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| 04:40.24 | veritanuda | back again people.. This is doing my head in.. Why doesn't someoene put all the ppc resources together in one place huh? Searching every where for port here port there.. :( |
| 04:41.04 | veritanuda | I need a tarball or link to the hfsutils that work properly with 2.6.8 and hfsplus OS 9.x filesystem.. |
| 04:41.47 | veritanuda | None od the debs work out of the box. and hpfsck says it cannot recognise the files system |
| 04:43.01 | veritanuda | hpfsck /dev/hda9 |
| 04:43.01 | veritanuda | *** Checking Volume Header: |
| 04:43.01 | veritanuda | hpfsck: hpfsck: Neither Wrapper nor native HFS+ volume header found (Unknown error 4294967295) |
| 04:43.07 | veritanuda | That mean anything to anyone? |
| 04:45.18 | veritanuda | Tried the diskdev_cmds-208.11.tar.gz witht he approiate patches.. and when that checks the fs it flags it as clean.. |
| 04:45.37 | veritanuda | Kernel still won't mount it r/w though.. cause ti thinks it is dirty? |
| 04:45.44 | simonrvn | try the debian ones? they haven't been updated recently |
| 04:45.54 | veritanuda | I am using the debain ones.. |
| 04:46.10 | simonrvn | yeh. supposedly run the fsck and mount. |
| 04:46.17 | simonrvn | ok, sec |
| 04:47.47 | veritanuda | Am I gonna have to move to unstable and stuff to get this working? I mean I started with sarge and what not. but I was hoping to fiddle as least as posible because ultimatly this machine is not going to be in my possesion |
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| 04:48.42 | simonrvn | what exactly are you doing, and how, and why? |
| 04:49.13 | simonrvn | "i have this problem, please help me" isn't helpful to us enough. |
| 04:49.21 | veritanuda | Just trying to mount the HFS volume.. it is G3 powerbook. with Mac OS 9 on it . I was hoping to use Mac on linux.. |
| 04:49.28 | simonrvn | we aren't there in front of the thing |
| 04:50.04 | veritanuda | Well tell me what you need ot know and I wil give you all the info that is possible. You have ot understand I have been banging at this for hours now and it becomes a blur after a while ;) |
| 04:50.19 | simonrvn | ah ok. you don't mount it in linux anyway, otherwise MOL will bitch if you're trying to use it in linux as well |
| 04:50.34 | simonrvn | (in the docs, *grin*) |
| 04:50.42 | veritanuda | I realise that .. but I also need to transfer kernel images across to the partition.. |
| 04:50.59 | veritanuda | and or compy boot roms etc.. |
| 04:51.03 | veritanuda | copy. |
| 04:51.20 | simonrvn | set up an appletalk share on linux side, mount via the share mock os |
| 04:51.30 | simonrvn | on mock os side* |
| 04:51.53 | veritanuda | huh? What is mock? |
| 04:52.12 | simonrvn | my name for it, and others. |
| 04:53.01 | veritanuda | Ok so let me get this straight , set up the linux partion to be an appletalk share.. then reboot into Mac OS and it will magically recognise it and be able to read write to it? Hmmm |
| 04:53.10 | veritanuda | sounds a tad fanciful to me.. |
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| 04:55.25 | simonrvn | no, not even. boot MOL, have a share on linux side, mount in mac os, then you can transfer the kernel or whatever you need to do |
| 04:58.10 | veritanuda | How exactly does that work? Since when did making an apple share mean MAC OS could read write to an ext3 partition? I cannot get get MOL to boot atm. |
| 04:58.40 | veritanuda | No ROM and the tomeview.hqx link seems to be dead |
| 04:58.56 | simonrvn | so fix that :). the hfs+ utils don't work? i haven't used them in a while :D |
