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| 07:43.03 | veritanuda | Morning all.. How's it hanging? |
| 07:43.35 | kimo_sabe | veritanuda: to the right, as usual |
| 07:43.51 | SimonRaven | to the left |
| 07:44.21 | veritanuda | Hehe.. well it is the weekend so hope things straighten up.. ;) |
| 07:44.57 | veritanuda | Got a few annoyances with this powerbook still.. maybe someone can tell me if I am missing the bleeding obvious? |
| 07:45.45 | kimo_sabe | veritanuda: I should see the SO tomarrow :) |
| 07:46.02 | kimo_sabe | veritanuda: anyway, what sort of annoyances? |
| 07:46.32 | veritanuda | Can't seem to get the mouse button emulation to actually work. enabled it by sysctl key codes check out to mappable keys but seems no amount of pressing them brings anything up in gnome or kde. Am I being dense about this? |
| 07:47.08 | SimonRaven | you need to enable it... |
| 07:47.15 | veritanuda | Done that.. |
| 07:47.21 | SimonRaven | @tell veritanuda -about 3 buttons |
| 07:47.22 | kimo_sabe | or use mouseemu... |
| 07:47.31 | veritanuda | cat /proc/sys/dev/mac_hid/mouse_button_emulation |
| 07:47.31 | veritanuda | 1 |
| 07:47.35 | veritanuda | Mouseemu ? |
| 07:47.39 | SimonRaven | ok |
| 07:47.55 | SimonRaven | what numbers did you put in, and where did you get them from? |
| 07:48.07 | veritanuda | 97 100, they are the default.. |
| 07:48.21 | veritanuda | but I tried mapping them to F11 and F12 as well.. no joy |
| 07:49.22 | SimonRaven | should work |
| 07:49.53 | veritanuda | Hang oin I am getting a prompt from someone who sounds much more knowlegable than me. Keyboard Chair interface? |
| 07:50.29 | SimonRaven | @kci |
| 07:54.24 | veritanuda | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:55.26 | SimonRaven | uh... |
| 07:55.31 | SimonRaven | @pebkac |
| 07:55.31 | ravenbird | extra, extra, read all about it, pebkac is Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair, or PEBCAK. PEBMAC |
| 07:55.52 | veritanuda | Oh give me abreak guys.. |
| 07:56.15 | veritanuda | I been numbing at this for hours now and now you feel like funnies.. |
| 07:56.41 | kimo_sabe | mouseemu looks like more fun anyway, it does mouse wheel emulation |
| 07:56.51 | veritanuda | Done everything in the book.. if you think you cannot help beyond the book then why bother huh? |
| 07:57.11 | veritanuda | mouseemu.. hmmm? |
| 07:57.57 | kimo_sabe | hmm, seems like it may break the pbbuttonsd hot keys though |
| 07:57.59 | SimonRaven | that's what kci is. ... just thought i'd tell you... |
| 07:58.13 | veritanuda | Oh crap it does? |
| 07:58.54 | veritanuda | Thanks Simon.. It is the assumption that no one bothers looking that irks me. |
| 08:01.21 | veritanuda | Hmmm looks like it isnot garanteed to screw it up though kimo.. so worth a try.. |
| 08:02.58 | kimo_sabe | the wheel emulation is kinda twitchy too |
| 08:03.25 | kimo_sabe | and the init script chokes if uinput is compiled in |
| 08:04.23 | veritanuda | I see.. well this is out of the box far as I know.. so have faith in debian testing I guess ;) |
| 08:07.20 | veritanuda | seems to work like a charm kimo.. :) |
| 08:07.40 | veritanuda | Cheers there :) |
| 08:10.01 | veritanuda | Just one other annoyance though it is a MacOS one, cropped up after I got mol working, everytime you shut down MacOS either from the emulator or for real complains about extension <BLANK> is not in the extensions folder please move it there if you want to run it. now be nice.. i only started using MacOs afew days ago ;) |
