it's a camouflage |
| 17:05.43 | MrNikel_ | A good one indeed |
| 17:05.45 | MrNikel_ | hehe |
| 17:05.50 | MrNikel_ | lets see... |
| 17:08.31 | MrNikel_ | Ok, but the problem is that I dont know of PCI-64 PC video cards. |
| 17:08.54 | Bor_Ed | hmm, g5 has agp slot too, right ? |
| 17:09.44 | MrNikel_ | Lets see. |
| 17:10.58 | MrNikel_ | Ok, I was mistaken, tbe pci64 slots are for other peripherals |
| 17:11.15 | Bor_Ed | thought so |
| 17:11.41 | MrNikel_ | Nice. then.. Ati... flashin stuff and voila, dri working. But what about my nvidia? |
| 17:11.59 | MrNikel_ | hehe I could stick it on my rooms wall. |
| 17:11.59 | Bor_Ed | sell at big bucks on ebay for some clueless mockosx user |
| 17:12.26 | MrNikel_ | hehe, mockosx |
| 17:13.21 | MrNikel_ | Whats the best choice (ATI model) for VERY FULL AND WORKING GNU/Linux support? |
| 17:14.17 | Bor_Ed | 9200 works with no hacking, more recent cards might or might not work with mesa/opengl, the xorg site is pretty confusing |
| 17:15.01 | MrNikel_ | SO a 9200 flased card for PC will do... lets see the local prices.. |
| 17:15.20 | Bor_Ed | 9200 apple branded card... no idea of flashing |
| 17:16.44 | MrNikel_ | Ok |
| 17:18.09 | MrNikel_ | It is always the same. Pay and dont bother or dont pay and spend a couple of days fighting to make things happend. I guess Im taking the latter. Hehe |
| 17:18.32 | Bor_Ed | your call |
| 17:19.44 | MrNikel_ | But with the apple one, you have even TV out support? |
| 17:20.11 | Bor_Ed | no idea of the connectors, check out apple store site |
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