| 04:59.08 | simonrvn | i have a copy somewhere |
| 04:59.13 | veritanuda | I see.. Well youhave a spare copy of timeview.hqx? |
| 04:59.17 | simonrvn | sec |
| 04:59.19 | veritanuda | tomeview.hqx |
| 04:59.23 | veritanuda | thanks |
| 05:00.18 | veritanuda | It is a pity though.. I would have thought someone would have made the hfsplus utils work by now.. |
| 05:00.52 | veritanuda | I read a tatalising post somewhere saying someone had ported the Darwin ones to linux and they worked almost as good as on OS X |
| 05:01.02 | veritanuda | buggered if I can find them though. |
| 05:01.31 | simonrvn | ok, lemme get it |
| 05:01.40 | veritanuda | Thanks |
| 05:07.43 | simonrvn | http://simonraven.nuit.ca/macppc/files/TomeViewer_1.3.hqx |
| 05:07.58 | veritanuda | Ahh right ho. .lovely.. |
| 05:10.12 | veritanuda | Thanks for that.. not the ideal solution but better than nothing :) Cheers.. |
| 05:11.16 | Q-FUNK | :) |
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| 07:34.49 | veritanuda | *sighs and waves* guess this never ends ;) |
| 07:36.27 | veritanuda | Anyone a bit of a Mac on Linux bod here? Trying to boot off an Original Mac OS 9 CD and it appears not to recognise it. Model is a Powerbook G3 Wallstreet? |
| 07:37.31 | veritanuda | Just get the mac icon with a question mark in it when I do startmol --cdboot --newworld (given that --oldworld does not work at all?) |
| 07:41.05 | simonrvn | set the dev to the cdrom device, and put -boot on it |
| 07:41.23 | simonrvn | i think there's a -cd or -cdrom setting too |
| 07:41.23 | veritanuda | ahh okee |
| 07:43.42 | veritanuda | Hmm that made it not find any boot device now.. Floopy disk icon with a ? yes? |
| 07:45.00 | veritanuda | You know I am wondering if there is not something special about this MAC OS 9 CD cause I cannot mount it on my other laptop no matter what fs type I try and use.. Is that normal? |
| 07:45.26 | veritanuda | Yet I know it works because I used it to install Mac OS 9 on the powerbook in the first place. |
| 07:46.41 | simonrvn | mol should be able to boot from it. try no --newworld |
| 07:46.55 | veritanuda | ok |
| 07:48.54 | veritanuda | hmmm still floppy with ? Yet listing the CD Rom as being Read Only ----- BOOT .. |
| 07:50.25 | veritanuda | CD /dev/cdrom CD-ROM <read-only> ------ BOOT |
| 07:50.25 | veritanuda | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:52.05 | simonrvn | ok |
| 07:52.13 | simonrvn | what's your conf say? |
| 07:52.42 | veritanuda | blkdev: /dev/cdrom -cd ${cdboot} -boot |
| 07:53.17 | simonrvn | what's ${cdboot} mean? |
| 07:53.30 | veritanuda | umm no idea.. one sec... |
| 07:53.50 | simonrvn | should be in there, or some other molrc.* file |
| 07:54.05 | veritanuda | just there as the dfault debain config? |
| 07:54.14 | simonrvn | ok, sec |
| 07:55.40 | veritanuda | osx conf file has it too? |
| 07:57.02 | simonrvn | comment that out, and put /that/dev -cd -boot instead of ${cdboot}. i have no idea what it is, i don't have anything called that except in my dpkg-dist files, and i've used it successfully before |
| 07:57.23 | simonrvn | say, '/dev/cdrom -cd -boot' for instance |
| 07:57.27 | veritanuda | How odd.. |
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| 07:58.57 | veritanuda | hmm still no dice.. is this relevant? "Could not open driver 'drivers/blk.nw': No such file or directory" |
| 07:59.39 | simonrvn | comment anything irrelevant |
| 08:02.33 | veritanuda | hmm I am seeing this just before the elf loader.. |
| 08:02.36 | veritanuda | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:02.36 | veritanuda | >> Boot Disk: /pci/pci-bridge/mol-blk@0/disk@1:9 [HFS] |