| 08:18.02 | veritanuda | opps duty calls.. bbl.. |
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| 10:36.59 | veritanuda | Back again peeps.. Is there something funky I should know about the framebuffer on a G3, cause I cannot seem to set it to the same mode X is using? |
| 10:40.09 | veritanuda | used all the standard tools.. modetest modeline2fb etc... all seem to be that little bit out? |
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| 11:06.48 | veritanuda | I think this is a bug with atyfb innit.. .hmmm |
| 11:06.50 | veritanuda | later =; |
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| 11:35.31 | musasabi | I am trying to install Debian on a NuBus machine (performa 6320) - I think I have to use an installer from http://nubus-pmac.sourceforge.net/ but how do I install a bootloader without Mac OS? |
| 11:40.03 | musasabi | That is the hardrive was wiped clean before I got the machine and all documentation seems to start from "how to install a bootloader in Mac OS". |
| 11:40.20 | musasabi | Or would just making an installer image to CDROM be enough? |
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| 11:48.21 | veritanuda | ok this maybe a really dumb question but what exactly happened to linuxppc.org? The landing page gets redirected to www.wit.com ? |
| 11:51.05 | pahartik | veritanuda: development stopped some years ago, or something |
| 11:55.56 | pahartik | veritanuda: but what did you do to "mouse_button_emulation"? |
| 12:01.31 | karim_ | hi |
| 12:01.54 | karim_ | I am trying to get the content of dmg files isos of the Panther CD |
| 12:02.06 | karim_ | I managed to convert to iso and mount them with HFS |
| 12:02.13 | karim_ | I am not sure about the fas in fact |
| 12:02.16 | karim_ | fs |
| 12:02.18 | karim_ | fs type |
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| 12:17.23 | veritanuda | pahartik: I used mouseemu as suggested by someone else.. seems to work great. bbl |
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| 13:20.05 | paxx | paxxI have installed debian ppc on a mac mini and I'm having problem to type \ och @. How can I solve this? I'm using a pc-keyboard. |
| 13:24.44 | veritanuda | Hmm anyone have any idea why mol jumps back into a 640x480 window when it starts off in a 1024x768 one? This is using x-video as I gave up in trying to tweak the frame buffer I think it is broken somehow. |
| 13:29.12 | demon | because macos has its own idea of the graphics mode it should be in, regardless of the hint provided by mol |
| 13:29.40 | demon | you have to use the monitors (or monitors and sound) control panel and set the resolution you want |
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| 14:17.26 | Q-FUNK | paxx: come again? |
| 14:17.33 | Q-FUNK | paxx: typing the what?? |
| 14:18.19 | paxx | if I press @ I don't get a @ |
| 14:18.39 | Q-FUNK | because you selected the wrong keymap, probably |
| 14:18.55 | paxx | How do I change |
| 14:19.12 | Q-FUNK | paxx: are we talking about the X keymap or the console keymap? |
| 14:19.18 | pahartik | Q-FUNK: "backslash" and "at" characters |
| 14:19.58 | paxx | both. I'm using mac os x right now |
| 14:20.19 | Q-FUNK | paxx: ok, so the idea is to select the mac-usb keymap |
| 14:21.04 | paxx | ok... how do I select that |
| 14:21.14 | pahartik | paxx: maybe you are just missing "Mode_switch" key |
| 14:21.44 | paxx | "Mode_switch" key?? |
| 14:22.23 | pahartik | paxx: key to act as <AltGr> |
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| 14:23.06 | paxx | I used the key labeled a <AltGr> |