| 08:02.36 | veritanuda | >> Loading 'System Folder:Mac OS ROM' from 'Mac OS 9.2.1' |
| 08:03.15 | veritanuda | Now why is it saying the boot disk is the HFS partition when that has not been selected? |
| 08:05.14 | simonrvn | m/e ponders |
| 08:05.39 | veritanuda | ;) We should rename this channel Deep Thought.. :P |
| 08:06.15 | simonrvn | heh |
| 08:06.39 | veritanuda | *ponders too* Well removing the entry does not seem to change a thing nor does setting the native partition as boot.. which to be honest would be fantastic if it did.. |
| 08:06.50 | simonrvn | oh, try without -cd |
| 08:06.56 | simonrvn | but leave -boot there |
| 08:07.07 | veritanuda | Only reason I am trying to boot off the CD is cause mol said you should if you have macos > 9.x |
| 08:07.09 | simonrvn | well, try it :) |
| 08:07.21 | simonrvn | yeh, it should |
| 08:07.42 | simonrvn | i think i booted 8.1 once, but oldworld style IIRC. (in the docs) |
| 08:08.35 | veritanuda | Well that was my first option which is why needed the tomeview thing.. Only then I realise that it would proly fail on 9.2.1 |
| 08:08.48 | veritanuda | Hence now I looking to get the rom file from the CD |
| 08:09.10 | veritanuda | with -cd , no joy.. same ? icon.. |
| 08:09.42 | simonrvn | no, without -cd |
| 08:09.52 | veritanuda | yes without -cd |
| 08:10.10 | veritanuda | sorry. missed the out. :P |
| 08:10.17 | simonrvn | :) |
| 08:13.47 | veritanuda | Hmmm you know this is peculiar.. before I started this whole chabang.. I am sure I was getting the mac computer icon with a ? instead of this floppy one.. wonder why that changed? |
| 08:14.16 | simonrvn | can't find a boot device |
| 08:14.30 | veritanuda | And the one with the mac computer and ? |
| 08:15.05 | simonrvn | same iirc |
| 08:15.23 | veritanuda | Oh... how helpful.. ;) |
| 08:16.08 | simonrvn | mac os isn't very forthcoming wtih error messages |
| 08:16.39 | veritanuda | So I noticed... freaked me out when I had to boot linux with no console :P |
| 08:16.54 | veritanuda | I hate no knowing what is going on.. |
| 08:17.16 | simonrvn | yeh, i like *nix for that. the errors msgs are informative |
| 08:17.36 | simonrvn | and it's easily looked up if unclear |
| 08:17.53 | veritanuda | Well most of the time.. and if the source is well documented you can understand anything. |
| 08:18.37 | simonrvn | eventually ;). been using mock os anything for a while, and i still don't know what some stuff is |
| 08:18.42 | veritanuda | PPC is a new diversion for me.. I am only supposed to be putting Mac OS 9 on the laptop.. but thought I would sneak in Linux and try and get another convert if I can. |
| 08:19.03 | veritanuda | little did I know huh.. :P |
| 08:19.28 | simonrvn | what lappy is this? |
| 08:19.51 | veritanuda | A powerbook G3 Wallstreet.. or so the /proc/cpuinfo tells me :) |
| 08:20.09 | veritanuda | Wouldn't have had a clue otherwise.. |
| 08:20.33 | simonrvn | oh, go see... |
| 08:21.43 | simonrvn | www.apple-history.com and www.lowendmac.com for starters |
| 08:23.40 | veritanuda | hmmm they linux related? |
| 08:23.52 | veritanuda | Not looking to buy one of these ;) |
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| 08:25.01 | simonrvn | not directly, more like hardware-get-to-know-it a bit, www.netbsd.org/Ports/macppc/ and simonraven.nuit.ca/macppc/ for linux and *nix |
| 08:26.12 | veritanuda | uh huh.. Well not sure you are gonna sell me on the mac as yet.. :P Though I did once put linux onto an old performa.. it ran but for some reason sometimes the machine would not switch on. |
| 08:26.38 | veritanuda | too flakey for my patiences and I ditched it in favour of something a bit more descriptive |
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| 08:49.47 | pa | hello! |
| 08:50.12 | pa | excuseme, but why i was able to write on my hfs filesystem, but now i get always errors like "Read only file system" even if i can see the partition mounted in "rw"? |
| 08:51.20 | pa | for example |
| 08:51.23 | pa | /dev/hda6 on /local type hfsplus (rw,uid=0,gid=0) |
| 08:51.24 | pa | fornost:/# touch /local/public/a |
| 08:51.24 | pa | touch: cannot touch `/local/public/a': Read-only file system |
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| 09:15.25 | veritanuda | Ok head up people :) |
| 09:16.04 | veritanuda | Simon.. Solved it.. and it is pretty important someone take note of this cause it is distribution related.. Will have to email the contact when I am done. |
| 09:16.38 | veritanuda | It appears that the blk.nw message is relavent.. as the mol-drivers-macos package is NOT installed by default.. |
| 09:16.54 | veritanuda | Moreover it isn't even sitting in the stable/testing repositories.. |
| 09:17.16 | veritanuda | it is in the contrib pool I belive.. |
| 09:17.49 | veritanuda | Which is not always inserted by default into the source.list.. |
| 09:18.11 | veritanuda | Anywyas.. installed that deb.. and now I can boot stright into Mac OS 9 off the hd.. :) |
| 09:18.29 | veritanuda | very handy.. Thanks for your help Simon.. appreciate your patience.. |
| 09:19.14 | veritanuda | for the record the macos drivers package I found under /debian/pool/contrib/m/mol-drivers-macos/ on one of the mirrors.. |
| 09:19.38 | veritanuda | something like that ought to be in the Debian.README file methinks.. |
| 09:19.51 | veritanuda | ok Ciao peeps.. gotta get back to work.. :P |
| 09:24.49 | simonrvn | duh... i forgot to ask him/her =) |
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| 09:48.55 | Q-FUNK | Bor_Ed: isn't the warning about not selling to companies rather suspicious? http://www.huuto.net/fi/showitem.php3?itemid=20309982 |
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| 11:51.23 | Bor_Ed | Q-FUNK: prolly NDA or 'purkkapatentti' |
| 12:03.07 | Bor_Ed | hmm, sid mimetypes package is on AWOL ? |
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| 15:30.30 | demon | hey, anyone know why the keyspan USB-serial device driver isn't in debian's kernels, but it's still in the mainline kernel? |
| 15:30.46 | demon | I have a keyspan, and without the driver it's rather difficult to use |
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| 15:50.13 | _rene_ | demon: non-free firmware |
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| 16:54.15 | mirak | h |
| 16:54.16 | mirak | hi |
| 16:54.40 | DelTree | \_o< ~ Coin ~ >o_/ |
| 16:57.58 | Bor_Ed | simonrvn: isn't disktools8+systemdisk.img on yer disk dd'able ? |
| 16:58.14 | simonrvn | should be |
| 16:58.20 | simonrvn | lemme see |
| 16:58.38 | Bor_Ed | friend got g3/233 desktop and has some issues with mockos 8 cd I sent (m68k bootable :) |
| 17:00.17 | simonrvn | yup |
| 17:00.28 | simonrvn | right size |
| 17:00.46 | simonrvn | ppc.. :) |
| 17:00.54 | Bor_Ed | ppc :D |
| 17:01.05 | Bor_Ed | I've converted him from x86 finally :P |
| 17:01.12 | simonrvn | hehe. oooh, nice |
| 17:02.08 | simonrvn | i'm going to try to find a box that grokes ide, but isn't an x86... i'm tired of this bios crap.... the thing poops all over the place just because the battery is dead... |
| 17:02.10 | Bor_Ed | he got the box with os 9.2.2 installed, minimum install and no media shipped with the buggr |