| 14:23.42 | pahartik | paxx: use "xev" to see what "keycode" that gives? |
| 14:24.18 | paxx | I'm using macos x right now |
| 14:25.23 | pahartik | paxx: on X11 server provided by MacOS X, "xev" probably gives different "keycode"... |
| 14:26.15 | karim_ | hi |
| 14:26.21 | karim_ | I have a problem setting up yaboot |
| 14:26.22 | paxx | I shall try these things after reboot |
| 14:26.28 | karim_ | since I changed the video card |
| 14:26.56 | karim_ | I used a gentoo live cd to change |
| 14:27.08 | karim_ | but I am not sure for the device path |
| 14:29.15 | pahartik | paxx: for example on external ADB keyboard, i use "xmodmap -e 'keycode 113 = Mode_switch'"... just use "xev" to figure out which keycode you want to bind to that... |
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| 19:52.30 | mirak | mmm |
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| 19:52.46 | mirak | when the kernel boots, it immediately says it's out of sync |
| 19:52.57 | mirak | but when X starts, it's fine |
| 19:53.07 | mirak | so I don't see the boot sequence, that's weird |
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| 19:59.49 | pahartik | mirak: kernel says something is "out of sync"? |
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| 20:40.51 | DsOft23 | hiya |
| 20:41.04 | DsOft23 | im trying to configure my ibook on debian |
| 20:41.16 | DsOft23 | actually xserver-xfree86 |
| 20:41.34 | DsOft23 | its asking my my keyboard type, what should i type there? |
| 20:43.26 | SimonRaven | how should we know, you haven't said what kind... |
| 20:44.22 | mgzh | I have the following configured for my PowerBook G4, from the "InputDevice" section in XF86Config: Option "XkbModel" macintosh" what else ;-) |
| 20:45.02 | DsOft23 | i have a ibook 12" G4 |
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| 20:45.20 | mgzh | ...then you don't have a microsoft keyboard inside ;-) |
| 20:45.30 | SimonRaven | XkbLayout i was thinking, not model |
| 20:46.00 | DsOft23 | [mgzh] then, "macintosh" ? |
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| 20:46.19 | SimonRaven | it's a mac.. heh |
| 20:46.32 | mgzh | hehe |
| 20:46.37 | DsOft23 | yeah, but, maybe XKBmodel isnt that word exactly |
| 20:47.37 | DsOft23 | eh, and mouse? ... |
| 20:47.42 | DsOft23 | in /dev/input/mice? |
| 20:47.54 | SimonRaven | yes. imps2 |
| 20:48.20 | mirak | pahartik: the monitor says he is out of sync |
| 20:48.29 | mirak | I will try resetting pram |
| 20:48.52 | DsOft23 | and, 1024x768 @ 60Hz (like other LCDs)? |
| 20:49.14 | SimonRaven | *shurg* |
| 20:49.14 | DsOft23 | sorry, its my first time configuring that machine |
| 20:49.21 | SimonRaven | shrug even |
| 20:49.30 | mirak | what's a shrug ? |
| 20:49.32 | SimonRaven | try it |
| 20:49.32 | mirak | :) |
| 20:49.47 | DsOft23 | im asking about Hz, not about resoultion |
| 20:50.14 | SimonRaven | when you lift your shoulders in a "i don't know" way |
| 20:50.32 | SimonRaven | like up, and immediately drop them.... uh |
| 20:51.14 | SimonRaven | sec |
| 20:53.45 | mirak | ok |
| 20:54.10 | mirak | I don't even know the term in french |
| 20:54.13 | mirak | maybe there is none |
| 20:54.31 | SimonRaven | yes there is i just don't remember now |
| 20:54.40 | mirak | ah |
| 20:54.41 | mirak | :) |
| 20:55.07 | SimonRaven | hausser les epaules |
| 20:55.18 | mirak | hem, do you see a reason why the text display would put the monitor out of sync when kernel loads |