| 17:02.13 | simonrvn | groks* |
| 17:02.19 | simonrvn | oh |
| 17:02.27 | Bor_Ed | try ODW from genesi ? :) |
| 17:02.53 | simonrvn | ...should i mention it has to be cheap/free? :) |
| 17:03.16 | Bor_Ed | aww buggr... get an amd k6-2 box then :P |
| 17:03.36 | simonrvn | no, i'm sick of x86 |
| 17:03.37 | Bor_Ed | aww, isn't x86... hmm, mips64 sbcs tend to be at decent prices on www.linuxdevices.com |
| 17:04.02 | Bor_Ed | they are mostly mini-itx form factor and run at around 400 MHz |
| 17:04.09 | simonrvn | i'll see what i can find in the garbage |
| 17:04.15 | simonrvn | :) |
| 17:04.54 | Bor_Ed | LOL |
| 17:05.06 | simonrvn | :) |
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| 17:07.03 | Bor_Ed | simonrvn: yer floppy image is ejected during boot :I |
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| 17:08.34 | simonrvn | :| |
| 17:08.59 | Bor_Ed | buggr just spits every floppy out :o |
| 17:09.03 | simonrvn | ok, lemme see what i can do |
| 17:09.13 | Bor_Ed | danke |
| 17:09.36 | Bor_Ed | bootable floppy with ppc init which can be used to install 8.0 from cd... not much asked, right ? :) |
| 17:13.35 | Bor_Ed | he has some other prob with the floppy, seems to work in here at least :o |
| 17:14.17 | Bor_Ed | ccureau fscker worked this time... |
| 17:16.40 | mirak | hi |
| 17:16.53 | Bor_Ed | howdee |
| 17:16.54 | mirak | I am searching a radeon 7000 mac rom |
| 17:17.03 | Bor_Ed | good luck :) |
| 17:17.06 | mirak | :) |
| 17:17.10 | mirak | the version 119 |
| 17:17.12 | mirak | if possible |
| 17:17.22 | mirak | I have found one, but it's a reduced rom |
| 17:17.36 | mirak | now I can boot the mac |
| 17:17.48 | mirak | but the display doesn't show on the monitor |
| 17:17.52 | mirak | it doesn't turn on |
| 17:18.02 | mirak | however with VNC I can see the desktop perfectly |
| 17:18.40 | simonrvn | oh, it worked this time? feh |
| 17:18.52 | Bor_Ed | faulty floppies prolly |
| 17:19.05 | mirak | Bor_Ed: you think ? |
| 17:19.10 | mirak | ho |
| 17:19.12 | mirak | sorry :) |
| 17:19.14 | simonrvn | ok |
| 17:19.24 | Bor_Ed | mirak: another story :) |
| 17:32.07 | simonrvn | wtf, wth is this invalid module format for mol driver? |
| 17:32.17 | simonrvn | insmod /lib/modules/2.6.12-pylon/misc/mol.ko |
| 17:32.17 | simonrvn | FATAL: Error inserting mol (/lib/modules/2.6.12-pylon/misc/mol.ko): Invalid module format |
| 17:32.26 | Bor_Ed | ccureau MacOS install reports this program cannot run on your computer |
| 17:32.30 | Bor_Ed | ^^ disk utility :o |
| 17:33.42 | simonrvn | blah |
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| 17:34.58 | simonrvn | disk utility from mock os x? |
| 17:35.06 | Bor_Ed | nope, from 8.0 install cd |
| 17:35.39 | simonrvn | *blink* |
| 17:40.51 | simonrvn | i guess those modules don't like gcc 4 |
| 17:41.41 | simonrvn | could be the floppy's os doing that, or could be the installer won't run on it, and the box needs 8.1? |
| 17:42.09 | Bor_Ed | 7.0.x is lowest supported |
| 17:42.19 | Bor_Ed | and I've installed to this box from same buggr cd |
| 17:43.15 | simonrvn | *sigh* |
| 17:43.42 | Bor_Ed | ccureau The Mac OS 8 Installer script does not recognize this computer. Please use the original disks that came with this computer. |
| 17:43.56 | Bor_Ed | hrm... is there that much of a dif with rev a and b boxen ? |
| 17:44.15 | simonrvn | probably, os wise |
| 17:44.26 | Bor_Ed | geebus |
| 17:44.48 | Bor_Ed | you wouldn't happen to have 9.1 generic cd around ? gnutellanet doesn't really have any sources for that |