| 20:55.28 | mirak | SimonRaven: yes, but that's two words :) |
| 20:55.47 | mirak | up the shoulders |
| 20:56.31 | SimonRaven | yeh. the syncs for mac os and linux are slightly different. when i used to dual boot, i'd have to re-adjust the monitor |
| 20:56.59 | mirak | someone said it was an option to give to the kernel |
| 20:57.08 | mirak | I will try reseting pram per see |
| 20:57.18 | SimonRaven | well, i use the video= stuff |
| 20:57.24 | mirak | mmm |
| 20:57.29 | SimonRaven | on this one it's set to atyfb |
| 20:57.39 | SimonRaven | the other it's controlfb |
| 20:57.42 | mirak | I have noticed that OS X always modify the boot sync |
| 20:57.59 | mirak | even if we don't say to do it |
| 20:58.07 | mirak | he does it though |
| 20:58.09 | SimonRaven | yeh, thy've programmed it to do stuff at boot to OF |
| 20:58.28 | mirak | I will see if he manage to fix things |
| 20:58.52 | mirak | hem what option do you use for vga ? |
| 20:59.01 | mirak | her video |
| 20:59.14 | SimonRaven | just what i mentioned |
| 20:59.20 | mirak | stuff |
| 20:59.27 | mirak | hem that's a driver |
| 20:59.31 | mirak | like aty |
| 20:59.37 | mirak | rage |
| 20:59.38 | SimonRaven | append="video:atyfb" |
| 20:59.43 | mirak | ok |
| 20:59.44 | mirak | thanks |
| 20:59.58 | SimonRaven | e.g. |
| 21:00.05 | mirak | e g ? |
| 21:00.11 | SimonRaven | yours probably r128fb |
| 21:00.16 | SimonRaven | r something |
| 21:00.41 | mirak | no I have put a radeon in my G4 |
| 21:00.45 | mirak | R8500le |
| 21:00.48 | mirak | I flashed it |
| 21:01.02 | mirak | I tried at first with a 7000 I bought 30 euro but it didn't worked |
| 21:01.11 | SimonRaven | radeonfb |
| 21:01.15 | mirak | so I gave it back to the shop |
| 21:04.20 | mirak | I don't think this G4 350mhz deserve a radeon |
| 21:04.35 | mirak | but since I manage to make work TV out on OS X, I am happy |
| 21:04.41 | mirak | I want to do a divx box with it |
| 21:04.56 | mirak | if I can on linux that's even better |
| 21:05.21 | mirak | I am in contact with a guy that might sell me is G4 450mhz cpu for 30euros |
| 21:05.33 | mirak | do you think it's worth ? |
| 21:06.06 | mirak | SimonRaven: I am hoping it could read mpeg2 in software mode |
| 21:06.26 | SimonRaven | g4 is a nice proc, no matter what the speed |
| 21:06.59 | mirak | at compiling the G3 400 is equal for compiling |
| 21:07.14 | mirak | I tyed to install gentoo on both |
| 21:07.25 | SimonRaven | yeh, but g4 is nice for cpu intensive stuff |
| 21:07.31 | mirak | no matter what they say, gentoo is a pain to install |
| 21:07.46 | mirak | I like to cross my fingers during install then tweak things |
| 21:07.55 | mirak | SimonRaven: I will check that |
| 21:07.55 | SimonRaven | like filters in gimp, maths of vaious sorts, sound / music editing... |
| 21:08.15 | mirak | do you think altivec is enabled in debian binaries , |
| 21:08.16 | mirak | ? |
| 21:08.39 | mirak | I mean does the binaries detect if there is altivec ? |
| 21:09.49 | SimonRaven | no they're generic ppc compiled, but the kernel is, and you can build and get stuff with it enabled |
| 21:11.18 | mirak | ah |
| 21:11.25 | mirak | that's why I installed gentoo in fact |
| 21:11.48 | mirak | but it's not ready yet |
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| 22:00.37 | mgzh | Hi chaps, yesterday I upgraded my lovely PowerBook G4 from testing to stable (which is btw a downgrade) but anyway, since then gv can't find gs to display my postscript and pdf docs. I found out following - gs points to nirvana: |