| 17:45.59 | simonrvn | yeh, but it's starting to puke on install.. |
| 17:46.09 | Bor_Ed | mmkay |
| 17:46.37 | Bor_Ed | I don't get it why the cd keeps giving headache for a friend :o |
| 17:47.45 | simonrvn | what box is this? |
| 17:48.01 | Bor_Ed | beige g3/233 |
| 17:49.29 | simonrvn | and you're booting off it, right? |
| 17:50.06 | Bor_Ed | he boots off from the floppy from yer site since the cd doesn't boot, it's fat binary cd with m68k loader |
| 17:50.50 | simonrvn | that's probably why.. |
| 17:51.13 | Bor_Ed | it worked for me (tm) |
| 17:53.21 | simonrvn | brain not working, need food |
| 17:53.39 | Bor_Ed | brain working, need beer |
| 17:54.51 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 17:55.28 | Bor_Ed | hey, could the 8.0 disktools be too old... the buggr requires os 8.0 after all |
| 18:01.07 | simonrvn | yeh, possible |
| 18:01.26 | Bor_Ed | you know if there's more recent classic os one ? |
| 18:02.55 | Bor_Ed | can you unstuffit http://download.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/English-North_American/Macintosh/System/Mac_OS_8.1_Update/Disk_Tools_PPC.img.bin pretty please ? :) |
| 18:04.46 | simonrvn | you can run unbin on it |
| 18:04.55 | Bor_Ed | eh ? |
| 18:05.12 | Bor_Ed | it'll dd after that and how I can do the unbin ? |
| 18:05.26 | simonrvn | from netatalk |
| 18:05.51 | simonrvn | dlocate $(which unbin) |
| 18:05.51 | simonrvn | netatalk: /usr/bin/unbin |
| 18:05.59 | Bor_Ed | mmkay, installing |
| 18:06.37 | simonrvn | mm, lemme go get a fucking cmos battery... |
| 18:06.50 | Bor_Ed | lol |
| 18:07.00 | Bor_Ed | solder up 3.6V nimh package to its palce ? |
| 18:07.35 | simonrvn | i don't have anything like that |
| 18:08.47 | simonrvn | fuck |
| 18:09.29 | Bor_Ed | ari@g3:~$ unbin Disk_Tools_PPC.img.bin |
| 18:09.29 | Bor_Ed | This should never happen, dude! length 8192, fork length == 1220058 |
| 18:09.29 | Bor_Ed | Writing the appledouble file:: Bad address |
| 18:09.29 | Bor_Ed | Disk_Tools_PPC.img.bin: Probable write error |
| 18:09.30 | Bor_Ed | whaa ?? |
| 18:11.51 | Bor_Ed | requires disk copy 6.1 or newer... apparentlyunbin isn't compatible |
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| 18:38.27 | Bor_Ed | friend is giving a shot with woody floppy install |
| 19:13.53 | simonrvn | crap. sec |
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| 19:20.48 | Bor_Ed | Cannot find codec matching selected -vo and video format 0x30355649. hmm... wmv9 ? |
| 19:25.02 | demon | IV30 |
| 19:25.04 | demon | indeo? |
| 19:25.13 | demon | er, IV50, rather |
| 19:25.42 | demon | indeo 5 |
| 19:25.44 | Bor_Ed | well, it was nothing too interesting anyway |
| 19:25.54 | demon | I don't think there's an open codec for taht one |
| 19:26.37 | Bor_Ed | hmm, helix might have... oh well |
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| 19:36.48 | simonrvn | the sec is a bit lon,g but we're almost there ;) |
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| 19:38.23 | simonrvn | i'm doing some re-organising |
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| 19:46.20 | simonrvn | Bor_Ed: ok, go see in /src/macos/ there's some goodies |
| 19:46.33 | Bor_Ed | mmmm |
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| 19:47.23 | Bor_Ed | disktools8 will work ? |
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| 20:21.24 | simonrvn | the one with caps |
| 20:24.11 | simonrvn | i GTG |
| 20:24.17 | simonrvn | food, and other stuff |
| 20:25.27 | Bor_Ed | told him to trythat |
| 20:26.47 | simonrvn | ok |
| 20:59.24 | simonrvn | brb, from another box |
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