| 22:00.39 | mgzh | root@bernina# ls -l /usr/bin/gs |
| 22:00.39 | mgzh | lrwxr-xr-x 1 root root 20 May 21 2004 /usr/bin/gs -> /etc/alternatives/gs |
| 22:00.39 | mgzh | root@bernina# ls -l /etc/alternatives/gs |
| 22:00.39 | mgzh | lrwxr-xr-x 1 root root 15 May 20 2004 /etc/alternatives/gs -> /usr/bin/gs-gnu |
| 22:00.40 | mgzh | root@bernina# ls -l /usr/bin/gs-gnu |
| 22:00.42 | mgzh | ls: /usr/bin/gs-gnu: No such file or directory |
| 22:01.43 | mgzh | Do you guys think that this is an inconsistency because my system was TESTING (SID) earlier or should I open a bug report (BTS)? |
| 22:02.07 | mgzh | btw, I fixed the problem for me on my box... |
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| 22:15.26 | pahartik | mgzh: "update-alternatives --config gs" |
| 22:20.55 | SimonRaven | testing isn't sid |
| 22:21.14 | SimonRaven | sid is unstable. and unstable isn't an upgrade ;) |
| 22:21.32 | _rene_ | and unsupported |
| 22:21.36 | _rene_ | and it works in plain sid |
| 22:21.45 | _rene_ | and I already told you in #debian.de ;) |
| 22:22.35 | _rene_ | -> no sense to file a bug IMHO. *if* it is not working with plain sarge, maybe... |
| 22:23.18 | SimonRaven | heh :) |
| 22:24.30 | mgzh | SimonRaven: sorry I mean sid (I upgraded from unstable/sid to stable/sarge) |
| 22:25.04 | _rene_ | mgzh: and that's a unsupported downgrade |
| 22:25.09 | _rene_ | I already told you |
| 22:25.30 | _rene_ | maintainer scripts only have to deal with upgrades in changing alternative links etc |
| 22:25.34 | mgzh | probably, I don't need support, I already fixed the problem with the symlink |
| 22:25.44 | _rene_ | not to mention downgrade supporting is not possible anyhow |
| 22:26.09 | _rene_ | mgzh: then don't complain anymore after I told you the solution |
| 22:26.56 | mgzh | Thanks for your hints in the german channel rene, but you're not package maintainer of the related ps package |
| 22:27.15 | _rene_ | neither is anyone here |
| 22:27.29 | mgzh | but others with the same problem probably... |
| 22:27.45 | _rene_ | mgzh: no. as said, plain sid works. plain sarge too |
| 22:27.56 | _rene_ | I had plain sarge installed before I upgraded to sid |
| 22:28.07 | _rene_ | testing: no idea currently.. |
| 22:29.05 | _rene_ | you evidently have no clue what package updates do in the background except unpacking files. thes change tha alternatives using a script. The alternative links are *not* in the package. |
| 22:29.18 | _rene_ | and this script only is called on new installations, upgrades, etc |
| 22:29.49 | mgzh | ok then it's not a package related problem, your're right |
| 22:30.51 | mgzh | hmm, which package is then responsible for updating such symlinks? |
| 22:31.03 | _rene_ | gs-gpl / gs-eps itself |
| 22:31.24 | _rene_ | and as said, as it works in plain sarge and plain sid there's no sense to file a bug |
| 22:31.45 | _rene_ | so just forget it, you fixed it already |
| 22:32.30 | mgzh | It's not a matter of if I fixed my problem, I wan't to understand why these symlink was not up to date |
| 22:32.59 | _rene_ | because it probably was updated by a package update |
| 22:33.06 | _rene_ | but it wasn't because you did a downgrade |
| 22:33.12 | _rene_ | in which case it is not |
| 22:33.28 | mgzh | oic |
| 22:33.29 | mgzh | thanks |
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| 23:44.58 | SimonRaven | afaik it is supported... do you have anything pop out when you do grep -i append /etc/yaboot.conf? |
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